Ravers or Goths...who are better dancers?
Robb Cunningham
>
> On 12 Sep 1998 02:27:27 GMT, ja...@ix.netcom.com(THE ONE) had the
> sheer temerity to say:
>
> >This may seem silly, but I always thought ravers were the best dancers
> >since they tend to be fanatical about the music and not give a crap
> >about how silly they look and just dance a storm with hands and legs
> >flailing everywhere to the beat.
>
> This does not make one a good dancer. This makes one a shameless fool.
I'd rather be a shameless fool than someone with a stick jammed so
far up their ass that they'd label someone a shameless fool based
on how the person dances.
Robb Cunningham
>
> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:33:47 -0700, Robb Cunningham <he...@toe.knee>
> had the sheer temerity to say:
>
> >Empty wrote:
> >>
> >> On 12 Sep 1998 02:27:27 GMT, ja...@ix.netcom.com(THE ONE) had the
> >> sheer temerity to say:
> >>
> >> >This may seem silly, but I always thought ravers were the best dancers
> >> >since they tend to be fanatical about the music and not give a crap
> >> >about how silly they look and just dance a storm with hands and legs
> >> >flailing everywhere to the beat.
> >>
> >> This does not make one a good dancer. This makes one a shameless fool.
> >
> >I'd rather be a shameless fool than someone with a stick jammed so
> >far up their ass that they'd label someone a shameless fool based
> >on how the person dances.
> >
>
> sense of humor.
>
I'd rather not have a sense of humor than try to dance with a tree
shoved up my ass
THE ONE
since they tend to be fanatical about the music and not give a crap
about how silly they look and just dance a storm with hands and legs
flailing everywhere to the beat.
But then, I was recently at a club where goths were in one room and
techno clubbers in another and I saw the "Goth" dance or whatever you
call it. So graceful these Goths. I hate to say that the Goth dance,
although not danced to the rhythm of the music, might actually be more
elaborate than the craziest rave dance.
I know as a quasi-raver, it shouldn't matter how you dance (very
un-PLUR...eh?) and this is an obvious trool but I think a troll worthy
of discussion. Who are the better dancers? Any comments?
Then again, I wonder how many ravers have actually seen the "Goth"
dance. For depressed negative people, they dance very well.
peace. out.
the one
Empty
sheer temerity to say:
>This may seem silly, but I always thought ravers were the best dancers
>since they tend to be fanatical about the music and not give a crap
>about how silly they look and just dance a storm with hands and legs
>flailing everywhere to the beat.
This does not make one a good dancer. This makes one a shameless fool.
>But then, I was recently at a club where goths were in one room and
>techno clubbers in another and I saw the "Goth" dance or whatever you
>call it. So graceful these Goths. I hate to say that the Goth dance,
>although not danced to the rhythm of the music, might actually be more
>elaborate than the craziest rave dance.
We call it the Gothique BootStomp(tm).
>I know as a quasi-raver, it shouldn't matter how you dance (very
>un-PLUR...eh?) and this is an obvious trool but I think a troll worthy
>of discussion. Who are the better dancers? Any comments?
.
>Then again, I wonder how many ravers have actually seen the "Goth"
>dance. For depressed negative people, they dance very well.
Please subtract your prejudices and labels. I am not depressed and/or
negative any more often than your average Tom, Dick, or Harry. And I'm
usually perkier than your average RaveBunny.
~Empty.
>peace. out.
>the one
>
>
"That which does not kill me only makes me mad. And
that which makes me mad just might kill YOU." -Sionn
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Matthew Thomas Wright
> un-PLUR...eh?) and this is an obvious trool but I think a troll worthy
> of discussion. Who are the better dancers? Any comments?
> Then again, I wonder how many ravers have actually seen the "Goth"
> dance. For depressed negative people, they dance very well.
yeh i've noticed this too.. there used to be a club here with a
goth/industrial room and a techno room (dunno why they insist on mixing
those two) and i always thought the goths were preety boring dancers..
they seem to like to woosh their clothes about the place... and sort of
act things out for each other.. but i reckon goths are preety ridiculous
charecters anyway.. "muhahah im a vampire! now, wheres my coke gone..?"
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Empty
>Empty wrote:
>>
>> On 12 Sep 1998 02:27:27 GMT, ja...@ix.netcom.com(THE ONE) had the
>> sheer temerity to say:
>>
>> >This may seem silly, but I always thought ravers were the best dancers
>> >since they tend to be fanatical about the music and not give a crap
>> >about how silly they look and just dance a storm with hands and legs
>> >flailing everywhere to the beat.
>>
>> This does not make one a good dancer. This makes one a shameless fool.
>
>I'd rather be a shameless fool than someone with a stick jammed so
>far up their ass that they'd label someone a shameless fool based
>on how the person dances.
>
I'd rather have a stick(hell, a whole tree) up my ass than not have a
sense of humor.
~Empty, bitter and pissy and tired, oh my!
Empty
headers... Everyone, let's either turn it into a legitimate and civil
discussion or drop it entirely. Thanks all!
~Empty, attempting to slam a lid back down on a can of worms
Skerry Carrie, Quite Contrary!
ubergoffick black eyeliner:
>This may seem silly, but I always thought ravers were the best dancers
>since they tend to be fanatical about the music and not give a crap
>about how silly they look and just dance a storm with hands and legs
>flailing everywhere to the beat.
Heh. That's because they're usually so tripped out they
don't know what the fuck they're doing, and/or don't care. ;)
I've found that the only music I can dance to without feeling
like a gimp is trance techno (and.. ahem.. the Blondie Remixed
album... Stop looking at me). Put on SoM or Laibach and I'm
more apt to sit in a corner trying to look like I'm too good
to dance. ;)
>Then again, I wonder how many ravers have actually seen the "Goth"
>dance. For depressed negative people, they dance very well.
Tsk..
Stereotypes Are Hazardous To Your Health.
I find the way goths dance to be more appealing to the eye.
I can't do it, because I wind up either falling over or laughing
at myself so much that I can't breathe. :P
Carrie (looking at the other newsgroups in this xpost tentatively,
and hoping things can remain civil.... eek.)
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aryc...@yahoo.com
>This may seem silly, but I always thought ravers were the best dancers
>since they tend to be fanatical about the music and not give a crap
>about how silly they look and just dance a storm with hands and legs
>flailing everywhere to the beat.
>
>techno clubbers in another and I saw the "Goth" dance or whatever you
>call it. So graceful these Goths. I hate to say that the Goth dance,
>although not danced to the rhythm of the music, might actually be more
>elaborate than the craziest rave dance.
>
>un-PLUR...eh?) and this is an obvious trool but I think a troll worthy
>of discussion. Who are the better dancers? Any comments?
