What is techno?
ryder
I still think the techo music came from the disco music, right?
ralph barnes
>I still think the techo music came from the disco music, right?
Techo (also known as techno) can trace its roots to most of the music that
predated it. Jazz, disco, experimental electronic stuff (a la Stockhauzen
or Cage), rock-n-roll, African and Asian folk melodies and rhythms etc.
all have had and continue to have an effect on techno.
If, by techno, you are referring to the music that originated in Detroit
in the early eighties then I would say that the most direct influences
would be funk, and new wave (you remember, Kaja Googoo, Thomas Dolby
etc.). I am not an expert on the early days of Submerge and the motor
city bunch so you may want to get the scoop from some other guy or gal.
Brian Eno's music, the experimental Beatles albums, Tangerine Dream, Todd
Rundgren (maybe), Kraftwerk and many other pop groups of the late 60's
and early to mid 70's had an influence on techno, modern dance music and
ambient music.
I have a theory that techno was not just influenced by the music that
predated it. I think that the nature of evolving technology pushed music
to evolve into techno. FM tone generators, sequencers, drum machines,
turntables as instruments, etc. all seemed so beautifully suited to
something OTHER than the pop music of the day (Kansas, Led Zeplin, etc.).
People with vision picked up on the direction of technology, mixed their
own musical heritage into the pot and (bango presto!) techno was born.
d'zis answer your question?
:-)
plur
ralphus
THE ONE
In <326702...@spin.net.au> ryder <ry...@spin.net.au> writes:
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>I still think the techo music came from the disco music, right?
Some could say that techno came from disco music especially the
electronic disco nrg (Lipps Inc., Sylvester) popular in the late 70s,
as opposed to the unabashedly rehashed R&B/soul (Bee Gees, Abba) but
techno is a compeletly distinct form of music (although perhaps all
electronic dance sounds alike to thos on the outside). Techno is
probably most closely related to anything to elctrofunk.
Go to www.hyperreal.com for a real good definition of techno that
differentiates it from other forms.
Daniel Hinz
In article <326702...@spin.net.au>, ryder <ry...@spin.net.au> writes:
|> I still think the techo music came from the disco music, right?
No, it came from Detroit.
Paul Rigby
In article <54icff$9...@rzsun02.rrz.uni-hamburg.de>, Daniel Hinz
<2h...@rzdspc122.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> writes
>In article <326702...@spin.net.au>, ryder <ry...@spin.net.au> writes:
>|> I still think the techo music came from the disco music, right?
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Dance music, is House, is Trance...whatever. Take note!!!
Sorry - I'll just take a few more pills....zzzzzzzz
--
Paul Rigby
Jason McBrien
Daniel Hinz wrote:
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> In article <326702...@spin.net.au>, ryder <ry...@spin.net.au> writes:
> |> I still think the techo music came from the disco music, right?
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> No, it came from Detroit.
Whoa, actually it came from kraftwerk. Probably the first techno album
in exsistance was Autobahn in 1975. Detroit didn't become big till the
eighties. If you like really old shcool stuff, check out Computerworld
(Komputerwelt?) Really cool big-drum sounds and analouge syths.
michael george
-- > > In article <326702...@spin.net.au>, ryder <ry...@spin.net.au>
so when did jean michel (sp?) jarre release oxygene? it was around this
time also was'nt it?
--
mick george
wycl...@ix.netcom.com
Oz
Yeah but Detroit Techno is very hard-core techno, must people refer to
techno now as mainstream Trance/Dance stuff. Why argue with the
majority?? This is how democracy works!
Oz
Paul Rigby
In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.961025125600.2732E-100000-100000-100000@ccsp-
03.brunel.ac.uk>, Oz <em9...@brunel.ac.uk> writes
It's not the majority that I, for one, have an objection to - it's the
re-writing of history.
*That* is serious.
--
Paul Rigby
FPINTO
> 03.brunel.ac.uk>, Oz <em9...@brunel.ac.uk> writes
> >Yeah but Detroit Techno is very hard-core techno, must people refer to
> >techno now as mainstream Trance/Dance stuff. Why argue with the
> >majority?? This is how democracy works!
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> >Oz
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In the fifteen century, most people believed that the earth was
flat; such a democracy could never change the fact that the earth wasn't
and will never be flat, it doesn't matter what you or a 200 million
people say. Same with techno. To call techno to detroit pseudo-sequences
is obviously wrong. I would call it corrupted data.
-F.
