Patricia Kennealy
Secret alphabet
wasn't she?
secret alphabet
ARIADNE..The Goddess
Secret alphabet <secreta...@aol.com> wrote:
> I just finished reading Strange Days, so what do you all think..was she or
> wasn't she?
I read the book and visited her website: http://www.lizardqueen.com
The first time I knew of her existance was from the Stone bullshit movie,
and was glad to see her book appear afterwards.
I must say that she is pretty damn defensive, but I don't blame her. She has
been ridiculed, and blown off by people who didn't know anything of Jim's
personal life to judge. I believe that they did actually marry, and that Jim
loved her, as well as Pamela.
As far as whom he would have chosen, will never be confirmed, by Jim's
sudden demise. The question that bothers Me is this, why should we give a
shit? Who Jim was in love with was his business and the business of the
people involved. I am not a "Pamhead" as Patricia calls Doors fans, who
support Pamela, and I am no "fan" of Patricia, either. I only give Patricia
the respect of her right to his name, by referring to her as Patricia
Kennealy Morrison, since there was a wedding ceremony.
I don't care if the marriage was not licensed by the American Government,
or that it was not a "traditional" marriage ceremony. The fact is that there
were vows and rings exchanged, signatures made by all involved. That's good
enough for Me to believe that Patricia is Morrison's widow, and not just
some woman Jim shagged with in NY.
The Goddess......
NLbitch
wasn't she?
this refers to what? gimme a clue b4 i can answer
Wait4sun1
>were vows and rings exchanged, signatures made by all involved. That's good
>enough for Me to believe that Patricia is Morrison's widow,
So, if you took that high school, "child developement class" where 2 students
get married, then they are actually really married??..Interesting...
mike
ARIADNE..The Goddess
Wait4sun1 <wait...@aol.com> wrote sarcastically:
> So, if you took that high school, "child developement class" where 2
students
> get married, then they are actually really married??..Interesting...
>
> mike
Missed that class, you have your opinion, I have mine. If Morrison was
married to Pam, Patricia, or if he was gay, I don't give a shit. All that
matters to Me, is his art.
The Goddess..........
Anne277919
>get married, then they are actually really married??..Interesting...
>
>mike
Ha! Mike, I like you!! :-)
Riot Grrrrl
".I ask becuase I'm a real cunt in spring....."
cecrle
>
>Wait4sun1 <wait...@aol.com> wrote sarcastically:
>
>
>> So, if you took that high school, "child developement class" where 2
>students
>> get married, then they are actually really married??..Interesting...
>>
>> mike
>
>married to Pam, Patricia, or if he was gay, I don't give a shit. All that
>matters to Me, is his art.
But wouldn't you agree that interpretation of his art is directly
enlightened/enhanced/influenced by such details of his life? It could
give clues as to what certain songs "mean" or are "about", how Morrison
felt about certain issues and ideas, etc.
So while I agree that it's certainly not a huge deal, I still find such
matters interesting....even if i haven't taken the trouble to wade through
all the soap-opera info on the subject...
-FC
Tarlesio
>>
read the thread....
tarlesio
Tarlesio
been ridiculed, and blown off by people who didn't know anything of Jim's
personal life to judge. I believe that they did actually marry, and that Jim
loved her, as well as Pamela.
I agree with you Goddess, but I think she must learn to be more
tolerant..However her accusation of Pamela's responsibility in Jim's death is
pure stupidity and bitterness. She needs to get a clue..Harm none indeed.
tarlesio
Vengefulwitch
>pure stupidity and bitterness.
I personally agree w/the theory, in part. If Pam hadn't had her heroin laying
around....
And PKM can be whatever she wants to-bitter, spiteful, whatever you want to
call it. Stupidity, tho'? IMHO, I think not.
Peace-
Angi
"The only completely consistent people are the dead" Aldous Huxley
lytm...@my-deja.com
Hey there Angi
I completely agree with you. Pam should have not had her smack laying
around!!! I would be pissed too if I was PKM, she thinks Jim is in Paris to
start a new life, not have Pam end it for him! Pam was too irresponsible to
take care of Jim, he was better off without he
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Before you buy.
ARIADNE....The Goddess
<lytm...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:8as3s5$jah$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Well why didn't she call a doctor then, it wasn't a matter of being afraid
of
> Jim, come on now! Every chance she got she demeaned Jim in any way she
could!
> She was either nodding out, too stoned to pick up the phone or was out
with
> the French count getting her rocks off! Every one is still on this Jim and
> Pam fantasy shit! Get over it! He was even thinking about leaving Paris to
> get away from her again! I think one reason he stayed with her was he felt
> obligated and felt sorry for her, cause let's face it, if he would have
left
> her, Pam didn't have nothing to fall back on, no work skills, no
education. I
> think Jim cared for her at one time, but like everything else it all gets
> old. Poor Jim having the life sucked out him....... And another thing,
you're
> quick to say that it was Jim's own fault, but you sure protect someone
that
> probably more than likely contributed to his demise and his death. GET
OVER
> THE PAM FANTASY!!!!!!!!!!!!
Personally, I never had a Jim and Pam "Cosmic Mates" fantasy. Everytime I
thought of Jim being with anyone, the woman would be Me.
The Goddess..............
baudela...@my-deja.com
> > >However her accusation of Pamela's responsibility in Jim's death is
> > >pure stupidity and bitterness.
> >
> > I personally agree w/the theory, in part. If Pam hadn't had her
heroin laying
> > around....
> > And PKM can be whatever she wants to-bitter, spiteful, whatever you
want to
> > call it. Stupidity, tho'? IMHO, I think not.
>
>
> I completely agree with you. Pam should have not had her smack laying
> around!!! I would be pissed too if I was PKM, she thinks Jim is in
Paris to
> start a new life, not have Pam end it for him! Pam was too
irresponsible to
> take care of Jim, he was better off without he
&&&If I can interject a note here...I am by no means a Pam fan, nor am
I one of Patricia's by default either, but I do think it's unfair to
blame Pam for having her heroin around. Here's why: No one,
especially Pam (or so it seems to me), was particularly adept at
telling Jim Morrison what to do or not to do. I think it's a safe bet
to believe that he knew it was heroin and chose to put it up his *own*
nose, of his own volition. I think if it were just a case of "Pam left
her heroin out and Morrison took it," Kennealy wouldn't be one-half as
pissed as she is.
Unfortunately, I think there's more to it than that. According to her
own police statement, Pam noticed Morrison was having trouble breathing
(in fact, he sounded like someone was choking him, in Pam's words), and
was vomiting "uniquement du sang" -- only blood -- the night that he
died. Normally, wouldn't someone call a doctor immediately? Even if
the other person told you not to do it, that he would be fine, etc.?