>
>dance. For depressed negative people, they dance very well.
>
>the one
oddly enough, the club i dj at just re-opened last weekend and we had
the same kind of thing going... Plastikman was playing upstairs and i was
spinning for the whole goth/industrial crowd... as far as i can tell, most of
the goths stayed downstairs, but a number or ravers came down to check out
what was going on... hell, some of them even danced to the more industrial
stuff. from what i have seen over the years, i would say the best description
is that for the most part, the raver types are more free in their dance
styles, while the goths seem more into a practiced form of dancing. not that
either requires any different level of talent; it's just a different attitude
towards the motion. and also, we have to remember that amongst these circles
there are those who just dance badly period...
Aryc O. [Nile DJ]
-Nile Theater- Mesa, AZ 602-649-2766
Dmitry303
> I'd rather have a stick(hell, a whole tree) up my ass than not have a
> sense of humor.
Let's have it your way... i'll pick an appropriate tree.
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describes the entire universe is still in progress...
Skerry Carrie, Quite Contrary!
(Empty) scribbled in ubergoffick black eyeliner:
>This is spam. CROSSPOSTED TO MANY GROUPS. My bad, didn't check the
>headers... Everyone, let's either turn it into a legitimate and civil
>discussion or drop it entirely. Thanks all!
It isn't spam.
Crossposts aren't always Ev0l Nasty Things.
And it was civil until you insulted them.
>~Empty, attempting to slam a lid back down on a can of worms
You don't need to put AGSF tags on everything, you know.
It looks.... whiny.
Carrie
Persi
says...
>Plastikman was playing upstairs and i was
>spinning for the whole goth/industrial crowd.
Plastikman played a set and you were stuck DJing downstairs? Man, I would have
postponed my set to see Ritchie spin.
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Persi
>Then again, I wonder how many ravers have actually seen the "Goth"
>dance. For depressed negative people, they dance very well.
I just have to say that Beck puts them all to shame.
Sola
<aryc...@yahoo.com> wrote: > i would say the best description > is that
for the most part, the raver types are more free in their dance >
styles, while the goths seem more into a practiced form of dancing. not
that > either requires any different level of talent; it's just a
different attitude > towards the motion. and also, we have to remember
that amongst these circles > there are those who just dance badly
period...
Woo. Kudos to DJ Nile for being.. oh, i don't know.. civil. <g> I
hereby abduct you to a.g.
As for the discussion: Why do ravers bounce around like superballs
and goths swish about like so many feather dusters?
One word: Corsets.
HTH. <g>
dreams of the City,
Sola
who has trimmed r.m.i
because frankly, i don't
think they give a fuck. ;)
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univers(e)
mir(e)k
aryc...@yahoo.com
>In article <lOnK1.43368$435.17...@news.rdc1.az.home.com>, aryc...@yahoo.com
>
>says...
>
>>Plastikman was playing upstairs and i was
>>spinning for the whole goth/industrial crowd.
>
>Plastikman played a set and you were stuck DJing downstairs? Man, I would have
>postponed my set to see Ritchie spin.
yeah, i know... but i had an obligation because it was the first night
open again after about 10 months of being closed. besides, i could hear all
the thumping through the floor ;)
Aryc O.
Stephan Jau
univers(e) wrote:
> you guys are soo fucking hillarious, it just goes back and forth =)
>
> mir(e)k
At least someone has still some brain left in here!
:o)
Well, it just depends on what you like ... why do not all people listen
to techno or punk or whatever ... we are all different, so there's no
way of telling what is better than the something else since it all
depends on one's point of view ...
Stephan
P.S.: I like really much break dancing ...
megs
> You don't need to put AGSF tags on everything, you know.
> It looks.... whiny.
>
> Carrie
What's AGSF?
Maggi
Zharov
THE ONE wrote in message <6tcm6f$1...@sjx-ixn10.ix.netcom.com>...
>This may seem silly, but I always thought ravers were the best dancers
>since they tend to be fanatical about the music and not give a crap
>about how silly they look and just dance a storm with hands and legs
>flailing everywhere to the beat.
Hmmm. I have no comment on this.
>But then, I was recently at a club where goths were in one room and
>techno clubbers in another and I saw the "Goth" dance or whatever you
>call it. So graceful these Goths. I hate to say that the Goth dance,
>although not danced to the rhythm of the music, might actually be more
>elaborate than the craziest rave dance.
I think it is important to know there are two main "goth" dances. IMHO that
is.
One is the DC two-step than was also described as the Gothic Stomp(TM). It
tends to be more prevalent on the east coast, where the line between
industrial and Goth is blurry. It involves jumping around alot, and
occassional injury to other dancers, if you drink too much.
The other is the SF Swish. This is more seen on the West Coast, where
people dress in a more elaborate fashion and the music tends to be more
ethereal gothic. It involves walking in circles, bowing, doing weird
vogue-esque things with your hands.
I presume you are talking about the second.
Please note, I don't consider the above dances or the "stereotypes"
presented therein to be universal truths, but they are convenient
categories.
--My friends and I occasionally do the Can-Can--
>I know as a quasi-raver, it shouldn't matter how you dance (very
>un-PLUR...eh?) and this is an obvious trool but I think a troll worthy
>of discussion. Who are the better dancers? Any comments?
This is like comparing "River Dance" to the Viennese Waltz. It can't really
be answered.
>Then again, I wonder how many ravers have actually seen the "Goth"
>dance. For depressed negative people, they dance very well.
For the record, I also know a fair number of Dark Ravers, who are into both.
As for being depressed and negative, everything else aside, I don't see how
your psychological state should affect your ability to dance.
THE ONE
empty@SPAM_AND_PAY.theriver.com (Empty) writes:
>
>This is spam. CROSSPOSTED TO MANY GROUPS. My bad, didn't check the
>headers... Everyone, let's either turn it into a legitimate and civil
>discussion or drop it entirely. Thanks all!
>
>
>that which makes me mad just might kill YOU." -Sionn
>ICQ: 17460327
As the original poster I feel the need to reply.
This is not spam since "spam" is used to solicit for commercial
purposes.
As I stated in the post, I was aware that it a blatant "troll" but
still worthy of discussion. At worst, someone might call it
"flamebait" but not "spam".
Anyway, the discussion has been quite civil except for your comment on
"shameless fool" which prompted some ravers to respond non-PLUR like.
(PLUR, by the way, for you Goths, stands for "Peace Love Unity Respect"
which ravers repeat to themsleves over and over and over when
confornted by jerks)
You will notice that all the NG cross-posted to are relevant. The two
cultural NG for raves and goths respectively. Techno and Dance NG
where many quasi-ravers hang out and teh industrial NG which has ssemed
to be accepted into the Goth culture lately.
