Prodigy in Sf April 15'th!!!
Chad Dugas
I've got my tickets. It's at the fillmore
ABush
Chad Dugas <cha...@uclink2.berkeley.edu> wrote in article
<chaddug-2403...@brain1ac.hip.berkeley.edu>...
> I've got my tickets. It's at the fillmore
>
yezzzzz!!!
does anyone know if other dates and locations for Prodigy?
Persinthia Lawdro
In article <5hi6q2$4...@news.cis.okstate.edu>, ban...@okstate.edu says...
>You know.. Prodigy was like the first techno I ever bought.. but now
>that i've "matured" in the world of techno.. i think the Prodigy suck.
Sounds a little 'snobby' to me. Prodigy are still making great music and 'The
Fat of The Land', judging by what I've heard, is gonna be a brilliant record.
Do you judge your techno artists on how they dress or their music??
'Experience' still holds well after 5 years and is still one of my most often
played techno records. 'Firestarter' was a great song and the 'Emperion Mix'
was excellent. Sounds like a case of 'Hey, Prodigy are popular now, so they
suck' to me. Get over it!
PS - And to the first person, the Prodigy tour has been postponed due to them
wanting to complete the new record. Look for them to come back in June w/ all
tickets being honored.
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cha...@uclink2.berkeley.edu (Chad Dugas) wrote:
>I've got my tickets. It's at the fillmore
You know.. Prodigy was like the first techno I ever bought.. but now
that i've "matured" in the world of techno.. i think the Prodigy suck.
Is it me, or are they nothing but a techno version of Bush? They seem
like glory hogs.
and they look so fucking retarded.. oh well.
any comments?
email me
plur
barry
Chris Basford
In article <5hio0r$4...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>, Persinthia Lawdro
<cow...@ix.netcom.com> writes
>>that i've "matured" in the world of techno.. i think the Prodigy suck.
>
>Fat of The Land', judging by what I've heard, is gonna be a brilliant record.
I completely agree. Although I don't think "Experience" holds well now,
when I play it I often cringe, except at some brilliant moments
("Weather Experience"). The Prodigy were the first techno I liked as
well, and have done for 5 years, altough I like Orbital and Chemical
Brothers much more now, probably because they're putting new stuff out,
and the Prodge aren't.
I'm getting bloody of sick of waiting for that sodding LP!
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Jae the Orbhead
> i think the Prodigy suck.
> like glory hogs.
>
> and they look so fucking retarded.. oh well.
Well, Keith does anyhow.Liam is still quite normal. Too bad that they
snort coke now. And, yes, I do agree. It seems the more popualr a band
gets. the less quality the music has in it. Oh pop culture..... Isn't it
wonderful?
Alex Cavaye
In article <5hio0r$4...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
cow...@ix.netcom.com (Persinthia Lawdro) wrote:
>In article <5hi6q2$4...@news.cis.okstate.edu>, ban...@okstate.edu says...
>
>>You know.. Prodigy was like the first techno I ever bought.. but now
>>that i've "matured" in the world of techno.. i think the Prodigy suck.
>Sounds a little 'snobby' to me. Prodigy are still making great music and 'The
>Fat of The Land', judging by what I've heard, is gonna be a brilliant record.
>
>Do you judge your techno artists on how they dress or their music??
>'Experience' still holds well after 5 years and is still one of my most often
>played techno records. 'Firestarter' was a great song and the 'Emperion Mix'
>was excellent. Sounds like a case of 'Hey, Prodigy are popular now, so they
>suck' to me. Get over it!
>
No fuck all these shit. Why does everyone immediately get all defensive
when someone says they don't like the new Prodge? Look, one thing's for
sure; their 2 newest releases have next to nothing in common with their
older ones. Can't you UNDERSTAND that someone may not actually like the
new style?
However, it's a pretty moot point, because you can't deny that this style
has _somewhere_ (possibly unconciously) been created to sell. The Prodge
_knew_ they couldn't do any better in Europe (short of becoming a eurodance
group) so they had to make something which'd be accepted in the "we-hate-
techno" countries like the States.
And that means, drop the 4/4 bassdrums. Don't put in any really synthesized-
sounding sounds. Make sure there's guitar in there. Definitely include
lyrics. Yes, it's still techno, yes it's not utter crap, yes i agree you
shouldn't judge a band by it's image, BUT: this newer stuff _is_ geared
toward the mainstream audience. And (in my opinion) the mainstream audience
has got pretty bad taste in music. Gimme "Speedway", "Claustrophobic Sting",
"Weather Experience"... etc anyday.
