When did the first "Techno" come out?
FlobiRobi
out first. When did the very first "techno" come out? Did it come after or
before "pop"? Am I asking a really dumb question and sounding like a complete
moron?
Thanks!
-Just Another Techie
Cybertron
that had this same type of sound, and not only from Detroit. Hashim, Nitro
Deluxe from cutting records NYC were also doing tracks like this, but they
were officially called Hip Hop or Electro Hip Hop. Even though, yes, Clear
is Atkins 1st ground breaking track, I'd put a concerted effort to make
"Techo" more towards the mid to late 80's. "The Sound" by Esp (Sauderson)
is more Techno than House. I'd say music from that time forward should
officially be known as "Techno".
Nes :)
Robert Mashlan wrote in message
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>flob...@aol.com (FlobiRobi) wrote:
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>>I was in heated debate with a friend of mine as to which types of music
came
>>out first. When did the very first "techno" come out? Did it come after or
>>before "pop"? Am I asking a really dumb question and sounding like a
complete
>>moron?
>
>Pop means popular music. Pop has been around ever since music could
>be mass-produced.
>
>The ground zero of techno is a track called "Clear" by Cybotron
>(Atkins and Davies) in '84.
>
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Robert Mashlan
THE ONE
renewed flame war with this question.
First, the three schools of thought from techno historians. The legend
of techno accepted by most is that techno was created by Detroit music
scene in teh ealy 90s and Cybotron's "Clear" (1883), which was a club
and R&B radio hit, was the first "techno" song. Others argue that the
much bigger hit by rapper Afrika Bambatta's "Planet Rock" (1981)was the
first to combine electrofunk with mechanical beats while many European
technophiles dismiss both theories as American revisionism and say
techno has a much earlier birth with Kraftwerk in the mid 1970s.
Now, my theory from a down-to-earth layperson. First techno song: 808
State's "Cubik" (1989) which was part of the bleep and bass movement by
UK musicians to emulate the Detroit sound. First HUGE club and radio
hit that had the label "techno" attached to it: "Good Life" by Inner
City. But this track sounded so house-like and techno wasnt seen as
distinct form in teh late 1980s by the masses since many of the first
hits were sort of hybrids (Technotronic, MARRS, Snap). There is no
"real" agreement on what the first commercial "techno" radio hit was
but Id say that KLF "3 AM Eternal", even though it had a rap, was the
first time that a big radio and club hit had a TOTALLY different feel
to it than house. It was a Top10 hit here in the USA. Then I heard
808 State's "Cubik", which was a minor alternative rock radio hit here
in Los Angeles (KROQ-FM), and it ARRIVED!! That sound. The harshness.
The choppy sharp riffs! The wailing divas! So mechanical, so
sexual...at the same time!!! Although this track has obvious guitar
samples, the same riff approach is what most laypeople think of
"techno".
That harshness thrived for the next 3 years as hardcore techno reached
a mass audience in the UK and Europe and spawned the rave scene in the
USA. Since 1993, "techno" has splintered to mean different things to
different people so I suppose the first "techno" song really depends.
But there are some theories.
Tell us who won the argument?
Jay
desol
dream in the '60s. Kraftwerk cited them as an inspiration.
Please email a response to Des...@hotmail.com
Robert Mashlan
>There is much debate over the first "techno" track so you may start a
>renewed flame war with this question.
>
>First, the three schools of thought from techno historians. The legend
>of techno accepted by most is that techno was created by Detroit music
>scene in teh ealy 90s and Cybotron's "Clear" (1883), which was a club
>and R&B radio hit, was the first "techno" song. Others argue that the
>much bigger hit by rapper Afrika Bambatta's "Planet Rock" (1981)was the
>first to combine electrofunk with mechanical beats while many European
>technophiles dismiss both theories as American revisionism and say
>techno has a much earlier birth with Kraftwerk in the mid 1970s.
Afrika Bambatta and Kraftwerk were huge influences on techno, so was
Gary Numan. But that doesn't make them original detroit techno.
Cybertron
Techno records??? They are from Detriot by Atkins, Sunderson, May and Baxter
just to name a few. You could say that tangerine dream had there influences
in 1940's swing music, that doesn't make it Techno.
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> I was in heated debate with a friend of mine as to which types of music came out first. When did the very first "techno" come out? Did it come after or before "pop"? Am I asking a really dumb question and sounding like a complete moron?
Music has been referred to as "pop" (short for "popular") since the
1940s. The first use of the word "techno" was probably in the early/mid
1980s but techno grew out of various other earlier styles: disco and
German electronic pop/prog rock in particular. Both words have been used
to mean different things at different times.
Vince
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Hammer
I dont know if Kraftwerk Started it but I bet I'm close.
Bye the way Clear is a really cool song.
Hammer:
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Robert Mashlan wrote:
> flob...@aol.com (FlobiRobi) wrote:
>
> >I was in heated debate with a friend of mine as to which types of music came
> >out first. When did the very first "techno" come out? Did it come after or
> >before "pop"? Am I asking a really dumb question and sounding like a complete
> >moron?
>
> Pop means popular music. Pop has been around ever since music could
> be mass-produced.
>
> The ground zero of techno is a track called "Clear" by Cybotron
> (Atkins and Davies) in '84.