Anyway, even if the discussion turns uncivil, then so be it. At least
we get to hear what's *really* on people's mind.
Peace. Out.
Rave on! and...er...Goth on!
Jay
Skerry Carrie, Quite Contrary!
<femp...@deletemehotmail.com> scribbled in ubergoffick black
eyeliner:
>What's AGSF?
Something of an organization designed to attack spammers
and evil trolls (like, binbomb trolls, etc) and put them
out of our misery.
As of late, though, people have been thinking that almost
anything even vaguely resembling a troll deserves a concentrated
attack, which truly isn't so. (GuitarCord, for all y'all agers,
is not included in who I think doesn't deserve it.)
Carrie (quite disassociated from AGSF because of this)
Grendel
> I think it is important to know there are two main "goth" dances. IMHO that
> is.
>
> One is the DC two-step than was also described as the Gothic Stomp(TM). It
> tends to be more prevalent on the east coast, where the line between
> industrial and Goth is blurry. It involves jumping around alot, and
> occassional injury to other dancers, if you drink too much.
>
> The other is the SF Swish. This is more seen on the West Coast, where
> people dress in a more elaborate fashion and the music tends to be more
> ethereal gothic. It involves walking in circles, bowing, doing weird
> vogue-esque things with your hands.
>
You forgot the "Taffy-pull" which has been around
since the early 80s.. and was started in Britan..
and considered the oldest, most common, and most
accepted gothic dance out there..
R&R,
P-GM
Andrew
>Empty wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 20:33:47 -0700, Robb Cunningham <he...@toe.knee>
>> had the sheer temerity to say:
>>
>> >Empty wrote:
>> >>
>> >> sheer temerity to say:
>> >>
>> >> >This may seem silly, but I always thought ravers were the best
dancers
>> >> >since they tend to be fanatical about the music and not give a crap
>> >> >about how silly they look and just dance a storm with hands and legs
>> >> >flailing everywhere to the beat.
>> >>
>> >
>> >I'd rather be a shameless fool than someone with a stick jammed so
>> >far up their ass that they'd label someone a shameless fool based
>> >on how the person dances.
>> >
>>
>> sense of humor.
>>
>
>shoved up my ass
>
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This is brilliant! I haven't laughed so hard in months!
Andrew
derik revenge
> I just have to say that Beck puts them all to shame.
aye... beck is a good dancer. beck can put a lot of people to shame.
derik revenge
Cool Cat w
>
>aye... beck is a good dancer. beck can put a lot of people to shame.
Anyone see Beck's "Having Sex w/ a Drum Machine" dance on the Video Awards? It
was hilarious.
ROBOT
>I'd rather not have a sense of humor than try to dance with a tree
shoved up my ass<
*ROTFLM@O*
Just be glad you don't live up here in the REDWOODS -Tallest TREES on
the Planet.
*OUCH*
sorry- that was TOO tempting to resist.
Rave, Industrial, Goth- who CARES?? To each their own. If the MusiK
gets ya, GO for it! I've been "ROBOTing" since before it was called
"Pop-Lockin'" or "Breakin'". -(Well, I can't do backspins, but, I'm
definitely a ROBOT. I am programmed to DANCE various styles according
to what's playing- not always Mechanical.)- So WHAT if I'm OLD? I can
STILL keep up with you younguns!*HeeHee*!
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Zharov
>You forgot the "Taffy-pull" which has been around
>since the early 80s.. and was started in Britan..
>and considered the oldest, most common, and most
>accepted gothic dance out there..
>
>R&R,
>
>P-GM
How embarrassing.
brea...@sprint.ca
Why? Because the subject is unimportant and petty (my shoes are cooler
than your shoes...). What matters is that people are having fun when they
dance. That's all.
B.T.W.:What the hell is a quasi-raver?
Peace
< brea...@sprint.ca >
THE ONE <ja...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
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> This may seem silly, but I always thought ravers were the best dancers
>
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N.Scott Kozyra
their asses down.
N.Scott Kozyra
.erik.gloom.
.2000.
Daniel Hayato Thomas
*start's frothing in the mouth*
DIE RAVERS DIE!
Sorry I'm usualy very nice : P
kraant (daniel) -wandering off wondering whether he realy did love
that raver girl considering that 2 months later
it still provokes this kinda reaction.. : P
ps. Ravers are better dancers RealGoths(TM) don't dance they sit in
the corners and mope and sway... ; p
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and acting like a pretentious little snot;)" - Necroangel
Skunk
America, things happen here first, yeah?
why oh why do people still break dance? I even saw young american kids
breakdancing at a rave, I stood watching with my chin on the floor.
they probably weren't born when break dancing had it's 15 minutes of
linolium covered fame... each to thier own, eh?
Nnirquist
<35F9EB...@toe.knee>...
> I'd rather be a shameless fool than someone with a stick jammed so
> far up their ass that they'd label someone a shameless fool based
> on how the person dances.
I as well. Very well put.
a.n.
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N.Scott Kozyra
>bizarre.
>America, things happen here first, yeah?
>why oh why do people still break dance? I even saw young american kids
>breakdancing at a rave, I stood watching with my chin on the floor.
>they probably weren't born when break dancing had it's 15 minutes of
>linolium covered fame... each to thier own, eh?
It's fun. Dancing is timeless.
n.scott kozyra
.erik gloom.
.2000.
THE ONE
>snip<
>B.T.W.:What the hell is a quasi-raver?
> Peace
>< brea...@sprint.ca >
>
A "quasi-raver" is a chemical-free raver.
THE ONE
>
>bizarre.
>America, things happen here first, yeah?
>why oh why do people still break dance? I even saw young american kids
>breakdancing at a rave, I stood watching with my chin on the floor.
>they probably weren't born when break dancing had it's 15 minutes of
>linolium covered fame... each to thier own, eh?
>
>
Breakdancing is the ultimate in dancing and kudos to anyone with the
agility to do it. Breakdancing will always been welcomed in the rave
culture because it is the ultimate form of expression. I widh I could
but I just know I would breaking my neck trying. In fact, Im
disappointed if a rave doesnt ahve breakdancing.
Jay
Psyche
No Man's Land and proudly announce that I frequent both Gothic/Industrial
clubs as well as "ravey" clubs that mix up breakbeat for my happy feet.
Switching betweent he two very differing styles of dance is awkward
sometimes, and I doubt I'll ever be amazing at either, but I love both
dancing and listening to -both-. Hell, I'm a gemini, so I suppose it's
allowed.
