Cliff Morrison - The Doors Soap Opera Continues...
The Goddess
Janet Erwin (The resident ex-girlfriend (one of many) of Jim Morrison, and
enemy of Partiricia Kennealy) <mizsca...@hotmail.com> takes an
offensive stance on the "Cliff" issue and snaps at
Ian <stit...@totalise.co.uk> :
>Whose son are you talking about now? Robby's? Are you saying Robby has
>no business letting Waylon play in Cliff's band until or unless Cliff
>"proves" he's Jim's son?
>First of all, I believe Waylon Krieger is a grown man and
>therefore perfectly capable of deciding for himself with whom he wants
>to play music.
>Second, I understand Cliff is preparing to tour with a new band, and
>Waylon isn't in it anyway ;-)
****
>Ian, I'm afraid neither you nor the BC Boyo are making much sense.
>You're *demanding* that Robby Krieger and/or Cliff Morrison get on this
>newsgroup and prove to your satisfaction that Cliff is Jim Morrison's
>son.
>Neither of these men is going to do that, and you have no right
>whatsoever to demand otherwise. All ANY performer owes his audience, his
>fans--or "potential" fans, as you put it--is his best performance.
>No performer owes any fan any more than that, and for you to behave like
>a couple of spoiled, self-important brats and *demand* that Robby or
>Cliff reveal anything about their personal lives--or Jim's--is WAY out
>of bounds.
>BTW, it's interesting that you're British. According to Jim, one of the
>reasons he decided to live in Paris and not London was because the
>British press was so incredibly snoopy and invasive, and he knew the
>French would leave him alone.
_________________________________________________________________________
I have made my point that I believe that Cliff is Morrison's son. Cliff
doesn't have to prove to me that he is, I can see it in his face. I agree
that Cliff wants an audience based on his own talent, and not his name. I
believe it is *not* the Kriegers' responsibility to confirm anything, it is
a responsibility of the Morrison family. Considering that Jim Morrison
never acknowledged being a father prior to his death (he had plenty of time
to do so, since Cliff was born in 1969), I can understand why fans of
Morrison would want to have some kind of confirmation, or affirmation from
the Morrison family that Cliff is a relative. I am sure this is not
something that is only discussed in this newsgroup, people all over who have
heard about Cliff or LizardSun, are possibly very puzzled by Cliff's
existence. Lennon's sons, and Dylan's son don't need to clarify their
birthright because their fathers all acknowledged their existence in public.
Cliff is a grown man, that seemingly came out of nowhere, with Morrison's
name. It should be easy for you to understand why there is heavy
skepticism, the silence on the issue is annoying. Does this mean that anyone
can claim to be Morrison's child, and not have to make a comment on his/her
origin? Would Morrison if he were alive, recognize Cliff? Would Morrison
have wanted his fans to accept the fact that he had fathered a child, when
it is obvious that Morrison did not claim a son when he was alive? There is
no mention of Cliff in any of the books I have read, certainly not in
Manzarek's book. Instead of personally insulting those who respect the fact
that Jim never claimed a child during his life, you should realize that
Cliff Morrison can not expect Morrison fans to just accept his birthright
without some sort of statement, or clarification. With the stories of Pamela
Courson, Patricia Kennealy, Janet Erwin, Laura Ashcroft, and other tales of
"Jim and Me" sexual escapades out there, it is obvious that the odds of
pregnancy caught up with Jim. No one wants to know the details of the affair
so far as how Cliff was created, *that* is invasive and prying. But when a
child is born almost two years before Jim's death, with no word or mention
by Jim or his close friends, then people have a right to concern. I doubt it
seriously that if some other adult claimed to be Morrison's child, embarked
on a music career, and was born to another woman that you never knew about,
that you would just accept his/her right to Morrison's name without
question. You would want some sort of proof, right Erwin? Just like you
demanded proof from Kennealy about her claims to being Morrison's
justifiable "widow". Which is more important to dispute, some former Wiccan
lay of Jim's trying to hold on to a relationship that died decades ago, that
nobody gives a shit about? Or a man who publically comes forth as Morrison's
only child, and supposedly the rightful heir to the Lizard King's throne?
