JIM MORRISON'S CHILD?
Melekaliki
IF ANYONE HAS INFO ABOUT JIMMY REGARDING IF HE HAD A CHILD AND IF SO, WHAT'S
GOING ON WITH HIM/HER, PLEASE EMAIL ME AT EITHER THIS SCREENAME OR
JOLLY...@AOL.COM. THANKS!
SIO
~-~-~-YoUr UnIqUe! JuSt LiKe EvErYbOdY eLsE-~-~-~
Phil
Melekaliki wrote in message <19980920162410...@ng10.aol.com>...
>
>IF ANYONE HAS INFO ABOUT JIMMY REGARDING IF HE HAD A CHILD AND IF SO,
WHAT'S
>GOING ON WITH HIM/HER, PLEASE EMAIL ME AT EITHER THIS SCREENAME OR
>JOLLY...@AOL.COM. THANKS!
I saw something on Telly about a fella claiming to be Jim Morrison's son,
who has just released an album called Crawling King Lizard or some such
unoriginal desperate wanna be shite.
Cecrle
>I saw something on Telly about a fella claiming to be Jim Morrison's son,
>who has just released an album called Crawling King Lizard or some such
>unoriginal desperate wanna be shite.
Heh. Sure it's pathetic to try and ride the coattails of Morrison's
success, but it's even worse to pretend or even *hope* that your mom was
some slut Jim fucked after a show one night and then never saw again.
But I guess a boy can dream, can't he?
-FC
Atheme
I am with you, I let it go when I first read this thread, but now have
time to respond. I would not be a bit surprised to find out Jim had some
illegitimate children. And the one I think some are talking about is
someone named ( I am pretty sure) Cliff?? If I am wrong sorry. I do know he
has a group, I visited their web page. Once again (cheese brain that I am) I
am pretty sure it is Lizard Sun. I don't think he is trying to capitalize
on who he claims his father is, and honestly he is pretty good. Nice
voice. And I do believe he has been led to believe his Dad was Jim
Morrison, and if he is the son, he has every right to talk about his father,
and claim his name. Let's not blame the kids for who their parents are, and
the line about groupie sluts, jeez... I don't know a women, and I am sure a
few men, who would jump at the chance to have jumped Jim Morrisons bones..
:o) If anyone wants the address for this page, I think I can find it
again...........Oh screw it.. I looked it up any ways.... I also would like
to add that the fact that Robby Kriegers son Waylon, is in this band, seems
to indicate that they support who Cliff Morrison says he is.. I guess all
I can say is, Judge for yourself.... I myself tend to think he is exactly
who he says he is, take a look at some of the pic's of him... His eyebrows,
eyes, and lips, Hmmm, looks like he could be a Morrison to me.. Post what
you all think, am curious as usual .......... Trish
http://www.lizardsun.com/
Jason Allen wrote:
> Hi Mel,
>
> I can't believe the hostility some people direct towards people who
> believe they may be the illegitimate offspring of JM. The fact is he
> was intimate with a large number of woman, so the chances he impregnated
> a number of woman would have to be plausible. And those children have
> every right to raise issues concurring to the fact that JM is their
> father. Everybody is interested in their roots and heritage
>
> Sincerely,
>
> jay
Atheme
damn funny..Dimly lit by cigars.... Hoo Ha Ha... <wiping tears from my eyes>
Trish
WAIT4SUN wrote:
> >Kind of like Patty Kenneally claiming she'd be anything besides a sleazy,
> >Monica Lewinsky-like groupie without grubbing Morrison's name onto her own in
> >a
> >phony bullshit "wedding" and profiteering from it. Patty probably still has a
> >semen-stained dress!
>
> yeah, 20 years after Bill Clinton dies, Monica takes the name Monica Clinton
> and claims they were married in a dark, back hallway of the White House dimly
> lit by cigars.
Da Quirksta
Cecrle wrote in message <6u41o5$18q$1...@nw003t.infi.net>...
It was part of whole show on the subject of talentless offspring of legends.
They also featured Sean Lennon (Julian is better) and Dweezil Zappa. It was
on either British or Irish television, but I can't remember which.
Jason Allen
Michal Jeczalik
>
>IF ANYONE HAS INFO ABOUT JIMMY REGARDING IF HE HAD A CHILD AND IF SO, WHAT'S
>GOING ON WITH HIM/HER, PLEASE EMAIL ME AT EITHER THIS SCREENAME OR
>JOLLY...@AOL.COM. THANKS!
>
Stop shouting.
--
Michal Jeczalik <mic...@wsi.edu.pl>
http://www.wsi.edu.pl/~michalj
Phil
Jason Allen wrote in message <3605DD56...@idirect.com>...
It's not about roots and heritage...it's about someone who may or may not be
Jim Morrison's son trying to make a stack of money without actually having
an original idea in his head. Whoever he is and whatever his connection it
is just blatant profiteering.
>
DLyte99720
>It's not about roots and heritage...it's about someone who may or may not be
>Jim Morrison's son trying to make a stack of money without actually having
>an original idea in his head. Whoever he is and whatever his connection it
>is just blatant profiteering.
>>
I must confess......I find it a bit odd that Cliff's name is rarely ever
mentioned without the label 'Jim Morrison's son' tacked onto it.
Yet people who advocate his career, or just plain 'fans', advise us not to
mind this label but to listen to the man's music...etc, etc.....