I find both styles of dance appealing to watch, but I am more often awed
(by far) by a talented raver than a talented goth. Dancing to a single
beat is much more taxing than dancing to the double beat. I thoroughly
enjoy both, though I prefer breakbeat/trance for dancing and
goth/industrial for home and car. Am I the only one out there that lists
my Top 3 Artists as Delerium, Orbital, and Ocean Blue? Is it possible,
Doctor, to love both?! I should be locked up. (:
I'm a little shocked at how much animosity the goth community vocalizes
towards ravers (at least in the goth community in San Diego). There is
much tension when a raver/club kid walks in to a darkie haunt. I often
hear comments about how so-and-so used to be "cool, but turned into a
raver." How terrible that must be. :P Remember Tamagothi? The worst
culmination of the little goth was a perky goth/raver! I find it a little
silly. We all love music, and we all love to move to it. Some of us look
beautiful when we dance, some of us don't (yet). Who was it that shouted,
"Can't we all just get along?!" I hope someday we can.
On a side note, a club in my city holds an "electro" night, in which a
normally goth club switches formats to include some trance and breaks, and
I all but had my goth card revoked for showing up in double buns, baggies,
sparkley Airwalks, and a smiley face t-shirt. I think I had more fun
raving out in front of my appalled goth co-clubbers than I've had at a club
in quite a while. :) "Wait... isn't that the chick who usually wears
latex?"
Anyhoo, peace, love, and cherry pez to ALL of you, both darkie -and-
sparkley.
pSycHe!
Tweaksta
Stuart McAndrew
Skerry Carrie, Quite Contrary! wrote:
> Stereotypes Are Hazardous To Your Health.
I'm going to ignore this warning and show you all how ignorant I can be....
> I find the way goths dance to be more appealing to the eye.
> I can't do it, because I wind up either falling over or laughing
> at myself so much that I can't breathe. :P
If you can't do it, that makes you a *real* goth. It's a known fact that
goths *can't* dance. Goths who can dance listen to (and dance to!)
Industrial. Real goths fall over when moving in time to music.
And, good dancers dance better than bad ones. Putting them in other
cateGorys is stoopid.
Best dancer I ever saw is my mate Andy. He dances to funk metal. And
anything else he likes listening to (be it Chemical Brothers or the Sister
of Mercy).
--
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"Something kinda sad about the way that things have come to be.
Desensitized to everything. What became of subtlety?" - Tool
Allen Kiely
boat.
Tom Lawton
<aki...@esat.ie> got through the message in a series of grunts and
squeals:
>Then what the hell is he doing there, thats like going sailing without a
>boat.
>
>
>>
>> A "quasi-raver" is a chemical-free raver.
>>
Maybe it's jus t a person who is int othe music, rather than the drugs.
It does happen you know.
Trackhead
H. West
ME
THE MONSTA OUT DANCES THEM ALL
MEOW MEOW FLONK BARK WOOF WIZZ BANG KA-ZOWW
--
"Wow, this is the first time I've ever seen anyone,
anywhere quote himself. I wish I could be that
self-righteous."
- "OEL" <som...@udel.edu>
"Thank you, H. West, for contributing _your_ .sig
file to the glorious cause. It has been archived
with the abomination .sigs of other Usenet
Performance Artists, and cross posted to
demon.local.
Don't mention it."
- "baloo" <balloo.at.@cmewidgets.dot.com>
"I was talking about H West's post! So don't get
bent out shape! If you want to see just what kind of
asshole the guy is just look at what he has these
messages cross posting to! He is one sick bastard!"
- "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F#%$@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Sorry I just been putting up with this cross
posting nightmare! started by a guy that is
definitely a scourge on the Usenet! Who everyone has
kill filed by now but this thread will not die!"
- "SuperTech_AGQ2" <F#%$@SPAMSCREWED.COM>
"Then the trolls really piled on. H. West had been
looking for a flamewar to call his own since he had
just lost one in a particularly spectacular fashion,
and this was perfect. His name alone was enough to
call in a host of anti-Wests."
- WWS <wsch...@tyler.net>
"H.West obviously has some sort of superiority
complex and he's stubborn to add to that."
- "Professor X" <n...@spam.com>
"Oh please, West ! tone down your biggotry for
minute. Your ego is starting to crack the glass on
my monitor."
- Ralph Schwarten <easr...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You know, you are starting to turn me on westy !"
- Ralph Schwarten <easr...@davros.eas.gu.edu.au>
"You're a sick bastard H. West, and I admire you for
that."
- RJL <R...@NOSPAMrocketmail.com>
"Great sig., H !"
- Onion <on...@flasju.nota.net>
"Oh dear, this borders on the tasteless and comes
curiously close to a certain blasphemy. I am
shocked its taken this long for someone to do it.
Bravo for ripping my sensibilities to shreds and
allowing the tatters to glimpse a almost certain
section of hell."
- KAYVEN <kay...@aol.com>
"Do you have trouble counting to 1? Are you lonely
and bored? Do you constantly smell like filth, no
matter how many nights you skip sweet-pig-love in the
barn? You meet the basic requirements to join the
ULC: http://ulc.org/ulc"
- H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"What if these spams are merely tendrils rolled forth
from some greater horror, some abhorrent beast of the
usenet worming forth its mighty appendages in a
horrible network of cyclopean madness. Dear lord man,
underneath us! In the very ground!!!"
- H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"I know I am a troll, please do not bother telling
me; or you will make it quite obvious you are a
gibbering fool licking at the rectum of lunacy."
- H. West <sua...@idt.net>
"new quotes!!hey we all wanna be in that sig!!..dio I
have to be real mean to get in????"
- Tommy T <bu...@nmia.com>
"And now we return you to your regularly scheduled
misspelled insults in all capital letter and bloated,
self-referential .sig files..."
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"your sig is 22 lines too long. 4 lines or less, it's
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- Aidan <ai...@skinner.demon.co.uk>
"You live for trolling, don't you?"
- Hydro <e...@hatespam.net>
"Man that is sad... you quote YOURSELF!! hahaha that
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- David Kerr <ke...@hotmail.com>
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apriori
<s985...@minyos.its.rmit.edu.au> wrote:
>> I know as a quasi-raver, it shouldn't matter how you dance (very
>> un-PLUR...eh?) and this is an obvious trool but I think a troll worthy
>> of discussion. Who are the better dancers? Any comments?
>
>> Then again, I wonder how many ravers have actually seen the "Goth"
>> dance. For depressed negative people, they dance very well.
>
>yeh i've noticed this too.. there used to be a club here with a
>goth/industrial room and a techno room (dunno why they insist on mixing
>those two) and i always thought the goths were preety boring dancers..
>they seem to like to woosh their clothes about the place... and sort of
>act things out for each other.. but i reckon goths are preety ridiculous
>charecters anyway.. "muhahah im a vampire! now, wheres my coke gone..?"