Cliff needs to get it out in the open and over with. Then the public will
leave him alone.
Liz...
K. Warner
Damn thats a fine post.
Krammerhead
Ian
K. Warner <kwa...@infoserve.net> wrote in message
news:397B4C...@infoserve.net...
Indeed it is!
However, I would once again emphasize that I am not *demanding* a statement
from Robby, I merely said 'I think Robby should make a statement .....'. A
flippant statement (didnt think anyone would get on their high horse over
it) that said I felt that, as Robbys Son was in the same band as Cliff and
Robby was in the same band as his sons bandmates *supposed* father, he may
be in a better position than most to comment.
How that makes me stand out as British (I prefer English though, thank you
very much) I don't know.
Ian
Buzz
There will never be another Morrison...or The Doors.
Ian wrote in message <8lfm1q$6eh$1...@lure.pipex.net>...
Buzz
Buzz wrote in message ...
Seaghnaid
very much) I don't know.
Ian
>>
I wouldn't worry about it Ian...it get's hot in here alot of the time
pfeff
KasparGroup
PepRmntMiniskirt
>From: "Buzz" sb
>What does his son have to do with anything ?
>There will never be another Morrison...or The Doors.
>
No there won't ever be another Jim Morrison....I just wanted to say I have
Cliff's cd & he really sounds so much like his father...were talking more then
what a tribute band mayhave to offer...it's really too close for comfort. have
you heard it?
Dawn
Seaghnaid
exactly
pfeff!!!
mizsca...@hotmail.com
"The Goddess" <aria...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have made my point that I believe that Cliff is Morrison's son.
Yup. It was a great post.
> I believe it is *not* the Kriegers' responsibility to confirm
> anything, it is a responsibility of the Morrison family.
Why? I don't understand why anyone would think the Morrisons owe their
late son's fans anything. They gave you Jim. I should think that'd be
enough.
& if Jim were still alive would you all be clamoring for explanations
from him? (Now THAT I'd pay money to see ;-)
> Considering that Jim Morrison never acknowledged being a father prior
> to his death (he had plenty of time to do so, since Cliff was born in
> 1969), I can understand why fans of Morrison would want to have some
> kind of confirmation, or affirmation from the Morrison family that
> Cliff is a relative.
Considering that the Morrison family are intensely private people who
communicate with the public only through their attorneys, and rarely at
that, I'd say chances are slim to none that this will ever happen, and
I still don't understand why you think it should.
> I am sure this is not something that is only discussed in this
> newsgroup, people all over who have heard about Cliff or LizardSun,
> are possibly very puzzled by Cliff's existence. Lennon's sons, and
> Dylan's son don't need to clarify their birthright because their
> fathers all acknowledged their existence in public.
Lennon and Dylan were *married* to their sons' mothers. Since Jim never
married, his children were born on the wrong side of the blanket, as the
quaint old phrase goes.
I understand Cliff found out he was Jim's son less than five years ago;
hence his seeming to come out of nowhere. As for Jim "acknowledging"
Cliff--if Cliff's mother didn't tell Cliff whose son he was until more
than a quarter century after his birth, I think chances are pretty good
she never told Jim anything at all.
Or what if she did tell Jim she was pregant, and he told her if she
wanted an abortion he'd pay for it, otherwise she was on her own? Would
that make Cliff any less Jim's son, if Cliff's mother chose to have her
baby?
Or say Jim did know about Cliff and, in his youthful arrogance (or maybe
because he had a few other things on his mind, like staying out of
prison) he chose not to get involved.
But now he'd be nearly 57; plenty of time to grow up, repent his earlier
decision and try to make it up to his kid. Jim could be a real jerk, but
essentially he was a good man; I like to think he'd have gone that
route, if he'd lived.
> It should be easy for you to understand why there is heavy
> skepticism, the silence on the issue is annoying.
So be annoyed. It's a free country ;-)
> Does this mean that anyone can claim to be Morrison's child, and not
> have to make a comment on his/her origin? Would Morrison if he were
> alive, recognize Cliff?