Wouldn't you normally say, "Fuck you, I don't care what you're saying,
you're not well, and I'm calling a doctor NOW"? Wouldn't you normally
do that even if you knew that his problem was a heroin overdose?
That's the issue I think sticks in Kennealy's craw -- Pam didn't do any
of those things. She fell asleep instead. When she woke up, Morrison
was dead, or nearly so.
Now, if Pam was telling the truth -- namely, that Morrison told her he
would be fine, etc. -- then I think it's right to hold her only
partially to blame. She should've blown off his orders and called a
doctor, sure, but there are a lot of women out there who don't have the
balls to stand up to their boyfriends or husbands and do that. I think
Pam falls into that category to a certain extent. However, if she just
simply nodded off, then I think she's far more culpable in Morrison's
death.
Nevertheless, the bottom line is that he put the smack in his own nose,
and probably more than once. As much as it might be fun to blame Pam
for this, or to hotly defend her against the ball of bitterness that is
Patricia, I think we've got to assess what we know of Morrison's death
and try to look at things objectively.
Naturally, that's just my opinion...
Seaghnaid
take care of Jim, he was better off without he >>
yes, but Jim was a big boy....he wasn't dependant on Pam...He knew what she was
before he took her to Paris....
tarlesio
Seaghnaid
>>
and a fair one...pfeff
lytm...@my-deja.com
Jim, come on now! Every chance she got she demeaned Jim in any way she could!
She was either nodding out, too stoned to pick up the phone or was out with
the French count getting her rocks off! Every one is still on this Jim and
Pam fantasy shit! Get over it! He was even thinking about leaving Paris to
get away from her again! I think one reason he stayed with her was he felt
obligated and felt sorry for her, cause let's face it, if he would have left
her, Pam didn't have nothing to fall back on, no work skills, no education. I
think Jim cared for her at one time, but like everything else it all gets
old. Poor Jim having the life sucked out him....... And another thing, you're
quick to say that it was Jim's own fault, but you sure protect someone that
probably more than likely contributed to his demise and his death. GET OVER
THE PAM FANTASY!!!!!!!!!!!!
K. Warner
Were you there?
KW Krammerhead III
Seaghnaid
THE PAM FANTASY!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
dawn- you are usually more open minded than this..The thing we have to remember
is that Jim had used herion before that. It is a well known fact..(only once or
twice though)
And again Pam did'nt put it up his nose. Im not a pamhead by any means, I found
her to be lazy and pathetic but she DID NOT STICK THE HERION UP JIM'S NOSE. He
knew what is was, he's been around drugs enough. He didd what he did. And why
didn't he go to a doctor?? He wasn't stupid. Im not defending anyone..just
saying it wasn't anyones fault. He did what he did. And that won't ever change,
cuz he's gone now...
But to blame another person for one's drug use, isn't fair..we are all
consenting adults...yes even Jim
pfeff
LtMyFire67
>From: seag...@aol.com (Seaghnaid)
Pfeff!!!!!This isnt me!!! another light my fire...mine is aol!!!
xoxoxo
dawn
Wait4sun1
>Jim, come on now!
She didn't call a doctor b/c she didn't speak french.
Mike
Vengefulwitch
PKM...however, if the accounts given are true, perhaps something could have
been done, had someone been called. C'mon, Pam could've called Alain Ronay or
someone else they knew who spoke English and then gone from there.....I
personally think she was on the nod.
Another however-something I found to be quite bizarre was that I recently had
my birthday. My boss, knowing that I am a Doors fan, bought me a book-PB's
"ADAD"....I about dies laughing because I had always told Ms PB that I would
get to read her book w/out spending a dime on it. So, I indulged myself in her
realm of fantasy last wkend. The thing relating to this topic is: PB states
over and over that Pam never used heroin until after Jim's death. Okaaaaaay,not
buying, but what about all those people who actually did it with her or
witnessed it? They've certainly talked about it, I've read accounts.
Just a thought.
BTW-I thoguht the book was a trivial piece of fluff. Nice pics.
Seaghnaid
ok got ya!
pfeff
lytm...@my-deja.com
Who the hell is Dawn? You don't know me.......but I heard about you.
Seaghnaid
>>
ohhhhhhhhh....am I supposed to be scared?
lytm...@my-deja.com
>> ohhhhhhhhh....am I supposed to be scared?>>
Ohhhhhhh I dunno, should you be?
DOGGYMOJO
dead. I love Jim's music and words but the guy made his OWN bad choices and if
you really think Pam killed him it was his choice to be with her. Jim wanted to
live his life on the edge and he fell off that edge. This idea that Pam should
have "taken care" of him is silly. How does a heroin addict take care of an
alcoholic? This all sounds like Clinton's America "if you do not like
reality...blame someone." Just like the people who smoke for 20 years then want
to sue the tobacco companies. Who put the gun to there heads and made them
smoke? I just saw a 1937 Three Stooges short where they were sponsored by a
fake sponsor "Coffin Nail Cigarettes." But no one knew smoking was bad for you
back then right? Fact is life is unfair and hard anyone who tells you other
wise is out to scam you...
LtMyFire67
>From: lytm...@my-deja.com
>Date: 3/17/00 1:00 AM Eastern
>Who the hell is Dawn? You don't know me.......but I heard about you.
>
uh...that's me. My email address is LtMyFire67@aol...
Pfeff confused you & I.
I'm not sure what you heard but Pfeff is great. Good writer as well...
Dawn
LtMyFire67
>From: seag...@aol.com (Seaghnaid)
>Date: 3/16/00 10:22 PM Eastern
><< This isnt me!!! another light my fire...mine is aol!!! >>
>
>
>ok got ya!
>pfeff
>
PFEFF my dear, how the hell are ya??
I read your article, pretty good. Not too impressed with Wild child,eh?
That picture of them....humm, Dave Brock kinda looks like Steven Tyler, no?
Dawn ; P
baudela...@my-deja.com
lytm...@my-deja.com wrote:
&&&First of all, CALM DOWN. I believe I *also* mentioned that she was
afraid of being hauled in by the cops. I believe that's a reasonable
fear. Moreover, I also made it very clear that I felt she was to blame
for nodding off -- which I mentioned -- and for not having called them
when Morrison was vomiting blood and having trouble breathing.
Frankly, it seems to me as if your preconceived notions are affecting
your perceptions of what I said. I'd like to suggest that you read the
statement I made again.
> Well why didn't she call a doctor then, it wasn't a matter of being
afraid of
> Jim, come on now!
&&&See what I said above, AND see what I said before. I said myself
that it wasn't merely a matter of being afraid of / intimidated by
Morrison.
Every chance she got she demeaned Jim in any way she could!
