disappointing DJs
Euan Reavie
Sometimes a "DJ" can squeeze into the large party syndicate simply because
s/he knew somebody, owns a record label, was originally a music maker, or
for some other unknown reason. For example, Casper Pound, partial owner
of a fantastic label, can't spin worth poop. Alex Paterson, I'm assuming,
started DJing long after making music with The Orb, because his sets are
quite disorganized and unpolished. There have been many other incidences
of this at large parties I have attended (mainly in Toronto).
Do others find this? Don't you find it a bit annoying when you could
easily be outwaxing that DJ that gets to play before 5000 people? I
realize that this is the nature of the music industry, but I like to think
"rave-culture" has moved beyond this.
It is also troubling when good DJs (e.g. Keoki) are big assholes.
Ho hum. I dunno. Shoot me.
POA
Lorin Vincent
Yes, I have a problem with this. It is interesting to me that some of
the best djs i know don't get to play much because they are unwilling
to take part in all of the politics. As a result, some djs, who might
not yet be at their best, but who are willing to play the game, end up
getting the play time. Sadly, the politics have turned me off a
bit...well, a lot. One can only hope that positive change will occur!
PLUR,
Lorin
Mark Eelman
i agree. flyers abound with ultra-hyped djs who are too often way
disappointing. being a newcomer to techno/rave scene, i find it
difficult to sort out all the hyperbole. i suppose the only way to know
who's decent is persistent, long-term attendance of rave parties...or
cool newsgroups such as this one where people in the know can share
their opinions/advice.so on that note, might anyone out there be able to
give me the low-down on who is exceptional in the new york metro area?i
must qualify this plea by adding that i'm particularly fond of
psychedelic trance (does anyone spin psych-trance?--rob devs blew me
away at perpetual vibe). thanks alot in advance.
john
AJ
Mark Eelman wrote:
>
> <snip> i suppose the only way to know
> who's decent is persistent, long-term attendance of rave parties...or
> cool newsgroups such as this one where people in the know can share
> their opinions/advice.so on that note, might anyone out there be able to
> give me the low-down on who is exceptional in the new york metro area? > i
> must qualify this plea by adding that i'm particularly fond of
> psychedelic trance (does anyone spin psych-trance?--rob devs blew me
> away at perpetual vibe). thanks alot in advance.
>
> john
Hi John!
Here's a coupla Los Angeles based DJs that make the 'rounds, travelling
far and wide, who spin some good trance:
christopher lawrence (!!!!!) when he comes to NY, GO!! You may be able
to go to your local DJ culture record store and purchase his cassette
tapes: 'Contact' and 'Oddyessy'. 'Oddyessy' is one of my current
favorites. It is awesome. 'Contact' is very impressive also.
thomas michael can do some amazing trance sets (mixed in w/ xlnt
break-beats) he's quite amazing
Greame, a SF based DJ, is also a major winner in my book! For a sampler
of what he is capable of doing, try picking up a copy of his "Live @
CyberTribes" cassette. It ROCKS!! (if I may use that word). I'm happy to
say that I was @ the CyberTribes party that was recorded on the tape,
and the memory of it will last a lifetime....AAAAHHHHH, the wonder
years!!
enjoy yourself
always
twan (aj, antoine)
stephen
Euan Reavie wrote:
>
Alex Paterson, I'm assuming,
> started DJing long after making music with The Orb, because his sets are
> quite disorganized and unpolished.
Nope - the guy was spinning well-chilled sessions in the back room of
Heaven, way before he started dumping his own stuff to disc !
guest
Euan Reavie wrote:
blah, blah, blah...
>
> It is also troubling when good DJs (e.g. Keoki) are big assholes.
>
> Ho hum. I dunno. Shoot me.
>
> POA
KEOKI a good DJ?!? Where have you seen him, and what serious mind
altering and perception tweaking drugs were you on?
Keoki is the biggest hyped flop of a DJ I've ever seen, and now he
lives in DENVER! i moved here to see what it was like. So far I'm
not impressed. AND now SuperStar DJ Keropi has moved here to add
chaos to an already horrible scene.