See above.
> Would Morrison have wanted his fans to accept the fact that he had
> fathered a child, when it is obvious that Morrison did not claim a son
> when he was alive? There is no mention of Cliff in any of the books I
> have read, certainly not in Manzarek's book.
> Instead of personally insulting those who respect the
> fact that Jim never claimed a child during his life,
If you're talking about Ian and Dannyboy, I haven't seen much respect
for anything from that quarter. I believe one of them proposed asking
Robby Krieger if Cliff's mother was one of Jim's girlfriends or just a
"groupie," as if that had anything to do with anything.
> you should realize
> that Cliff Morrison can not expect Morrison fans to just accept his
> birthright without some sort of statement, or clarification.
I don't know what you mean by "accept his birthright." I think he
probably just hopes some people will listen to his music who might not
otherwise have done so, and if they like it they'll buy it. If they
don't, they won't.
That was the point I was trying to make by mentioning Julian and Sean
Lennon. Do people buy their records because they're John Lennon's sons,
or because they like their music?
> With the stories of Pamela Courson, Patricia Kennealy, Janet Erwin,
Laura Ashcroft,
(a) Pam Courson never, ever talked publicly about her relationship with
Jim.
(b) That would be LINDA Ashcroft, and I'm assuming she won't be claiming
to have borne Jim any sons since one of the goofier assertions (goofy to
any woman who knew Jim, anyway) in her 600+page fantasy is that, while
they fooled around a lot, she and Jim never actually, you know,
*consummated* their great love ;-)
> and other tales of "Jim and Me" sexual escapades out there, it is
> obvious that the odds of pregnancy caught up with Jim.
> No one wants to know the details of the affair so far as how Cliff was
> created, *that* is invasive and prying. But when a child is born
> almost two years before Jim's death, with no word or mention by Jim or
> his close friends, then people have a right to concern. I doubt it
> seriously that if some other adult claimed to be Morrison's child,
> embarked on a music career, and was born to another woman that you
> never knew about, that you would just accept his/her right to
> Morrison's name without question.
Why do you assume that I accepted Cliff without question?
or for that matter, that I have any more right than any other
person--outside the Morrison family itself--to "accept" Cliff or not?
> You would want some sort of proof, right Erwin? Just like
> you demanded proof from Kennealy about her claims to being Morrison's
> justifiable "widow"
I did? When did I do that?
> Which is more important to dispute, some former Wiccan
> lay of Jim's trying to hold on to a relationship that died decades
> ago
Well, since this particular Wiccan is writing fulsomely bad poetry to
herself and proposing to sell it to his fans as Jim's work, I presume to
think he'd be a tad unhappy about that.
> that nobody gives a shit about? Or a man who publically comes forth as
> Morrison's only child, and supposedly the rightful heir to the Lizard
> King's throne?
Whoa...Cliff's gonna sing with The Doors???
> Cliff needs to get it out in the open and over with.
I daresay Cliff would like to; I can't think why you're assuming it's
entirely up to him.
> Then the public
> will leave him alone.
Yah sure. Tell me another ;-)
> Liz...
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Before you buy.
mizsca...@hotmail.com
Oh, puhleeze! Old Ray can dish it with the best of 'em, bless his heart
;-)
mizsca...@hotmail.com
"Ian" <stit...@totalise.co.uk> wrote:
> How that makes me stand out as British (I prefer English though, thank
> you very much) I don't know.
Well heck, *somebody's* got to be buying those snoopy, gossipy English
rags--if not the English public (that's you, Ian) who else? ;-)
K. Warner
<snip>
> Why? I don't understand why anyone would think the Morrisons owe their
> late son's fans anything. They gave you Jim. I should think that'd be
> enough.
Only Jim gave us Jim. His parents would have been happy to give us Mr.
Rogers.
Krammerhead
(Who actually is a British guy living in British Columbia!)
Buzz
message <20000724203540...@ng-cc1.aol.com>...
Buzz
:-)
mizsca...@hotmail.com
kwa...@infoserve.net wrote:
> Only Jim gave us Jim. His parents would have been happy to give us
Mr.
