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CATHERINE GAGNE

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Feb 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/13/97
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What albums would give me a good idea of what they've done?
I don't know much about T.D./Eno, but i think they made some ambient
music? Any techno in their works? :)

thanks
l & m

Dave Pinnock

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Feb 15, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/15/97
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> l & m"The Best of Tangerine Dream" is the album you are looking for which has
some excellent tracks on. It was made by "Zomba records" and
distributed by BMG records. Some of T.D.'s work is a bit strange but
so buying other albums can be a bit of a gamble. I would describe their
music as more ambient than techno, but it's definately worth buying if
you can find it.

Hope this helps

regards

Dave

psweeney

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Feb 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/19/97
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Little tid-bit here...try and find B. Eno and D. Burns album, My Life
Among the Bushmen. Simply a brilliant album.

--Phil--


SB

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Feb 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/19/97
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> Little tid-bit here...try and find B. Eno and D. Burns album, My Life
> Among the Bushmen. Simply a brilliant album.
>
> --Phil--

Isn't that sort of the birth-of-sampling album??

Persinthia Lawdro

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Feb 19, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/19/97
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In article <330a54d5...@news.campus.mci.net>,
pswe...@nm-us.campus.mci.net says...

>Little tid-bit here...try and find B. Eno and D. Burns album, My Life
>Among the Bushmen. Simply a brilliant album.

That would be D. Byrne of Talking Heads fame.

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SB

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> >Little tid-bit here...try and find B. Eno and D. Burns album, My Life
> >Among the Bushmen. Simply a brilliant album.
>
> That would be D. Byrne of Talking Heads fame.

Yeah, and it's My Life Among The Bush Of Ghosts, isn't it???

psweeney

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Feb 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/21/97
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Could very well be...damn!, can't seem to find that tape. That does
ring a bell of what's left of the old neuron synapsis. Bushmen just
sticks in my mind.

Funny thing about this talented group. I have always hoped that they
could make a greater impact within the film industry via musical
scores. We are not talking MTV videos here but sophisticated motif
building with a number of other and outer related artist. This is not
too say that the MTV videos are not showing sophisticated and
creative ideas. I still marvel at some great stuff being shown, like
Tool (Aenima) and others. But still, 3 minutes is not two hours.

Tangerine Dream has a long history of film scores, but I always
thought that their talents were isolated toward a particular gender of
Sci Fi films and away from other expansive potentials. Eno has long
wanted to attack the film possibilities, as well as, Burns. One still
hopes with the right combination...? The Britain, Gary Wright , was
my personal favorite. He seemed to express that great combination of
technical and creative enthusiasm with a rock solid grasp of mature
musical insight. Don't know what has happened to him. Go figure.

--Phil--

stephen

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Feb 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/21/97
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psweeney wrote:
>
> On 19 Feb 1997 20:03:14 GMT, "SB" <sbar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >> >Little tid-bit here...try and find B. Eno and D. Burns album, My Life
> >> >Among the Bushmen. Simply a brilliant album.
> >>
> >> That would be D. Byrne of Talking Heads fame.
> >
> >Yeah, and it's My Life Among The Bush Of Ghosts, isn't it???

My Life in the bush of ghosts - I think - and not a sampler in sight! -
killer album..

Spanking Boy

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Feb 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/21/97
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> My Life in the bush of ghosts - I think - and not a sampler in sight! -
> killer album..

Not a sampler in My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts, or no samples??? Cause
their are of course 'samples,' like the vocal tracks. Those weren't
recorded live. They were sampled on. Right??? /me is confused


Tom Ewing

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Feb 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/21/97
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On 19 Feb 1997 20:03:14 GMT, "SB" <sbar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>> >Little tid-bit here...try and find B. Eno and D. Burns album, My Life
>> >Among the Bushmen. Simply a brilliant album.
>>
>> That would be D. Byrne of Talking Heads fame.
>
>Yeah, and it's My Life Among The Bush Of Ghosts, isn't it???

My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts, from 1981. The title's from a novel of
the same name by an African writer whose name escapes me. It is a
brilliant album, an all time classic. You could put down 'Regiment' or
'The Jezebel Sprit' in any decent trip-hop set and people's jaws would
drop.

Tom.