Lord help the uninformed & close-minded.
Preach the Gospel according to GOA and thrive. (good n-tone/ ninja tune
stuff is good for the psyche as well. :)
Peace: Al
Scott F. Williams
Mark Eelman wrote:
>
> i agree. flyers abound with ultra-hyped djs who are too often way
> disappointing. being a newcomer to techno/rave scene, i find it
> who's decent is persistent, long-term attendance of rave parties...or
> cool newsgroups such as this one where people in the know can share
> their opinions/advice.so on that note, might anyone out there be able to
> give me the low-down on who is exceptional in the new york metro area?i
> must qualify this plea by adding that i'm particularly fond of
> psychedelic trance (does anyone spin psych-trance?--rob devs blew me
> away at perpetual vibe). thanks alot in advance.
>
> john
--
Scott F. Williams
NJ Scirocco nut
SCCA PRO RALLY co-driver
I also agree! I live with who I think are some awsome top knotch
DJ's DJ STRESS & DJ JOEY DAZE from central NJ and they don't get the big
shows because they don't play the politics. Although do quit well with
out it. IThey play trance and hard trace like you never heard with a
fine display of acid to hip-hop and jungle I guess when thier time comes
it will be well deserved.
Look for D.O.S COLLECTIVE and their fabulous after hours parties,
and new years party.
" It is now that we can finally breath the air of sound and emotion"
--- fellow raver.... ---
Reid Oda
Al,
I am sorry you think the Denver scene is so bad. No, it's not as
old or large as the East or West Coasts but it's got life and a certain
personality. Besides, there are Trance rumblings underneath the
strictly House background of the city. People here now listen to the
music even when they are not at parties and slowly but surely, the songs
and DJs are reflecting it.
Keoki moving here has not added any choas to Denver. It's not
as if he came here and flashed his "superstar" status to a young and naive
scene. The only parties that he has spun at or thrown have featured almost
exclusively local DJs. If anything he has embraced the local scene and
added a little more continuity to it all.
If you feel that the scene here sucks so much, I implore you to do
something about it. The potential is here. We have talent, happiness,
the mountains, the open sky...there just needs to be a little more
organization. The only big gripe I have about this city is the greedy
promoters who are extremely exclusive and cut many corners when throwing a
party. They just don't seem to be focused on showing us a good time. I'm
sure they think that they are, but maybe they should take a trip to London
or San Fransisco. Anyway...it doesn't matter. Where there's a deep
down need, a new solution will arise from deep down and I will be
part of it. You will too.
Cheers!
-Cheshire
PPITH
Mark Eelman <mark...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>cool newsgroups such as this one where people in the know can share
>their opinions/advice.so on that note, might anyone out there be able to
>give me the low-down on who is exceptional in the new york metro area?i
Well, I can only think of good deep house DJ's in the New York area.
Sorry.
>must qualify this plea by adding that i'm particularly fond of
>psychedelic trance (does anyone spin psych-trance?--rob devs blew me
>away at perpetual vibe). thanks alot in advance.
If you like psychedelic trance, check out DRC - In Between Worlds.
She's a DJ from San Francisco, and the tape will BLOW YOUR MIND!!! At
least it did that for me until the last part of the second side that
got a little boring, but on a 90 minute tape, if one and a half sides
are good, you can't lose!!!
*Deep House*Intelligent/Breakbeat Jungle*Goa Trance*
*The rave ideals and links to cool pages! PLUR!*
*http://www.angelfire.com/pg6/rave/index.html*
Euan Reavie
: Alex Paterson, I'm assuming,
Was it all ambient stuff? He now seems to be trying to fit EVERY genre
into a 1-hour set. Hard to build a groove that way.
peace, POA
Frank Lorvik
Euan Reavie wrote:
> Sometimes a "DJ" can squeeze into the large party syndicate simply because
> s/he knew somebody, owns a record label, was originally a music maker, or
> for some other unknown reason.
Yes, it's far too common that artist turns "DJs" (and the other way
around for that matter :-) Sometimes it works out alright, but mostly
it doesn't..?