> Rogers.
>
> Krammerhead
>
> (Who actually is a British guy living in British Columbia!)
So what do you call that? A Bricanuck? ;-)
Ian
<mizsca...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8lj702$tg6$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Well heck, *somebody's* got to be buying those snoopy, gossipy English
> rags--if not the English public (that's you, Ian) who else? ;-)
The Sun/Mirror/Star? No thanks
Hello? No, its a Womans mag.
Ian
The Goddess
<mizsca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Yup. It was a great post.
Thank you.
> Why? I don't understand why anyone would think the Morrisons owe their
> late son's fans anything. They gave you Jim. I should think that'd be
> enough.
I did not say that the Morrison family *owed* anybody anything. What I was
basicly saying is that if an affirmation were to be made, it should come
from the Morrison family, and not the Kriegers, considering that Cliff is
using the Morrison name.
Since the Morrisons have not sued Cliff for using the Morrison name, this
further proves to *me* that the Morrisons have recognized Cliff as a
relative. I can't decide for others to accept and believe in Cliff based on
what I based my belief on.
Cliff is always going to be held under a shadow of doubt, unless he has some
credible verbal support from his relatives, or from Jim's well known
friends. This is why Ian wondered why the Kriegers have not verbally
supported Cliff to be Morrison's son. Sure it is obvious, if Waylon has
linked himself to Cliff in public, then Waylon believes in Cliff. I don't
think Waylon would associate himself with a fraud. For alot of people,
including myself, this is enough, but for others, well...how hard is it to
say :
"Cliff is a good friend of mine, and I believe that he is Jim's son." When
something so simple as a basic, positive, supportive statement is avoided,
it leaves ample room for doubt. I don't know how Cliff is dealing with it,
but if I were Jim's kid, and wanted everyone to know that I was proud of my
father, and wanted to be recognized as his child, i would do everything and
anything to dispell any doubt about it. ~shrugs~
Jim gave us Jim, like K.H. stated in a few posts below mine. From what I
understand, Jim's parents did not give birth to Jim, so that they could
groom him for a music career.
> & if Jim were still alive would you all be clamoring for explanations
> from him? (Now THAT I'd pay money to see ;-)
If Jim were alive, and Cliff was on the music scene, let's be realistic, no
one would say anything. There would be no need to.
If Cliff were a "fraud", everyone would hopefully have common sense to know
that Jim would deal with it.
> Considering that the Morrison family are intensely private people who
> communicate with the public only through their attorneys, and rarely at
> that, I'd say chances are slim to none that this will ever happen, and
> I still don't understand why you think it should.
I can understand being private. I don't need strangers combing over the tiny
details of my private life. This is not "Do you, the surviving members of
the
Morrison family accept Cliff as your relative, love him, and cherish him and
have plans to develop a relationship with him?"
This is more like, "There is a guy who says he is Morrison's son, do
you believe he is or not?" A closed question. A simple yes or no answer is
all that Jim's fans would appreciate that they would give. I, personally,
don't care if it ever happens, I don't need a statement. If the Morrisons
have no problems with Cliff, neither do I. If their attorneys would make a
simple statement in support of Cliff, then this issue would die out, and
Cliff would be left alone to do his "thing" in peace, without skepticism.
> Lennon and Dylan were *married* to their sons' mothers. Since Jim never
> married, his children were born on the wrong side of the blanket, as the
> quaint old phrase goes.
Children? There are more? I already understand the concept of how
illegitimate births work, thank you. ~smile~
> I understand Cliff found out he was Jim's son less than five years ago;
> hence his seeming to come out of nowhere. As for Jim "acknowledging"
> Cliff--if Cliff's mother didn't tell Cliff whose son he was until more
> than a quarter century after his birth, I think chances are pretty good
> she never told Jim anything at all.
Where is there information available to Doors fans about Cliff's
self-discovery? Nowhere.
Liv Tyler, example, was raised thinking that Todd Rundgren was her father.
Not until the age of ten did she find out the truth.