Ian Baxter
Is Techno from Detroit or a baby of early European producers like Kraftwerk
and Numan? I don't know really. In the end I think it all comes down to one
big melting pot where all the early influences jammed together, and have
just as much right to claim 'ownership' of the name. BUT what I do know is
that Techno is NOT the cack that the media and majority of people seem to
portray it as, ie 2Unlimited cheesy Euro house and pop. That really takes
the piss. I suppose many hip-hop heads out there have the same feelings
about the way the media has grabbed rap as the 'trend of the moment', and
tried to push the watered down Coolio/Fugees aspect across.
Similar things are happening with jungle. How many times have you heard
wanky groups like 'Everything but the Girl' cited as being pioneers in this
field? I find it bloody annoying.
Paul Rigby <paul...@amigapro.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<nUkeMNATD$dyE...@amigapro.demon.co.uk>...
> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.961025125600.2732E-100000-100000-100000@ccsp-
> 03.brunel.ac.uk>, Oz <em9...@brunel.ac.uk> writes
> >Yeah but Detroit Techno is very hard-core techno, must people refer to
> >techno now as mainstream Trance/Dance stuff. Why argue with the
> >majority?? This is how democracy works!............
> >
Paul Rigby
In article <01bbc8de$1b231700$7559dec2@default>, Ian Baxter <IBaxter@hom
ebase1.demon.co.uk> writes
wrote the piece attributed to me - if you look at the original post, it
was written by someone else, my name was connected to a different reply
and...
...on the whole point of 'who started Techno'. Is *was* Detroit. Simple
as that. Why? Well, Detroit began Techno as it is known today. Using the
technology of today and the song/chord structure of today and the
immediate culture of the time. Sure...there are *influences* from the
likes of Kraftwerk et al. However, that is NOT Techno. That is an
INFLUENCE. Let's get that straight. Kraftwerk are one of the kings of
Electro, as are Can, etc. The other quoted influences belong to other
genres.
None of these are Techno *incarnate*.
Let's seperate influences from the real thing. Juan Atkins and the chaps
began the Techno genre as we now it.
--
Paul Rigby
J.Yarwood
Hey! Does it really matter what techno is?
I reckon it's just plain cool so what's it matter about pullin it to
pieces to find out what's in it?
byung
Paul Rigby (paul...@amigapro.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <01bbc8de$1b231700$7559dec2@default>, Ian Baxter <IBaxter@hom
: ebase1.demon.co.uk> writes
: >Is Techno from Detroit or a baby of early European producers like Kraftwerk
...
: >wanky groups like 'Everything but the Girl' cited as being pioneers in this
: >field? I find it bloody annoying.
: >
: >Paul Rigby <paul...@amigapro.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
: ><nUkeMNATD$dyE...@amigapro.demon.co.uk>...
: >> In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.961025125600.2732E-100000-100000-100000@ccsp-
: >> 03.brunel.ac.uk>, Oz <em9...@brunel.ac.uk> writes
: >> >Yeah but Detroit Techno is very hard-core techno, must people refer to
: >> >techno now as mainstream Trance/Dance stuff. Why argue with the
: >> >majority?? This is how democracy works!............
: >> >
: >
: ...on the whole point of 'who started Techno'. Is *was* Detroit. Simple
: as that. Why? Well, Detroit began Techno as it is known today. Using the
: technology of today and the song/chord structure of today and the
: immediate culture of the time. Sure...there are *influences* from the
: likes of Kraftwerk et al. However, that is NOT Techno. That is an
: INFLUENCE. Let's get that straight. Kraftwerk are one of the kings of
: Electro, as are Can, etc. The other quoted influences belong to other
: genres.
: None of these are Techno *incarnate*.
: Let's seperate influences from the real thing. Juan Atkins and the chaps
: began the Techno genre as we now it.
derrick may actually coined the term 'techno' i think.
look to detroit labels (probably easier to find germans like 'tresor' in us,
though - ironic).
b-
Rob Linnemann
Ian Baxter wrote:
>
> Is Techno from Detroit or a baby of early European producers like Kraftwerk
> big melting pot where all the early influences jammed together, and have
> just as much right to claim 'ownership' of the name. BUT what I do know is
> that Techno is NOT the cack that the media and majority of people seem to
> portray it as, ie 2Unlimited cheesy Euro house and pop. That really takes
> the piss. I suppose many hip-hop heads out there have the same feelings
> about the way the media has grabbed rap as the 'trend of the moment', and
> tried to push the watered down Coolio/Fugees aspect across.
> Similar things are happening with jungle. How many times have you heard
> field? I find it bloody annoying.
>
> Paul Rigby <paul...@amigapro.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
> <nUkeMNATD$dyE...@amigapro.demon.co.uk>...