Oooh...pretty strong words for someone wearing pants like _those_...
apriori
Francis Hwang
ONE) wrote:
> Breakdancing is the ultimate in dancing and kudos to anyone with the
> agility to do it. Breakdancing will always been welcomed in the rave
> culture because it is the ultimate form of expression. I widh I could
> but I just know I would breaking my neck trying. In fact, Im
> disappointed if a rave doesnt ahve breakdancing.
Hear, hear -- out here in Mpls./St. Paul there isn't nearly enough. What's
really neat to watch is to look at how the same moves look when the music
is different and the clothes are different. Since the music and clothes
are both more fluid than they were in old-school hip-hop days, it gives
the same jerky moves more of a flow.
Francis
Angeltear
<R41...@email.sps.mot.com> wrote:
Skerry Carrie Wrote:
>
....
>
>> I find the way goths dance to be more appealing to the eye.
>> I can't do it, because I wind up either falling over or laughing
>> at myself so much that I can't breathe. :P
>
>If you can't do it, that makes you a *real* goth. It's a known fact that
>goths *can't* dance. Goths who can dance listen to (and dance to!)
>Industrial. Real goths fall over when moving in time to music.
>
And who the hell cares about being a GOOD dancer? I don't dance to impress
people. I dance because I enjoy moving around to music I like. I can't
dance well. This is a well known fact but I do it because I enjoy it and
most "dance industrial" is boring crap I have no interest in dancing to
anyway and sometimes it's healthy for people to go out in public and look a
little silly on the dance floor anyway :)
Angeltear
-
Michael Quinn (Angeltear)
"It only takes a push and china doll will fall apart
yet it only takes a touch and china doll will start
to dance...to laugh, to feel, to hope, to love...."
-(The Legendary Pink Dots)
E-Chan <Eli Kaplan>
> In <01bde01b$772e3e20$6f2c67d1@breakbeat> <brea...@sprint.ca> writes:
>
> >snip<
> >B.T.W.:What the hell is a quasi-raver?
> > Peace
> >< brea...@sprint.ca >
> >
Well, if you want to get into the niceties of what a "quasi-raver" is, go
ask the original person who used the word in the thread's context. Your
interpretations will most likely deviate from the term he had in mind.
For example, someone could (and did) write
>
> A "quasi-raver" is a chemical-free raver.
>
I happen to think that a "quasi-raver" would be someone who loosely
affiliates herself or himself with the rave scene, as opposed to
loosely describing someone who enjoys techno music (the two being
different). Where chemicals come into play is not readily discernable to
me in any context. And if I were a PLUR devotee (which I'm not, though I
would describe myself as a raver who rarely goes out anymore), I'd
chastise the defining person above for assuming that to enjoy techno
music, you have to take drugs.
But I'm NOT a PLUR devotee, so I'll take the colorful, far more agressive,
and comically violent in an inferential fashion.
*pulls out his baseball bat and smacks the dumbkopf repeatedly*
Ah. Better.
Eli Kaplan <kapl...@tiger.uofs.edu> ... with a new and improved .sig!
home page: http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/6480 Titles: WUSR RPM Guy,
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Empty
had the sheer temerity to say:
>Empty wrote:
>
>> I'd rather have a stick(hell, a whole tree) up my ass than not have a
>> sense of humor.
>
>Let's have it your way... i'll pick an appropriate tree.
Ermm.... Just lube it first, k?
~Empty, who made his bed and now is lying in it
"That which does not kill me only makes me mad. And
that which makes me mad just might kill YOU." -Sionn
ICQ: 17460327
Empty
the sheer temerity to say:
>you guys are soo fucking hillarious, it just goes back and forth =)
>
>
>mir(e)k
Yup. Like a tennis ball. And that would make you the guy in the stands
whipping his head left and right and left and right and left and right
and left and right and left and right and left and right and left and
right and left and right and left and right and left and right and
left and right and POINT!
~Empty, listening to too many Heineken commercials :)
Empty
ja...@ix.netcom.com(THE ONE) had the sheer temerity to say:
>As the original poster I feel the need to reply.
>This is not spam since "spam" is used to solicit for commercial
>purposes.
True. I, however, use spam as a catchall phrase to include ads,
trolls, and machine screwups (such as reposts etc.). Bandwidth eaters
in other words.
>As I stated in the post, I was aware that it a blatant "troll" but
>still worthy of discussion. At worst, someone might call it
>"flamebait" but not "spam".
Well, ok, flamebait then.
>Anyway, the discussion has been quite civil except for your comment on
>"shameless fool" which prompted some ravers to respond non-PLUR like.
>(PLUR, by the way, for you Goths, stands for "Peace Love Unity Respect"
>which ravers repeat to themsleves over and over and over when
>confornted by jerks)
I was rather offended by the whole "depressed" etc theme you chose to
throw out.
>You will notice that all the NG cross-posted to are relevant. The two
>cultural NG for raves and goths respectively. Techno and Dance NG
>where many quasi-ravers hang out and teh industrial NG which has ssemed
>to be accepted into the Goth culture lately.
True. Perhaps I was a bit hasty in my judgement. Methinks I'm cranky
over my "Opinions on alt.punk"... :)
>Anyway, even if the discussion turns uncivil, then so be it. At least
>we get to hear what's *really* on people's mind.
>
>Peace. Out.
Ermmmm... Shame on me.
Peace out to you to m'man.
>Rave on! and...er...Goth on!
>
>Jay
LOL!
~Empty, doin that nifty two-glowsticks-and-neon-platform-shoes dance
gobi gred
floor.. that shit pisses me off.
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On Sun, 13 Sep 1998, Skunk wrote:
> bizarre.
> America, things happen here first, yeah?
> why oh why do people still break dance? I even saw young american kids
> breakdancing at a rave, I stood watching with my chin on the floor.
> they probably weren't born when break dancing had it's 15 minutes of
> linolium covered fame... each to thier own, eh?
>
>
aq...@chebucto.ns.ca
>> bizarre.
>> America, things happen here first, yeah? why oh why do people still break
>> dance?
Because done well, breakdancing (IMO, especially uprock) is an artform.
>> I even saw young american kids breakdancing at a rave, I stood watching
>> with my chin on the floor.
My advice: Get out a bit more.
>> they probably weren't born when break dancing had it's 15 minutes of
>> linolium covered fame... each to thier own, eh?
Hmmmmm....well i'm 29 and i was there when breaking had it's, what was it?
Oh yeah, "15 minutes of linoleum covered fame". Ummmmmm....yeah, whatever
friend! And just for the record: Breakdance, always have, always will.
>> >If one can breakdance very well then both ravers and goths can sit
>> >their asses down.
Amen + thank you....c.
Lux
>
> In <01bde01b$772e3e20$6f2c67d1@breakbeat> <brea...@sprint.ca> writes:
>
> >snip<
> >B.T.W.:What the hell is a quasi-raver?
