I hate Jim Morrison
Marc Sokolowski
I am sure I will get burned alive by flames after this post, but I
need to express some opinions I have about this so-called bunch of musicians
from this recently dug from the grave band called the doors. I like music in
all forms, yet I find the popularity of this band a bit unjustified in
comparison to some others.
Probably none of you ever heard of Joy Division, and the tragic story of its
singer, Ian Curtis, who I believe was way more talented than Jim Morrison,
gaining enormous fame in the late '70's during an extremly short carreer
(77-80, from 20 to 23 years of age) and killing himself as JD was going to
fly to the US to sign up with Warner Bros, their popularity skyrocketing by
the month. He couldn't possibly take drugs, as he was epileptic and taking
even aspirin could be fatal for him. And the fame of JD now is that of The
Doors, say, in 1983... All it takes is something like "Here are the Young
Men - The Movie" and we will all relive the punk and post-punk revolutions,
where gloom and doom was the norm and blackness the color of choice, as we
are now recreating (or trying to) the 60's. It took a movie, "The Doors"
right? As I recall, most of the modern critics and music historians are
quite divided whether or not Jimmy was talented. His influence on some of
the people I know, however is terrible. I knew some teenage girls who were taking
lsd and pot because of the movie and because Jim Morrison was doing it. I
think Oliver Stone was stupidly uncounscious that his masterpiece was
glorifying drug use... For me, JM is just a drug junky freaking out on a
more or less permanent basis who died out of total debauchery, and who's now
having a great influence on a whole generation of teenagers. I think
anybody can make the kind of poetry he did, including a computer program,
and their music was boring (especially the harmonium or whatever sound
that's making me believe I am in some 3rd class circus... for sure I can
recognize their music after 3/10 sec!).
Nobody cared when Ian Curtis hung himself. He was just a working
class lad that couldn't take anymore the strains of his collapsing marriage
and his illness. The lyrics of "Love will tear us apart" are unanimously
acclaimed as those of the single of the century (even by Rolling Stone, in
the issue of June' 80, the month after of his suicide). The Cure and U2 took all of
their influence from him. I think that's Art...
Why did I write here? Well.. convince me wrong. I am open to
anything, but I am afraid my reflexions are well thought about...
Marc
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"That's the price of love Marc Sokolowski
Can you feel it ma...@gauss.math.mcgill.ca
If we could buy it now
How long will it last" (NewOrder - World - Republic)
Dain C Landon
> I am sure I will get burned alive by flames after this post,
Hopefully not.
>Probably none of you ever heard of Joy Division
Wrong!
>singer, Ian Curtis, who I believe was way more talented than Jim Morrison,
Arguable.
> Why did I write here?
Good question, Now please leave. I really don't think our opinions are
going to sway someone who so easily uses the term "drug freak."
>"That's the price of love Marc Sokolowski
> Can you feel it ma...@gauss.math.mcgill.ca
> If we could buy it now
> How long will it last" (NewOrder - World - Republic)
Now, on a different note; has anyone seen the band The Back Doors; I saw
them twice- didn't really think they were impressive considering the only
imitator was the singer- the rest were just a group of rock players who
could definitely play, but they certainly couldn't have passed a five
foot, long curly haired dude off as Ray Manczareck. :) That was about 4
years ago, are they still around?
-dain
L.J. Greben
They came to Club Chameleon in Syracuse this summer (1993). Ann
Morrison, Jim's sister, was billed as lead singer. I didn't go see them
though, so I really don't know what they're about or how good they
are...
--- Laughing Eyes
24@Yun-Yung Jen
I think you made a conclusion too soon before you know the real enviro-
ment. I have listened the Doors since 1983 when I was 14 . After 2 years I love
Joy Division and enchanted by New Order and their children-- Revenge , The
Other two , and the Electonics . It is very hard to find their LPs and CDs in
Taiwan but I still get all the Joy Division incliding Peel Session - their live
performance on BBC radio show.
Though I am not low in mood as I was in 16 , but 2 band have accompanied
me for these years and share my emotion with their music.
So please do not say anything before you know the real circumstance in
you humble opinion. The world is larger than you can see.
Yun-Yung Jen
Kevin Palka
>
>Probably none of you ever heard of Joy Division, and the tragic story of its
>singer, Ian Curtis, who I believe was way more talented than Jim Morrison,
>gaining enormous fame in the late '70's during an extremly short carreer
>(77-80, from 20 to 23 years of age) and killing himself as JD was going to
>fly to the US to sign up with Warner Bros, their popularity skyrocketing by
Well, Marc, I won't flame you. I'm a big JD fan and a big JM fan. I have a doors poster right next to my closer poster. But how can you possibly compare the two bands? They are worlds apart. Ian committed suicide....a tragedy for sure,
but in a sense it also gives his music a certain eloquence and power. You
understood that he wasn't trying to pull any of the punk showmanship. But I think the same can be said of Morrison....the man was truly intelligent, and his
decadence added something to the music. He lived his music, just like Ian.
>even aspirin could be fatal for him. And the fame of JD now is that of The
>Doors, say, in 1983... All it takes is something like "Here are the Young
>Men - The Movie" and we will all relive the punk and post-punk revolutions,
>where gloom and doom was the norm and blackness the color of choice, as we
As one of the gloom n' doom alt.gothic crowd, I think you maybe should
realize that the Dark Element is still around.....
No movie, please. I agree that the movie started a comeback, and glamorized theband. BUt the doors have always been popular, and for every pseudo fan, I'm sure there are ten real fans.
> Nobody cared when Ian Curtis hung himself. He was just a working
>class lad that couldn't take anymore the strains of his collapsing marriage
>and his illness. The lyrics of "Love will tear us apart" are unanimously
>acclaimed as those of the single of the century (even by Rolling Stone, in
>the issue of June' 80, the month after of his suicide). The Cure and U2 took all of
>their influence from him. I think that's Art...
Imitation is not the most sincere form of flattery. The Cure? U2? Look at those bands now....everything Joy Division was NOT about. Selling out.
Don't try to compare the two bands. They are both unique, probably impossible to compare, and from two very different periods of time. Ian is dead, but the music lives. Ditto for the Doors......
"Direction not so plain to see
A loaded gun won't set you free...." -JD
"Before I slip into the Big Sleep
I want to hear the scream of the butterfly...." JM
-KEVIN-
darren wilson
I was a part of the apocolyptic movement in the early 80`s. I did think it a
tragedy when Ian died. At that time I was in a band. We did all the
punk/newwave covers and our own original brand of "Fuck You" rock -n- roll to.
On top of this our band did Doors covers. I don't see how you can damn JM
while thinking so highly of JD. I agree that JD and Ian Curtis didn't get the
same attention but does that really matter? It's the content within not the
appearance without that counts. I think JM was the original "Apocolyptic Punk".
D. Wilson
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Greetings from 2015. I think you are way off base here. First off, I am a huge Curtis fan but to call Morrison nothing more than a drug freak keep this in mind: Jim Morrison was Ian Curtis's hero so you have no idea what you are talking about. I love JD but to dismiss the Doors is very myopic.