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Tom Ewing

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Feb 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/21/97
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On 21 Feb 1997 22:11:17 GMT, "Spanking Boy" <ma...@worldnet.spam.net>
wrote:

He said 'not a *sampler* in sight'. Eno and Byrne constructed the
album using tape splices and loops, so effectively that to modern ears
the music sounds sampled.

Tom,

tew...@netcomuk.co.uk
...welcomes your comments.

Rich Grasso

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Feb 21, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/21/97
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> > More to the point, what _was_ the first commercially available sampling
> > synth? My money's on the Fairlight CMI ( circa '79, about $65,000 new ), way
> > ahead on the Emulator-I ('83) (and www.sonicstate.com seems to agree).
> >
> > So anyone know what the first released album using the CMI was? I remember
> > being really blown away by its use on Peter Gabriel's pg-iv.
> >

I'm not sure if this is right, but I think Geoff Downes used one one the
Yes Album "Drama".There are a few things that sound like samples but
then again it could be a delay.
BTW Drama came out in 1980.

Kate Bush first used the CMI for "The Dreaming" 1982.


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er...@xs4all.nl

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Feb 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/22/97
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On 19 Feb 1997 20:03:14 GMT, "SB" <sbar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

|> >Little tid-bit here...try and find B. Eno and D. Burns album, My Life
|> >Among the Bushmen. Simply a brilliant album.
|>
|> That would be D. Byrne of Talking Heads fame.
|
|Yeah, and it's My Life Among The Bush Of Ghosts, isn't it???

No, it's "My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts". I've both the lp and cd. The
cd has one extra track on it.
This album is briljant. Years ahead of its time (maybe it still is)

Bye,
Erik.


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Spanking Boy

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Feb 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/22/97
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> No, it's "My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts". I've both the lp and cd. The
> cd has one extra track on it.
> This album is briljant. Years ahead of its time (maybe it still is)

Sure it wasn't My Bush In The Life Of Ghosts? Okay, maybe not. Yes, the
album is brilliant. Definately a landmark album.


Rich Grasso

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Feb 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/22/97
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Another early use of (Digital) sampling was the Wendell Jr. unit.
anyone remember this? it was an audio triggered sampler that used ROM
cartridges for sounds (mostly drums).
It was used for the snare sound on Steely Dan's "Hey Nineteen"

On the analog front there was also the Chamberlain, the competetor to
the Mellotron. Same technology but I think that the Chamberlain had tape
loops,instead of the 8 second tape run the Mellotron used.
The Chamberlain is used on the Fiona Apple CD and I think some of the
later Crowded House stuff.

Rich Grasso

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Feb 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/22/97
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Feedback Productions wrote:

>
> Does anyone know anything about the RMI Synth like Jean-Michel Jarre used
> on Oxygene? Did it do any sort of sampling?

Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!Ding!

I think we have a winner here.
The March 1995 issue of Keyboard has an article on the historey of RMI.
the article is subtitled "The Worlds First Digital Sample Playback
Synthesizers".

It had VERY short samples with single cycle loops. a quick scan of the
article indicates that no user sampling was possible.

BTW, the same issue has a cool Eno interview.

stephen

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Feb 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/24/97
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Spanking Boy wrote:
>
> > My Life in the bush of ghosts - I think - and not a sampler in sight! -
> > killer album..
>
> Not a sampler in My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts, or no samples??? Cause
> their are of course 'samples,' like the vocal tracks. Those weren't
> recorded live. They were sampled on. Right??? /me is confused

I think 'tape-loops' summs up the technology at the time the thing was
made...

S.B.

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Feb 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/24/97
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When was the first use of a sampler for music done??? For the Blade Runner
soundtrack????


facehugger

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Feb 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/24/97
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In article <01bc2244$1a579840$f36874cf@mgross>, "S.B."
<sbar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:


> When was the first use of a sampler for music done??? For the Blade Runner
> soundtrack????

The first use I know of (in the modern-day, sample collage sense) was the
tape-based Mellotron for the Beatles White Album. Guitar loops that George
Harrison didn't actually play, you see...

John Davis

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Feb 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/24/97
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S.B. (sbar...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:

> When was the first use of a sampler for music done??? For the Blade Runner
> soundtrack????