>
Tom King
come out on compact disc because record labels did not believe in the
marketability of techno--so creators had to pay for their own manufacturing
costs and no one could afford CD replication costs back then) was by a man
known as Joey Beltram - using a Roland TR-909 drum machine and a sample of a
Roland Juno-106 (sampler: EMU Emulator I - 8-bit version) straight to 1/2"
analog tape. The song title was "My Sound" and has been sampled by 100's of
crappy artists like Lords of Acid and Army Of Lovers (CRAP!). Great song -
"Gameform" (j. beltram) was before that but very rare to find and not many
DJ's knew of it so it did not have success until it came out on the B-side
12" of "My Sound". Enough for now - who cares when it all
started......let's just be glad it DID and STILL continues to grow ever
larger and stronger as a respectable genre of technology and music. Cheers.
Tom King
Ex Nihlo Studios
FlobiRobi wrote in message <19981230140629...@ng-ce1.aol.com>...
>I was in heated debate with a friend of mine as to which types of music
came
>out first. When did the very first "techno" come out? Did it come after or
>before "pop"? Am I asking a really dumb question and sounding like a
complete
>moron?
>
>Thanks!
>-Just Another Techie
Robert Mashlan
>Wrong, Kraftwerk has been doing it in some form or anouther since around 1975.
>I dont know if Kraftwerk Started it but I bet I'm close.
No, no, no...
Techno, as a genre, was started in detroit. Juan Atkins, Rick Davies,
Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson. Kraftwerk was a huge influence on the
original techno artists, but they were not techno (it can be argued
that after the fact, techno influenced them)
Cybertron
Beltram, in fact had a stint with freestyle music in NYC. Him, Musto & Bones
did stuff together. If were taklin' about Techno, Reese (a.k.a. Kevin
Saunderson) was around before Beltram & Bones. "Rock to the beat" is not
House, although many House DJ's played it including David Morales @ 1018
back in 1987.
Nes ..
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day, Big band music was "Pop". The music you are most likely talking about
would be Hip hop and/or 80's revisionist dance music. Most music today
(including techno) evolved from some other form of music in the past. Wierd as
it may seem, techno and "Pop" evolved from the same style of dance music in the
late 70's and 80's, so neither you nor your friend was correct in saying one
style came up first.
(postscript: Pop came into the mainstream first... Techno came later... What
will be next?!?!)
Jess
rj...@hotmail.com
fact that at least one of the holy trinity of Detroit techno released albums
befor Joey Beltram did. Are you sure this was this the first globally
recognized techno 12" and when did it come out? What about songs like "good
life" by inner city? I don't know if everyone would call it techno but it is
dance. Like you said who does care when it started and that is open to
endless debate, just have fun with the music.
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>The ground zero of techno is a track called "Clear" by Cybotron
>(Atkins and Davies) in '84.
what about "cheri vari" by A Number of Names, a detroit record that
predates clear by a couple of years, 1981?
mike
Intermodal
<ndel...@sprynet.com> writes:
>
>The Records says 1983. But there are many records that came out at
that time
>that had this same type of sound, and not only from Detroit. Hashim,
Nitro
>Deluxe from cutting records NYC were also doing tracks like this, but
they
>were officially called Hip Hop or Electro Hip Hop. Even though, yes,
Clear
>is Atkins 1st ground breaking track, I'd put a concerted effort to
make
>"Techo" more towards the mid to late 80's. "The Sound" by Esp
(Sauderson)
>is more Techno than House. I'd say music from that time forward should
>officially be known as "Techno".
>
>Nes :)
If I am not mistaken isnt the first direct reference to Techno on a
detroit record another one of Juans tracks, "techno city." which is
mid 80's(85-86?)
hope you enjoy your stay
mike
The Safareme
define the words 'Pop' and 'Techno' as musical genres. Speaking in
musical-terms, there can not be any starting-point for both genres, because
music in it self is developping in little steps.
BTW: 'Planet Rock' by Afrika Bambataa was considered being a HipHop-song at
that time...watch the video if you don't believe me. And it's also some kind
of Kraftwerk cover-version...Bambataa only added Drums and Vocal to the
synth-lines of an earlier Kraftwerk work.
In the end, no one will be able to name a starting-point for any genre in
music.
Morgan Stockhaus
The Safareme skrev:
Derikk May was one of the first to make Detroit Techno. He was not the first
buthe was a pioner.
/Moorg
The Safareme
(//
DETROIT TECHNO
Origin:1978.
Roots: electro, house, kraft werk, techno-pop.
Identity signs: The triangle of techno of Detroit (Juan Atkins, Derrick May
and Kevin
Saunderson) created in 80 the bases of a sound elec trónico, abstract and
dance, that it has been the cradle of all the techno most progressive and
intelligent. In Toronto is their branch.
Disks: Sonic Sunset, of Model 500 (Juan Atkins), Azimuth, of kenny Larkin,
and Musik, of Plastinkman (Richie Hawtin).
Other names: Mark Kinchen, Carl Craig, Thomas Barnett, they Give Curtin.
//)
Addition to roots from my side:
Techno-Pop: Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Klaus Schulze,....
Kraftwerk were a huge influence on Africa Bambataa's 'Planet Rock'. He
sampled 'Trans-Europe Express' and added electro-drums and rap-vocals.
BUT i am not sure if House was really an influence on TECHNO. In my opinion
those genres started nearly at the same time...but i don't really know.