> > In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.961025125600.2732E-100000-100000-100000@ccsp-
> > 03.brunel.ac.uk>, Oz <em9...@brunel.ac.uk> writes
> > >Yeah but Detroit Techno is very hard-core techno, must people refer to
> > >techno now as mainstream Trance/Dance stuff. Why argue with the
> > >majority?? This is how democracy works!............
Rob Linnemann
Paul Rigby
In article <55lbp8$7k0...@salford.ac.uk>, "J.Yarwood"
<EEA...@news.salford.ac.uk> writes
>Hey! Does it really matter what techno is?
>I reckon it's just plain cool so what's it matter about pullin it to
>pieces to find out what's in it?
That's a valid point and, after all, in the beginning, 'House' was the
general, all encompassing term.
However, questions are asked about the true meaning of the word and some
of us only wish to oblige. At the same time, some posters throw their
opinions around like confetti and, unfortunately, mislead readers, in
the meantime, by re-writing history.
Also, Techno, no matter what your thoughts, is a very specific term.
Pardon my poor choice of comparison but... Everest is a certain type of
mountain - yet it stands, in a symbolic way, as the epitomy of all
mountains. Techno has achieved a similar status in many minds. Symbolic
of House music in general - especially to the 'general' (ie non-music)
Media who haven't a clue at the best of times <g>.
--
Paul Rigby
jabd...@aol.com
Surely a basis for what constitutes "techno" should be established. How
many times has someone asked you what music you like? How can that
question be answered when you don't know what sort of music you like?
Myself, I prefer to say what bands/artists I like as this does away with
any confusion, and I like several different types of music. However, I
always thought of techno as coming from the word "technology", meaning
techno music is that which utilises modern technology. Having said this,
does anyone know of any music which is purely computer generated and has
as little human interaction as possible? Computers are soulful creatures.
Haplo
The biggest problem I find is that when I tell people i'm really into
Techno music they always assume that I am referring to the really cheesy
crap that is big on top 40 wanna be techno compilations (em-jay, culture
beat, 2 unlimited) If you like these groups im soory if I offended you I
just think that it is not right to put these groups in the same basket as
say, the Aphex Twin, or Mouse on Mars.
--
Haplo pat...@lis.ab.ca
http://www.geocities.com/motorcity/3926/index.html
David C Dyer
I happen to like Culture Beat and 2 Unlimited (a little) but I am not
offended by what you say, because anybody that is smart, knows that those
groups are not Techno. I would say that they are more of a mix of Pop
and house (or something like that), but definitely not Techno. Techno is
a whole other sound and state.
DAVE
Ian Campbell - RDTV/W95
David C Dyer (dy...@CS.Arizona.EDU) wrote:
: I happen to like Culture Beat and 2 Unlimited (a little) but I am not
: DAVE
: >
: >
Yeah, that's still a problem.... Basically you need to explain to people
that Culture Beat and company are "Euro" or "Dance", while Aphex Twin and
his ilk are "Techno". If they're rock fans and they don't understand the
difference, just say "It's like the difference between Bon Jovi and
Slayer." That usually works for me.... I happen to like both serious
techno AND lighter dance stuff, but they're two totally seperate entities
to me, so I know where you're coming from.
Hope this helps,
Ian Campbell
Karl Mac Mc Kinnon
>Yeah, that's still a problem.... Basically you need to explain to people
>that Culture Beat and company are "Euro" or "Dance", while Aphex Twin and
>his ilk are "Techno". If they're rock fans and they don't understand the
>difference, just say "It's like the difference between Bon Jovi and
>Slayer." That usually works for me.... I happen to like both serious
>techno AND lighter dance stuff, but they're two totally seperate entities
>to me, so I know where you're coming from.
The stuff I LOVE to listen to is dance/rave techno. But when I'm
in a buying mood, it always gets more solomn and I wind up with FRONT
242. Not that FRONT 242 doesn't have some good lighter numbers like
Skin. My local "alternacrap" radio station is always using "Skin" as
background for anouncements. I've recently gotten into Republica. Sort
of a rock-techno hybrid. The one song they are always playing on the
radio had the synth replaced with gutares to make it playable.
Otherwise, the album is most keyboard driven.
That's the problem: we don't like mtv - we can't stand what's
trendy. I wish 2 Unlimited would GET airplay where I live, but Milwaukee
is like Hitlerland.
Karl Alexi McKinnon
"Cautious, careful people, always casting about to preserve their reputation
and social standing, never can bring about a reform. Those who are really
in earnest must be willing to be anything or nothing in the world's
estimation." --Susan B. Anthony
Haplo
Glad you got what I meant, I also enjoy a smiggin of the aforementioned
groups. Especially Snap!