Disjecta, Etc.
jack
A couple of quick questions:
What is Disjecta's music like?
Is Ae's cichlisuite any good?
Plaid
In article <3421E4...@telegram.infi.net>, jac...@telegram.infi.net
says...
>Is Ae's cichlisuite any good?
In a word....yes. While it's alot more mellow than Chiastic, it still retains
Sean and Rob's instinct for intricate structure and sub-text, so to speak.
The influence of other Skam artists and stuff like Oval and Farmer's Manual
are what quicky jump to mind when I hear it. While you think you might have
the tracks figured out, they completely change on you during listens and with
repeated listens. Each track is a separate emotion. Emotions of discomfort
and delusion that to me are basically distortions on reality. I guess that's
what makes Autechre so unique. 'Cichlisuite' is very deceiving in it's
minimalism upon first few listens, but like most Autechre releases, reel you
in slowly for the untimate mindfuck.
It is my theory that Autechre sold their souls to the devil to make such
fucking brilliant music. ;)
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jack
Mark Bartlam wrote:
>
> jack (jac...@telegram.infi.net) posted the following:
> : A couple of quick questions:
> :
> : What is Disjecta's music like?
>
> I'm a *big* fan of Seefeel (currently recording a new album - yay!).
> I've listened to Looking For Snags and Clean Pit And Lid and they're
> both very minimal, but I find the music very cold and abstract. There's
> not much in the way of hooks to grab on to.
>
> Personally, I wouldn't recommend it. I'd suggest you try before
> you buy.
>
> --Mark
>
> --
> +------=[ mark bartlam ]=-------+
> [mark.b...@green.ox.ac.uk]
I bought seefeel's Quique a while ago, and I liked it. What would you
suggest for their other albums?
BTW I like cold and abstract stuff too! Where can I hear without buying?
And is Disjecta available in the US without import?
jack
Yes! Right now I'm listening to Envane, which I got for 10$ today. I
love it!!!!! I still do not have Chiastic or Cichili, I've special
ordered chiastic already. I'm going to add cichili to that!!!
I love autechre. YOu're right, you discover something new each time!
One question; Is cichilisuite available as separate record or just one?
At Warp-Net they had what appeared to be three different covers, one
having like seven songs. What's the deal, what does your copy look like?
Could you send me the WAP number just in case?
That would help lots for special ordering....
Thank you for the advice!@!
Plaid
In article <3422E5...@telegram.infi.net>, jac...@telegram.infi.net
says...
>One question; Is cichilisuite available as separate record or just one?
>At Warp-Net they had what appeared to be three different covers, one
>having like seven songs. What's the deal, what does your copy look like?
>Could you send me the WAP number just in case?
Well, the 12" version is 2 separate records. Part one and two (just like the
'Envane' 12"s). The CD version has all the tracks combined.
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Plaid
In article <5vti87$7re$7...@news.ox.ac.uk>, gree...@sable.ox.ac.uk says...
>Wow, pretentious use of language, sycophantic praising and
>gushing,rambling text - have you ever thought about a job as a British
>music journalist? ;-)
I'm not *that* pretentious am I ;)
>I'd agree with you on the emotion thing - it's hard to
>fathom how they can put so much humanity, depth and feeling into the
>machines. A lot of people level the accusation that Autechre are making
>cold, soulless machine music but I don't see that at all.
I can see where the cold part comes in. But, cold in an emotional way. Like
watching one of the 'Alien' movies. especially part 2 where the crew first
lands on the abandoned planet. Autechre's music would be the first thing I'd
think would be playing on the radio there. Autechre is kind of like a lost
world that's lost even further into it's own self.
Plaid
In article <3422E4...@telegram.infi.net>, jac...@telegram.infi.net
says...
>I bought seefeel's Quique a while ago, and I liked it. What would you
>suggest for their other albums?
>
>BTW I like cold and abstract stuff too! Where can I hear without buying?
Well, you'll definitely like Seefeel's 'Succor' record that is very cold and
abstract. In a good way, though. Although it is their toughest listen. Don't
expect the feel good melodies of other seefeel records. 'Succor' is dark and
very detatched. Kind of like some of Biosphere's work (an artist out of
Norway that you'd probably like as well).
Christian Stigen Larsen
On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, jack wrote:
|
| > In article <3421E4...@telegram.infi.net>, jac...@telegram.infi.net
| > says...
| >
| > >Is Ae's cichlisuite any good?
| >
| > In a word....yes. While it's alot more mellow than Chiastic, it still retains
| > Sean and Rob's instinct for intricate structure and sub-text, so to speak.