> She was either nodding out, too stoned to pick up the phone or was
out with
> the French count getting her rocks off!
***Actually, I tend to agree, although I think the first idea you
offered is the most plausible of the three.
Every one is still on this Jim and
> Pam fantasy shit! Get over it! He was even thinking about leaving
Paris to
> get away from her again! I think one reason he stayed with her was he
felt
> obligated and felt sorry for her, cause let's face it, if he would
have left
> her, Pam didn't have nothing to fall back on, no work skills, no
education. I
> think Jim cared for her at one time, but like everything else it all
gets
> old. Poor Jim having the life sucked out him....... And another
thing, you're
> quick to say that it was Jim's own fault, but you sure protect
someone that
> probably more than likely contributed to his demise and his death.
***Please point out in what way I "protect[ed]" her. How? By saying
she failed to call the police or an emergency service when it became
obvious he was suffering from CNS depression? If that's what you
consider protection, I hope you won't consider calling on me to defend
you in court anytime soon...
GET OVER
> THE PAM FANTASY!!!!!!!!!!!!
&&& *sigh* Somewhere, Janet is laughing her ass off at this...
baudela...@my-deja.com
&&&I guess you are! I know I was quivering in my boots just by reading
that threatening statement!! EEK!! Pfeff, protect me/us/yourself! ;-)
baudela...@my-deja.com
Still, I'd have to agree. Although I personally have no respect for
Courson or her memory, I'm forced to admit that Morrison was capable of
making his own decisions and *could have chosen* to do any of the
following:
1. Not go to Paris with her,
2. Leave her after he got there,
3. Not help pay for her heroin (How else but with Morrison's money does
one imagine she procured it?),
4. Not do it himself.
5. Called "18" (the Paris equivalent of "911") himself when he found he
was vomiting blood.
He simply did not choose to do any of the above. For all of the
Kennealy supporters who say, "He felt guilty! He remained in this
relationship out of a sense of obligation and guilt!" I'd have to say
that I agree -- and yet, that doesn't prevent someone from making the
final break with someone else and not living with them in Europe for
several months. For all the anti-Pam individuals who say, "He was
going to break up with her! He was going to change his will!" the only
thing I have to respond is this: He didn't. Perhaps it's true, perhaps
it isn't. What is demonstrably true, though, is that he chose to
follow her to Paris, take the heroin, and die. Yes, I believe he could
have been saved with prompt medical attention. Yes, I believe Pam is
responsible for nodding off and not getting him that attention.
Nevertheless, we're still left with the fact that Morrison was a
remarkably willful individual with a mind of his own and the
intelligence to see that there were other choices he could have made.
He chose, for whatever reason, not to make them. He's responsible.
Not entirely, no, but responsible nevertheless.
I'd like to add this: to put the blame for his death entirely on Pam is
to give her far more power over Morrison than she ever truly had --
indeed, the power of life and death. Are you willing to say that?
Seaghnaid
aw shucks, twernt nothin....;-)
pfeff
Seaghnaid
> >>
believe me Baud, she is laughing!
pfeff
Seaghnaid
> >>
get behind me , get behind me...har har....(yes I believe Janet is still
laughing!!!!!)
K. Warner
>
> In article <20000317011342...@ng-fn1.aol.com>,
> seag...@aol.com (Seaghnaid) wrote:
> > << You don't know me.......but I heard about you.
> > >>
> >
> > ohhhhhhhhh....am I supposed to be scared?
>
> &&&I guess you are! I know I was quivering in my boots just by reading
I myself crapped my pants when I heard that statement. I'm just glad
she hasn't heard about me!
KW Krammerhead III
Seaghnaid
she hasn't heard about me! >>
Don't worry Kw I'll protect you! har har
pfeff
K. Warner
Thanks! This newsgroup is dwindling down rapidly on its own without
people jumping out of the shadows and knowing who we are!
KW Krammerhead III
Seaghnaid
>>
Sadly I must agree.
Pfeff
baudela...@my-deja.com
disguised...Perhaps that comment someone made earlier about 90% of the
posters here being the same person wasn't all that far off the mark.
Seriously, though, I found that person's accusations to be ironic in
the extreme, given that I've been so virulently anti-Pam in the past.
Well, I sure hope Janet got some good chuckles out of it...;-)
Secret alphabet
> THE PAM FANTASY!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
I think perhaps you are living your own fantasy honey...
I suggest before you hurl stones our way, check your facts...
secret alphabet
Secret alphabet
Courson or her memory, I'm forced to admit that Morrison was capable of
making his own decisions >>
Thanks for being so patient...you are one of the voices of reason..
secret alphabet
Seaghnaid
I suggest before you hurl stones our way, check your facts...
secret alphabet
>>
snerk....:-)
pfeff
lytm...@my-deja.com
kwa...@infoserve.net wrote:
> Seaghnaid wrote:
> >
> > << I'm just glad
> > she hasn't heard about me! >>
> >
> > Don't worry Kw I'll protect you! har har
> > pfeff
>
> Thanks! This newsgroup is dwindling down rapidly on its own without
>
> KW Krammerhead III
>
Have you ever thought it is dwindling because of all of you, who sit around
and conjure up senseless and meaningless posts?!!!
K. Warner
KW Krammerhead III
lytm...@my-deja.com
This sounds very similar to something on a doors message board, let me think
of the title.........oh yea Interpretation of The End, Part I and II which I
found to be very....let me see how shall I say it.....boring....yea that's a
good word....BORING
tigerlily22
She was either nodding out, too stoned to pick up the phone or was
out with the French count getting her rocks off!>>
<<***Actually, I tend to agree, although I think the first idea you
offered is the most plausible of the three.>>
Are you guys forgeting who we're talking about here?? Jim Morrison! I
mean, come on!...why is it that everyone gets their undies in a twist
over Pam using some heroin when we all know that Jim was probably one
of the biggest drug and alcohol consumers in the whole goddamned
history of the world! No one seems to make too big of a fuss over
Jim's excesses...he was out there getting his "rocks off" just as much
if not WAY more that Pam.
Jim slept with so many women, it's sickening...yet whose the
whore?...Pam. It's ok for Jim to fuck everything, but Pam, no, she's
not allowed without being called a whore.
And please don't argue that heroin is WAY worse than LSD or alcohol.
Drugs are drugs. Pam and Jim were both deep in addictions and needed
some major help.
K. Warner
>
> <<Every chance she got she demeaned Jim in any way she could!