> Do others find this? Don't you find it a bit annoying when you could
> easily be outwaxing that DJ that gets to play before 5000 people? I
> realize that this is the nature of the music industry, but I like to think
> "rave-culture" has moved beyond this.
There's no doubt that there's far too much hype today. Name-DJs
certainly aren't the best... A few of the biggest names honestly
deserves their reputation, but sadly it seems a lot don't.
And you know: the easiest way to get up on a stage is to become a "DJ"
(according to a DJ-friend of mine...). It seems a lot of DJs nowadays
starts out DJing because they love the attention, not the music.
Everyone wanna be "stars", I guess...
>>>>====- Frank -===>>> Mind Travels, Oslo
Euan Reavie
guest (gu...@majordomos.com) wrote:
: KEOKI a good DJ?!? Where have you seen him, and what serious mind
: altering and perception tweaking drugs were you on?
My main point is that he was a knob. He is far from one of my favourites,
but for the stuff he played (speedy, happy stuff) he was technically
flawless. The fact that he's a goof overrides this, however. This was in
NY (Disco 2000) a couple of years ago.
: Lord help the uninformed & close-minded.
I'm not quite sure where this is directed, or is this just a philosophy?
POA
dj k lmnop
> > Do others find this? Don't you find it a bit annoying when you could
> > easily be outwaxing that DJ that gets to play before 5000 people? I
> > realize that this is the nature of the music industry, but I like to think
> > "rave-culture" has moved beyond this.
> (according to a DJ-friend of mine...). It seems a lot of DJs nowadays
> starts out DJing because they love the attention, not the music.
> Everyone wanna be "stars", I guess...
Gosh, I've found the above to be so true. I'm sort of the 'anti-dj'; I own
the gear, like to noodle around on it, played a few shows [without asking
for a fee]. I don't get off on djing in public. I like mixing on tape,
or for a few friends, but I lack the flash + style that most djs seem
to present while on stage [one particular evening, a friend and I wore
suits and ties to a gig, instead of the baggy pants + fitted skater t-shirt,
which seems to have become the official dj uniform]. I see myself less as an
entertainer and more of a promoter. I enjoy answering questions about
the tunes I've played to people on the floor more than I do playing them on stage.
But I guess that's just me. I'm not trying to deconstruct anything. I just
think that dj/rave culture has gotten a little too big for it's britches,
and needs to calm down before this air of self centeredness and needless self
promotion begins to put people off.
An interesting story: I was in a dj supply store early this week to pick up
a new cartridge. One raver-kid [who, of course, identified himself as "I'm
a dj...], upon hearing that I dabble in the trade, asked me
"so...what kind of music to you spin? House, trance, breakbeat, hi-energy,
acid...?"
I replied, rather sheepishly
"Oh, I play everything, with a little electro, downtempo, dub, drum+bass,
ambient and intelligent stuff thrown in."
"Shit. I guess your sets really put off a lot of people, don't they?"
"That's the point."
He left bewildered. And I grinned.
grant.h.horne
http://delta.is.tcu.edu/~ghhorne/
all sex appeal, no dots.
except that one.
spinsane
On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, guest wrote:
> Euan Reavie wrote:
> blah, blah, blah...
> >
> > It is also troubling when good DJs (e.g. Keoki) are big assholes.
> >
> > Ho hum. I dunno. Shoot me.
> >
> > POA
>
>
> KEOKI a good DJ?!? Where have you seen him, and what serious mind
> altering and perception tweaking drugs were you on?
> Keoki is the biggest hyped flop of a DJ I've ever seen, and now he
> lives in DENVER! i moved here to see what it was like. So far I'm
> not impressed. AND now SuperStar DJ Keropi has moved here to add
> chaos to an already horrible scene.
>
Keoki is an excellent DJ, one of the better ones I've heard. Every time I
hear him live, its nothing too unbelievably special, but that is probably
because I don't have the ability to relisten to the mix and analyze the
mixing itself. On his mix CD's (particularily "All Mixed Up" on Moonshine)
he is able to blend the songs in over and over again, cutting them out
very quietly, etc, so that it gets difficult to tell where the new songs
began.