She has since changed her name from Rundgren to Tyler, and had no
apprehension telling her fans, or Steven Tyler/Aerosmith fans how she
discovered her link to Steven. Liv looks like her father. Cliff looks like
his. Since Steven is still alive, and able to support his daughter, she did
not have to worry about doubt from Aerosmith fans prior to her embarking on
a modeling/acting career. If Cliff were to do an interview, and share his
experience with his father's fans, more fans would understand him, accept
him, and support him. Does this have to be a negative thing? Could it not
turn out to be a positive direction for his fledgeling career? Liv didn't
have to explain herself, but she did it not out obligation, but the openess,
and willingness to share her pride in her self-discovery, and heritage. I
had pondered the thought that Cliff's mother did not reveal her birth to
Jim. It's sad, and she had her own reasons. I discovered that a step-brother
of mine was my half-brother, 14 years after his birth, and I knew him when
he was still in diapers. I don't understand why my father, and former
step-mother did not avoid this discrepency, and had allowed my brother to
think my former step-mother's first husband was his Dad for 14 years. Now my
brother still has a hard time accepting his birth father, whom he thought
was his step-father. It's a f****d up situation all around, and I can have
some idea as to what Cliff thought or felt when he received his news.
~sighs~
> Or what if she did tell Jim she was pregant, and he told her if she
> wanted an abortion he'd pay for it, otherwise she was on her own? Would
> that make Cliff any less Jim's son, if Cliff's mother chose to have her
> baby?
No. I know that I have never made a statement that Cliff was "less", because
of Jim's possible refusal to accept fatherhood.
I don't think anyone has, if that is what had happened, and it is a good
possibility, then shame on Jim. I don't believe that there are many people
out there naive to the fact that there are assholes in this world who
abandon their children. Because Jim was a famous man, and currently an icon,
there are many people who look up to him. People who have witnessed
illegitimate children of other celebrities, come forth in the public arena,
and were later proven to be frauds. People who have witnessed many Jim
"frauds", and all other kinds of mess that has come to light since his
death. People who are skeptical because they have been preyed upon by
individuals who have been seemingly trying to share Jim's fame by
association. (Example: Patricia Kennealy-Morrison.)
> Or say Jim did know about Cliff and, in his youthful arrogance (or maybe
> because he had a few other things on his mind, like staying out of
> prison) he chose not to get involved.
Well you knew Jim, more so than I did. I would like to think that Jim was
not that selfish. It would have shown compassion and responsibility if Jim
had prioritized his child before everything else. He didn't have to raise
Cliff, considering that he would, in your hypothetical scenario, have given
Cliff's mother an option. So, let's say that Cliff's mother refused
abortion, and took on the sole responsibility. Jim did not tell anyone that
he was possibly a father, or that he knew he was a father prior to his
death, prior to his trip to Paris. A mention out of concern would have
surfaced, along with his other concerns--such as prison. I don't believe he
would have kept the knowledge of Cliff's birth in September 1969 away from
everyone in his life for a year and a half because of Miami, or any other
negative incidents in relation to his music career.
> But now he'd be nearly 57; plenty of time to grow up, repent his earlier
> decision and try to make it up to his kid. Jim could be a real jerk, but
> essentially he was a good man; I like to think he'd have gone that
> route, if he'd lived.
I would hope so as well.
> So be annoyed. It's a free country ;-)
It sure is, Janet. A free country, that allows fans of James Douglas
Morrison, to make their own decisions to not buy into the possible bullshit
that Jim Morrison fathered a child less than two years before his death. A
free country that allows fans of James Douglas Morrison to not have to take
everything at "face value", which is what Cliff is relying on. His face.
~sweet smile~
> If you're talking about Ian and Dannyboy, I haven't seen much respect
> for anything from that quarter. I believe one of them proposed asking
> Robby Krieger if Cliff's mother was one of Jim's girlfriends or just a
> "groupie," as if that had anything to do with anything.
Nobody has heard of Cliff's mother. Who was in a band with Cliff? Waylon.
Who is Waylon's father? Robby Krieger.
