Was Jim Morrison Insane?
ath...@azstarnet.com
Brad Mayberry wrote:
>
> Where did Jim Morrison come up with some his lyrics? Was it insanity
> that drove him to transcribe? It does not take a sane man to write
> the words he wrote. That's why I'm wondering if in fact Jim was
> insane? Was he? Does anyone else want to comment on this?
>
> Brad
insane you ask???? try genius....i have heard alot of words in my life
time and his are by far the best...maybe you have just not seen a side
of life that he saw.... Hmm now i am starting to wonder... jim morrison
insane???? thats spooky man..he makes perfect sense to me....i am going
to go ponder this... i will get back with you later on it .... :o)
Joshua Kamm
>Brad Mayberry wrote:
>>
>> Where did Jim Morrison come up with some his lyrics? Was it insanity
>> that drove him to transcribe? It does not take a sane man to write
>> the words he wrote. That's why I'm wondering if in fact Jim was
>> insane? Was he? Does anyone else want to comment on this?
>>
>> Brad
>insane you ask???? try genius....i have heard alot of words in my life
>time and his are by far the best...
Maybe you should expand your reading scope a little bit. "By far the
best?" What about Ginsberg, or Yates, or, my personal favorite, Dylan
Thomas?
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Joe Rossi
In article <34CD0B...@azstarnet.com>, <ath...@azstarnet.com> wrote:
>Brad Mayberry wrote:
>>
>> that drove him to transcribe? It does not take a sane man to write
Try high I.Q. mixed w/ lysergic acid.
>> the words he wrote. That's why I'm wondering if in fact Jim was
>> insane? Was he? Does anyone else want to comment on this?
>>
>> Brad
>insane you ask???? try genius....i have heard alot of words in my life
>time and his are by far the best...maybe you have just not seen a side
>of life that he saw.... Hmm now i am starting to wonder... jim morrison
>insane???? thats spooky man..he makes perfect sense to me....i am going
>to go ponder this... i will get back with you later on it .... :o)
sanity is relative.
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Gambetta
try reading up on Nietzsche!! Jim's favorite i believe!!
DREAMERCJ1
insane??!!!!
-perhaps-but pure is more sutiable-
jim was a poet-pure and simple-concrete in belief and passionate about life
Jacknife
On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:04:59 GMT, Br...@comsteck.com (Brad Mayberry)
wrote:
Where did Jim Morrison come up with some his lyrics? Was it insanity
that drove him to transcribe? It does not take a sane man to write
the words he wrote. That's why I'm wondering if in fact Jim was
insane? Was he? Does anyone else want to comment on this?
Brad
Read some poetry by Rimbaud. Morrison loved him. You're gonna be
blown away at how heavily Morrison borrowed from him.... except most
of Morrison's meanings, in the rare times there were any, were very
obtuse, drenched in psychedelic haze. But the style is definitely
Rimbaud, through and through.
Clear and Present Dylan
Jim was a very calculating and theatrical performer.
Before Miami that is.
Dylan
themissinglink
Clear and Present Dylan wrote:
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> Jim was a very calculating and theatrical performer.
That's very true....
Pam Rezin
ABSOLUTELY!!!!! Most geniesis are and thats the creative beauty of Jim
Morrison.
Thats also why we all love him so much. He was the the philosopher of
our time. He did so much for our awareness. He was born at the wrong
time and thrown to much into the public eye of a world that didn't
understand and gave theories about him because he didn't fit into the
typical mold of their society. They were ignorant to change of any kind
in those days, and public voicing of your views went againts the grain.
Today he would be totally sane.
There was no way Jim could have migrated into that world.
I just wish Jim could have lived longer and found a way to work his view
point within his world. As brilliant as he was alcohol got in his was
of sorting his destiny and also their were really no role models he
could look bac upon to see where he was heading.
If only he had some kind of grip on his life we would have our Jim
Morrison today.
He definetly left his mark in our world, if not for him having the
courage he had others would probably only think what they feel. Jim was
a leader in all aspects
for speaking what other people thought and made them aware that they
were not alone in their feelings. I'ts just that the goverment saw him
as a threat and wanted to show the youth that this will not be tolorated
and made an example of him, but n the long run JIM won in spades.
Just wish in hadn.t cost him his life.
WHY CAN'T IS PARENTS, BROTHER OR SISTER GIVE A TESTOMONY OF THEIR
WONDERFUL BROTHER, AFTER ALL THEY A LEAST PROFITED BY HIS
DEATH, IT'S 1998 AND BY NOW THEY SHOULD KNOW JIM WAS NO DIFFERENT THAN
ANYBODY ELSE.