> She was either nodding out, too stoned to pick up the phone or was
> out with the French count getting her rocks off!>>
>
> <<***Actually, I tend to agree, although I think the first idea you
> offered is the most plausible of the three.>>
>
> Are you guys forgeting who we're talking about here?? Jim Morrison! I
> mean, come on!...why is it that everyone gets their undies in a twist
> over Pam using some heroin when we all know that Jim was probably one
> of the biggest drug and alcohol consumers in the whole goddamned
> history of the world! No one seems to make too big of a fuss over
> Jim's excesses...he was out there getting his "rocks off" just as much
> if not WAY more that Pam.
> Jim slept with so many women, it's sickening..
> whore?...Pam. It's ok for Jim to fuck everything, but Pam, no, she's
> not allowed without being called a whore.
>
> And please don't argue that heroin is WAY worse than LSD or alcohol.
> Drugs are drugs. Pam and Jim were both deep in addictions and needed
> some major help.
>
Actually I live 30 minutes from the heroin capital of North America.
Heroin IS way worse than LSD or booze.
Krammerhead
mizsca...@hotmail.com
> This sounds very similar to something on a doors message board, let me
think
> of the title.........oh yea Interpretation of The End, Part I and II
which I
> found to be very....let me see how shall I say it.....boring....yea
that's a
> good word....BORING
Yeah, well you would, wouldnya? Having the IQ of a box o' rocks as you
obviously do...
****
So Baud, I'm trying to laugh but it ain't easy. Jeez Louise I'm tired of
this bullshit...
Okay, for the zillionth time:
(1) Patricia Kennealy is a liar and a fraud, and if Jim were alive today
she'd be in a cell, padded or otherwise.
(2) Pamela Courson had nothing whatsoever to do with Jim's death. She
wasn't even there. Jim OD'd at a rock nightclub where he'd gone to buy
heroin for them both.
(3) So Angi, Ariadne, LMF, NL--read "Ballroom Days" yet?
--J.E.
LtMyFire67
>From: mizscarlett43@hotmail
>(3) So Angi, Ariadne, LMF, NL--read "Ballroom Days" yet?
>
>--J.E.
Yes, I did read " Ballroom Days" a few months ago when the DCM came out. It was
great to read what I felt was someone being honest about their realtionship
with Jim Morrison, the truth for a change.
( aside from Judy Huddleston's book, which was also came across very honest &
sincere)
I thought I read a post on here some time ago that you were writing another
article for the DCM. Is that true?
Dawn
Vengefulwitch
>>
>>--J.E.
Yes I did. I actually have a printed copy. I am with holding opnion, for fear
it may incriminate me.
Peace-
Angi
"The only completely consistent people are the dead" Aldous Huxley
NLbitch
>From: mizscarlett43@hotmail
>(3) So Angi, Ariadne, LMF, NL--read "Ballroom Days" yet?
>
>--J.E.
Yup JE sure have...
NLx
mizsca...@hotmail.com
ltmyf...@aol.com (LtMyFire67) wrote:
>
> Yes, I did read " Ballroom Days" a few months ago when the DCM came
out. It was
> great to read what I felt was someone being honest about their
realtionship
> with Jim Morrison, the truth for a change.
> ( aside from Judy Huddleston's book, which was also came across very
honest &
> sincere)
> I thought I read a post on here some time ago that you were writing
another
> article for the DCM. Is that true?
> Dawn
Actually it was that other, come-lately LMF I was baiting, the one who
seems to have swallowed Patricia K's story whole and presumes to tell
y'all How It Was and Is.
But thanks for the kind words, Dawn, I appreciate it.
As for me writing another article for DCM, I think you're probably
thinking of Salli Stevenson's expose of Linda Ashcroft and "Wild
Child," which Angi reviewed under another thread and for which she
posted the URL. I did some very minor editing on it but 99% of the
effort is Salli's, and Angi's right, Salli did a great job.
BTW, for those of you unfamiliar with Ashcroft's story, she copped 85%
of it from PK and has an even more grandiose ego [!], claiming to have
inspired and/or CO-AUTHORED many of Jim's songs and poems, and of course
she picked up PK's loathesome accusation that Pam let Jim die and ran
with it, claiming (in the original, UK version of the book at least)
that Pam told her she let Jim die because the last thing he gasped as he
collapsed was--you got it--Ashcroft's name!
She also claims to be the "L.A." of L.A. Woman, and here I thought all
this time that it was Los Angeles. Silly me ;-)
Sigh...
tigerlily22
> Actually I live 30 minutes from the heroin capital of North America.
> Heroin IS way worse than LSD or booze.
>
> Krammerhead
>
Sorry you live so close to that. In no way do I deny the deadliness
that is heroin, but alcohol wrecks a lot of lives and families and
kills a lot of them too. In a way, I was trying to point out that
addiction to ANY drug is a serious thing.
tigerlily22
85% of it from PK and has an even more grandiose ego [!], claiming to
have inspired and/or CO-AUTHORED many of Jim's songs and poems, and of
course she picked up PK's loathesome accusation that Pam let Jim die
and ran with it, claiming (in the original, UK version of the book at
least) that Pam told her she let Jim die because the last thing he
gasped as he collapsed was--you got it--Ashcroft's name!>>
LOL! Geez, what is it with these women?!
I seriously do think that PK suffers from Narcissistic Personality
Disorder.
K. Warner
>
> > Actually I live 30 minutes from the heroin capital of North America.
> > Heroin IS way worse than LSD or booze.
> >
> > Krammerhead
> >
>
> Sorry you live so close to that. In no way do I deny the deadliness
> that is heroin, but alcohol wrecks a lot of lives and families and
> kills a lot of them too. In a way, I was trying to point out that
> addiction to ANY drug is a serious thing.
>
I understand. Anyway thirty minutes away is a whole different world.
Krammerhead
mizsca...@hotmail.com
tigerlily22 <tiger...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> LOL! Geez, what is it with these women?!
>
> I seriously do think that PK suffers from Narcissistic Personality
> Disorder.
...among other things ;-)
I like what Baudelaire said about her once: that she has a "huge, tiny
ego," or something like that. [Hope you don't mind me quoting you, Baud,
it's a great line.]
I think most of us have huge, tiny egos to some degree or other--I
certainly do--but PK's is WAY out of control, and I swear I think
Ashcroft's is even worse. I mean, at least PK actually knew the man, and
truly did inspire a coupla poems--just nowhere near as many as she wants
us to think.
baudela...@my-deja.com
>
> BTW, for those of you unfamiliar with Ashcroft's story, she copped 85%
> of it from PK and has an even more grandiose ego [!], claiming to have
> inspired and/or CO-AUTHORED many of Jim's songs and poems, and of
course
> she picked up PK's loathesome accusation that Pam let Jim die and ran
> with it, claiming (in the original, UK version of the book at least)
> that Pam told her she let Jim die because the last thing he gasped as
he
> collapsed was--you got it--Ashcroft's name!