> > Peace
> >< brea...@sprint.ca >
> >
>
Which begs the question: "What is a 'quasi-goth'?" A goth without the speed &
caffeine? ;>
-Lux-
--
-Lux-
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www.deathsdoor.com/garmonbozia/ | electric fetus - dancer of / `'=)(='` \
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` `
The Prophet Kaos
>This may seem silly, but I always thought ravers were the best dancers
>since they tend to be fanatical about the music and not give a crap
>about how silly they look and just dance a storm with hands and legs
>flailing everywhere to the beat.
>
>But then, I was recently at a club where goths were in one room and
>techno clubbers in another and I saw the "Goth" dance or whatever you
>call it. So graceful these Goths. I hate to say that the Goth dance,
>although not danced to the rhythm of the music, might actually be more
>elaborate than the craziest rave dance.
Heh... I read the first paragraph, and almost told you to actually
watch some goths dancing.
I think the 'apples/oranges' argument fits here; in every group,
you'll find some who just absolutely suck and some who seem almost
divinely inspired.
>I know as a quasi-raver, it shouldn't matter how you dance (very
>un-PLUR...eh?) and this is an obvious trool but I think a troll worthy
>of discussion. Who are the better dancers? Any comments?
Eh. I'd argue the opposite - it's not really a troll in the classic
sense (there's very little insulting or derogatory comments - yet) but
I'm not sure it's really something that can be discussed.
Discussion would require a comparison, and you might as well compare
silk shirts to car seats.
--
Without evil, Good has no meaning.
Without death, life has no thrill.
Without chaos, order has no purpose.
The Prophet Kaos
(Skerry Carrie, Quite Contrary!) wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 04:00:36 GMT, empty@SPAM_AND_PAY.theriver.com
>(Empty) scribbled in ubergoffick black eyeliner:
>
>>This is spam. CROSSPOSTED TO MANY GROUPS. My bad, didn't check the
>>headers... Everyone, let's either turn it into a legitimate and civil
>>discussion or drop it entirely. Thanks all!
Uh-huh. Next time you feel like saying that, Don't Crosspost It!
>It isn't spam.
>Crossposts aren't always Ev0l Nasty Things.
>
>And it was civil until you insulted them.
Yeah... but that whole thing had me laughing at both of them. (Sorry
Empty.)
The Prophet Kaos
(Skerry Carrie, Quite Contrary!) wrote:
>On Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:43:27 -0400, megs
><femp...@deletemehotmail.com> scribbled in ubergoffick black
>eyeliner:
>
>>What's AGSF?
>
>Something of an organization designed to attack spammers
>and evil trolls (like, binbomb trolls, etc) and put them
>out of our misery.
Er... not really. It's more of the label that we use for our actions
against spammers, bombers and the like. There's always been some
confusion over that, probably because a few of the really dedicated
anti-spammers do get organized on occasion, to deal with serious
problems.
>As of late, though, people have been thinking that almost
>anything even vaguely resembling a troll deserves a concentrated
>attack, which truly isn't so.
Agreed.
>(GuitarCord, for all y'all agers,
>is not included in who I think doesn't deserve it.)
Agreed again; that's sort of a mini-bomber.
>Carrie (quite disassociated from AGSF because of this)
Heh. One of the problems with AGSF being an archetype or label - you
can't really dissociate from it in that way. Speaking out against
misuse of the AGSF label *is* (IMO) appropriate AGSF action.
lordbiran
>And who the hell cares about being a GOOD dancer? I don't dance to impress
>people. I dance because I enjoy moving around to music I like. I can't
>dance well. This is a well known fact but I do it because I enjoy it and
>most "dance industrial" is boring crap I have no interest in dancing to
>anyway and sometimes it's healthy for people to go out in public and look a
>little silly on the dance floor anyway :)
>
Brava darling!
Everyone needs to cut a mean rug every once and a while. I know I
look like a spaz on the dancefloor, but I don't really give a rat
bastard. I want to go out, raise the roof, tangoe, and perhaps do a
little vogueing. Worrying about what other people think is the least
of my concern. If I spent my time worrying if a twirled the right
way, I mine as well stay home and have a blockbuster night.
Raise the roof,
Brian
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zoltan
JKW said to us all:
> >Funny.. no one here has claimed love of both. :)
I don't know about anywhere else but here in the UK, dance and goth are quite
frequently played at the same club on the same night, nothing unusual there.
> >am I the only one out there that lists
> >my Top 3 Artists as Delerium, Orbital, and Ocean Blue? Is it possible,
> >Doctor, to love both?! I should be locked up. (:
nope, I know plenty of people like that.
>
> >On a side note, a club in my city holds an "electro" night, in which a
> >normally goth club switches formats to include some trance and breaks, and
> >I all but had my goth card revoked for showing up in double buns, baggies,
> >sparkley Airwalks, and a smiley face t-shirt. I think I had more fun
> >raving out in front of my appalled goth co-clubbers than I've had at a club
> >in quite a while. :) "Wait... isn't that the chick who usually wears
> >latex?"
>
If you're ever in London, then go to Slimelights, downstairs goth, upstairs
techno/industrial/gabba. Goths and ravers can be seen every week in the same
club often on the same dancefloor.
>
>
> Goth is more cliquey by far, but that's ok.
> It's an important part of what the scene for goths is about.
>
That's a load of tosh and you know it! an important part of the scene?????what
scene are you part of?
Zoltan
lilmousie
>On Mon, 14 Sep 1998 08:45:33 +0000, Stuart McAndrew
><R41...@email.sps.mot.com> wrote:
>
>Skerry Carrie Wrote:
>>
>....
>>
>>> I find the way goths dance to be more appealing to the eye.
>>> I can't do it, because I wind up either falling over or laughing
>>> at myself so much that I can't breathe. :P
>>
>>If you can't do it, that makes you a *real* goth. It's a known fact that
>>goths *can't* dance. Goths who can dance listen to (and dance to!)
>>Industrial. Real goths fall over when moving in time to music.
>>
>
>And who the hell cares about being a GOOD dancer? I don't dance to impress
>people. I dance because I enjoy moving around to music I like. I can't
>dance well.
I dance to be an official Dance Hazard. ;)
Very little bouncing in Bawston, I just tried to liven things up... Really!
May the One shine on us all, even if we are listening to Bowie.
lilmousie
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
We are grey.
We stand between the Twit and the Flame.
Between the Trolls and the Darkness.
lilmousie
>In <01bde01b$772e3e20$6f2c67d1@breakbeat> <brea...@sprint.ca> writes:
>
>>snip<
>>B.T.W.:What the hell is a quasi-raver?