I don't understand how people can use Jim's name to offer some sort of 'lure'
or something to this Cliff person and then ask you to disregard that claim and
to only look at Cliff...........very odd.
Besides.....I really have yet to see any resemble to Jim Morrison whatsoever,
save for that gosh darn eerie resemblance of his singing voice, which I must
admit I've heard imitated fairly well in many people who don't claim legitimate
blood ties.
I don't know.......it just rubs me the wrong way, ya know? Jim Morrison is my
father! But ignore that and just judge me for being me! What?????? How does
that make sense? It wreaks of propoganda to me, regardless of the possibility
that he could be Jim's son......but that's just my opinion.
Dee
Olliesouth
>>It's not about roots and heritage...it's about someone who may or may not be
>>Jim Morrison's son trying to make a stack of money without actually having
>>an original idea in his head. Whoever he is and whatever his connection it
>>is just blatant profiteering.
>>>
Kind of like Patty Kenneally and her blatant profiteering with the use of
Morrison's name.
>
>I must confess......I find it a bit odd that Cliff's name is rarely ever
>mentioned without the label 'Jim Morrison's son' tacked onto it.
>
>Yet people who advocate his career, or just plain 'fans', advise us not to
>mind this label but to listen to the man's music...etc, etc.....
>
>I don't understand how people can use Jim's name to offer some sort of 'lure'
>or something to this Cliff person and then ask you to disregard that claim
>and
>to only look at Cliff...........very odd.
>
Kind of like Patty Kenneally claiming she'd be anything besides a sleazy,
WAIT4SUN
> Hmmm, looks like he could be a Morrison to me.. Post what
>you all think, am curious as usual
I don't think Cliff looks like Jim. Check out the singer from the doors cover
band "The Soft Parade", now he looks like Jim. Not every son looks like his
father though.
mike.
WAIT4SUN
>Kind of like Patty Kenneally claiming she'd be anything besides a sleazy,
>Monica Lewinsky-like groupie without grubbing Morrison's name onto her own in
>a
>phony bullshit "wedding" and profiteering from it. Patty probably still has a
>semen-stained dress!
yeah, 20 years after Bill Clinton dies, Monica takes the name Monica Clinton
Phil
WAIT4SUN wrote in message
>yeah, 20 years after Bill Clinton dies, Monica takes the name Monica
Clinton
>and claims they were married in a dark, back hallway of the White House
dimly
>lit by cigars.
I don't think you'd be able to light those cigars somehow.
Melekaliki
>Stop shouting.
>
lolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol
Melekaliki
It doesn't matter if they are Jim's kid or not, just if their music is good....
SiO
>It's not about roots and heritage...it's about someone who may or may not be
>Jim Morrison's son trying to make a stack of money without actually having
>an original idea in his head. Whoever he is and whatever his connection it
>is just blatant profiteering.
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
DLyte99720
>yeah, 20 years after Bill Clinton dies, Monica takes the name Monica Clinton
>and claims they were married in a dark, back hallway of the White House
>dimly
>lit by cigars.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Oh please stop......you people are killing me!!!!!!!!!!!
*literally rolling around on the floor laughing*
Dee
Jason Allen
Is Cliff Morrison trying to make a stack of money, and does he not have
an original idea in his head? Heck, I don't know, and unless you know
him personally, I don't think you know either. Maybe he is just trying
to follow in his father's footsteps. Many sons try to emulate what
their father did during their lifetime. Just like Waylan Krieger who
is a member in the same band.
Jay
Jason Allen
I think the need to take shots at Patricia K. is unneccessary. She was
a woman that Jim cared for deeply and committed herself to a marriage
with him in 1970, whether it was pagan or christian. And where does
this 'blatant profiteering' come into play in this subject. So she
wrote a book on her life with JM. What's wrong with that? Is Danny
Sugerman, John Densmore, and Ray Manzarek all guilty of the same crime?
They were responsible for shedding some light on what kind of wonderful
person Jim was when he was alive. They made some money in the process,
but they also enlightened quite a few people. Just the same thing
Patricia was doing. And finally, if P.K. really wanted to financially
benifit from JM, she would have went ahead and had Jim's baby and reaped
the financial gains of doing so. Instead, she conceded to Jim's wishes,
and had an abortion during her 5th month of pregnancy, a very painful
process physically and emotionally. All in all, she was a caring woman
who deserves respect.
Jay
DLyte99720
>And where does
>this 'blatant profiteering' come into play in this subject. So she
>wrote a book on her life with JM. What's wrong with that? Is Danny
>Sugerman, John Densmore, and Ray Manzarek all guilty of the same crime?
Well lets see now......John Densmore (Doors).......Ray Manzarek
(Doors)........and Danny Sugerman........well so he put out roughly two books
on the subject......but as far as I know he has yet to tag 'Morrison' upon
anything else to which the name Danny Sugerman is applied........and yeah
yeah...she legally petitioned for the name, but Danny could too if he so
desired.
>They were responsible for shedding some light on what kind of wonderful
>person Jim was when he was alive. They made some money in the process,
Well......not all of them......did you read Densmore's book, or Sugerman's
book?.....I wouldn't say they were geared towards letting the world in on how
wonderful Jim was......now Ray's book, on the other hand, I can give
you..............FABULOUS book!
>They made some money in the process,
>but they also enlightened quite a few people. Just the same thing
>Patricia was doing.