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Persinthia Lawdro
In article <5htm32$drn$1...@news.tudelft.nl>, st...@dds.nl says...
>>>You know.. Prodigy was like the first techno I ever bought.. but now
>>>that i've "matured" in the world of techno.. i think the Prodigy suck.
>>Sounds a little 'snobby' to me. Prodigy are still making great music and
'The
>>Fat of The Land', judging by what I've heard, is gonna be a brilliant
record.
>>
>You judge an lp by two tracks? Oooookay...
Nope, more on the lines of about 6-7 tracks that have been played live and
have appeared on several boots. You mean to tell me you haven't heard
'Minefields'??? Where've you been, mate! That's the next UK single.
>No fuck all these shit. Why does everyone immediately get all defensive
>when someone says they don't like the new Prodge? Look, one thing's for
>sure; their 2 newest releases have next to nothing in common with their
>older ones. Can't you UNDERSTAND that someone may not actually like the
>new style?
I can understand that, but what I can't understnad is what the guy wrote
above (were you even reading it??).
>>'You know.. Prodigy was like the first techno I ever bought.. but now
>>that i've "matured" in the world of techno.. i think the Prodigy suck'
THAT'S the kind of bullshit statement I was commenting on. What does
'maturing' in techno have to do with SUDDENLY coming to the realization that
a band now sucks??? The guy's only comeback was, 'well...I still like their
older stuff'. Then why did he say they suck??? He couldn't even properly
back his statement without contradicting himself.
>However, it's a pretty moot point, because you can't deny that this style
>has _somewhere_ (possibly unconciously) been created to sell. The Prodge
>_knew_ they couldn't do any better in Europe (short of becoming a eurodance
>group) so they had to make something which'd be accepted in the "we-hate-
>techno" countries like the States.
Again....guess you haven't heard 'Minefields'
>Make sure there's guitar in there. Definitely include
>lyrics. Yes, it's still techno, yes it's not utter crap, yes i agree you
>shouldn't judge a band by it's image, BUT: this newer stuff _is_ geared
>toward the mainstream audience.
Fine, you have your opinion, but when you defend someone who uses the excuse
that he has 'matured' in techno to say he doesn't like a band anymore (sounds
more like he's saying 'I'm too underground for the mainstream') it makes you
look just as bad. I personally don't give a crap what people think of the new
Prodigy, just don't try and pass them off as un-cool, just because they are
popular.
I still like George Michael, if that makes me un-cool, then fine! At least
I'm not afraid of losing my precious 'underground' status!
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Mark S-D
Alex Cavaye <st...@dds.nl> wrote....
>No fuck all these shit. Why does everyone immediately get all defensive
>when someone says they don't like the new Prodge? Look, one thing's for
>sure; their 2 newest releases have next to nothing in common with their
>older ones. Can't you UNDERSTAND that someone may not actually like the
>new style?
>
>However, it's a pretty moot point, because you can't deny that this style
>has _somewhere_ (possibly unconciously) been created to sell. The Prodge
>_knew_ they couldn't do any better in Europe (short of becoming a eurodance
>group) so they had to make something which'd be accepted in the "we-hate-
>techno" countries like the States.
>
This is all assuming a lot, and I don't know what you back your
arguments up with. And I *can* deny that their style has been created to
sell - you seem to think that if something becomes really popular then
it has been designed to sell, it doesn't follow. Btw, I don't much like
Firestarter and Breathe, they are OK though. I don't need to defend them
thats what I'm saying. You don't need to justify your dislikes with
this. You like to think that people who don't like what you do are
stupid is that it ?
>And that means, drop the 4/4 bassdrums. Don't put in any really synthesized-
>sounding sounds. Make sure there's guitar in there. Definitely include
>lyrics.
You're convinced arn't you ? Say the so called formula didn't work.
> Yes, it's still techno, yes it's not utter crap, yes i agree you
>shouldn't judge a band by it's image, BUT: this newer stuff _is_ geared
>toward the mainstream audience. And (in my opinion) the mainstream audience
>has got pretty bad taste in music. Gimme "Speedway", "Claustrophobic Sting",
>"Weather Experience"... etc anyday.