Cichlisuite was OK, but I somehow feel they take a small step backwards
again, compared with Chiastic Slide. The way the songs are built up is in
my opinion getting _just_ a little bit too repetitive.
| > It is my theory that Autechre sold their souls to the devil to make such
| > fucking brilliant music. ;)
So that explains it ;D
christian s. larsen aka beacon/sublevel3 ---------
visit our ambient den http://www.sublevel3.org ----
jack
Christian Stigen Larsen wrote:
>
> Cichlisuite was OK, but I somehow feel they take a small step backwards
> again, compared with Chiastic Slide. The way the songs are built up is in
> my opinion getting _just_ a little bit too repetitive.
>
Well, I ordered it from CDnow the other day, and it should be here
within a week or so. I am in heavy anticipation!!!! At least the new
CD's (I have been waiting forever!!) from Björk and Portishead will tide
me over. :-)
I have special ordered Chiastic Slide from a local record store here in
the US, and they said 4-6 weeks. Should I cancel that and order it from
somewhere else? I get the feeling it's never going to come! They're
going to charge me 21$ for it, whereas CDnow is charging like 28$ +
shipping. Any advice?
(Cichlisuite was only 12$). Not bad for an import EP in the US.
Christian Stigen Larsen
On Mon, 22 Sep 1997, jack wrote:
|
| I have special ordered Chiastic Slide from a local record store here in
| the US, and they said 4-6 weeks. Should I cancel that and order it from
| somewhere else? I get the feeling it's never going to come!
I've ordered quite a bit of CDs from http://www.warp-net.com and they're
very fast in delivering. I can't remember the price for "Chiastic Slide"
right now, but I remember that the albums were pretty cheap (that is,
compared to Norwegian prices ;)
A.J. Wells
Plaid wrote:
>
> In article <3421E4...@telegram.infi.net>, jac...@telegram.infi.net
> says...
>
> >Is Ae's cichlisuite any good?
>
> In a word....yes. While it's alot more mellow than Chiastic, it still retains
> Sean and Rob's instinct for intricate structure and sub-text, so to speak.
> are what quicky jump to mind when I hear it. While you think you might have
> the tracks figured out, they completely change on you during listens and with
> repeated listens. Each track is a separate emotion. Emotions of discomfort
> and delusion that to me are basically distortions on reality. I guess that's
> what makes Autechre so unique. 'Cichlisuite' is very deceiving in it's
> minimalism upon first few listens, but like most Autechre releases, reel you
> in slowly for the untimate mindfuck.
Hmm... my take on this EP is that its kind of a minor installment in the
Booth/Brown catalog... two of the later tracks are quite strong, but the
first few are a little on the thin side, often relying on many of the
same samples in several tracks... and the melodies (implied or stated)
are fairly minimal... but its still light years ahead of most of the
dreck that is passing for modern music at the moment...
>
> It is my theory that Autechre sold their souls to the devil to make such
> fucking brilliant music. ;)
and I thought that they just fired up their Juno and their sampler and
worked really hard... ;)
AJW
A.J. Wells
Mark Bartlam wrote:
>
> jack (jac...@telegram.infi.net) posted the following:
> : A couple of quick questions:
> :
> : What is Disjecta's music like?
>
> Uneasy listening. I don't like it - I find it really hard to get into, and
> I'm a *big* fan of Seefeel (currently recording a new album - yay!).
Yes they were recently advertising for a drummer for that record I
think...
I've always loved the IDEA of Seefeel, but the actuality of the music is
that its usually DOA... I do like the Starethrough EP and the beatless
tracks off of Succor... Mark Cliffords horribly plodding drum
programming and their reliance on deadening repetition are real
interest-killers... their guitar sampling is very, very basic when
contrasted with something like Main or even MBV, who Seefeel obviously
emulate... their tracks arent really tracks, they are collections of
basic sequences repeated over and over... you can almost see the four
bar loops rolling by on the Atari screen as they lazily phone in many of
their tracks... in contrast, listen to the most minimal of Ae's tracks
and I defy anyone to find anything that repeats for more than a few
bars... its the old line about things needing to be as simple as
possible, but no simpler... of the Seefeel offshoots, I like most of the
Van Hoen/Seymour stuff including the Scala EPs and records and the
Locust stuff...
> I've listened to Looking For Snags and Clean Pit And Lid and they're
> both very minimal, but I find the music very cold and abstract. There's
> not much in the way of hooks to grab on to.
>
> Personally, I wouldn't recommend it. I'd suggest you try before
> you buy.
The Disjecta records are probably a 3 or 4 on a ten scale... best to
listen to while you are doing something... not much of substance
there... nice sleeve on Clean Pit though...