All I personally got out of Patricia's book was what hell her relationship must
have been like ...........full of constant wars between women.......a man who
seems to be absent when he's most needed.......and someone who's quite keen on
making passes at other women in her presence......what wonderful picture did
that paint?
He came across, at least I thought, more elusive than ever!
>And finally, if P.K. really wanted to financially
>benifit from JM, she would have went ahead and had Jim's baby and reaped
>the financial gains of doing so.
Er...assuming a paternity test indeed proved it was Jim's baby - HEY!
anything's possible!
Instead, she conceded to Jim's wishes,
>and had an abortion during her 5th month of pregnancy, a very painful
>process physically and emotionally.
Wait wait wait......aren't we talking about Patricia Kennealy - Woman to be
reckoned with? Now all of a sudden she slips into the submissive female role?
I doubt she conceded to anyone's wishes and the picture she painted was that
they both agreed.....even moreso on her own ground, to have that
abortion..........although I have no doubt it was very painful.
All in all, she was a caring woman
>who deserves respect.
>
Eveyrone deserves respect.....even the Doorszoids and Pamheads that she berates
on her website.................*guffaw* respect......and I'm not talking
direspect here, this is just my opinion, of which I'm entitled *grin*
Dee
DLyte99720
>Many sons try to emulate what
>their father did during their lifetime. Just like Waylan Krieger who
>is a member in the same band.
Ack! How about trying to be yourself? We come into and go out of this world
with only one set of footsteps into which our feet fit - Our own!
Besides..........how does the fact that Waylon is in the same band lend any
credability to Cliff? Pleeeeezzze explain that one to me.
Dee
Miz Scarlett
>Hey Ollie,
>
>I think the need to take shots at Patricia K. is unneccessary. She was
>a woman that Jim cared for deeply and committed herself to a marriage
>this 'blatant profiteering' come into play in this subject. So she
>wrote a book on her life with JM. What's wrong with that? Is Danny
>Sugerman, John Densmore, and Ray Manzarek all guilty of the same crime?
>person Jim was when he was alive. They made some money in the process,
>benifit from JM, she would have went ahead and had Jim's baby and reaped
>and had an abortion during her 5th month of pregnancy, a very painful
>who deserves respect.
>
>Jay
>
Do yourself a favor, Jay, and don't be quite so willing to take this
woman's version of things as gospel. You may someday find that your trust
was misplaced.
Miz Scarlett
>>They were responsible for shedding some light on what kind of wonderful
>>person Jim was when he was alive. They made some money in the process,
>
>Well......not all of them......did you read Densmore's book, or Sugerman's
>book?.....I wouldn't say they were geared towards letting the world in on how
>wonderful Jim was
As I understand it, NOHGOA was mostly Hopkins' doing, and Wonderland
Avenue was--at least in part--Danny's attempt to compensate for the
*very* distorted portrait of Jim on view in the earlier book. Which
distorted portrait, I might add, was at least in part because of Hopkins'
friendship (at the time) with Miss Kennealy, and that friendship is also
why Jim and Pam come off as the Maggie and Jiggs of the rock world and
only Miss Kennealy "gets out alive..."
And *anyone* who thinks either NOHGOA or Strange Days paints a true
picture of Jim Morrison is not paying attention.
Thank you.
....now Ray's book, on the other hand, I can give
>you..............FABULOUS book!
I challenge anyone to read Kennealy's book, then Ray's, then tell me who
more truly loved Jim.
Any takers?
NLbitch
>Miz Scarlett
>wrote:
>anyone* who thinks either NOHGOA or Strange Days paints a true
>picture of Jim Morrison is not paying attention.
>
Go on then, lets have your opinion! You "seem to know so much" why don't you
write a book yourself or are you too scared that someone like you would accuse
you of all the things you say about others?
JENN...@webtv.net
~Pami~
JENN...@webtv.net
WAIT4SUN
> And finally, if P.K. really wanted to financially
>benifit from JM, she would have went ahead and had Jim's baby and reaped
>the financial gains of doing so.
>Instead, she conceded to Jim's wishes,
>and had an abortion during her 5th month of pregnancy,
...and all along I thought she had the baby and named him Cliff.
WAIT4SUN
>My theory is she needs therepy to get over her
>fantasy......
I'm sure many people would agree with you on this point.
mike
DLyte99720
>Go on then, lets have your opinion! You "seem to know so much" why don't you
>write a book yourself or are you too scared that someone like you would
>accuse
>you of all the things you say about others?
>
This seems more like the hope of a promise than a threat ............
Dee
GwJacobs
Jenna, have you had an abortion?!!!!!!!!!!
GwJacobs
therepy, portatyion - hmm not dealing with an intellectual here are we so why
should your views make any sense either (of course they dont , they are
uneducated and insensitive)
Clovis007
Waylon Krieger has his own band -\
Oakley Krieger Band
http://members.aol.com/okband/
He does some side work with cliff..
Clo
DLyte99720
hmm.........ad hominum retort, eh? Why friend you've commited a logical
fallacy!
*grin*
Attacking the person who stated their beliefs certain doesn't discredit *their
opinion*......
Besides.......what you call uneducated and insensitive, I would call poor
typing skills (or at least not enough time to proofread) and a differing
view............