Don't down the boy just because you don't like the fact he's a pompous ass
=) He can get down with the best of them when he tries
deep...@aol.com
In case you did not know, the majority of mixed CD's are done on
computers. Very rarely is the mix live and on turntables. Anybody with a
decent compter, the right hardware, and knowledge, can be super mix CD DJ
too. The computer can match up the beats mix the song for you. That is
why you cant tell where they begin and end. DJ Hardware
is terrible live, but his Trip Hop Acid funk CD's have sold very well.
Maybe we should thank Scott Barrow, the sound engineer for mixing them.
Take a look at the Keoki Cd, find the name of the Production and sound
guys and write them a letter thanking them for getting you a memorable CD.
DeepGroove
William L Samuels
> > KEOKI a good DJ?!? Where have you seen him, and what serious mind
> > altering and perception tweaking drugs were you on?
> > Keoki is the biggest hyped flop of a DJ I've ever seen, and now he
> > lives in DENVER! i moved here to see what it was like. So far I'm
> > not impressed. AND now SuperStar DJ Keropi has moved here to add
> > chaos to an already horrible scene.
skills at mixing or taste in music. There are a number of GOOD dj cds
that are worth checking out. Jeff Mills - Live at the Liquid Room, The
Dave Clarke dj mix cd on DeConstruction/Muzik Masters, DJ Kicks - Claude
Young, and numerous others.
Keoki is all-hype!! For those you that really think he is even decent
check out some of the real djs, you will see a great difference.
B i l l S a m u e l s
w l s @ U . A r i z o n a . E D U
Servo
On Sat, 14 Dec 1996, spinsane wrote:
> Keoki is an excellent DJ, one of the better ones I've heard. Every time I
> hear him live, its nothing too unbelievably special, but that is probably
> because I don't have the ability to relisten to the mix and analyze the
> mixing itself. On his mix CD's (particularily "All Mixed Up" on Moonshine)
> he is able to blend the songs in over and over again, cutting them out
> very quietly, etc, so that it gets difficult to tell where the new songs
> began.
>
> Don't down the boy just because you don't like the fact he's a pompous ass
> =) He can get down with the best of them when he tries
I don't agree. Keoki isn't the worst Dj(check out john chamie for an
example of a BAD dj). But I wouldn't rack keoki anywhere near the top 20
list of DJs. He was good about three years ago, but now he can't match
beats to save his mom. Listen to the CD Disco Death Race 2000 for an
example. Not only do the beats not match a lot of the time but most of
the time he doesn't match beats. He'll just was for the bass to drop
out, or he'll cut the low freq gain then throw in the next record. The
only thing that kept him cool before was his record collection, but now
that's not enough...
Jack_Lint
,----------------------------/~~~~~~~~\------------------------,
mor...@colorado.edu --<<<{{( Jack Lint )}}>>>-- }
Servo
On Thu, 12 Dec 1996, Frank Lorvik wrote:
>
> Yes, it's far too common that artist turns "DJs" (and the other way
> around for that matter :-) Sometimes it works out alright, but mostly
> it doesn't..?
I don't know about this. My reason for being a dj is so that I can
start to make my own music. What's better than searching the world over
for the best records, just to get those few sounds that you love? How
about making the sounds that you love. I'm just a Dj until i get enough
money to stop and make music full time.
Servo, Jack_Lint
Servo
Not a chance, If they recorded the records into the computer you'd think
they would CLEAN them first. Keoki has the scratchiest noisiest records
I know. He should buy a record cleaner....
Jack_Lint
,----------------------------/~~~~~~~~\------------------------,
/ ///__________\\\ \
mor...@colorado.edu --<<<{{( Jack Lint )}}>>>-- }
\ \\\__________/// /
`----------------------------\________/------------------------'
Euan Reavie
Servo (mor...@fiske.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
: I don't know about this. My reason for being a dj is so that I can
: for the best records, just to get those few sounds that you love? How
: about making the sounds that you love. I'm just a Dj until i get enough
: money to stop and make music full time.