>
I think it's more a case of the mainstream audience is geared towards
the Prodigy, for the simple reason that they like the tracks. Prodigy
just happened to create something that was very popular. Knowing that
this style is popular, they could go on making very similar tracks -
they would become unpopular after a while if they just made more
Firestarter type records, so your imaginary formula for sucess fucks up.
Public taste is dynamic, it changes, you can't judge it, people who keep
trying to be popular are riding a wave (David Bowie comes to mind), it
really doesn't matter in the end does it ? You like, you like, you hate,
you hate. I hope you continue to like whatever you do, because it's
creative - but that might be just what the Prodigy are doing as well.
>bye
>
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Alex Cavaye
In article <rMXeTPAp...@marksd.demon.co.uk>,
Mark S-D <m...@marksd.demon.co.uk*no.spam*> wrote:
>Alex Cavaye <st...@dds.nl> wrote....
>>However, it's a pretty moot point, because you can't deny that this style
>>has _somewhere_ (possibly unconciously) been created to sell. The Prodge
>>_knew_ they couldn't do any better in Europe (short of becoming a eurodance
>>group) so they had to make something which'd be accepted in the "we-hate-
>>techno" countries like the States.
>This is all assuming a lot, and I don't know what you back your
>arguments up with. And I *can* deny that their style has been created to
>sell - you seem to think that if something becomes really popular then
>it has been designed to sell, it doesn't follow. Btw, I don't much like
No no. You see, i'm not embarrassed to admit i own every U96 album. And
why? Because the music is GOOD. Sure, it's commercial, but there's love
behind the music. There's a heart. They're just making the music they
enjoy, and sometimes it does well (Das Boot) and sometimes it doesn't
(Love Sees No Color). But they just keep going.
>Firestarter and Breathe, they are OK though. I don't need to defend them
>thats what I'm saying. You don't need to justify your dislikes with
>this. You like to think that people who don't like what you do are
>stupid is that it ?
>
Did you see me saying i didn't like Breathe or Firestarter? No. I think
Firestarter's an okay track... Nothing special, but i don't consider it
crap. Breathe on the other hand is an OBVIOUS spinoff from Firestarter.
It's not similar technically, but it is similar.... There's something
missing from that track... It sounds too rushed... too made-in-5-minutes-
to-get-some-more-cash.
>>And that means, drop the 4/4 bassdrums. Don't put in any really synthesized-
>>sounding sounds. Make sure there's guitar in there. Definitely include
>>lyrics.
>You're convinced arn't you ? Say the so called formula didn't work.
>
It works. Why do you think all these Faithless/BBE/Sash/blahblah groups
are doing well at the moment? Good producers anticipate what the market
wants and make tracks which they KNOW will sell well. That's their job,
that's how they earn money.
>I think it's more a case of the mainstream audience is geared towards
>the Prodigy, for the simple reason that they like the tracks. Prodigy
>just happened to create something that was very popular. Knowing that
Okay, i guess that may hold true for Firestarter, but Breathe? Come on...
>this style is popular, they could go on making very similar tracks -
>they would become unpopular after a while if they just made more
>Firestarter type records, so your imaginary formula for sucess fucks up.
That's why it changes... What was in a year ago? Eurodance... We've been
through breakbeat, club house, the current chemical beat fad... That's
how the commercial music business works.
>Public taste is dynamic, it changes, you can't judge it, people who keep
>trying to be popular are riding a wave (David Bowie comes to mind), it
>really doesn't matter in the end does it ? You like, you like, you hate,
>you hate. I hope you continue to like whatever you do, because it's
>creative - but that might be just what the Prodigy are doing as well.
>
It might be. Somehow i don't think so. This type of music HAS been around
for a while (albeit in a WAY more underground and perhaps more refined form)
Why is it suddenly popular? Because the producers want it to be.
You may not realize it, but producers have a very big hand in what is "in"
and what isn't. The first time i realized this was about a year ago.
A producer said "the next big thing in dance music is heavy guitar lines
and hard beats". This was BEFORE Firestarter was released. I'm not making
this up, i mean it.
Mark S-D
Alex Cavaye <st...@dds.nl> wrote....
<bits of thread cut out for space>
>Did you see me saying i didn't like Breathe or Firestarter? No. I think
>Firestarter's an okay track... Nothing special, but i don't consider it
>crap. Breathe on the other hand is an OBVIOUS spinoff from Firestarter.