&&&Yeah, that part made me choke and puke. My God, I didn't think it
would be possible, but Linda Ashcroft's done it. She's combined PK's
hubris with a Butlerian sense of delusion. I've never read a book so
dull, not even "Middlemarch." It's the only Morrison book I've never
been able to read cover to cover, but could only skim through. I hope
that booksellers shelve this tripe where it belongs: in the romance
novel section.
>
> She also claims to be the "L.A." of L.A. Woman, and here I thought all
> this time that it was Los Angeles. Silly me ;-)
>
> Sigh...
>
baudela...@my-deja.com
>
> LOL! Geez, what is it with these women?!
>
> I seriously do think that PK suffers from Narcissistic Personality
> Disorder.
>
them...) was her absolute astonishment at how Kilmer and Ryan never
even bothered to consult her...the QUEEN...during the movie. Come on!
They're actors, for Chrissakes. They probably neither knew nor cared
who she was, and the reason why they didn't fall all over her seems
pretty obvious to me.
baudela...@my-deja.com
>
> I like what Baudelaire said about her once: that she has a "huge, tiny
> ego," or something like that. [Hope you don't mind me quoting you,
Baud,
> it's a great line.]
&&&No, I don't mind; I'm flattered.
>
> I think most of us have huge, tiny egos to some degree or other--I
> certainly do--but PK's is WAY out of control, and I swear I think
> Ashcroft's is even worse.
&&&Well, it's a brush I'm tarred with too. I think we all tend to see
ourselves as the star of our own lives; our primary narcissism was the
first way (and for many of us, the formative way) in which we saw the
rest of the world: our egos are like that drawing of New York City
from "The New Yorker" in which Manhattan looms large and the rest of
the world gradually diminishes into irrelevancy somewhere far along the
horizon.
However, there seems such a vacillation in Kennealy between the
completely grandiose and the completely insecure that reading some of
her more outrageous diatribes leaves me feeling like I'm biting on
tinfoil. Come ON..."DAME" Patricia Kennealy? Who the hell would want
to be knighted? Who the hell in the year 2000 would really take this
seriously? As far as I know, she wipes her ass, farts, and picks her
nose just like the rest of us do -- WITHOUT the benefit of gold-plated
toilet paper.
I mean, at least PK actually knew the man, and
> truly did inspire a coupla poems--just nowhere near as many as she
wants
> us to think.
>
Anne277919
>>
>> Krammerhead
>>
No it isnt. Nothing does more to every part of the body faste rthan alcohol. It
is the the most toxic drug there is. You can't die from withdraw of heroin, as
you can with alcohol.
Riot Grrrrl
".I ask becuase I'm a real cunt in spring....."
Seaghnaid
you can with alcohol.
>>
wanna bet? I have been through detox of both, herion detox can kill
you....check your facts...
pfeff
K. Warner
>
> >Heroin IS way worse than LSD or booze.
> >>
> >> Krammerhead
> >>
>
> No it isnt. Nothing does more to every part of the body faste rthan alcohol. It
> you can with alcohol.
>
It's also easier to withdraw from heroin than it is nicotine. Doesn't
mean that people should choose heroin over cigarettes. Not to mention
that it's a whole lot harder to OD on alcohol as it is on heroin.
If I used heroin as I've used alcohol over the years I'd be dead.
KW
Seaghnaid
this is soewhat true, but as I stated before I have gone through herion
withdrawls, and it's as close to death as I ever want to get...besides the fact
that it take 3 different drugs to get you off .
pfeff
tigerlily22
seag...@aol.com (Seaghnaid) wrote:
> << You can't die from withdraw of heroin, as
> you can with alcohol.
> >>
>
> you....check your facts...
> pfeff
>
Hmm...that's interesting. I've never heard of anyone dying of heroin
withdrawal, but I guess anything's possible. I do know that one can
die from certain prescription drug withdrawal, I believe barbituates
are the worst.
tigerlily22
Hehe...I don't recall wallowing around on the floor in my own vomit
when I gave up the cigs, but quiting IS a major bitch.
baudela...@my-deja.com
kind words...I don't think I deserve them, but thanks anyhow!
PepRmntMiniskirt
>From: mizsca...@hotmail.com
>Date: 3/22/00 8:4
>Actually it was that other, come-lately LMF I was baiting, the one who
>seems to have swallowed Patricia K's story whole and presumes to tell
>y'all How It Was and Is.
>
Oh, I guess the "other come lately LMF" hasn't read Balroom days...she'll
WAKE-UP!??
<<But thanks for the kind words, Dawn, I appreciate it.>>
No thank you's necessary...It was a great story. &&& it was great you shared it
with us... You didnt kiss & tell, like your style Scar.
>As for me writing another article for DCM, I think you're probably
>thinking of Salli Stevenson's expose of Linda Ashcroft and "Wild
>Child," which Ang>>>
Opps!, my mistake. I meant Interview...I know SS wrote the article. I agree,
she did a nice job with both Ballroom Days & Wild Child ...
She dated Jim as well?
Dawn
Seaghnaid
she did a nice job with both Ballroom Days & Wild Child ...
She dated Jim as well?
Dawn >>
yes but dawn, salli didn't write Ballroom Days, Scar did.
and Salli did have a relationship with Jim as well.
pfeff
K. Warner
>
> <<It's also easier to withdraw from heroin than it is nicotine.>>
>
> Hehe...I don't recall wallowing around on the floor in my own vomit
> when I gave up the cigs, but quiting IS a major bitch.
>
> Before you buy.
Hey thats just what I read!
KW
PepRmntMiniskirt
>From: seag...@aol.com (Seaghnaid)
>yes but dawn, salli didn't write Ballroom Days, Scar did.
>and Salli did have a relationship with Jim as well.
wait a sec, I thought Scar said Salli wrote 99% of the article? I know it's
Janets story- I guess for whatever reason I thought Salli interviewed Janet...
Either way it was still a great read.
Dawn
Vengefulwitch
on the DCM site.
Really, this is from people who were there.
Seaghnaid
Either way it was still a great read.
Dawn
>>
nope Janet wrote the whole thing..yep great read.
pfeff
Seaghnaid
mistake
on the DCM site.
Really, this is from people who were there.
Peace- >>
I don't know where you get this angi, because the DCM acknowledges Salli, as
does Danny and Scar and many others...
pfeff
Manolito Lujan
children. The music is never over!!!!!!! Mojo Lives
tigerlily22
> >
> > <<It's also easier to withdraw from heroin than it is nicotine.>>
> >
> > Hehe...I don't recall wallowing around on the floor in my own vomit
> > when I gave up the cigs, but quiting IS a major bitch.