Hmmmmm... doesn't sound like you're too dedicated to the wheels of steel.
I could never give it up completely to make music. Imagine mixing your
own records live! Making music is also a bit of a pipe dream for many of
us, I'm sure. I mean, how many DJs actually make it to the point they can
afford a decent studio set-up?
...which brings me to my original point... sometimes the music-makers
should remain makers, instead of using fame to play crappy sets live. I
was so frustrated to hear how rotten Casper Pound was. Yuck. It sounded
like he had only one turntable.
peeeeesss POA
garrett
> Euan Reavie wrote:
> blah, blah, blah...
> >
> > It is also troubling when good DJs (e.g. Keoki) are big assholes.
> >
> > Ho hum. I dunno. Shoot me.
> >
> > POA
>
>
> KEOKI a good DJ?!? Where have you seen him, and what serious mind
> altering and perception tweaking drugs were you on?
> Keoki is the biggest hyped flop of a DJ I've ever seen, and now he
> lives in DENVER! i moved here to see what it was like. So far I'm
> not impressed. AND now SuperStar DJ Keropi has moved here to add
> chaos to an already horrible scene.
actually he has moved to West Hollywood, CA - up on the hill.
Reid
Actually he has been in Colorado for the past six months, throwing
parties and spinning with his promotional company Disco 2000. He owns a
house in Hollywood and was purported to have moved there by XLR8R
magazine. Is it true? Who knows?
-Reid
coletto
Si/oE
On Wed, 18 Dec 1996 05:12:36 -0800, coletto <dmol...@mail.mc.net>
wrote:
>
>give the guy a break hes dying of AIDS
any truth to this?
Reid
On Thu, 19 Dec 1996, garrett wrote:
> In article
> <Pine.GSO.3.95.961218...@rintintin.Colorado.EDU>, Reid
> i have been by there - not to side with keoki (im not going to - because
> basically i can agree with all of your opinions) - i was just there to set
> up some computer shit. But the house is real. And so is is his residdency.
> it is his home. (hollywood)
He spun last night in Vail and I asked him. He has a house in LA, lives
in Denver. By the way...he wasn't all that bad.
-Reid
George Tsai Li
Jack_Lint wrote:
>
> On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, coletto wrote:
>
> > give the guy a break hes dying of AIDS
>
> raves? I'd rather have one who's not lost his mind on crystal.
>
> __________________________________________ ___________
> || mor...@colorado.edu | Jack_Lint |
> || "We're all in this together" H. Tuttle '~~~~~~~~~~~'
I think that he is an excellent DJ as far as spinning music. But he is
trashed as far as personal life.
DJ George,
garrett
> -Reid
Jack_Lint
CRYSTLMTHD
On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, coletto wrote:
> give the guy a break hes dying of AIDS
Not a chance. Should we let all the terminally ill people spin at
the
raves? I'd rather have one who's not lost his mind on
crystal.
In response to the misinformed pen pals above...........
You have every right to criticize DJs, Artists, Bands etc.. because, you
were somehow disappointed with what you heard or saw or whatever. That is
your opinion and that's fine. But to send out a message that somebody is
dying of AIDS, that shit is wrong. Tell me "coletto" are you Keoki's
doctor? Or did you hear it from some friend who read it off of a
Port-o-Potty door at some show?
I don't know if we should let terminally ill people spin at Raves, but I
would enjoy seeing you two with a crate of records and a pair of 1200's
next time I'm in Colorado. Then I can go on-line and critique your skills
and go on to write some tabloid slander about your personal lives.
See ya, Scott
The Crystal Method
L.A. , CA
C/Rock
In article <Pine.SGI.3.91.961219...@fiske.Colorado.EDU>,
Jack_Lint <mor...@fiske.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Dec 1996, coletto wrote:
>
> > give the guy a break hes dying of AIDS
>
> Not a chance. Should we let all the terminally ill people spin at the
> raves? I'd rather have one who's not lost his mind on crystal.
hard but true words - god bless him (and take away his records, poor guy -
however - with a bad taste).