>It's not similar technically, but it is similar.... There's something
>missing from that track... It sounds too rushed... too made-in-5-minutes-
>to-get-some-more-cash.
>
Perhaps, I can't proove it one way or the other. There are often a
certain amount of similarities between releases, I don't think you would
have been quite so quick to point them out if the records hadn't sold as
much.
>>>And that means, drop the 4/4 bassdrums. Don't put in any really synthesized-
>>>sounding sounds. Make sure there's guitar in there. Definitely include
>>>lyrics.
>>You're convinced arn't you ? Say the so called formula didn't work.
>>
>It works. Why do you think all these Faithless/BBE/Sash/blahblah groups
>are doing well at the moment? Good producers anticipate what the market
>wants and make tracks which they KNOW will sell well. That's their job,
>that's how they earn money.
>
With corrupt producers yes ! :) I'm not denying that this sort of thing
happens. A lot of these records you mention come out on white label to
"test the water" so to speak. Theres hundreds of the these house tracks,
they get played by big name DJ's on peoples holidays and suchlike,
people come home wanting to know what that anthem was and then it starts
shifting big units back home.
>>I think it's more a case of the mainstream audience is geared towards
>>the Prodigy, for the simple reason that they like the tracks. Prodigy
>>just happened to create something that was very popular. Knowing that
>
>Okay, i guess that may hold true for Firestarter, but Breathe? Come on...
>
Possibly, I don't know for sure. You think that the Prodigy sat in the
studio saying well....what can we do now to make more cash then.
>>this style is popular, they could go on making very similar tracks -
>>they would become unpopular after a while if they just made more
>>Firestarter type records, so your imaginary formula for sucess fucks up.
>
>That's why it changes... What was in a year ago? Eurodance... We've been
>through breakbeat, club house, the current chemical beat fad... That's
>how the commercial music business works.
>
I don't think the fashion of the time is dictated by some power above,
theres influences all over the place I think it's a lot more chaotic
than that. Even without big industry in music peoples tastes change from
one thing to another, infact industry would most likely wish they could
find just one formula and milk it as much as possible. (Like the boy
band formula....working quite well so far. Wish these young teenagers
would wake up sometimes..)
>>Public taste is dynamic, it changes, you can't judge it, people who keep
>>trying to be popular are riding a wave (David Bowie comes to mind), it
>>really doesn't matter in the end does it ? You like, you like, you hate,
>>you hate. I hope you continue to like whatever you do, because it's
>>creative - but that might be just what the Prodigy are doing as well.
>>
>It might be. Somehow i don't think so. This type of music HAS been around
>for a while (albeit in a WAY more underground and perhaps more refined form)
>Why is it suddenly popular? Because the producers want it to be.
>
It was bound to get noticed sooner or later, the press and radio & TV
are more powerfull than the producer by far, (in terms of influence not
control, people who are more easily influenced might be thought to be
controlled but thats not 100% true). It's popular because people are
buying it now - it's that simple, IMO.
>You may not realize it, but producers have a very big hand in what is "in"
>and what isn't. The first time i realized this was about a year ago.
>A producer said "the next big thing in dance music is heavy guitar lines
>and hard beats". This was BEFORE Firestarter was released. I'm not making
>this up, i mean it.
>
He might have been listening to the Jilted LP which came out way before
Firestarter, who knows. He might have been living out his fantasies of
rock and roll ruling the world once again. The thing is he didn't
control anything, he made a prediction that worked. I must have read
hundreds of similar opinions on whats going to be big, at the moment two
new things "Trance-core" and (no name yet) a blend of house and drum &
bass. These are being pushed as being the next big thing. If the two
scenes fall flat on their face you most likely won't even notice, if
they become really big you'll say "told you so, producers have huge
power etc".
I don't disagree with what you are saying totally, it's just the extent
to which you think it goes to. To me that seems like the underground
paranoia. The Prodigy have been refusing to go to award ceremonies to
try and win back the respect of people like yourself. Why would they
even bother, what would you do in their shoes ? Would you release
limited pressings on white labels ?
I might be missing the point, it is just my opinion. I'll leave it
there, we can agree to disagree if you like.
LIAMKEITH2
I couldn't give a shit whether the NEW PRODGE is made to SELL!!
I love it and that's all that i care about.
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