> >
>
>
> KW
>
I am assuming you are talking about "Stone Alone"? If you are, how did
you like it?
mizsca...@hotmail.com
vengef...@aol.com (Vengefulwitch) wrote:
> I heard Salli DID NOT have a "relationship" with Jim at all. It was a
mistake
> on the DCM site.
> Really, this is from people who were there.
So Angi, I see you're taking everything with a grain of salt as always.
Seriously, girl, what's the matter with you? Don't you think it's just a
tad hypocritical to be advising people to take what everyone *else* says
with a "grain of salt" all the while you're swallowing these anonymous
allegations against Salli as gospel truth? Does it make you feel more
important, more like a player, to let these backstabbing bitches use you
to do the dirty work they don't have the guts to do themselves?
Oh yeah--if your primary "source" is who we think she is, she's not only
a friend of Butler's but a fantasist in the Ashcroft/Kennealy mold who's
been the laughingstock of the L.A. rock community for over 30 years.
And what the heck is the "mistake on the DCM site" supposed to mean?
For those of you whose reading comprehension could stand some
improvement, Salli Stevenson wrote the INTRODUCTION to Ballroom Days (my
article) and ALL of the Ashcroft article that's currently on the DCM
website, and if memory serves, she says nothing about her own personal
relationship with Jim in either piece.
Sheesh....
--J.E.
Seaghnaid
relationship with Jim in either piece.
>>
you are right she does not.
synde
lytm...@my-deja.com
Tiffany, whatever you want to call yourself now! You get pissed off
(sounds more like jealousy to me) when anyone likes Kennealy. But you
want us all to read and believe your Ballroom Days bullshit huh? No one
else can write a book but you huh? Is that what you are saying. PK
didn't have a relationship with Jim, LA didn't have a relationship with,
but you and SS did? HA HA HA HA Come lately huh? I think you are the
come lately around here and probably in LA with Jim. I think you were a
leftover, an easy piece. Catch my drift? The only way I would read your
book is if you gave it to me. So what other bullshit are you gonna throw
our way now. Huh? Gonna tell me I have an IQ of a box of rocks? Well go
ahead, I have been reading the shit that has been posted here, how many
followers do you have now? Or are you just suffering through mid-life
crisis? JUST LIKE JIM SAID, YOUR BALLROOMS DAYS ARE OVER BABY! No but
you can't do it with grace huh? You have to constantly knock down what
anyone says, you have to lie and be a bitch about it. That is very sad
Janet, very sad. You know you think you would want to protect Jim, but
all you are doing is ripping his memory apart. Let the man rest in
peace, and you know what it doesn't matter anymore anyway. I suggest you
get a life and
Seaghnaid
Tiffany, whatever you want to call yourself now!>>
<<You get pissed off
(sounds more like jealousy to me) when anyone likes Kennealy. >>
I don't think sh eis pissed off, but being used by Pk seems to be a typical
trend in the PK lifestyle, many of us are "survivors " of her(PK)abuse.
<<Is that what you are saying. PK
didn't have a relationship with Jim, LA didn't have a relationship with,
but you and SS did? HA HA HA HA Come lately huh? I think you are the come
lately around here and probably in LA with Jim. I think you were a leftover, an
easy piece. >>
Speaking of jealousy..And at least Jim didn't scream in her face, I never want
to see you again, like he did PK!
<< you have to lie and be a bitch about it. >>
That is very sad>>
speaking again of lyiing and being a bitch. My only loyality is to the truth
which has been very elusive ever since I met PK. But you my dear are acting
much like Pk herself, with a little dash of butler thrown in?
pfeff
lytm...@my-deja.com
and JE like to talk a lot of shit, so come on now and back it up. You're
not saying why! But of course what will I get? Let me see JE telling me
come lately and box of rocks again or something demeaning about PK. So
go ahead, I'm waiting..............
lytm...@my-deja.com
What a lovely compliment!
PepRmntMiniskirt
>From: lytm...@my-deja.com
>Date: 4/5/00 12:57 PM Easter
>Well tell me then pfeff, how did PK abuse you and your friend here? You
>and JE like to talk a lot of shit, so come on now and back it up. You're
>not saying why! But of course what will I get? Let me see JE telling me
>come lately and box of rocks again or something demeaning about PK. So
>go ahead, I'm waiting..............
>
Just an observation...
I'm really not trying to be a wise ass here,honest ( don't get offened) but-
Is this the way it was with all the women who knew Jim & where "there" while he
was alive? <smile> Holy shit!
I guess Jim wasn't kidding when he told dear Link he had a "harum" or
something to that effect...
All kidding aside, It's pretty apparent Pam, Scar, SS, JH,& whoever else all
loved the man...& yes PK too. No argument there right?
& so.... No reason to let the claws come out. Each girly here know's what kind
of relationship they really had with Jim Morrison. &&& if they did really have
any kind of ship' with the man, who do they need to prove it too? It'd be nice
to just hear each womans story without the insults & bullshit-( and if anyone's
lying ,it's only to themselves,no?) Maybe that's why SS never felt the need to
tell her story. She may get scratched.
* hey Pfeff, maybe it's a good thing you were only 10 & not 20 back then,eh?!
Dawn
Vengefulwitch
Yes, actually I am. That is why my original quote said "I HEARD....SS blah,
blah, blah" and wasn't busy saying "I'm right, I'm right, I'm right"
>Seriously, girl, what's the matter with you? Don't you think it's just a
>tad hypocritical to be advising people to take what everyone *else* says
>with a "grain of salt" all the while you're swallowing these anonymous
>allegations against Salli as gospel truth?
Not much the matter w/me. I think I'm capable of thinking for myself. I'm not
"swallowing anonymous allegations" at all. Just letting other people know that
everything they read isn't always true.
>Does it make you feel more
>important, more like a player, to let these backstabbing bitches use you
>to do the dirty work they don't have the guts to do themselves?
>
Excuse me. No one is using me to do their dirty work. I know a LOT more than I
would ever spill here on this ng or anywhere else. Not my nature. I also
haven't come down on you EVER, so I don't see what your problem is with me,
other than I occasionally contradict what you say. Oh, and I reserved comment
on your "piece"..."Ballroom Days". Big deal. Maybe I didn't want to comment on
it. So?
>Oh yeah--if your primary "source" is who we think she is, she's not only
>a friend of Butler's but a fantasist in the Ashcroft/Kennealy mold who's
>been the laughingstock of the L.A. rock community for over 30 years.
Ummmm, no friend of Butler is a friend of mine! LOL! That woman hates my guts.
I'm not especially fond of her, either. Why would I ever be friends w/one of
her friends? And I don't know a single person in LA. Never been to CA in my
life, don't know anyone personally or via Internet who is in LA.