Kevin O'Donovan
"A.J. Wells" <ajw...@ix.netcom.comREMOVE> writes:
>I've always loved the IDEA of Seefeel, but the actuality of the music is
>that its usually DOA... I do like the Starethrough EP and the beatless
>tracks off of Succor... Mark Cliffords horribly plodding drum
[snip]
Yeah Clifford's stuff on his own was a real let down. Then if you
listen to something like Scala's Beauty Nowhere where Van Hoen took
his place theres a huge change from the Seefeel stuff that was on
Warp [their stuff on Too Pure was always much better IMHO], Sarah
Peacocks voice is used a lot more and the tracks are more interesting.
CH-Vox was also very disappointing. I hope that their new stuff is
like the Scala LP or, as you said, the Locust LPs (Morning Light
is brilliant, has anyone ever heard of Zoe Niblett before?)
Seefeel are playing in the Powerhaus in London on Ocotber 31st,
anyone here going? Should be interesting to see what they sound
like nowadays (and also live).
kod
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jack
A.J. Wells wrote:
> I've always loved the IDEA of Seefeel, but the actuality of the music is
> that its usually DOA... I do like the Starethrough EP and the beatless
> tracks off of Succor... Mark Cliffords horribly plodding drum
> interest-killers... their guitar sampling is very, very basic when
> contrasted with something like Main or even MBV, who Seefeel obviously
> emulate... their tracks arent really tracks, they are collections of
> basic sequences repeated over and over... you can almost see the four
> bar loops rolling by on the Atari screen as they lazily phone in many of
> their tracks... in contrast, listen to the most minimal of Ae's tracks
> and I defy anyone to find anything that repeats for more than a few
> bars... its the old line about things needing to be as simple as
> possible, but no simpler... of the Seefeel offshoots, I like most of the
> Van Hoen/Seymour stuff including the Scala EPs and records and the
> Locust stuff...
Mmmm. I agree, I liked Quique but the drums annoyed me. I like stuff
with variation, and that's Autechre's forte!!!! Main I also like, in
healthy doses. Speaking of Main, what can you recommend... all I have is
the Hz double CD. I have still not discovered all of it, but what's the
rest of their work like.
rex
In article <3428AB...@ix.netcom.comREMOVE>, ajw...@ix.netcom.comREMOVE
wrote:
> The Disjecta records are probably a 3 or 4 on a ten scale...
Disjecta not 3 or 4 IMO but 7 or 8!
I've sold me Seefeel CDs (except for Succor) and still have the Disjecta
CDs. It seems to me that any music that relies on "hooks" or catchy
melodies just doesn't have much shelf life in my collection. The Disjecta
CD's seem to grow on me the more I listen to them in the same way that Ae
CDs do. Complexity and monotony (as in repetitive) doesn't mean it
difficult and boring.
> best to listen to while you are doing something...
Listening seems to be a lost pleasure these days.
Can a person be doing absolutely nothing and not be listening?
> not much of substance there... nice sleeve on Clean Pit though...
I can't seem to be able to define substance in the context of music/sound.
Is it purely subjective? I don't know. Substance? Is that a focus/melody?
Sleeve artwork is marketing, never let your eyes listen for you.
If you believe music can be made to reflect/enhance your many moods well
then there may be a place for Disjecta etc...(all sounds = music)...etc.
Just my two cents worth.
REX
Shut your eyes the musics on.
A.J. Wells
rex wrote:
>
> In article <3428AB...@ix.netcom.comREMOVE>, ajw...@ix.netcom.comREMOVE
> wrote:
>
>
> > The Disjecta records are probably a 3 or 4 on a ten scale...
>
> Disjecta not 3 or 4 IMO but 7 or 8!
> I've sold me Seefeel CDs (except for Succor) and still have the Disjecta
> CDs. It seems to me that any music that relies on "hooks" or catchy
> melodies just doesn't have much shelf life in my collection. The Disjecta
> CD's seem to grow on me the more I listen to them in the same way that Ae
> CDs do. Complexity and monotony (as in repetitive) doesn't mean it
> difficult and boring.
It doesnt HAVE to mean difficult and boring... but in most of Cliffords
work, it does... actually not really difficult, just boring... as far as
complexity goes, with minimal, repetitive music, its often in the ear of
the beholder rather than in the hand of the artist... I bet Clifford
himself would cop to the relatively lazy approach of his programming...
>
> > best to listen to while you are doing something...
>
> Listening seems to be a lost pleasure these days.
> Can a person be doing absolutely nothing and not be listening?