Who would have been old enough to know Jim, and possibly have some inkling
of knowledge regarding this secret affair? Robby. Why is it so hard to
understand why some
people want to know who, and where did Cliff come from? How did Cliff's
mother meet Jim? What was she to Jim? I don't think their intentions were to
be rude towards Cliff's mother. Jim was a rock star. Jim had groupies. It
would make sense that-- since Cliff's mother is not obviously *not* Pamela
Courson, who was Jim's established girlfriend, and court-ruled common-law
wife-- that some Morrison fans would be curious as to how Cliff's mother had
the opportunity to be impregnated by Jim. Robby was targeted because he is
the *only* credible person from Jim's life that has indirectly---via his
son--linked himself to Cliff. If Robby had any doubts about Cliff's relation
to Jim, I would think that Waylon, regardless if he is an adult with his own
mind or not, would associate himself with Cliff, if his father thought Cliff
was a fraud. This is why some of Jim Morrison's fans wonder about Cliff's
mother, her level of importance to Jim, and seek credible acknowledgement
from the Kriegers. Morrison fans look to Robby for answers, because they
look UP to Robby. He was there. He knew Jim, he wrote some damn good Doors
songs. They seek knowledge from Robby, because Cliff and his mother are not
doing anything to deflect the suspicion upon them. Nothing at all.
> I don't know what you mean by "accept his birthright." I think he
> probably just hopes some people will listen to his music who might not
> otherwise have done so, and if they like it they'll buy it. If they
> don't, they won't.
In that case, he could have embarked on a career with the prior last name he
used for 25 years. He knew what the hell he was doing by making his debut as
Cliff MORRISON. He knew he was going to have questions thrown at him, by
Jim Morrison's fans.
> That was the point I was trying to make by mentioning Julian and Sean
> Lennon. Do people buy their records because they're John Lennon's sons,
> or because they like their music?
Some people have bought Sean and Julian's music because they are John Lennon
fans. Some people don't care for John Lennon, and buy the music because they
actually liked the music. It doesn't matter, if children of celebrities want
a true critique of how good they are--especially if they are unknown from
birth--like Cliff, they would strive to become successful *first*, before
linking themselves to a famous relative. There are public media archives of
Julian and Sean with their father. His sons could not start from scratch, as
"unknowns".
If they tried they would be "lying" to the public. Cliff had the
opportunity, to be known for his talent. He
threw it away so that he could gain a public relations boost by linking
himself to Jim.
> (a) Pam Courson never, ever talked publicly about her relationship with
> Jim.
(a) I never said she did. I said "stories" and "tales"..doesn't necessarily
mean she authored them, or gave out the information.
> (b) That would be LINDA Ashcroft, and I'm assuming she won't be claiming
> to have borne Jim any sons since one of the goofier assertions (goofy to
> any woman who knew Jim, anyway) in her 600+page fantasy is that, while
> they fooled around a lot, she and Jim never actually, you know,
> *consummated* their great love ;-)
(b) LINDA, Laura, whatever...a tale, i agree, based on the many
discrepencies in her book, a TALL-tale, never-the-less.
Of course you be quick to dispute any woman's claims of having simple sex
with Jim, which is no big deal, he dipped his stick in many--with you being
a proud, and visible recipient,
of course that makes you the expert on who Jim screwed, and whom he
didn't. He told you *everything*, the reserved person that he was,
especially the news that he had impregnated Cliff's mother. Right?
;-)
> Why do you assume that I accepted Cliff without question?
> or for that matter, that I have any more right than any other
> person--outside the Morrison family itself--to "accept" Cliff or not?
Reading your posts, it is quite obvious that you support Cliff, and feel it
is in your right to defend him, and everyone associated with him, against
anyone who is curious and/or skeptical of Cliff. Cliff probably does not
care if Morrison fans "accept" him, or if you or I accept him for that
matter. When someone strives for fame and fortune, and wants to sell music,
they need public "acceptance", like it or not. If Cliff--who is the person
in question--is viewed as a possible fraud, then it would be difficult for
him to have this "acceptance", regardless if his fanbase are Doors fans or
not.
> I did? When did I do that?