Teaching Logic 101,
Dee
NothingV
>Kind of like Patty Kenneally claiming she'd be anything besides a sleazy,
>Monica Lewinsky-like groupie without grubbing Morrison's name onto her own in
>a
>phony bullshit "wedding" and profiteering from it. Patty probably still has a
>semen-stained dress!
what a desperate & stupid attack.
what the hell do you know about lewinsky *or* keneally?
nothing
WAIT4SUN
>Attacking the person who stated their beliefs certain doesn't discredit
>*their
>opinion*......
>
>Besides.......what you call uneducated and insensitive, I would call poor
>typing skills (or at least not enough time to proofread) and a differing
>view............
>
>Teaching Logic 101,
>Dee
Dee, U rule!
Atheme
I am glad you exist.. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one in PK's
corner.. I think she is probably one of the only true people who loved Jim
for Jim.. And she has enough talent on her own to make a name for herself
without attaching it to the Morrison name. She was not some little groupie,
druggie.. She was an established person before she even met Jim.. Maybe
some of you should read some of her books, and no I don't mean the one about
her life with Jim. And for what it is worth, I did not always like her, but
I have come to respect her. Trish
Jason Allen wrote:
> Hey Ollie,
>
> I think the need to take shots at Patricia K. is unneccessary. She was
> a woman that Jim cared for deeply and committed herself to a marriage
> with him in 1970, whether it was pagan or christian. And where does
> this 'blatant profiteering' come into play in this subject. So she
> wrote a book on her life with JM. What's wrong with that? Is Danny
> Sugerman, John Densmore, and Ray Manzarek all guilty of the same crime?
> They were responsible for shedding some light on what kind of wonderful
> person Jim was when he was alive. They made some money in the process,
> but they also enlightened quite a few people. Just the same thing
> Patricia was doing. And finally, if P.K. really wanted to financially
> benifit from JM, she would have went ahead and had Jim's baby and reaped
> the financial gains of doing so. Instead, she conceded to Jim's wishes,
Atheme
What makes you so negative concerning PK??? Trust me, I don't care if
you do, or don't like her, I truly believe we are all entitled to our own
opinion. But you seem to really dislike her ( I use to also) As you may
know, the theme to most of my post are just due to curiosity, and that is the
only reason I am asking.. Not looking for a flame war.. :o) Trish
Miz Scarlett wrote:
> Jason Allen <jal...@idirect.com> wrote:
> >Hey Ollie,
> >
> >I think the need to take shots at Patricia K. is unneccessary. She was
> >a woman that Jim cared for deeply and committed herself to a marriage
> >with him in 1970, whether it was pagan or christian. And where does
> >this 'blatant profiteering' come into play in this subject. So she
> >wrote a book on her life with JM. What's wrong with that? Is Danny
> >Sugerman, John Densmore, and Ray Manzarek all guilty of the same crime?
> >They were responsible for shedding some light on what kind of wonderful
> >person Jim was when he was alive. They made some money in the process,
> >but they also enlightened quite a few people. Just the same thing
> >Patricia was doing. And finally, if P.K. really wanted to financially
> >benifit from JM, she would have went ahead and had Jim's baby and reaped
> >the financial gains of doing so. Instead, she conceded to Jim's wishes,
> >and had an abortion during her 5th month of pregnancy, a very painful
> >process physically and emotionally. All in all, she was a caring woman
> >who deserves respect.
> >
> >Jay
> >
>
themissinglink
>
> Hi Mel,
>
> I can't believe the hostility some people direct towards people who
> believe they may be the illegitimate offspring of JM. The fact is he
> was intimate with a large number of woman, so the chances he impregnated
> a number of woman would have to be plausible. And those children have
> every right to raise issues concurring to the fact that JM is their
> father. Everybody is interested in their roots and heritage
>
> Sincerely,
>
> jay
Very well said.
(I inputted in that general direction a ways back at the inception of
this issue, so I won't take up another's space and opportunity by being
redundant.)
themissinglink
> semen-stained dress!
scary thing is that she mentioned somewhere that she retained their
sheets so that she could scratch and sniff. Good grief.
themissinglink
(breakdancing with you, as we speak, sis!)
themissinglink
(footnote: I forgot "unlaundered".)
Atheme
I understand what you mean... PK comes across as a bit (ok more than a bit)
hostile, and I would consider her a first class bitch (which can be a good thing).
But I think allot of what she puts out as being negative, is a cover up for a
broken heart. I think she is truly saddened by Jim's death. And lets face it, the
public has not been kind to her. I have put myself in her shoes and tried to
imagine what it would be like, and I think I might end up very much like her.
Sounding angry, bitter, and cynical.. Like I said in my post to Miz S. I don't care
if any of you like her, I just have a gut feeling about her, and choose to give her
the benefit of doubt. I think she is ok in my book.. And I have not read any of
her fantasy books, they are not my cup of tea. But I have read enough things
written by her to see she is very articulate, and actually she is pretty damn
funny... Just my opinion...
Trish
DLyte99720 wrote:
> >Maybe
> >some of you should read some of her books, and no I don't mean the one about
> >her life with Jim. And for what it is worth, I did not always like her, but
> >I have come to respect her
>
> It's her 'fantastical' aspect that tends to bother me a tad, so certainly won't
> be indulging any of her books (I'm just not a fantasy fan thanx).
>
> On a whole thought I do not fair well in the line of fire of her ill
> will............it is her disrespect towards others that leaves me inclied to
> look towards brighter things....
>
> As I said in a post somewhere else......I always come away from reading her
> work feeling so very disheartened. Funny, because Jim's works bring me such
> joy.