Jim will remain in our hearts forever he will never. never be forgotten
till THE END of time itself
PAM
Pam Rezin
Excuse the spelling...guess my keyboard got stuck
Pam
Sir Zeus
>Jim was a very calculating and theatrical performer.
Actually he was a very calculating and theatrical performer until New
Orleans on December 12th, 1970. (his last performance.) He was out of it
only for about 4 months after Miami. Then in July of 1969 (I think it was
the 21st) he performed at the Aquarius theater which was a great show. The
Doors' biggest Miami-Aftermath comeback was definitely the Madison Square
Garden/Felt Forum shows in January of 1970. Terrific shows!! I've heard alot
of people say that Miami was the end for The Doors which is highly untrue.
In fact, I think some of thir best concerts were in 1970. The audiences
respected Jim and The Doors alot more. Some of the 1968 audiences were just
there to see Jim do something crazy and see him provoke riots and all that.
Especially in November of '68 at the L.A. Forum when people kept yelling
shit like "Do something Jim!" All Jim wanted to do was sing and the audience
was provoking him to snap. And even after Jim fullfilled everyone's request
and sang "Light My Fire" they wanted him to sing it again. But of course
there were still some assholes in the 1970 audiences, especially Seattle. So
I highly diagree with you when you say that Jim was a great performer before
Miami. Jim was a terrific performer before and after Miami.
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Not anymore insane than some crazy bastard who voluntarily gives up his life
for a tie and suit and works in an office. Jim was one of the few sane
people to ever live in this fucked up world. His lyrics came from his mind
and the delusions came from hallucinogens, not psychosis
HYPERVIEW
you may not care for my opinion on your question as to Morrison's
sanity.. but i will reply anyway..because i like the question..
very good question... very probing and thought provoking..
in my opinion.. yes.. someone who constantly has words
spilling forth in poet form or not.. is suffering from a mental illness..
whether drug induced or not.......
depression usually is associated as far as my own experiences..
.. care to discuss it further.. would love to hear your reply
Brian
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>On Mon, 26 Jan 1998 20:04:59 GMT, Br...@comsteck.com (Brad Mayberry)
>wrote:
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>Where did Jim Morrison come up with some his lyrics? Was it insanity
>that drove him to transcribe? It does not take a sane man to write
>the words he wrote. That's why I'm wondering if in fact Jim was
>insane? Was he? Does anyone else want to comment on this?
>
>Brad
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>Read some poetry by Rimbaud. Morrison loved him. You're gonna be
>blown away at how heavily Morrison borrowed from him.... except most
>of Morrison's meanings, in the rare times there were any, were very
>obtuse, drenched in psychedelic haze. But the style is definitely
>Rimbaud, through and through.
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Gambetta
HYPERVIEW wrote;
>in my opinion.. yes.. someone who constantly
> has words spilling forth in poet form or not.. is
>suffering from a mental illness..
"constantly".......my guess is u new him well. now i know why i didn't
do well in school!!!! my teachers were "spilling" deranged thoughts into
my head.....and i thought it was knowledge. LOOKOUT people for others
doing their thing......for the philosophers, they were foolish(1)!
1 insane: foolish-------Webster Dictionary
T-man
Hell Yes, he was INSANE!
The level of creativity he lived is not sane, but then sanity's not
all it's cracked up to be.
Meltric99
dean to chemisty department:
:why cant you guys be more like the math department all they need is a
chalkboard and a wastebasket, or be more like the philosophy department all
they need is a chalkboard.
Jim
HYPERVIEW wrote:
> in my opinion.. yes.. someone who constantly has words
> spilling forth in poet form or not.. is suffering from a mental
>illness..
Wow, think of all the great libraries and WEB sites should be notified
to close. Realizing how much more ignorance that could breed makes me
continue to drink. Oh, and that stupid question about my address... I'd
be certifiably insane to post my real one here. Cheers
~Jim
HYPERVIEW
I only know Jim Morrison .. from my own viewpoint as
a poet/singer..
i only know why i write poetry.. and song
Brian
>HYPERVIEW wrote;
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>>in my opinion.. yes.. someone who constantly
>> has words spilling forth in poet form or not.. is
>>suffering from a mental illness..
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>"constantly".......my guess is u new him well. now i know why i didn't
>do well in school!!!! my teachers were "spilling" deranged thoughts into
>my head.....and i thought it was knowledge. LOOKOUT people for others
>doing their thing......for the philosophers, they were foolish(1)!