There are a number of levels of attention, arent there? In my book,
things like Seefeel and that ilk are best appreciated with low
expectations and often low attention levels... of course I'd rather curl
up with something interesting and turn the lights out, but variety is
the... well, you know
>
> > not much of substance there... nice sleeve on Clean Pit though...
>
> I can't seem to be able to define substance in the context of music/sound.
> Is it purely subjective? I don't know. Substance? Is that a focus/melody?
For me, substance in relation to abstract music means something that has
some sort of internal logic or a matrix that seems to grow out of itself
rather than the premeditated idea of the artist... something that has a
reason for existing... it cant always be defined in words, but most
people can tell the difference between the minimalism of Ae and the
minimalism of Cliffords projects... that difference is substance
>
> Sleeve artwork is marketing, never let your eyes listen for you.
Oh I let my eyes listen for me every day... and my ears can see on a
good day... why limit your experience? A good sleeve is a good sleeve,
nothing more or less
>
> If you believe music can be made to reflect/enhance your many moods well
> then there may be a place for Disjecta etc...(all sounds = music)...etc.
I think if people realized how little was involved in this type of
"minimalism", they would get themselves a sampler and generate their own
endless repetition... thereby bypassing sleeve art altogether
AJW
Danny Spaceboy
> I've always loved the IDEA of Seefeel, but the actuality of the music is
> that its usually DOA... I do like the Starethrough EP and the beatless
> tracks off of Succor... Mark Cliffords horribly plodding drum
> programming and their reliance on deadening repetition are real
> interest-killers... their guitar sampling is very, very basic when
> contrasted with something like Main or even MBV, who Seefeel obviously
> emulate... their tracks arent really tracks, they are collections of
> basic sequences repeated over and over... you can almost see the four
> bar loops rolling by on the Atari screen as they lazily phone in many
i only know the succour lp and agree that the laid back tracks are
buitifull whilst the industrial tracks are awfull. i met the band
photographing them for 'lizard' magazine. and the main man stormed out
when in small talk i called them an ambiant band, but they turned out to
be ok.
Danny Spaceboy
A.J. Wells
>
> Mmmm. I agree, I liked Quique but the drums annoyed me. I like stuff
> with variation, and that's Autechre's forte!!!! Main I also like, in
> healthy doses. Speaking of Main, what can you recommend... all I have is
> the Hz double CD. I have still not discovered all of it, but what's the
> rest of their work like.
Of course I couldnt find any of my Main records around... someone must
have "borrowed" them again... the Firmament series is pretty
interesting...
AJW
A.J. Norman
In article <342987...@telegram.infi.net>, jack
> recommend... all I have is the Hz double CD. I have still not
> discovered all of it, but what's the rest of their work like.
"Hydra-Calm" is more like Loop, Main's roots as a guitar rock band still
showing, "Dry Stone Feed" and "Firmament" are transitional, and "Motion
Pool" has a nice mixture of riff-based stuff and the more abstract
style. "Firmament II" is unsettling ambience, "Firmament III" is more
like "Hz", a warmer sound. "Ligature" is a set of remixes from "Motion
Pool" and earlier, mostly by Main themselves (Main was a duo then, but
it's just Robert Hampson now). Recent live album "Deliquescence" was a
bit disappointing, I thought. If you liked "Hz" I'd say the next ones
to go for are "Firmament III" and "Motion Pool".
--
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n...@le.ac.uk
http://www.le.ac.uk/engineering/nja/
Arnaud Rhone
A.J. Wells wrote:
>For me, substance in relation to abstract music means something
>that has some sort of internal logic or a matrix that seems to grow
>out of itself rather than the premeditated idea of the artist...
>something that has a reason for existing... it cant always be defined
>in words, but most people can tell the difference between the
>minimalism of Ae and the minimalism of Cliffords projects... that
>difference is substance
Woo-Hoo! I nominate this as the Most Pretentious Post of the Year on
alt.music.techno; Wells out-does himself yet again...Ever consider
ghostwriting a chapter for Simon Reynolds' next book, Wells?
And another thing- ask "most people" about Autechre or Disjecta and
most likely you'll receive a blank stare rather than a semantic
dissertation over
the merits of their individual aesthetics...
arnaud
Kevin O'Donovan
Arnaud Rhone <ar9...@bcm.tmc.edu> writes:
> And another thing- ask "most people" about Autechre or Disjecta and
> most likely you'll receive a blank stare rather than a semantic
>dissertation over
> the merits of their individual aesthetics...
???? Wasnt that Cichli Suite I saw at No. 1 in the MTV Video top
ten there only yesterday, followed by Here by Disjecta at No. 2?