>
> heh so maybe opposites do attract
>
> Dee
Atheme
Tucson.... Ride em cowboy.... :o) Trish (as about as far as one
could be from a cowboy.. hehe)
Fab521 wrote:
> >Things might just be about to get
> >Western (as we say in these here parts).
> >
> Yippeeeee!
> Western Western!!!!!!!
>
> fab, rancher's daughter
Atheme
>
> Dee
<snipped for brevity>
Thanks Dee,
Thats all I wanted was your opinion.. :o) After reading your post though, I
have to wonder??? Did you have some type of encounter with PK?? The only real
contact I have had with her, other that reading her books and her web page, is a
letter I got from her. Mostly after that is when I started to change my opinion on
her. Bottom line is... none of this really matters.. only thing that mattered is
Jim is who he was with the Doors and gave us some great music, and most important
to me (one of) the greatest "word man" to ever walk the face of this earth....
Trish
Atheme
Fab521 wrote:
Hey Trish.....
> I'm curious too.....
> What made you change your mind?
>
> fab
Mostly the letter I got from her. I was not real kind with my presentation, of
what I had felt about her in a letter I had written to her.. I think I used
words something like "blood sucking parasite", to describe her. But told her I
had read her book, and much to my surprise, I received a two page letter back from
her. It was this letter that made me start to change my mind. In it I saw a real
human, it was just the things she said, and the way she said them, that I began to
change my mind about her..... Trish
DLyte99720
Miz Scarlett
>
>>Miz Scarlett
>
>>wrote:
>
>>anyone* who thinks either NOHGOA or Strange Days paints a true
>>picture of Jim Morrison is not paying attention.
>>
>
>write a book yourself or are you too scared that someone like you would accuse
>you of all the things you say about others?
I'm not afraid of a damn thing, little Bitch, except I'd druther die than
sell Jim out the way your idol has time & again.
But there ARE ways of getting the truth out there without selling anyone
out...so stayed tuned, NL. Things might just be about to get
Western (as we say in these here parts).
-------"I guess they mean to send me up without giving me any show,
Miz Scarlett
>
>>Miz Scarlett
>
>>wrote:
>
>>anyone* who thinks either NOHGOA or Strange Days paints a true
>>picture of Jim Morrison is not paying attention.
>>
>
>Go on then, lets have your opinion! You "seem to know so much" why don't you
>write a book yourself or are you too scared that someone like you would accuse
>you of all the things you say about others?
I'm not afraid of a thing, little Bitch, except I'd druther die than sell
Jim out the way his ever-lovin' "widow" has, time and again.
But there ARE ways of getting the truth out there without selling anyone
out, so stay tuned, NL. Things might just be fixin' to get Western on
ya.
********
"I guess they mean to send me up without giving me any show, but they
will have a nice time doing it. I am not without friends."
-----------------------------William H. Bonney, in a letter to
Miz Scarlett
>Jay,
> I am glad you exist.. Sometimes I feel like I am the only one in PK's
>corner.. I think she is probably one of the only true people who loved Jim
>for Jim.. And she has enough talent on her own to make a name for herself
>without attaching it to the Morrison name. She was not some little groupie,
>some of you should read some of her books, and no I don't mean the one about
>her life with Jim. And for what it is worth, I did not always like her, but
I too used to like her, although I'm not sure I ever respected her that
much. But then, familiarity breeds contempt, as they say.
You might also want to consider the possibility that some on this board
are not simply posting opinions but personal experience with Patricia
and/or Jim.
Miz Scarlett
SHEESH! Well they say the 3rd time's the charm so here goes:
>********
>"I guess they mean to send me up without giving me any show, but they
>will have a nice time doing it. I am not without friends."
>-----------------------------William H. Bonney, in a letter to ------------------------------NM Governor Lew. Wallace, March 4, 1881
NLbitch
Hear, hear!!!!!
NLbitch
Trish, I'm on PKM's side too!!!!
NLbitch
Trish, you put things so well, carry on!!!!!!
NLbitch
etc etc.
Miz, I am alarmed at the tremendously negative vibes that surround every post I
read from you. Surely you must have some positive sides and it would only help
you to display them. People who have a different opinion to you, which they are
perfectly entitled to have, seem to be attacked by you. Whatever your view or
anyone else's of PKM, posters should not be flamed in this disrespectful way.
As for your views about me, PKM is not my idol. I have idols for many reasons,
mostly on a humanitarian level. I just take people as I find them in life. My
friend met PKM at a booksigning and found her to be a very witty, intelligent,
strong ,passionate, talented and friendly woman who loved an incredible man and
that is a great deal of what I and others admire about her.
Trish, Jason, anyone else agree?
NothingV
>As for your views about me, PKM is not my idol. I have idols for many
>reasons,
>mostly on a humanitarian level. I just take people as I find them in life. My
>friend met PKM at a booksigning and found her to be a very witty,
>intelligent,
>strong ,passionate, talented and friendly woman who loved an incredible man
>and
>that is a great deal of what I and others admire about her.
>
>Trish, Jason, anyone else agree?
mememe
i agree.
i havent met her, but ive never gotten the impression that she is as evil as
some people like to think.
i respect pkm very much.
nothing
DLyte99720
>My
>friend met PKM at a booksigning and found her to be a very witty,
>intelligent,
>strong ,passionate, talented and friendly woman who loved an incredible man
>and
>that is a great deal of what I and others admire about her.
>
>Trish, Jason, anyone else agree?