Should I have to make the deja.com rounds again, and dig up the posts I have
read from you in regards to PK, using the word proof, or prove in them? Or
should we just agree that you believe PK is a liar, and that most people who
publicly accuse someone else of lying usually want the supposed "liar" to
back up their claims? ~sigh~
> Well, since this particular Wiccan is writing fulsomely bad poetry to
> herself and proposing to sell it to his fans as Jim's work, I presume to
> think he'd be a tad unhappy about that.
Translation: Patricia Kennealy is lying, she says that she has poetry
written by Jim Morrison to sell, I am here to tell everyone that I assume
that Jim did not write this poetry. Kennealy should back up her claims and
prove that my presumption is wrong.
> Whoa...Cliff's gonna sing with The Doors???
Example: Yeah! The band is getting back together, since it is well
established that Cliff is Jim's son!
"...rightful heir to the Lizard King's throne." Sarcasm, like the example
above.
> I daresay Cliff would like to; I can't think why you're assuming it's
> entirely up to him.
I am not assuming it is entirely up to him. He is the center of it all, he
has a mouth and can speak for himself. If he is waiting on others, why not
talk for himself in the meantime?
Liz.........
The Goddess
Sorry K.W.! "Krammerhead" was stuck....for some reason.
~chuckles~
Liz......
K. Warner
>
> In article <397D1E...@infoserve.net>,
> kwa...@infoserve.net wrote:
>
> > Only Jim gave us Jim. His parents would have been happy to give us
> Mr.
> > Rogers.
> >
> > Krammerhead
> >
> > (Who actually is a British guy living in British Columbia!)
>
> So what do you call that? A Bricanuck? ;-)
Actually I call that a Canadian since I grew up here. :)
Krammerhead
K. Warner
>
> > Jim gave us Jim, like K.H. stated in a few posts below mine.
>
> ~chuckles~
>
> Liz......
Krammerhead is always stuck somewhere.
Krammerhead
MDZamboni
I would think it shouldn't be too hard to find someone with a lock of the guy's
hair for DNA testing, someone must have one in a memento book somewhere out
there...
If not, I understand France is possibly not going to renew the lease on his
grave when it comes up, which means he'll have to be reburied elsewhere and
there's an opportunity for genetic sampling right there, I mean - there must be
hair in that box.... eeks, what a morbid thought.
Whatever, I don't care who his father is, or your father for that matter -
what's his band called, where are they based, and when will they be playing
next? And do they suck?
That's what matters, really - the suck factor.
;-)
MDZ
MDZamboni
Or, actually, he wouldn't even need Jim Morrison's DNA - all he'd need is any
Morrison family DNA, no?
;-)
MDZ
Paul Burke
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>
> a responsibility of the Morrison family. Considering that Jim Morrison
> never acknowledged being a father prior to his death (he had plenty of
time
Maybe he did, in a cryptic sorta way .....
(From Maggie M'Gill - Morrison Hotel)
Illegitimate son of a rock and roll star
Illegitimate son of a rock and roll star
Mom met dad in the back of a rock and roll car
Yeah!
Regards,
Paul
tigerbella martinez
Jim made it on his own Jim dont
need to cop off someones name I dont give a rats ass who is
related to JIm Jim rules
Case closed .
Buzz
Thought it could have meant that Jims parents made a mistake or gave him
that impression verbally when young. But did Jims parents like "rockin roll
" ? Or did he make the same mistake his parents did...?? even worst ?
Paul Burke wrote in message <3980...@news.telinco.net>...
DOGGYMOJO
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>
> a responsibility of the Morrison family. Considering that Jim Morrison
> never acknowledged being a father prior to his death (he had plenty of
time
Maybe he did, in a cryptic sorta way .....
(From Maggie M'Gill - Morrison Hotel)
Illegitimate son of a rock and roll star
Illegitimate son of a rock and roll star
Mom met dad in the back of a rock and roll car
Yeah!
Regards,
Paul
Was this not about Jim's child killed before birth?
Bruce Coryell
lines. Morrison Hotel came out right after Cliff was born (1969)...