Ben Coffer
In article <60j3pu$3...@gosset.maths.tcd.ie>, Kevin O'Donovan
<kodo...@maths.tcd.ie> writes
>Arnaud Rhone <ar9...@bcm.tmc.edu> writes:
>
>> And another thing- ask "most people" about Autechre or Disjecta and
>> most likely you'll receive a blank stare rather than a semantic
>>dissertation over
>> the merits of their individual aesthetics...
>
>???? Wasnt that Cichli Suite I saw at No. 1 in the MTV Video top
>ten there only yesterday, followed by Here by Disjecta at No. 2?
Surely not.....I didn't even realise Autechre even *had* a video
for sicklysweet.....wassit like?
--
Ben Coffer
Hybrid Productions
http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/
jack
Arnaud Rhone wrote:
>
> A.J. Wells wrote:
>
> >For me, substance in relation to abstract music means something
> >that has some sort of internal logic or a matrix that seems to grow
> >out of itself rather than the premeditated idea of the artist...
> >something that has a reason for existing... it cant always be defined
> >in words, but most people can tell the difference between the
> >minimalism of Ae and the minimalism of Cliffords projects... that
> >difference is substance
>
> Woo-Hoo! I nominate this as the Most Pretentious Post of the Year on
> alt.music.techno; Wells out-does himself yet again...Ever consider
> ghostwriting a chapter for Simon Reynolds' next book, Wells?
>
> most likely you'll receive a blank stare rather than a semantic
> dissertation over
> the merits of their individual aesthetics...
>
Oh come on. Maybe it was a *little* pretentious but that is much better
than not even talking about it. Just because most people do not discuss
semantic *anything* doesn't mean that we can't.
Besides, can it really be the *MOST* pretentious? I mean this IS
alt.music.techno..... come on.
Tom
On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 18:22:07 -0500, Arnaud Rhone <ar9...@bcm.tmc.edu>
wrote:
>A.J. Wells wrote:
>
>>For me, substance in relation to abstract music means something
>>that has some sort of internal logic or a matrix that seems to grow
>>out of itself rather than the premeditated idea of the artist...
>>something that has a reason for existing... it cant always be defined
>>in words, but most people can tell the difference between the
>>minimalism of Ae and the minimalism of Cliffords projects... that
>>difference is substance
>
> Woo-Hoo! I nominate this as the Most Pretentious Post of the Year on
> alt.music.techno; Wells out-does himself yet again...Ever consider
> ghostwriting a chapter for Simon Reynolds' next book, Wells?
I thought it was a great post, even if I don't necessarily agree with
it. More of this sort of thing, less carping please. But then Simon
Reynolds is my favourite music critic, hands down :). When's his new
book out, incidentally?
Cheers,
Tom.
Tatie Danielle
In article <60n44n$64d$1...@nnrp2.snfc21.pbi.net>, mukamuk....@pacbell.net
says...
>For those of you who find Seefeel's "beatier" stuff boring, have you heard
>Scala's Beauty Nowhere? Scala is an alias of Seefeel *minus* Mark Clifford,
>and though I've only heard this album 3 or 4 times (just picked it up),
what's
>striking is how "fucked up" it sounds in comparison to the rest of their
>work... darker, more disturbing, chaotic.
The strange thing is, it may sound more fucked up, but Sarah Peacock's voice
balances it out so well. I haven't heard the new Scala EP, but I really love
'Beauty Nowhere'. It's quite a difficult listen and in more ways I like them
better than Seefeel.
The one artist I still haven't heard is Locust (Mark Van Hoen, not the other
Locust). Can anyone point me to a good record to start with?
--
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Sourcelab 3 (CD1)
Sourcelab 3 (CD2)
Js (Jim) Adams
grie...@netaxs.com ([ a u m g n ]) writes:
>incidentally, has anyone heard Echo Park? that's the one seefeel side
>project i've never heard (i've never even seen their damn records...)
much like a 'rougher' Scala ... I like it alot, but more for completists.
The track "razor kiss" appears on the Lo Recordings sampler _united
mutations_ beside the 12-inch which includes remixes and an additional
track ... more Twisted Science <Tye's alter-ego> than Scala-like. There is
also a Ui vs. Echo Park mix out there on a Lo sampler/dj vinyl box set.
Your mileage may vary ...