I must say I have yet to meet her in person.........I guess that would be an
ultimate testament to my opinion of her. If both she in person & her writing
were to give me that same icky vibe.........well.......then that would be that
for me.
Yet people show many faces.............I suppose I'll just have to wait and see
if she goes on tour anytime soon.........I won't hold my breath though ;)
Dee
DLyte99720
>but ive never gotten the impression that she is as evil as
>some people like to think.
*har har har* evil????? Oh me oh my......she's definetely not bad enough to be
Evil..........teehee
Dee
DLyte99720
>Dee,
> I understand what you mean... PK comes across as a bit (ok more than a
>bit)
>hostile, and I would consider her a first class bitch (which can be a good
>thing).
Absolutely.......I just suppose she's a bitch of a different color.
>But I think allot of what she puts out as being negative, is a cover up for a
>broken heart. I think she is truly saddened by Jim's death.
I would think so, come on now, has anyone really expressed joy in his death? I
would hope not.
And lets face
>it, the
>public has not been kind to her.
Why not? When did this start that the public has been unkind to her? It
exists for some reason................I'll suppose it's due to differing
perspectives. For some she speaks solid truths for others she seems utterly
transparent, and what's hiding behind that thin veil ain't pretty.
I have put myself in her shoes and tried to
>imagine what it would be like, and I think I might end up very much like her.
>Sounding angry, bitter, and cynical..
Hmmmmm......and thus lashing out with mental castrations upon all those that
would offer up opposing views? A bit harsh......and a bit beyond angry,
bitter, and cynical. I truly feel empathetic towards the ill-will that has
been geared towards here, but I'm certainly not empathetic towards the shit she
throws right back out at everyone.
Like I said in my post to Miz S. I
>don't care
>if any of you like her, I just have a gut feeling about her, and choose to
>give her
>the benefit of doubt.
As I don't care if any of you like her either....just sharing opinion
here........and I did choose to give her the benefit of the doubt......but my
gut always registeres the same reaction............nausea
I think she is ok in my book.. And I have not read
>any of
>her fantasy books, they are not my cup of tea.
Same here.....fantasy ain't my thang.
But I have read enough things
>written by her to see she is very articulate, and actually she is pretty damn
>funny... Just my opinion...
>
I would say the same....she is very articulate and I think she writes
*extremely* well......lets just not assume literate and intellect equals
good........well....in this instance it doesn't...and I don't know where those
negative feelings come from when I read her own words.........they just emanate
right from her writing. That's just the way I see it....that's my truth =)
Dee
NLbitch
Thank you Nothing.
Gentlrain5
i also agree very much so.
Miz Scarlett
>
>>Miz Scarlett wrote:
>>
>>> Jason Allen <jal...@idirect.com> wrote:
>
>etc etc.
>
>Miz, I am alarmed at the tremendously negative vibes that surround every post I
>read from you. Surely you must have some positive sides and it would only help
>you to display them. People who have a different opinion to you, which they are
>perfectly entitled to have, seem to be attacked by you. Whatever your view or
>anyone else's of PKM, posters should not be flamed in this disrespectful way.
>
>friend met PKM at a booksigning and found her to be a very witty, intelligent,
>strong ,passionate, talented and friendly woman who loved an incredible man and
>that is a great deal of what I and others admire about her.
>
>Trish, Jason, anyone else agree?
I don't know how I can make myself any clearer: my opinion of Patricia
is based on far more than a casual meeting at a booksigning, or reading
Strange Days, or her website. I don't *think* she's lying about her
relationship with Jim and what really happened between them--I *know* she
is.
If you're talking about my calling you "little Bitch," you will notice
the capital B -- as in proper name. What do you want me to call you?
And it really doesn't do to get pissy with someone on a regular basis and
then cry "foul" when they respond in kind...you know?
Fab521
> And finally, if P.K. really wanted to financially
>benifit from JM, she would have went ahead and had Jim's baby and reaped
>the financial gains of doing so.
You're assuming it was Jim's baby.......that's my first question.....
was it?
Second question....
Could it have been proven at that time? I don't think so........
>Instead, she conceded to Jim's wishes,
>and had an abortion during her 5th month of pregnancy, a very painful
>process physically and emotionally.
Jim told her that he would deny it.....and if she had the baby, that he would
never speak to her again.......that he wanted nothing to do with the
child......
She chose an abortion.
A baby wasn't going to get her Jim.
fab
Fab521
>I challenge anyone to read Kennealy's book, then Ray's, then tell me who
>more truly loved Jim.
>
>Any takers?
>
>
Ummmmm......... Ray?
fab
Fab521
>Things might just be about to get
>Western (as we say in these here parts).
>
Fab521
>But you seem to really dislike her ( I use to also) As you may
>know, the theme to most of my post are just due to curiosity, and that is the
>only reason I am asking.. Not looking for a flame war.. :o) Trish
Fab521
>Miz, I am alarmed at the tremendously negative vibes that surround every post
>I
>read from you. Surely you must have some positive sides and it would only
>help
>you to display them.
A little......um.......sanctimonious, nlbitch?
>Whatever your view or
>anyone else's of PKM, posters should not be flamed in this disrespectful way.
Should?
We have no rules here......
fab
Fab521
>i respect pkm very much.
>
>nothing
>
ok nothing........why?
And you can't use the fact that she makes brilliant use of her thesaurus....I
already said it....
fab
Fab521
>Thank you Nothing.