>> Peace
>>< brea...@sprint.ca >
>>
>
>A "quasi-raver" is a chemical-free raver.
Eeeek! How can you listen to twelve hours of Doof-Doof without being E'd out
of your box? ;)
May the One shine on us all, even if I made yummy crusty bread, and can't eat
it cause i'm *sick*.
lilmousie
>If one can breakdance very well then both ravers and goths can sit
>their asses down.
There is more than enough room on any given dance floor for everyone. One does
not preclude the other. TYVM.
May the One shine us all, even if we pierced ourselves with shards of broken
glass.
Steppin Razor
the music is a quasi-raver (if I can even give them that much credit).
Someone who'se into the music and dancing sober is just as much a raver as
someone who'se into the music and dancing and E'ed up. It's all good.
Tom Lawton wrote:
> >> A "quasi-raver" is a chemical-free raver.
> >>
>
Dmitry303
> Ermm.... Just lube it first, k?
Spruce'll go in just fine... no need to lubricate. and then the christmas
comes....
--
The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is
that it has never tried to contact us.
Empty
had the sheer temerity to say:
>Empty wrote:
>
>> Ermm.... Just lube it first, k?
>
>Spruce'll go in just fine... no need to lubricate. and then the christmas
>comes....
Wow. The very thought of it makes my eyes light up.
~Empty, falalalala, lalala, la
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First, there's the Wumpscut Scoot, also known as the Wumpscut Two-Step. This
requires hard and aggressive industrial (Funker Vogt and LS work well here, too)
that has a consistent beat. The dancer steps from side to side, usually in sync
with everyone else on the floor doing the Two-Step, and often has his or her
hands behind their back so they don't lose their balance when they bend over to
scream the words. This dance has evolved over the years, emerging at about the
time of 242's "Headhunter."
The Wumpscut Scoot is often accompanied by the Blinding Light Cringe, (aka the
"Please Don't Beat Me" manuever), where the dancer, during a fast break in the
song, will bend backward and hold their hand up as they had never seen the sun
before. This happens in the faster songs, though, for some reason I can't
fathom, its always the And One fans doing this.
The other dance that seems popular on the East Coast (never been West, so don't
know for sure) is the Front Line Stomp, or the Masochistic March. This involves
the dancer (almost always a guy) marching in place to the beat. This move seems
particularly useful in Front Line songs where there really is no creative way to
dance. If you are familiar with District or Evolution in Philly, then you all
know that Xanan pioneered this dance, and has since added jumps, leaps and spins
into his routine.
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curse all this new industrial music and how no one remembers the old days when
people played Mussolini Headkick in the clubs.
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Matthew Gannicliffe
: You forgot the "Taffy-pull" which has been around
: since the early 80s.. and was started in Britan..
: and considered the oldest, most common, and most
: accepted gothic dance out there..
Incredably, there's a point of conjunction for Goth and Rave dancing
styles... my brother was a goth in Manchester in the early '80s (the apex
of gothdom) and they did an elaborate mysticy finger dance that closely
resembled the acid house handtrance thing. Presumably coz both crowds
were on acid?
Until we realised in '89 that it was OK to be happy, indie types
did something called "wrecking", moving sideways on one foot whilst
flailing the arms to The Smiths. Even though the house explosion was
liberating in many ways, dancing was far more expressive before it.
Go to a club now in the UK and everyone dances the same, its sad.
matt...
Unknown
>You forgot the "Taffy-pull" which has been around
>since the early 80s.. and was started in Britan..
>and considered the oldest, most common, and most
>accepted gothic dance out there..
I always thought the 'war chicken dance' was the oldest and most
common style in the UK (at least it was in my neck of the woods [1]
[1] Thetford Forest, near enough.
Axel
Everything is true, even false things
- Malaclypse the Younger
<axelmaya AT globalserve >dot< net>
Unknown
>PLUR to ya psyche. I love it all and my feet agree! But remember,
>goths don't advocate PLUR.
Except for the ones that do.
> Goth is more cliquey by far, but that's ok.
>It's an important part of what the scene for goths is about.
Oh bollocks, I've been getting it wrong all these years.
>I'd kind of like to gabba at a goth club if I could talk a dj into it
>just to watch their faces... Course I'd have to come out of the corner
>and stop skulking for that. ; |
Go to the U.K. - Slimelight in London, and Edwards No. 8 in Birmingham
both spring to mind.
On a related note, most of the people that I know who were goths in
the '80's moved into the rave scene as they got older.
CyberToast
then you shouldn't be there!
-Ryan
lilmousie wrote:
> ja...@ix.netcom.com(THE ONE) invoked the net.gods and managed to say:
>
> >In <01bde01b$772e3e20$6f2c67d1@breakbeat> <brea...@sprint.ca> writes:
> >
> >>snip<
> >>B.T.W.:What the hell is a quasi-raver?
> >> Peace
> >>< brea...@sprint.ca >
> >>
> >
> >A "quasi-raver" is a chemical-free raver.
>
> Eeeek! How can you listen to twelve hours of Doof-Doof without being E'd out
> of your box? ;)
>
> May the One shine on us all, even if I made yummy crusty bread, and can't eat
> it cause i'm *sick*.
>
CyberToast
-Ryan
Skunk wrote:
> bizarre.
> America, things happen here first, yeah?
> why oh why do people still break dance? I even saw young american kids
> breakdancing at a rave, I stood watching with my chin on the floor.
> they probably weren't born when break dancing had it's 15 minutes of
> linolium covered fame... each to thier own, eh?
>
> On Sun, 13 Sep 1998 23:11:55 GMT, natt...@sprynet.com (N.Scott
> Kozyra) wrote:
>
> >If one can breakdance very well then both ravers and goths can sit
> >their asses down.
> >
> >
> >N.Scott Kozyra
> > .erik.gloom.
> > .2000.
Wolfy
> I love watching people break dance at parties. I wish I could do it =)
Hell yeah...specially when they tie glow sticks to their shoes and have
soome in hand.....and it's trailin like shit.....thats tight...
Wolfy
Ent.. one
>>A "quasi-raver" is a chemical-free raver.
>
>Eeeek! How can you listen to twelve hours of Doof-Doof without being E'd
out
>of your box? ;)
>
some of us see it as more then simply "doof doof" as you so eliqently put
it.....
I apoligise for coming of as condesending, but I take great offense to this
sort of attitude about raving.......
I and a few others out there regularly go to parties without being "E'd
out of our collective boxes" ( I in fact do not partake in ethogens any
more.....)
my opinion may be viewed as a high horse or an eliteist old scool attitude,
but my nose is far from pointing at the sky......