The story thus far: ... and Seefeel begat Disjecta, Woodenspoon, Scala,
Seymour and Van Hoen, and Echo Park. Seefeel live in London, 31 October;
new disc promised ... with a new drummer? ... new Scala promised ... Mark
Clifford recording with Liz Fraser ... new Seefeel track on Bubblecore
<sp?> compilation just out. <is this archive or from the summer sessions?>
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(stalled)
Tatie Danielle wrote:
> The one artist I still haven't heard is Locust (Mark Van Hoen, not the other
> Locust). Can anyone point me to a good record to start with?
"truth is born of arguments" is a great record. similar to beauty
nowhere in the weirdness/cut up dept., but primarily instrumental. a bit
of an influence on recent autechre stuff. starts out slightly harsh and
experimental dancier stuff, and turns into a jazz record by the end of
it...sort of. very nice. i also have "weathered well" which is dark,
cool bur very predictable "intelligent techno".
np: autechre "characi"
--
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you know why
Do not pray for him
Mukamuk
>> I've always loved the IDEA of Seefeel, but the actuality of the music is
>> that its usually DOA... I do like the Starethrough EP and the beatless
>> tracks off of Succor... Mark Cliffords horribly plodding drum
>> programming and their reliance on deadening repetition are real
>> interest-killers...
>
>buitifull whilst the industrial tracks are awfull. i met the band
>photographing them for 'lizard' magazine. and the main man stormed out
>when in small talk i called them an ambiant band, but they turned out to
>be ok.
I've been following this thread with interest because I like both the beatless
and the percussive sides of Seefeel. I think calling anything of theirs
"industrial" is unfair, they're clearly not trying to be that. I think the
reason the clanking repetitious beats work (for me) is because of their
context, being set against quiet murmuring loops. I also find Succour to be an
overall reworking (and better) of ideas sketched insufficiently on
Starethrough.
For those of you who find Seefeel's "beatier" stuff boring, have you heard
Scala's Beauty Nowhere? Scala is an alias of Seefeel *minus* Mark Clifford,
and though I've only heard this album 3 or 4 times (just picked it up), what's
striking is how "fucked up" it sounds in comparison to the rest of their
work... darker, more disturbing, chaotic. It's got those exciting elements of
change that you're looking for. Not to mention that the album ends with a
cover of Blondie's "Heart of Glass" (though this is far from the best song).
Check it out, and learn more about the ways that Mark Clifford both helps and
hinders their sound.
--
"Some scientists believe it's hydrogen, but I disagree.
I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and *that*
is the basic building block of the universe."
--Frank Zappa
[ a u m g n ]
the following was shat forth by [Tatie Danielle (cow...@ix.netcom.com)]:
:>The strange thing is, it may sound more fucked up, but Sarah Peacock's voice
:>'Beauty Nowhere'. It's quite a difficult listen and in more ways I like them
:>better than Seefeel.
i have the new scala EP (_slide_), incidentally, and it's kind of
depressing; it sounds like they might be trying to go commercial. sarah's
vocals are completely transfigured into something resembling Elastica more
than Seefeel. godamnit. i'm sticking with _beauty nowhere_ and _lips and
heaven_ for the moment. but i probably will buy the new album.
:>The one artist I still haven't heard is Locust (Mark Van Hoen, not the other
:>Locust). Can anyone point me to a good record to start with?
_truth is born of arguments_. it's nicely bizarre instrumental electronic
stuff, some of it very dark, some not. there's an excellent review in
phlow's web pages (i think it's at hyperreal.com), with sound samples i
think. incidentally, don't be put off by the cover art (a depressed
looking model-chik) or song titles, it's really quite excellent.
:>Death Funk - Riot Funk Beats
what's this like, then?
[gr]
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the following was shat forth by [Mukamuk (mukamuk....@pacbell.net)]:
:>I've been following this thread with interest because I like both the beatless
:>"industrial" is unfair, they're clearly not trying to be that. I think the
amen. calling anything they've done "industrial" is insulting, in light
of the current state of industrial muzac.
:>context, being set against quiet murmuring loops. I also find Succour to be an
:>overall reworking (and better) of ideas sketched insufficiently on
:>Starethrough.
interesting. i find it really depressing, personally. to me _succour_ is
like the aural equivalent of the death of seefeel, with _starethrough_
being a nice, mournful transition between the warmer early stuff
(_quique_, etc.) and _succour_'s skeletal re-construction of their sound.
i do like all of their work, in different ways. i actually got into
_ch-vox_ and their tracks on _ancient lights and the blackcore_ before
anything else.
[scala]
:>Check it out, and learn more about the ways that Mark Clifford both helps and
:>hinders their sound.
it _is_ interesting. i think if you listen to disjecta's _clean pit and
lid_ it's fairly obvious that clifford shaped a lot of the seefeel sound;
the first 2 tracks wouldn't be out of place on a late seefeel record.
ashame the rest of it is just piddling AFX rip-offs. i also wonder how
much of scala's brilliance is mark van hoen...
incidentally, has anyone heard Echo Park? that's the one seefeel side
project i've never heard (i've never even seen their damn records...)