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>1 insane: foolish-------Webster Dictionary
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Z Williams
what exactly is sane. personally I think you can't call a person insane
without herdsupporting evidence. you say Jim was insane ,but why
because he wrote lyrics that not everyone understood, or maybe because
he didn't do what society expected a man to do , was it his vast use of
drugs , or had sex with a different woman almost every night of the
week. I find that my everyday life follows those guide lines ,all but
the sex everynight. and as far as his poetry goes so what if he used a
little of someone else's work like you've never cheated on a test ,or
picked money up off of the ground kowing that the person in front of you
dropped it. the man looked up to na fellow poet and admired their work.
would you have read or heard this poetry unless Jim had re done it and
obviosly the origonal writter had no problem with Jim copying his work
or else they would have made a big stink about it . but then again
this is all just my opinion ...
HYPERVIEW
personally when i say insane . actually i mean mentally
not at rest.. some peoples minds don't rest easy..
constantly seeking to interpret and convey..
Morrison described hearing a concert at times in his head..
is this not close to "hearing voices" in one's head...
maybe poets.. some anyway.. really prolific ones.. have no choice
but give in the words constantly flowing in the poets brain...
hey may some voices speak in poetic verse..
as far as borrowing form other poets..
i feel it is okay.. after all a true poets remarks on the world
around him.. part of that world is what the poet reads ,, see's .. feels...
nothing wrong with adding remarks..
but strickly the mental illness ..
have you noticed how many poets died from drug abuse or drink?
depression?
Brian
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Gambetta
HYPERVEIW wrote;
>Morrison described hearing a concert at times
>in his head..
>is this not close to "hearing voices" in one's
>head..
No, not close at all. i hear a concert in my head when i play guitar and
when i'm not. i think its just artistic approach. Also, what is meant
when you say ......"....have no choice but give in the words constantly
flowing in the poets brain..."
what is meant by "no choice"?? like to hear your veiw....
Gambetta
Lysergius
HYPERVIEW wrote:
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> personally when i say insane . actually i mean mentally
> not at rest.. some peoples minds don't rest easy..
> constantly seeking to interpret and convey..
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>
Lysergius wrote, One of Morrison influences, the poet William Blake,
claimed that when he wrote the words like angels flew around the room..
Is this not the exalted state necessary for true vision. Is this not
Jimbo's message... When he exhorts us to break on thru - I don't think
he is saying to the other aisle of the hypermarket or to another TV
channel - do you?
Pocket Change
I think LSD and other drugs took Morrison to his own world. The other
side. We all need to experiment and Break On Through...
Find the other side of yourself.
--
What is a friend? A single soul dwelling in two bodies. -Aristotle
T-man
I think he was insane. But then I think the insane are responsible
for much of what we find beautiful and original in this life, poetry,
music, prose, art. Maybe a better word would be trans-sane,
transcending mere sanity, but that doesn't exactly trip off the
tongue, does it. Watching his performances on video tape so many
years later, he burns with a rare intensity. A wolf who's accepted
the role of shepherd. Beautifully insane!!!
Lou Sternberg
Of coarse Jim was insane. I don't know about any of you, but my body was
never taken over by an Indian spirit. He said that his was. I consider
that insane.
Gambetta wrote:
> HYPERVEIW wrote;
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> >Morrison described hearing a concert at times
> >in his head..
DLyte99720
This is primarily in response to Gambetta:
I do believe that Jim Morrison was not insane. We all must remember that most
people who have been pegged as geniuses have also been noted to be insane. I
think that "insane" is not the best choice of a word when it comes to
describing Morrison.
I think the response above Gambetta's remarks is a tad bit obtuse, wouldn't ya
say? I think there are people who will experience revelations or visions in
their lifetime. This may occur because they have such an intense form of
inspiration and creativity. Besides, where else can all of the emotions and
desires go to play but in the mind. I believe that Morrison was a truly gifted
soul, which was what made him so special.
Last little note: are all those that do not conform to society's "acceptable"
norms insane? I certainly hope not.
nhaynes
It is ridiculous to say that Jim was insane. Although Jim did have some
substance abuse problems, he was a thoughtful, intelligent individual
who used his art to, among other things, purge the mind of it's
darkness. We all have darkness in our minds. The fact is that Jim was
brave enough to act out or display this in front of others in hopes that
they would both be thrilled by the art and purged of their pent-up pain
along with him. Jim understood human psychology and used it in his
art. As an artist I always see images in my mind, and as a musician I
always hear music in my mind. Where do you THINK music and art come
from? Jim understood his performances to be both theatrical and
transcendental. Part of the reason Jim became disillusioned with music
was that the fans did not have as high a degree of intelligence,
education, spirit, or truth within them as he did. He came to resent
his fans and feel that there was a great gulf between them that even his
massive skills of communication could not repair. Jim was let down by a
world that was largely dumber and more cowardly than he. To call Jim
Morrison insane is not only a huge error, but an awful insult to the
memory of a gifted artist.