I am not specificly pointing a finger at lilmouse.... its just thet his
or her post brought my attention to this common new school attitude....
twords sober partying....
sure a rave is a great place to trip out, or roll..... BUT if you cannot
enjoy the music sober...... then (as someone already said) you do not
belong......
much love to the next generation of party people.... I hope my words can
give you an idea of what its is all about.... sure getting faced can be mind
opening, but so can listening to a smooth digitrance buildup on nuthin but a
couple shots of espresso.....
come for the beats..... stay for the vibe..... and bring home the
love
3N7..0N3: 0V3R 4ND 0U7
Ent.. one
>> >> A "quasi-raver" is a chemical-free raver.
>> >>
>>
>> It does happen you know.
>>
>> Trackhead
>
>
>
and scene.....
doing mad drugs and wearing 100 inch pants dosent make you a raver....
it makes you a speed addict with silly pants.... (jus kiddin bout the
pants.... but some kids seem to think that bigger pants = bigger raver....)
bringing a smile and a pair of comfy sneakers does...
CyberToast
-Ryan
Ent.. one wrote:
> one of the frighteningly unenlightened faces in the crowd said.......
> >>A "quasi-raver" is a chemical-free raver.
> >
Ent.. one
CyberToast wrote...
>I am not drug free, but definately well put =).
>
> -Ryan
>
>Ent.. one wrote:
>
>> one of the frighteningly unenlightened faces in the crowd said.......
thank you ....
I must have had a moment of inspiration
bob
better word, a bit anal? Surely, the point of rave culture is that
boundaries betwwen people are dissolved, and you participate as someone who
is true, and not concerned about who can dance better, who's the hardest, or
who looks the better. Surely the joy of this culture is being able to be
accepted for who you are, not what you wear.
Get a life, and stop abusing what we have. it is attitudes like that that
have no place with in us.
freaky bob
Ent.. one wrote in message <6ua3hb$a...@news.webspan.net>...
None
says...
> At the end of the day, isn't this a bit of a purile question? for want of a
> better word, a bit anal? Surely, the point of rave culture is that
> boundaries betwwen people are dissolved, and you participate as someone who
> is true, and not concerned about who can dance better, who's the hardest, or
> who looks the better. Surely the joy of this culture is being able to be
> accepted for who you are, not what you wear.
> Get a life, and stop abusing what we have. it is attitudes like that that
> have no place with in us.
> freaky bob
Well said... I've been going to raves for years and in all that time I've
never seen prejudice or bad attitudes on display... so much better than
"club culture", where the idea sadly often seems to be to stand around
looking good in £500 worth of trendy gear rather than getting on the
floor and losing it to some great music in the company of likeminded
party people... the rave scene is the only place I know where anyone from
anywhere is accepted without question, and long may it live :)
PS: I am sooooo old that I can not only remember when there was no such
thing as rave (dark days), but even when there was no such thing as
Goths... hehe
Ent.. one
>accepted for who you are, not what you wear.
>Get a life, and stop abusing what we have. it is attitudes like that that
>have no place with in us.
>freaky bob
yo freaky, I dont know if your comments are directed at me, but if they are
I assure you that you have got me all wrong.... I dont know if you miss
understood my post... if you did I would be glad to clarify anything you
have a question about....
we are on the same page here, when it comes to rave culture, lets not bicker
about misunderstandings....
I am in it for the love, and the beats, as well as the motion.....
not to look good! (even though some say I do... lol)
peace Ent.. .001
THE ONE
As the original poster, I guess your comments are directed at me. Have
I been a bad raver in need of a spanking?
I admit guilt, but I still feel the need to respond:
>At the end of the day, isn't this a bit of a purile question? for want
of a
>better word, a bit anal?
Maybe. But I've been to raves where half the people are asleep enjoying
their drugs and other half are huddled around the speakers absorbing
the music face down without moving. The fact that I'm chemical free
(except for caffeine) means that I dance very hyper relative to others
and maybe I need more visual stimulation than the average person and
therefore, I appreciate it when some raver go nuts and does some fancy
moves or the whole crowd go nuts with vibes. It'd be a shame for no
one to appercaite the beauty of the moves. There are moments when I'm
totally into myself and oblivious to the world but teher are times when
I feel totally at peace just watching someone with the music and lights
going. Can anyone relate? That peace is more than intensified when
teh dancer is synchronized TO the music. Is this anal? Yes, it is.
Most dancers dont dance to the music and just move they body regardles
of whats being played. Howver, many ravers will tell you that moving to
the music (hips thrusting, hands in the air, stomping) makes them feel
like they control the music (although they dont) and makes thenm feel
like they flowing (and this is without drugs...hehehe). Idf you cant
realte, I understand, but this doesnt mean that a raver who doesnt go
all out is less of a raver. My original post was intended to open a
discussion on the fancy moves that Goths have to this naive
quasi-raver. I hope tis diatribe succeeded in clarifying my point.
PLUR!
>Surely, the point of rave culture is that
>boundaries betwwen people are dissolved, and you participate as
someone who
>is true, and not concerned about who can dance better, who's the
hardest, or
>who looks the better.
True. But when some raver is literally glowing and moving with the
music, it's a beautiful sight. I'm guessing you've never experienced
it or else you wouldn't be arguing. Every once and all when I feel a
bit jaded about the whole rave/club thing, I purposely go to a local
lame-ass "meat market" club. Man, two hour in there are I learn to
appreciate club/rave culture. I think ravers tend to take their
lifestyle for granted and don't realize what a gift...yes, a gift they
have to even be able to appreciate something fully. I just hope this
gift lasts and I dont become a raver burnout like so many people I
know. By burnout, I mean something who can no longer feel the
happiness they once felt going to clubs/raves.
>Surely the joy of this culture is being able to be
>accepted for who you are, not what you wear.
AH!, another idealist. rave culture is supposed to be about all
accepting. As far as youth cultures go, it is closest to this idea.
Still, humans have flaws and these flaws exist in rave culture.
There's no avoiding it. Admit that there is in fact a "raver fashion
sense". If I dressed in my full club gear (by this mean, I mean dress
slacks and suit), me thinks I'd stand out. Admit that some ravers think
they are cooler than other ravers (and not usually based on dancing
ability either, mind you).
>Get a life, and stop abusing what we have. it is attitudes like that
that
>have no place with in us.
>freaky bob
Now freaky bob...this is when you got freaky! Abusing you? I didn't
mean to do that. I just like to talk about rave culture (thus im in
this NG), the good AND the bad. Ravers have a really bad stigma
(mainly due to the drug use but also this perceived ...get
this..elitist attitude.) in some social circles. This is reality
whether you want to face it or not. Just because I talk about it,
doesnt mean I espouse it. I think talking about it airs teh shit out
and gets to the bottom of what people are really talking about.
Jay
bjornski
Heheheh, this person is gonna DIG acid...