More to the point, what _was_ the first commercially available sampling

synth? My money's on the Fairlight CMI ( circa '79, about $65,000 new ), way
ahead on the Emulator-I ('83) (and www.sonicstate.com seems to agree).

So anyone know what the first released album using the CMI was? I remember
being really blown away by its use on Peter Gabriel's pg-iv.

Given the price it was mainly big name acts that originally used it - PG
(PG-IV '82), J-M Jarre ('Magnetic Fields' '81), Thomas Dolby ('83
onwards), Herbie Hancock on 'Future Shock', Kate Bush, Art of Noise etc.

At the mo looks like the title of 'first album using sampling' probably
belongs to 'magnetic fields'

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Eric Iverson

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Feb 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/24/97
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John Davis wrote:
>
> S.B. (sbar...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>
> > When was the first use of a sampler for music done??? For the Blade Runner
> > soundtrack????

I think it was Yellow Magic Orchestra's "Technodelic"

--Eric (founder of alt.music.tecno)

Ed&Cori

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Feb 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/24/97
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MIDIBear wrote:
>
> You're way off on date for sampling.
>
> Unless you mean DIGITAL sampling, the first was Mellotron, which used
> analog tape loops, not D-A memory playback.
>
> I probably have this wrong, but the first use of Mellotron I know of
> is early, early TD (Zeit, Phaedra, Rubycon) Zeit is '72 I think.
>
> Cya-A+
> MIDIBear <midi...@wwnet.com>

The Beatles (and others) got into big trouble with the musician unions
over use of these in the mid-late '60s. One is listed on "In the Court
of the Crimson King", King Crimson '69. Not nitpicking, just adding
what little I know.

Ed

MIDIBear

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Feb 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/25/97
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Kevin Simonson

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Feb 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/25/97
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John Davis (da...@chem.canterbury.ac.nz) wrote:
: S.B. (sbar...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:

: > When was the first use of a sampler for music done??? For the Blade Runner
: > soundtrack????

: More to the point, what _was_ the first commercially available sampling

: synth? My money's on the Fairlight CMI ( circa '79, about $65,000 new ), way
: ahead on the Emulator-I ('83) (and www.sonicstate.com seems to agree).

Depends on your definition of a sampler...

The mellotron gets my vote :}

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S.B.

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MIDIBear <midi...@wwnet.com> wrote in article
<331348a8...@news.wwnet.com>...

> You're way off on date for sampling.
>
> Unless you mean DIGITAL sampling, the first was Mellotron, which used
> analog tape loops, not D-A memory playback.
>
> I probably have this wrong, but the first use of Mellotron I know of
> is early, early TD (Zeit, Phaedra, Rubycon) Zeit is '72 I think.

I think digital was the implication. The Emulator was first used on the
Blade Runner soundtrack, and the second use was on the Residents' album
Eskimo--though the Residents I think started recording earlier, but the
release of BR was first...or something...right??? Well???????? Anyone
know the right answer?????? HUH????

John Davis

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MIDIBear (midi...@wwnet.com) wrote:

> Unless you mean DIGITAL sampling, the first was Mellotron, which used
> analog tape loops, not D-A memory playback.

I never really thought of the mellotron as a sampler (very few people cut
their own tape loops for it for a start), but I guess you've got as point



> I probably have this wrong, but the first use of Mellotron I know of
> is early, early TD (Zeit, Phaedra, Rubycon) Zeit is '72 I think.

way too late - The Beatles used it on 'strawberry fields forever' off Sgt
Pepper's in 1966. The rather nice sounding flute intro is a mellotron (and
you can even see Paul McCartney playing it on the BBC Beatles docu series -
nice use of the tape speed controls for a portamento effect)

--

Persinthia Lawdro

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Feb 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/25/97
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In article <dfm-ya023180002...@news.microweb.com>,
d...@microweb.com says...

>
>In article <01bc2244$1a579840$f36874cf@mgross>, "S.B."
><sbar...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>> When was the first use of a sampler for music done??? For the Blade
Runner
>> soundtrack????
>
>The first use I know of (in the modern-day, sample collage sense) was the
>tape-based Mellotron for the Beatles White Album. Guitar loops that George
>Harrison didn't actually play, you see...

