Iggy Pop & Ray Manzarek Material?
Decophile
recorded some material, mostly cover materail, and did one live
performance in L.A. with the New York Dolls for the Death Of Glitter
show. Does anyone have or know of any studio recordings or a recording
from this performance?
Gene
TODD TAMANEND CLARK
>
> Iggy Pop and Ray Manzarek of The Doors got
> mostly cover material, and did one live performance
> in Los Angeles with the New York Dolls for the
> "Death Of Glitter" show.
They also did a Doors tribute show with The Phantom
around the same time.
> Does anyone have or know of any studio recordings
> or a recording from this performance?
If you find ANY recordings of Iggy And Ray together,
please keep me informed, as I have been searching
a long time for this type of material myself.
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> please keep me informed, as I have been searching
> a long time for this type of material myself.
> Shamanic Poet/Electronic Composer/Cultural Guerrilla
>
Decophile
<tama...@charterpa.net> wrote:
>> Decophile wrote:
>>
>> Iggy Pop and Ray Manzarek of The Doors got
>> together in 1974 and recorded some material,
>> mostly cover material, and did one live performance
>> in Los Angeles with the New York Dolls for the
>> "Death Of Glitter" show.
>
>They also did a Doors tribute show with The Phantom
>around the same time.
>
>> Does anyone have or know of any studio recordings
>> or a recording from this performance?
>
>
>If you find ANY recordings of Iggy And Ray together,
>please keep me informed, as I have been searching
>a long time for this type of material myself.
WOW, at least I found someone who knows what I`m talking about. Most
people think I`m on drugs when I talk about Iggy, Ray and The Phantom.
I`ll keep you in mind though.
Cheers.
Gene
blinki...@earthlink.net
it. I've also talked to drummer Terry Rae , who recorded with Manzarek for a
time mid-late '70's. Again nothing.. But niether one is Manzarek , and it
would appear he's the only one who really knows.. Still searching(and
hopeful) to...Mike
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TODD TAMANEND CLARK
> blinki...@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> I grilled Robbie Krieger about this 10-12 years ago.
> He knew nothing about it. I've also talked to drummer
> Terry Rae , who recorded with Manzarek for a time
> Manzarek , and it would appear he's the only one
There were photographs of the Manzarek/Iggy/Phantom
Doors tribute concert at the Whisky published in Creem
Magazine in 1974.
I presented Ray with an autographed copy of my first
published book of poetry before he played a show in
Cleveland in March of 1975, when he was on his solo
tour for "The Golden Scarab" album. We spent the
time between the afternoon soundcheck and the
evening concert discussing many things including
why the band with Iggy never got off the ground.
Ray said that, in that phase of his life, Iggy couldn't
cope with the rigors and responsibilities of touring.
(I know this to be accurate because I had personally
witnessed Iggy perpetrate some pretty self-destructive
back stage behaviors myself.)
A couple of years later, when Iggy did finally get it
together to tour, he asked David Bowie (who is nowhere
nearly as accomplished on keyboards as Ray) to play
keys in his new band, and this hurt Ray very deeply.
Neil12874
>From: "TODD TAMANEND CLARK" tama...@charterpa.net
>Date: 6/8/01 12:49 PM Central Daylight Time
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Danny Sugerman said in an issue of Goldmine, that Iggy and Ray rehearsed some
new material during that period. The only songs Danny could remember was on
about fight off sharks with toothpicks, another one about the bus line Iggy
took to Ray's house, and "Amoog's Cafe" (I think that's what it's called) it
was about the same restaurant that inspired "Soul Kitchen"
Neil
Bruce Coryell
John Becker
>> Decophile wrote:
>>
>> Iggy Pop and Ray Manzarek of The Doors got
>> together in 1974 and recorded some material,
>> mostly cover material, and did one live performance
>> in Los Angeles with the New York Dolls for the
>> "Death Of Glitter" show.
>
> They also did a Doors tribute show with The Phantom
> around the same time.