>
Hey, wait a second, nlbitch.....
Are you taking a head count?
I've never known nothing to want to be automatically included in a camp.....
nothing?
fab
Fab521
>...I suppose I'll just have to wait and see
>if she goes on tour anytime soon.........I won't hold my breath though ;)
>
>Dee
Deeeeeeeeee......
You know something?
Was that a *wink*?
fab
Fab521
>scary thing is that she mentioned somewhere that she retained their
>sheets so that she could scratch and sniff. Good grief.
>
>
Scratch & sniff Link?
Eeeeeeewwwwwww.
That's nasty Link. really.
fab, hoping this isn't true
Fab521
>> scary thing is that she mentioned somewhere that she retained their
>> sheets so that she could scratch and sniff. Good grief.
>
>
Ok, Link, sheesh.....
The visual was already there, thanks.
This is not a good thing...
fab, concerned
DLyte99720
>Deeeeeeeeee......
>You know something?
>Was that a *wink*?
>
>fab
>
>
Why Fab....you know I don't wink..that's only my eye twitching ;) <--ooo there
it goes
Dee
DLyte99720
>>scary thing is that she mentioned somewhere that she retained their
>>sheets so that she could scratch and sniff. Good grief.
>>
>>
>
>Eeeeeeewwwwwww.
>That's nasty Link. really.
>
>fab, hoping this isn't true
>
Quite a far cry from the 'Good Job!' stickers I got on my 2nd grade homework
that smelled like strawberries.....
Dee
DLyte99720
>Yeeee Hawwwww..... Ok I'll bite... I live in the wild wild west..... aka
>Tucson.... Ride em cowboy.... :o) Trish (as about as far as one
>could be from a cowboy.. hehe)
>
Since I've already reminisced about my strawberry stickers I might as well
mention that I surely did strut around in my cowboy boots (pig tails 'n all)
back in the day......and I'm when I was about 7.....couldn't take those things
off me even though there wasn't a ranch in site..........
The only thing I can't do is Yee-haw so I'll offer up one of maniacal
aey-yi-yi-yi-yi-ow-ow-owwwwwwws!
East Coast Cowgirl
Dee
Miz Scarlett
Uh,fab, that's just what Patricia says he said.
What she told me back in 1970 was a bit different: said he left it
completely up to her. Said he told her if she decided on an abortion
he'd pay for it (but don't remember her saying *anything* about him
offering to be there); if she decided to have the baby she'd better
realize that while it would change her life drastically, it probably
wouldn't change his any.
Remember thinking that was a remarkably diplomatic way of telling her he
wasn't going to be around.
He apparently told her the same thing (he wasn't going to be around) in a
number of other diplomatic ways as well--although it was obvious she was
refusing to hear was he was saying.
So what we have here is a woman who refuses to take no for an answer.
That can be an admirable trait, or it can be "Fatal Attraction"...& of
course, now he's dead she doesn't *have* to take no for an answer, does
she? ;-)
Jason Allen
> Besides..........how does the fact that Waylon is in the same band
> lend any
> credability to Cliff? Pleeeeezzze explain that one to me.
>
> Dee
I'm not saying Cliff is his son. But the fact that Robbie's son is in
the same band is at least a sign that the Krieger family doesn't think
Cliff is a total idiot, and that hey, possibly he may be JM's son. I
think all involved probably believe that Cliff really thinks he is Jim's
son, but nobody really knows for sure whether they are related.
Jay
Jason Allen
> As for your views about me, PKM is not my idol. I have idols for many
> reasons,
> mostly on a humanitarian level. I just take people as I find them in
> life. My
> friend met PKM at a booksigning and found her to be a very witty,
> intelligent,
> strong ,passionate, talented and friendly woman who loved an
> incredible man and
> that is a great deal of what I and others admire about her.
>
> Hi!,
I think your take on 'opinions' is right on. Hey, you and I may
disagree on something, but what makes this newsgroup maintain its
'freshness' is sound debate without fear of getting 'verbally' attacked
:).
I liked your particular story about PK at the booksigning. I know she
may not be as friendly on the street, but your friend's experience with
PK paralled why JM was so fond of her. She was an intelligent
,witty,person who proved to Jim that she was no bimbo. Far from it, Jim
knew that she was not just another 'groupie' who would do whatever he
asked.
Miz Scarlett
SHE says, Jason...SHE says. Jim is not around to say differently, is he?
But I am, Jason. And so is Ray. You are parroting what Patricia says as
if it were undisputed fact. It is not.
NLbitch
Fab, youre not the only one who hopes this isnt true...
NLbitch
ummmmmm Patricia - or was Ray gay?!!!
NLbitch
Not headcounting - just nice to be agreed with...
DLyte99720
>ummmmmm Patricia - or was Ray gay?!!!
>
OH why oh why must love be equated with sex?
Dee
DLyte99720
NLbitch wrote:
>Not headcounting - just nice to be agreed with...
Yes it is, sometimes that is the only thing people will accept.....agreement,
damn all the rest of the dissidents! ;)
Whatever happened to 'variety is the spice of life'?
Dee
DLyte99720
>>scary thing is that she mentioned somewhere that she retained their
>>sheets so that she could scratch and sniff. Good grief.
>>
>>
>
>Scratch & sniff Link?
>Eeeeeeewwwwwww.
>That's nasty Link. really.