Actually, according to the DJ Spooky 'Songs of a Dead Dreamer' liner notes,
one of the first people to use sampling was Lionel Mapleson. He used a
phonograph recorder given to him by Thomas Edison to record extracts from his
favorite operas during 1901-1903 to form the first known texts created by the
recording medium.

michael joseph taylor

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Feb 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/25/97
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In <331348a8...@news.wwnet.com> midi...@wwnet.com (MIDIBear)
writes:
>
>You're way off on date for sampling.
>
>Unless you mean DIGITAL sampling, the first was Mellotron, which used
>analog tape loops, not D-A memory playback.
>
>I probably have this wrong, but the first use of Mellotron I know of
>is early, early TD (Zeit, Phaedra, Rubycon) Zeit is '72 I think.
>
>
>Cya-A+
>MIDIBear <midi...@wwnet.com>
>


You schooled me on The dx100, but now its my turn ;)

the mellotron was first commercially available in 1963

as for early tracks check Space Oddity by David Bowie; Rick Wakeman
played mellotron on that track in 1969.

EOT
Michael Taylor
Diversified Recordings
Detroit USA


Mark Proctor

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Feb 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/25/97
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John Davis wrote:

>
> S.B. (sbar...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>
> > When was the first use of a sampler for music done??? For the Blade Runner
> > soundtrack????
>
> More to the point, what _was_ the first commercially available sampling
> synth? My money's on the Fairlight CMI ( circa '79, about $65,000 new ), way
> ahead on the Emulator-I ('83) (and www.sonicstate.com seems to agree).
>
> So anyone know what the first released album using the CMI was? I remember
> being really blown away by its use on Peter Gabriel's pg-iv.
>
> Given the price it was mainly big name acts that originally used it - PG
> (PG-IV '82), J-M Jarre ('Magnetic Fields' '81), Thomas Dolby ('83
> onwards), Herbie Hancock on 'Future Shock', Kate Bush, Art of Noise etc.
>
> At the mo looks like the title of 'first album using sampling' probably
> belongs to 'magnetic fields'
>
> --
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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On the strength of an article & review in the UK magazine Electronics &
Music Maker, I bought David Vorhaus's 'White Noise III = Re-entry' in
the very early 80's. I cannot remember the date, but if you're
desparate I could check the album cover; I seem to remember the article
saying that David had one of the (if not the) first Fairlights in the
UK. I also seem to remember that it was invented by an Antipodean, so
you could check out musos down your way. I think that the article on
Magnetic Fields came later, so maybe David Vorhaus was first.

It's an interesting album, amusing in places, funky bits and great
sounds, although the vocals are a bit iffy. I've bought White Noise's
first album on CD, so maybe his other stuff is also available.

Cheer

Mark Proctor

Malte Rogacki

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Feb 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/25/97
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In article <5et26g$c8a$1...@cantuc.canterbury.ac.nz>, John Davis writes:

> More to the point, what _was_ the first commercially available sampling
> synth? My money's on the Fairlight CMI ( circa '79, about $65,000 new ),
> way ahead on the Emulator-I ('83) (and www.sonicstate.com seems to
> agree).
>
> So anyone know what the first released album using the CMI was? I
> remember being really blown away by its use on Peter Gabriel's pg-iv.
>
> Given the price it was mainly big name acts that originally used it - PG
> (PG-IV '82), J-M Jarre ('Magnetic Fields' '81), Thomas Dolby ('83
> onwards), Herbie Hancock on 'Future Shock', Kate Bush, Art of Noise etc.

>
> At the mo looks like the title of 'first album using sampling' probably
> belongs to 'magnetic fields'

The Blue Chip Orchestra used a CMI prototype; unfortunately I don't know on
which album. This could qualify for the "first use of CMI" award.
I *think* the CMI prototype was shown at the Ars Electronica in 1979, but
it may have been 1978.

Digital sampling apparently was in use before that, too, but not on a
widespread basis. If I recall correctly, Stevie Wonder used some kind of
sampling device on "The Secret Life of Plants"; that was in 1979, too.