Lyubova
I don't feel that Jim Morrison was insane, but he certainly was a very
disturbed, unhappy individual. It is painful to read of how such a talented
person self-destructed with drugs and alcohol so rapidly. Obviously there was
some deep-set thing bothering him. John Densmore calls it "his birth-wound" in
his book about the Doors, "Riders on the Storm". I agree that it seems as
though there was almost something bothering him from birth, causing him to act
self-destructively at many key points in his life.
-Sarah
themissinglink
That is true...he was marked oppressively at birth, and knew it.
DLyte99720
I think there is great fault in harping on the dark and disasterous element
that was a part of Jim Morrison. It is better to consider the whole package,
especially the mysticism of his personhood that reflected extremes of pleasure
and pain. The world is made up of its complimentary pals -- ying and yang. It
might just have been that Morrison emersed himself in all experiences and
emotions whole-heartedly. Perhaps, with such an intense passion for life that
few can understand him. He lived his life in extremes and probably touched
realms of the human existence -- both fantastic and horrible -- that only a
brave few ever encounter in a lifetime.
Yes I am sure that something deeply disturbed Jim Morrison. How would you feel
if you were the only one who knew what it was like to "test the bounds of
reality"? It must have been fairly upsetting to accomplish so much and want to
share it with a world that is only concerned with a few hit songs and some
dramatic antics.
Jim Morrison tried to show us what it meant to say YES to life, and barely
anyone listened. Please, tell me, who are the disturbed ones? I beg to differ
that it was Jim.
themissinglink
DLyte99720 wrote:
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> I think there is great fault in harping on the dark and disasterous element
> that was a part of Jim Morrison. It is better to consider the whole package,
> especially the mysticism of his personhood that reflected extremes of pleasure
> and pain. The world is made up of its complimentary pals -- ying and yang. It
> might just have been that Morrison emersed himself in all experiences and
> emotions whole-heartedly. Perhaps, with such an intense passion for life that
> few can understand him. He lived his life in extremes and probably touched
> realms of the human existence -- both fantastic and horrible -- that only a
> brave few ever encounter in a lifetime.
>
> Yes I am sure that something deeply disturbed Jim Morrison. How would you feel
> if you were the only one who knew what it was like to "test the bounds of
> reality"? It must have been fairly upsetting to accomplish so much and want to
> share it with a world that is only concerned with a few hit songs and some
> dramatic antics.
>
> Jim Morrison tried to show us what it meant to say YES to life, and barely
> anyone listened. Please, tell me, who are the disturbed ones? I beg to differ
> that it was Jim.
good offering...
Joshua Kamm
In article <199804050104...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
dlyte...@aol.com (DLyte99720) wrote:
>I think there is great fault in harping on the dark and disasterous element
>that was a part of Jim Morrison. It is better to consider the whole package,
>especially the mysticism of his personhood that reflected extremes of pleasure
>and pain. The world is made up of its complimentary pals -- ying and yang. It
>might just have been that Morrison emersed himself in all experiences and
>emotions whole-heartedly.
Huh? Most concede that alcohol is a depressant. It numbs the senses. As
Robby says in the movie: "For a guy that says he's in love with pain, you
sure do run from it whenever you get the chance."
Perhaps, with such an intense passion for life that
>few can understand him. He lived his life in extremes and probably touched
>realms of the human existence -- both fantastic and horrible -- that only a
>brave few ever encounter in a lifetime.
>
>Yes I am sure that something deeply disturbed Jim Morrison. How would you feel
>if you were the only one who knew what it was like to "test the bounds of
>reality"?
Now Morrison was great, and he's up there in the pantheon of Rock and Roll
Cliche's and Goodtime Singers, but you whatever he may have said in any
interview has to be taken with a few grains of salt. His vision is
probably best expressed in his lyrics. Not to say that what he said in the
interviews wasn't at time great: I love what he says in his Elektra bio
about proposing a new wild west, etc. That's great stuff.
I
--
The Doors. Their style is early cunnilingual, late patricidal, lunchtime in the Everglades, Black Forest blood sausage on electrified bread, Jean Genet up a totem pole, artists at the barricades, Edgar Allen Poe drowning in his birdbath, Massacre of the Innocents, tarantella of the satyrs, L.A. pagans drawing down the moon.
--Tom Robbins pri...@primenet.com Joshua Kamm--