And who's the big "we"? Been discussing anything I've said on here w/your
friends? LOL. Pitiful.
I know SS did the intro for your "piece". I know she never mentioned her
"relationship" in it. So? What does that mean?
I don't understand why you are busting my chops over this comment. I was
passing a bit of info I had HEARD along.
Talk about "sheesh"....
Seaghnaid
passing a bit of info I had HEARD along.
Talk about "sheesh"....
Peace-
Angi >>
playing devils advocate here, I believe that Scar was replying to an old post,
where you did bust her chops a bit...
I think that everyone has "their" own idea of what happened, but the VERY SAD
part is that most of these people never new Jim. I mean I met him twice, but I
never Knew him. Salli, Scar, Link, and yes even PK knew him. Maybe the latter
name less than she pretends to, but nevertheless she knew him. So if you are
getting you info from someone who can't prove they KNEW jim I think you should
think twice and post once(thanks cat for those words of wisdom once upon a
time). It will save us all emotional trauma.
pfeff
Seaghnaid
then,eh?! >>
you bet!!!!SHeesh..But on some level you are right Dawn.
This is because Jim was different with each one..It seems that both Salli and
J.E knew the same person(Jim)Other accounts from women seem to vary greatly..I
dunno what can I say. I know what I believe, but again thank the gods I was
just a kid...
pfeff
Vengefulwitch
>post,
>where you did bust her chops a bit...
Show me the post, please.
>So if you are
>getting you info from someone who can't prove they KNEW jim I think you
>should
>think twice and post once(thanks cat for those words of wisdom once upon a
>time). It will save us all emotional trauma.
It is someone who has a ton and a half of proof that they knew Jim. I never
said it wasn't anyone who coud "prove it".
lytm...@my-deja.com
have nothing to back it up?
Seaghnaid
have nothing to back it up?
>>
I sent you an email off line about it, despite what you think of me, I WILL NOT
drag PK's personal life through the mud.
pfeff
Seaghnaid
said it wasn't anyone who coud "prove it".
Peace- >>
I understand....I can't show you the post because I don't archieve them, but if
you do, just look back. Again I am not in Scars mind, so I can't answer for
her, but merely suggest what I think she meant. Truly jim did have a harum and
I don't think even he knew the extent of it... Many of us have gotten flamed by
misunderstandings, perhaps you too have been flamed by mistake, perhaps not. I
dunno. Im only saying that if you are postivily sure then get on with your bad
self, if not think carefuly. I have been flamed so much im a charcol burquette,
so....whatev...
pfeff
mizsca...@hotmail.com
Salli Stevenson (a) "changes her story depending on who she's talking
to" and (b) "DID NOT" (your caps) have a "relationship" (your quotes)
with Jim.
I wonder what makes you think you have any right to judge any of us? You
weren't there, you didn't know Jim, you have never even met any of us
face to face, you just said yourself you've never even been to
California...heck, for all I know you weren't even BORN in Jim's
lifetime.
Yet you--and your very silly friend LMF--seem to feel that you are
qualified to judge who's lying and who's not, even who really mattered
to Jim and who didn't.
Only Jim can say who really mattered to him, and ONLY those of us who
were actually there and participated in the events in question are
qualified to judge who's lying and who's not.
****
Now, Pfeff still has some sympathy for Patricia Kennealy. I do not.
Patricia Kennealy is a vicious, truly evil woman, full of rage and
hatred towards virtually everyone, even--ESPECIALLY--towards James
Douglas Morrison, the man she claims to love.
In fact Patricia Kennealy is incapable of love. She is a sociopath who
views other people simply as pawns to be used by her and then discarded
when they've served their purpose. She has been exploiting her very
brief relationship with Jim for years for her own self-glorification,
for money, and most of all, I think, for revenge. She has aimed her
venomous lies against anyone she suspects made Jim happier and about
whom he cared more, and that includes just about everyone else in his
life. Of course Patricia knows it--that's the real reason she's so very,
very angry.
And if indeed you have read Ballroom Days then you have seen how she
used me and how she used--and continues to use--Jim Morrison. You have
also seen that--unlike PK--I make no claims whatsoever as to my own
importance in Jim's life. You might even have noticed that--again unlike
his self-proclaimed "widow"--I don't patronize the man, nor is there any
of the barely-concealed rage towards him that is often to be found in
Kennealy's "memoir."
But then I genuinely loved him, and I still do, and if you think for ONE
SECOND that I'm going to sit by and let Patricia Kennealy slime his
memory--and Pamela's--with her venom and her truly colossal ugliness of
spirit then you had best think again.
And if you have indeed read Ballroom Days and continue to believe and to
identify with Patricia Kennealy then I pity you.
*****
> It is someone who has a ton and a half of proof that they knew Jim. I
never
> said it wasn't anyone who coud "prove it".
A "ton and a half" of proof they knew Jim? Exactly what are you calling
"proof" and--again--what makes you think you're qualified to judge? And
once more I ask why this person is hiding behind your skirts, and why
you're allowing her to do it?
--J.E.
mizsca...@hotmail.com
lytm...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Well tell me then pfeff, how did PK abuse you and your friend here?
You
> and JE like to talk a lot of shit, so come on now and back it up.
You're
> not saying why! But of course what will I get? Let me see JE telling
me
> come lately and box of rocks again or something demeaning about PK. So
> go ahead, I'm waiting..............
Okay, so putting your IQ at the level of a box o' rocks was a tad
excessive.
Let's just say you're as bright as you are personable and leave it at
that, shall we? ;-)
lytm...@my-deja.com
oozing out of my computer screen as I read that post!!!!!
Well here is a another come lately post from a silly friend!
True we were not there, never met Jim, I can't speak for Jim and who he
loved. However you got to look at the facts and I think you know what
they are JE. I think this is just a grudge you have held for many years
againest PKM, and I do think it's time to put it aside and go on with
your life. I mean how long can this possibly go on JE, ask yourself
that. The question I want answered is: Why do I have to believe what you
say in Ballroom Days? Why is it so wrong to respect and admire a woman
that DID take vows with Jim, and did love him and never once tarnished
his image. Answer that for me JE. Or are you going to come out with a
flame thrower again?? You know something else, this is not even really
about Jim anymore, it is jealous women tearing at the very soul of this
precious man. I never saw one time where PKM said anything bad about
Jim, never. I would be angry too if the man I loved died in a far land
in the care of someone that was supposed to be his "cosmic mate". But I
won't go there again, or I will be here all night posting my feelings on
that subject. So let's get to the real shit and honor Jim again, without
him none of you would be here to tell your "stories".
PS Pfeff, thanks for the email.....you didn't run PKM's personal life in
the mud here on the public ng, but you sure did it with a complete
stranger in an email. Shows how trustworthy you are.