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Feb 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/25/97
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hmmm, you know this whole, origin of sampling technology is discussed in
the book _Will_Pop_Eat_Itself?_ by (i think) Donald Toop. a very good
book.....i think that he actually makes the distinction between "digital"
and "analog" sampling....and i think that somebody pryor to the Beatles
used a mellotron sampler....it's been a while though. if you are really
interested, check out the book!!!


RAX...@AOL.COM

Eitan Shefer

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Feb 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/25/97
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On 25 Feb 1997, S.B. wrote:

>
> I think digital was the implication. The Emulator was first used on the
> Blade Runner soundtrack, and the second use was on the Residents' album
> Eskimo--though the Residents I think started recording earlier, but the
> release of BR was first...or something...right??? Well???????? Anyone
> know the right answer?????? HUH????

this may seam a bit petty.. the first digital sampler was the fairlight
cmi (8 bit), I don't know who used it first.. Peter Gabriel uesd one on
his 3rd solo album (1980) jarre used one (and later more.. :-)) on les
chands magnetic (81, I think) (that I personnally hate.. Zoolook is
better)..

that's enough history for now.. back to our useall programming

((....
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Eric Iverson

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John Davis wrote:

> I never really thought of the mellotron as a sampler (very few people cut
> their own tape loops for it for a start), but I guess you've got as point

On the other hand, the Mellotron is a tape loop playback
machine, and many people have used tape loops and recorded
their own tape loops before the Mellotron was invented.
Where the hell are we going to draw the line?

Here's a good article on the history of the use of tape and
phonograph records, etc., in music composition:
http://www.ep.cs.nott.ac.uk/~wsl/magicFeet/mf0596/Pioneers_2.html

An excerpt....
> Until the late 1940s, the only practical way of recording sound had
> been the phonograph. However it did not lend itself well to the
> editing and rearrangement of sound, but this did not stop composers
> such as Varese and Cage in the 1930s using multiple turntables set at
> different speeds to play numerous discs simultaneously. The tape
> recorder made the cut and splice process far simpler and allowed more
> spontaneity and experimentation. Cage defined the significance of the
> tape recorder as: "It made one aware that there was an equivalence
> between space and time, because the tape you could see existed in
> space, whereas the sounds existed in time. That immediately changed
> the notation of music. We didn't have to bother counting
> one-two-three-four anymore. We could if we wanted to, but we didn't
> have to. We could put a sound at any point in time." This space/time
> enthusing was echoed by many composers of the time. It's a little lost
> on me, because tape recorders have always been around in my lifetime,
> but you can appreciate how revolutionary the facility to take a
> sound-snapshot of time must have been to them.

--Eric (founder of alt.music.techno)

Amituo

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Feb 25, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/25/97
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I heard somewhere that both Throbbing Gristle and Steely Dan (!) used
homemade digital samplers of some sort before they were commercially
available. Is there any truth to this?


Feedback Productions

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MIDIBear <midi...@wwnet.com> wrote in article
<331348a8...@news.wwnet.com>...

> You're way off on date for sampling.
>
> Unless you mean DIGITAL sampling, the first was Mellotron, which used
> analog tape loops, not D-A memory playback.
>
> I probably have this wrong, but the first use of Mellotron I know of
> is early, early TD (Zeit, Phaedra, Rubycon) Zeit is '72 I think.
>
>

Yep, dead wrong. The Beatles on "Strawberry Fields" in the 60's. Also The
Moody Blues relied heavily on the Mellotron ( Late 60's).

Chris Williams

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Feb 26, 1997, 3:00:00 AM2/26/97
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In article <5et26g$c8a$1...@cantuc.canterbury.ac.nz>, da...@chem.canterbury.ac.nz (John Davis) wrote:
>S.B. (sbar...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
>
>> When was the first use of a sampler for music done??? For the Blade Runner
>> soundtrack????
>
>More to the point, what _was_ the first commercially available sampling
>synth? My money's on the Fairlight CMI ( circa '79, about $65,000 new ), way
>ahead on the Emulator-I ('83) (and www.sonicstate.com seems to agree).
>
>So anyone know what the first released album using the CMI was? I remember
>being really blown away by its use on Peter Gabriel's pg-iv.

The Fairlight was brought from Australia to the UK by the two fellows
in Landscape, who did "My Name Is Norman Bates". They rented their
unit to Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush. They are thanked on the liner
notes of Kate's album "Never for Ever".