[gr]
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Tatie Danielle
In article <60nij6$9...@netaxs.com>, grie...@netaxs.com says...
>incidentally, has anyone heard Echo Park? that's the one seefeel side
>project i've never heard (i've never even seen their damn records...)
I didn't even know they were a Seefeel side-project. I almost bought one of
their EP's for the Dom and Roland remix, but heard it wasn't that great.
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Death Funk - Riot Funk Beats
Tatie Danielle
In article <60pd1c$m...@netaxs.com>, grie...@netaxs.com says...
>:>Death Funk - Riot Funk Beats
>
>what's this like, then?
This is Alec Empire's new project and the first release for the DHR-Limited
label (each release is limited to 2000 CD's and 2000 12"s). Very distorted
almost industrial sounding breakbeat. Some of it is reminiscent to stuff from
Alec's 'The Destroyer' record and some of it reminds of the slow and crunchy
distorted beats of early Techno Animal. Worth getting for fans of Alec Empire
and Chrome records.
There is a new 3CD set called 'The Guist of Alec Ampire' due out next week,
and his next DHR album 'Squeeze The Trigger' will be out next month. Also
look out for his upcoming collaboration with Techno Animal called Animal
Empire.
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Tom wrote:
> Simon Reynolds is my favourite music critic, hands down :). When's his > new book out, incidentally?
>
> Cheers,
> Tom.
From Mr. Reynolds' website on AOL (?!!):
"my current, as-yet-untitled work-in-progress: a history of rave
culture/electronic dance music/the drugs-technology interface, covering
everything from acid house to jungle. This is due for publication in
late 1997 by Picador in the U.K. and Little, Brown in North America."
Tatie Danielle
In article <60usmq$n...@netaxs.com>, grie...@netaxs.com says...
>question time: how many warfare 12"s are there? i have the warfare vs.
>makai 12", but that's the only one i know about for sure...
There is one other Warfare 12" and it is also on Gyration records. It's
called 'Species' and the catalogue number is GY-004. very similar to the
other Warfare stuff. Distorted crunchy beats
Another Panacea alias is Problem Child and he has 2 12" singles on Chrome
records. More in the jump-up vein, but still wicked as hell.
Just released this week is the Panacea 'Peel Sessions' 12" (Chrome 15) and it
is pretty great.
PS - Is your user name a reference to the wonderful Can song?
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the following was shat forth by [Tatie Danielle (cow...@ix.netcom.com)]:
:>>:>Death Funk - Riot Funk Beats
:>This is Alec Empire's new project and the first release for the DHR-Limited
:>almost industrial sounding breakbeat. Some of it is reminiscent to stuff from
:>Alec's 'The Destroyer' record and some of it reminds of the slow and crunchy
:>distorted beats of early Techno Animal. Worth getting for fans of Alec Empire
:>and Chrome records.
incidentally, i just got the deathfunk CD (thanks for the recommendation,
cowsfan/whatever yr. name is) - it's brutally, awesomely
wicked. i also got the panacea vs. alec empire (chrome 13) 12" - this is
so amazingly godlike i just want to put it on and roll around on the
floor.
question time: how many warfare 12"s are there? i have the warfare vs.
makai 12", but that's the only one i know about for sure...
thanks,
[grievous]
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:>other Warfare stuff. Distorted crunchy beats
ok, cool. i was under the impression that there were two "species"
12"s...
:>Another Panacea alias is Problem Child and he has 2 12" singles on Chrome
:>records. More in the jump-up vein, but still wicked as hell.
just out of curiosity, does anyone know that that's REALLY panacea? i
just find the problem child 12" i have to be kind of dull, while every
other panacea release is anything but...
:>PS - Is your user name a reference to the wonderful Can song?
yeah. _tago mago_ is currently dominating my CD player.
[gr]
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M
> re ghost: i've been into them for a couple of years now - i have
_second
> time around_, _lamarabirabi_ and _temple stone_, all of which are
amazing,
> especially the latter two. i'm working on getting some of the other
> masaki batoh stuff, like his solo album, cosmic invention (wonderful
> psych-freakout stuff), and some of the marble sheep stuff (if i can...)
> all of the japanese psych stuff is pretty brilliant. immaterial to this
> newsgroup, but i can't think of one that it is germaine to!
>
It's nice to see a post discussing non-american-hippy-psychedelic-rock.