>
> Doors tribute concert at the Whisky published in Creem
> Magazine in 1974.
>
includes a picture of Ray Manzarek, Iggy Pop, and The Phantom taken when
Ray and his band played The Whisky in L.A. I've always wondered where it
came from. I just posted it to alt.binaries.music.the-doors . Is this
what was published in Creem? Do you have the Creem magazine, and if so
which issue is it?
Has anyone ever figured out who The Phantom was? I've heard speculation
that it was Iggy, but the photo of The Phantom with Iggy disproves that
theory.
In the VH-1 Behind The Music episode on Iggy, there is a segment where
Danny Sugerman talks about the time when he was Iggy's manager, right in
this time period. There are a couple of pictures shown of Danny, Iggy
and Ray Manzarek sitting together.
The credits on the jacket of the Phantom's Divine Comedy LP include
"Produced for Hideout Productions" and "A Hideout Records & Distributers
Inc. Production". Hideout Records was a Detroit-area label which was
involved with some of Bob Seger's early work. Iggy was also from that
area (Ann Arbor).
My guess is that The Phantom idea was cooked up by Ray, Danny and Iggy.
The Phantom was someone Iggy or Ray knew, possibly someone that was in
one of their bands at the time. Ray and Iggy probably also played on the
record. Can anyone provide more info about the identity of the players
on this album?
John
indianswirl
About 4 or 5 years ago, Iggy Pop made an announcement stating that HE
was the Phantom. I figured this would be common knowledge to anybody
interested in the mystery of Phantoms Divine Comedy...
indianswirl
DOGGYMOJO
The only thing I can ad is Ray on Dave letterman in 1983 (on to plug Alive She
Cried) was asked by Dave...
Dave "Did you ever think of replacing Jim after he died?"
Ray "...we thought of a lot of people, Iggy Pop, and Mick Jagger, but he
already had a job..."
He turned it into a joke but maybe the Iggy stuff was a half truth?
He went on to say "Morrison is Morrison no one can replace him..."
Doggy
Decophile
>
>Danny Sugerman said in an issue of Goldmine, that Iggy and Ray rehearsed some
>new material during that period. The only songs Danny could remember was on
>about fight off sharks with toothpicks, another one about the bus line Iggy
>took to Ray's house, and "Amoog's Cafe" (I think that's what it's called) it
>was about the same restaurant that inspired "Soul Kitchen"
>
>Neil
The latest Goldmine has a great article about the Phantom project that
answers a lot of questions. According to Manzarek, the band didn`t so
much fall apart than Manzarek was edged out. The material Iggy had
wrote simply had no use for a keyboardist of Manzarek`s caliber.
But Manzarek never goes into exactly what the material Iggy was
working on was. Only that it was late '74-'75.
This leads me to think that it was what was to become Kill City. I
have a bootleg LP from '83 containing some out takes/alternate
versions from Kill City that dates from '75.
The tracks are:
I`m Sick Of You, Tight Pants, I Got A Right, Scene Of The Crime,
Gimmie Some Skin.
I`m sure these tracks have appeared on dozens of CDs by now but I`ve
never been able to find anything that included Manzarek nor can I find
any live performances of Phantom.....especially the Oct. 11, '74 Death
Of Glitter show at the Hollywood Palladium. (It was loosely portrayed
in the Velvet Goldmine movie.)
I just know this show HAD to have been recorded by someone.
Gene
Neil12874
>Date: 6/9/01 8:45 PM Central Daylight Time
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Maybe I'm wrong, but wern't the songs you mentioned demos for the 4th Stooges
LP? Except for "Tight Pants" which was changed to "Shake Appeal" for the Raw
Power album.
Another question I have is who was in the band for the Pallidium show? (Is that
the show were Iggy kicks a woman in the ass and knocks her off the stage?) From
what I understand it was James Williamson on guitar, Ray on keyboards, and on
bass and drums were two guys who went on to form Blondie. But I also heard that
Hunt and Tony Sales were the ryhtmn section. What really sucks is that both Ray
and Iggy wrote a book, but neiether one of them mention that show. The only
place I read about it was in the Goldmine artcle and what Danny could remember.