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"Feedback Productions" writes:

>Does anyone know anything about the RMI Synth like Jean-Michel Jarre used
>on Oxygene? Did it do any sort of sampling?

Isn't that the RMI Keyboard Computer? It's the only synth I know that RMI made. Possibly the first digital polysynth. It looked like a cross between a Fender Rhodes (same general body shape) and a 60's combo organ (lots of gaudily coloured rocker switches that were either cool-looking or hideous depending on your personal aesthetic taste). It had a card-reader at one end used for patch data.

MIKE (Pinole, CA)

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Malte Rogacki wrote:

> In article <330ECA...@earthlink.net>, Rich Grasso writes:
>
> > Another early use of (Digital) sampling was the Wendell Jr. unit.
> > anyone remember this? it was an audio triggered sampler that used ROM
> > cartridges for sounds (mostly drums).
> > It was used for the snare sound on Steely Dan's "Hey Nineteen"
>
> This is completely new to me, can you elaborate a bit?
>
> --
> Malte Rogacki ga...@sax.sax.de

Sure, this is all from memory since I don't have handy the mid to late
80's
copy of Electronic Musician that had the article about it.

First of all, I just want to clarify that I never used one, just read
about it. From the picture it looked like it was about a 2 or 3 rack
space unit with two cartridge ports on the front, the cartidges stuck
out of the unit a few inches(they looked a bit like 8-track carts).It
was designed for drum sounds and I think that those were the only sounds
available(again, no user sampling was possible, unless you had a ROM
Burner).
the samples were triggered with audio, much the same way that we used to
trigger LinnDrum sounds in the Recording Studio I used to work at by
feeding a snare or kick track from the board into the LinnDrum.
There were two cartridges so that multiple hits would not cut each other
off( if both carts contained the same sound)

I think that the unit Steely Dan used was at that point a prototype, it
wasn't offered for sale until many years later

No MIDI as far as I can remember(even on the later units that were sold
in the 80's, and certainly not in the unit that Steely Dan used).

er...@xs4all.nl

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On Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:07:08 +0000, Rich Grasso
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|> > More to the point, what _was_ the first commercially available sampling
|> > synth? My money's on the Fairlight CMI ( circa '79, about $65,000 new ), way
|> > ahead on the Emulator-I ('83) (and www.sonicstate.com seems to agree).
|> >
|> > So anyone know what the first released album using the CMI was? I remember
|> > being really blown away by its use on Peter Gabriel's pg-iv.
|> >
|

|I'm not sure if this is right, but I think Geoff Downes used one one the
|Yes Album "Drama".There are a few things that sound like samples but
|then again it could be a delay.
|BTW Drama came out in 1980.
|
|Kate Bush first used the CMI for "The Dreaming" 1982.

Gabriel Yared used one in the early '80s... Have to look up the album
when I'm home again to see when it was released.
I remember it was before Peter Gabriel got a CMI...

Bye,
Erik.


Erik van 't Woud

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: The Beatles (and others) got into big trouble with the musician unions


: over use of these in the mid-late '60s. One is listed on "In the Court
: of the Crimson King", King Crimson '69. Not nitpicking, just adding
: what little I know.

:
DOn't foget the Moody Blues and The Zombies.

DANIEL H MEANS

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: On the analog front there was also the Chamberlain, the competetor to
: the Mellotron. Same technology but I think that the Chamberlain had tape
: loops,instead of the 8 second tape run the Mellotron used.
: The Chamberlain is used on the Fiona Apple CD and I think some of the
: later Crowded House stuff.
:
The Mellotron came after the Chamberlin, which was released in the late
'50's, and was based on it. I'm not sure but I don't think they were ever
in production at the same time. Daniel.

Malte Rogacki

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In article <330ECA...@earthlink.net>, Rich Grasso writes:

>
> Another early use of (Digital) sampling was the Wendell Jr. unit.
> anyone remember this? it was an audio triggered sampler that used ROM
> cartridges for sounds (mostly drums).
> It was used for the snare sound on Steely Dan's "Hey Nineteen"

This is completely new to me, can you elaborate a bit?

--
Malte Rogacki ga...@sax.sax.de

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