Vengefulwitch
Ms. Erwin-I am not "judging" anyone. That is not my place in this world to be a
judge of anyone, for anything. As I have stated over and over, I am merely
letting people know that there are MANY different sides to these tales of Jim.
Yes, I didn't know him...I was born during his lifetime-I'm not some young
naive idiot just blindly believing everything I hear. I am also not a bitter
woman who had some brief fling w/Morrison and feels fit to call it a
"relationship". Please. There are too many of you out there, and, as attractive
as Jim was, I wouldn't have slept with him for a minute. I have a little more
respect for my self and my friends.
You told your tale in "Ballroom Days.." It doesn't necessarily mean it is
completely true and accurate...merely your perception of the time period you
are speaking of. Just as everyone's stories and books are THEIR perceptions. Or
blatent lies. Everyone seems to have a Jim story or something they want to tell
and their reasoning is their own. I read 'em all and then some. My nature is
more along the lines of an "archivist". I like to store the info, compare the
info. If I have a bit of "insider" info, it doesn't make me a "player" or an
"insider". I wouldn't want to be one.
>In fact Patricia Kennealy is incapable of love. She is a sociopath who
>views other people simply as pawns to be used by her and then discarded
>when they've served their purpose....blah blah,blah <<snip>>
Now who is the one being vicious and judgemental? How many yrs since you spoke
to her? Why do you feel it necessary to demean yourself with the ugly words
about PKM? Do you truly want to appear bitter? That is how it shows to many
people. Maybe you should be a bit more gracious and say NOTHING when it comes
to that...some sort of pleading the fifth?
I'm sure you'll come back with much more to say to me.
Flame away, if it makes ya feel better. I have a life outside of Jim & the
Doors. I don't have time to be belittled for only telling other sides of the
stories.
lytm...@my-deja.com
Tell you what JE, tell me where I can find a copy of your perceptions of
what happened in that time period where you were "with" Jim. (Ballroom
Days) I'll give it a read, haven't read something funny in a long time
since I've read ADAD.
I will be more than happy to read it, but you know after I do, I'm
probably going to come back here and share my thoughts. So you gonna
tell me where I can find it or are you gonna completely ignore this post
cause you know I will comment?
Utterly sincere,
LMF or as you know me Come lately, Box of Rocks
Seaghnaid
the mud here on the public ng, but you sure did it with a complete
stranger in an email. Shows how trustworthy you are. >>
how true, im so unwilling to take abuse from some little pissant like you who
accuses me of making stuff up. I dammed if I don, kor if I don't...Glad your so
understanding..Hey quick call her up and tell her!!!!
pfeff
lytm...@my-deja.com
> how true, im so unwilling to take abuse from some little pissant like
you who
> accuses me of making stuff up. I dammed if I don, kor if I
don't...Glad your so
> understanding..Hey quick call her up and tell her!!!!
> pfeff
>
Little Pissant, oh how cute!!! I think I like that name even better than
come lately and box of rocks! What I'm saying is you're willing and
ready to trash someone and talk shit about them to a person you don't
even know. You seem like a person that would be very hard to trust and
to confide in, cause hell if you get mad you might post personal
information all over the damn internet!!!!!!
Now who did you want me to call again?
LMF aka Little Pissant with a box of rocks who comes lately
Seaghnaid
I guess scar was right about the box of rockss comment, since after reading a
very plain email you could not figure out...Maybe you should print it
out...snerk
pfeff
ARIADNE....The Goddess
finally figured out who lurks here in this ng. I never met Jim Morrison,
never fucked him, wasn't in love with him, didn't "know" him, and certainly
do not have an experience to sell in a book.
I knew Morrison screwed around, and I find it humorous to see the mess that
has resulted from his personal life. It is very sad to think that there are
women, besides PKM, that feel the need to be recognized as one of Morrison's
past paramours. This is extremely bad taste. Considering that he is now
deceased, and his sex life is being used to earn recognition, and money. I
wonder if like Kennealy, the rest of you, who "loved" Morrison, have failed
to find new relationships, and move on with your lives. I cringed at Grace
Slick's promotion of her book, "Somebody To Love", by making the media
rounds telling the audience of her "Strawberry Fuck" with Morrion while on
the Airplane-Doors European Tour in 1998. I read and discarded the lame
attempt by Butler to use Courson, as a venture to make money off of
Morrison's legend. Now we have a "Ballroom Days", and a skeptical reflection
from a Laura Ashcroft. This is rediculous. Last week, I saw the posts from
Scarlett directed to Me, to emphasize her opposite viewpoint of PKM. I
ignored them, I did not feel the need to argue over the subject matter. Now
I see why Scarlett disliked PKM, because Scarlett was one of the many women
that according to PKM, Jim "whored" with. I said in a reply to a sarcastic
post, that who Jim fucked or loved, was of the least importance to Me--it is
his art--the way it should be. It still is. It is so easy to make these
claims, true or false, because the subject--Jim, is not here to defend
himself.
Jim was one of the sexiest, and intelligent men who ever lived. I can
understand the need to be associated with him. I do admit that I envy those
of you who knew or met him, whether by 2 simple meetings (pfeff), or had
spent intimate time with him (Scarlett, and whomever else). If I had a
relationship with him, it would be a personal private reflection, of the
PAST, not to be shared with the public. Jim was intelligent, but had bad
taste in women, obviously--from Courson, on down the list. I am just
imagining late 40 something-to- mid 50-something older women, sitting around
bickering over Jim. It's a damn shame. It's hilarious.
Your market for your books and "pieces", are the fans of The Doors. What do
you hope to accomplish with this? What rung on the "Doors Circle" totem pole
are you trying to achieve?
Unfortunately, history will only link Courson to Jim, which is not fair,
considering that he was involved with many. A harem, is not something I
personally would want to be linked to, considering that harems are generally
a group of women to be used for pleasure. So while the cat fighting
continues, keep in mind that those who manage to read this ng, or read those
books, will just see the continuously surfacing "harem", as just Jim's
former "lays" trying to make a quick buck, while the topic is hot. Instead
of fuming at PKM, you should be grateful that she turned the "cosmic mate"
legend on it's ear. If PKM had remained silent, none of you would have had a
market of interest for a book. By the way -- which one of you gave birth to
Clifford Morrison? Or is that another harem "member" with a possible book in
the works?
The Goddess........
Vengefulwitch
Nicely put.
Seaghnaid
Clifford Morrison? Or is that another harem "member" with a possible book in
the works? >>
no one on this list gave birth to Cliff. He is a close personal friend, and yes
I guess you could say yet another harem member. However her voice remains
silent, for this very reason.(flaming from PK)
pfeff