I've been interested in this time period for years, which brings me to one last
question how come Danny stopped managing Iggy's career?
Neil
Decophile
>Maybe I'm wrong, but wern't the songs you mentioned demos for the 4th Stooges
>LP? Except for "Tight Pants" which was changed to "Shake Appeal" for the Raw
>Power album.
You`re probably right. My info comes from the boot LP I mentioned and
we all know how accurate those can be. ;-) Side two is lifted directly
off the K.C. album.
>Another question I have is who was in the band for the Pallidium show? (Is that
>the show were Iggy kicks a woman in the ass and knocks her off the stage?) From
>what I understand it was James Williamson on guitar, Ray on keyboards, and on
>bass and drums were two guys who went on to form Blondie.
>But I also heard that
>Hunt and Tony Sales were the ryhtmn section.
The originals line up was suppose to be:
Iggy vocals, Ray keyboards, Nigel Harrison (of the glam band
Silverhead) on bass, Dick Wagner (of Lou Reed & Alice Cooper) on
guitar and Gary Mallaber (of Beach Boys, America, and Gene Clark) on
drums.
But by the time the show rolled around, Wagner was under contract to
tour with Reed and couldn`t make it and was replaced by James
Williamson. Then Mallaber backed out and the Sales brothers were
brought in.
>What really sucks is that both Ray
>and Iggy wrote a book, but neiether one of them mention that show. The only
>place I read about it was in the Goldmine artcle and what Danny could remember.
>I've been interested in this time period for years,
Articles on the show occasionally popped up in Circus magazine and
Rolling Stone but there never seemed to be enough info on it and it
remained an enigma for decades until the Death Of Glitter scene in the
Velvet Goldmine movie rekindled my interest.
The Goldmine article is the first relevant info to come along so far.
>which brings me to one last
>question how come Danny stopped managing Iggy's career?
Probably because Iggy was a complete basket case at that point. He was
bordering on death much of the time and this was also portrayed in the
V.G. movie.
Gene
John Becker
> About 4 or 5 years ago, Iggy Pop made an announcement stating that HE
> was the Phantom. I figured this would be common knowledge to anybody
> interested in the mystery of Phantoms Divine Comedy...
>
closely, although I do like his music. Was this statement published in a
magazine somewhere?
Check the picture I posted yesterday in alt.binaries.music.the-doors .
It is a Xerox someone sent me years ago of a picture of Ray Manzarek,
Iggy, and The Phantom from the concert they did at the Whiskey.
I'd like to find out where it was originally published.
Given the fact that the Phantoms Divine Comedy LP was intended to be a
mystery, I could easily believe that Iggy was The Phantom on the record,
but they might have used someone else as a stand-in at the concert to
preserve the secret.
I'm going to go out later today and get the latest Goldmine to see the
article people are talking about.
John
Leo Gelderland
It was Henk Poort, his stand-in was Ben Cramer.
You know Ben: Zai zai zai zai
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Aaron Milenski
> indianswirl wrote:
> > About 4 or 5 years ago, Iggy Pop made an announcement stating that HE
> > was the Phantom. I figured this would be common knowledge to anybody
> > interested in the mystery of Phantoms Divine Comedy...
> >
> I wasn't aware of that. I don't follow what's going on with Iggy that
> closely, although I do like his music. Was this statement published in a
> magazine somewhere?
It is common knowledge amongst people who haven't done their research
and believe anything they read. He was not Iggy, and anyone who hears
it can tell it isn't. The band was originally called Walpurgis, and
their manager and Capitol Records created the mystery, probably
because they realized how much the singer sounded like Morrison. The
Iggy rumor was just another hoax, maybe one to spur interest in the
rerelease of the album. The singer's real name is Tom Carson.
Leo Gelderland
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