>
>fab, hoping this isn't true
>
>
>
>
>
>
That's funny because I had just read someone mentioning that
recently.....something about listening to some radio station and hearing about
these sheets? Was that on this ng?
Dee
DLyte99720
>I'm not saying Cliff is his son. But the fact that Robbie's son is in
>the same band is at least a sign that the Krieger family doesn't think
>Cliff is a total idiot, and that hey, possibly he may be JM's son.
You get *all* that from them being in the same band together? Gee, I thought
that maybe they just enjoyed playing music together........
Still doesn't seem to make much sense to me........besides, read the post
informing us that Waylon only plays with Cliff 'on the side'....the man does
have his own band that he plays with........or does that mean that because he
doesn't give Cliff's band top priority there may be some doubt about believing
he may be Jim's son?
I just can't see any relation between those two factors......at all.....and it
makes me giggle to think some people do.......
Dee
themissinglink
>
> >>scary thing is that she mentioned somewhere that she retained their
> >>sheets so that she could scratch and sniff. Good grief.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Scratch & sniff Link?
> >Eeeeeeewwwwwww.
> >That's nasty Link. really.
> >
> >fab, hoping this isn't true
> >
>
(seems tactless to me to flaunt publicly such a "private" matter!)
oh well.
themiss...@my-dejanews.com
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nhaynes
That is pretty fucking stupid.
NLbitch
So's most of the stuff on the board!!!
Jason Allen
all.....and it
makes me giggle to think some people do.......
Well, if I have succeeded in anything on this topic, its that I'm making
you laugh. We need more laughter in this world. :)
Jay
Eric Melville
> Clinton
> >and claims they were married in a dark, back hallway of the White House
> dimly
> >lit by cigars.
>
> I don't think you'd be able to light those cigars somehow.
oh sure, go ahead and light them...
just don't inhale...
-E
Eric Melville
> mostly on a humanitarian level. I just take people as I find them in life. My
> friend met PKM at a booksigning and found her to be a very witty,
who's PKM? PKM?! PKM?
hahahahahaha.
-E
DLyte99720
>Well, if I have succeeded in anything on this topic, its that I'm making
>you laugh. We need more laughter in this world. :)
>
>Jay
>
>
Right on Jay.......laughing is such a wonderful thing, and never ever
overrated...thankee for da giggles.
Dee
Fab521
>Mostly the letter I got from her. I was not real kind with my presentation,
>of
>what I had felt about her in a letter I had written to her.. I think I used
>words something like "blood sucking parasite", to describe her. But told her
>I
>had read her book, and much to my surprise, I received a two page letter back
>from
>her. It was this letter that made me start to change my mind. In it I saw a
>real
>human, it was just the things she said, and the way she said them, that I
>began to
>change my mind about her..... Trish
>
>
Wow, Trish.
Must have been some kind of letter for you to go from "blood sucking parasite"
to kind of liking her.....
care to elaborate?
fab, amazed
Fab521
>she said they are for her private pleasure, unlaundered and in tact.
>(seems tactless to me to flaunt publicly such a "private" matter!)
>oh well.
Private pleasure.
Scratch & Sniff.
Aromatherapy.........
Geez Link, this is bad......I didn't want to know about this.....
This is really bad.
fab, wondering why Patty would have ever let this one *out of the bag*......
VARYKINA
>
>Jim told her that he would deny it.....and if she had the baby, that he would
>never speak to her again.......that he wanted nothing to do with the
>child......
>She chose an abortion.
>A baby wasn't going to get her Jim.
>
>fab
>
Vary>
>
WAIT4SUN
>So what we have here is a woman who refuses to take no for an answer.
>That can be an admirable trait, or it can be "Fatal Attraction"
I could see PK boiling Jim & Pams dog Sage in a pot of water in the kitchen...
DLyte99720
Atheme wrote:
>Thanks Dee,
> Thats all I wanted was your opinion.. :o) After reading your post
>though, I
>have to wonder??? Did you have some type of encounter with PK??
No I haven't had any type of encounter with her personally, only through her
writings.
The only
>real
>contact I have had with her, other that reading her books and her web page,
>is a
>letter I got from her. Mostly after that is when I started to change my
>opinion on
>her.
I have heard that she is very charming, and I won't consider myself one to deny
that she is very intelligent and articulate. I could see where personal
attention could change one's perspective, but I can only speak of what she puts
out there for the general public to view.........and you already know how I
feel about *that* =)
Bottom line is... none of this really matters.. only thing that
>mattered is
>Jim is who he was with the Doors and gave us some great music, and most
>important
>to me (one of) the greatest "word man" to ever walk the face of this
>earth....
>Trish
>
Ya know something Trish - I think you are absolutely wonderfully right!
Overall, I think that's the foundation of my opinion towards her, all I care
about are the Doors.........which, from my recollection (feel free to note the
sarcasm), is made up of Jim, Ray, Robby, and John. Now, *they* are where the
magic's at!
Dee
DLyte99720
Wait4Sun wrote:
>> Mz. Scarlett: So what we have here is a woman who refuses to take no for an
Oh myyy.......how terrible *chuckling up a storm!*
Dee
NothingV
>>Thank you Nothing.
>>
>
>Hey, wait a second, nlbitch.....
>Are you taking a head count?
>I've never known nothing to want to be automatically included in a camp.....
>nothing?
>
>
i didnt interpret her request for opinions to be an invitation to enter any
sort of cult [or camp.heh.]
i was just agreeing w/her thats all.
nothing