The best psych is usually that which defies the stereotypes. A lot of the
late 60's-early 70's Krautrock is especially psychedelic and far-out.
Same goes for a lot of the current hard-psych Japanese bands. Speaking of
which, I'd like to recommend Sweet&Honey (featuring a member of Ghost), an
extremely dense space-rock/psych thing from Japan. Their only album has
been released by an American label in LA, which means it's affordable.
Same goes for White Heaven's "Levitation" on the same label. Can't
remember the name of the label, though I can look it up if anyone is
interested.
La Haine
In article <6119bf$2...@netaxs.com>, grie...@netaxs.com says...
>:>Another Panacea alias is Problem Child and he has 2 12" singles on Chrome
>:>records. More in the jump-up vein, but still wicked as hell.
>
>just out of curiosity, does anyone know that that's REALLY panacea? i
>just find the problem child 12" i have to be kind of dull, while every
>other panacea release is anything but...
Funny enough, I find the Problem Child stuff pretty dull as well. I'm pretty
sure it's him, though.
>:>PS - Is your user name a reference to the wonderful Can song?
>
>yeah. _tago mago_ is currently dominating my CD player.
Me too. I've been trying to locate 'Ege Bamyasi' and some of their first few
albums on CD, but to no avail. Have you heard Ghost? They are a
psych-folk-band out of Japan and are wonderful. Look for an album of theirs
called 'Lama Rabi Rabi'. You might not get into it at first, but after a
couple listens you will be hooked, like me and many others :)
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the following was shat forth by [La Haine (cow...@ix.netcom.com)]:
:>Funny enough, I find the Problem Child stuff pretty dull as well. I'm pretty
i could believe it, i suppose - there is some slight similarity to
_stormbringer_... i dunno, though. i wish i had the guy's email address
:) then i could find out AND kiss his ass in person.
:>>yeah. _tago mago_ is currently dominating my CD player.
:>Me too. I've been trying to locate 'Ege Bamyasi' and some of their first few
:>albums on CD, but to no avail. Have you heard Ghost? They are a
:>psych-folk-band out of Japan and are wonderful. Look for an album of theirs
:>called 'Lama Rabi Rabi'. You might not get into it at first, but after a
:>couple listens you will be hooked, like me and many others :)
re can: my problem is that my local record store has all of the early can
albums, but they're 20-22 bucks each. there is a store up north that has
them for 13 bucks each, so i picked up _tago mago_ and _delay_.
re ghost: i've been into them for a couple of years now - i have _second
time around_, _lamarabirabi_ and _temple stone_, all of which are amazing,
especially the latter two. i'm working on getting some of the other
masaki batoh stuff, like his solo album, cosmic invention (wonderful
psych-freakout stuff), and some of the marble sheep stuff (if i can...)
all of the japanese psych stuff is pretty brilliant. immaterial to this
newsgroup, but i can't think of one that it is germaine to!
now hurting me: deathfunk _funk beat riot_ (thanks again for the
recommendation!!!)
La Haine
In article <613i1s$o...@netaxs.com>, grie...@netaxs.com says...
>re ghost: i've been into them for a couple of years now - i have _second
>time around_, _lamarabirabi_ and _temple stone_, all of which are amazing,
>especially the latter two. i'm working on getting some of the other
>masaki batoh stuff, like his solo album, cosmic invention.
There is a in-line store that runs out of San Franciso that has an amazingly
huge japanese section. They have everything you are looking for. I'll get
back to you with the URL.
I'm planning on buying Cosmic Intervention this week. My local store has that
and the other two Ghost albums I don't have (Temple stone and second time
around). I'm really addicted to them.
I also love alot of the stuff on the Mego label, but it's so damn expensive.
My local store wanted $23 for the Pita album, but from what I've heard off of
it, it sounds great. I have several Farmer's Manual items and haven't found
much else ont the label.
La Haine
In article <01bcd04d$7af0ec80$6653...@LOU.cnet.com>, d...@fed.com says...
>It's nice to see a post discussing non-american-hippy-psychedelic-rock.
>The best psych is usually that which defies the stereotypes. A lot of the
>late 60's-early 70's Krautrock is especially psychedelic and far-out.
>Same goes for a lot of the current hard-psych Japanese bands.
Seriously. I mean the doors and the beatles were pretty psychedelic, but
stuff like Ghost, Can, Velvet Underground and other kraut-psych-folk-rock
simply blows me away. I hear that Ghost performs in old churches. That would
be pretty interesting to see. I missed last month's show in LA and heard they
were fantastic.
PS - Thanks for the Sweet&Honey recommendation.