Orb or Orbital
James DeBeck
What is the difference between Orb and Orbital? I think Orb are wannabies
of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
Loopz
Without doubt....Orbital are a more mature and original group.
The Orb went shite after Uf Orb....
James DeBeck wrote in message <35768...@news.westel.com>...
Ellis Alexander Myles Breen
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, James DeBeck wrote:
> What is the difference between Orb and Orbital? I think Orb are wannabies
> of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
> and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
[scene : a darkened computer room somewhere in London]
Trev Larginit : Wots this then? Vis geezer don't know the diff'rence
between ve Orb an' Orbital!!!
Kev Banginacid : Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha!!! Flan'im!!! 'Es a big muppet inee?
Giv'im wot for.
Trev L : Large.
[types hastily : U big cloth eared blueberry muffin, The Orb is for
smoking big spliffs to, Orbital is dark and banging, man.
And they're both having it large, mate.
The Orb is all film samples, ambient noise and dub,
Orbital is all wicked dark synths + intricate
melodies, The Orb is horizontal
listening, Orbital is diagonal, if U
get my drift. They're not full on like,
say, Sven Vaff, though. Funny though,
everyone always buggers off if I play 'The Orb's
Adventures in the Underworld' or the next one. Well
they did the last time I got anyone back to my room.
And they nicked the tape of their decent one the time
before. And my gear, bastards. BASTARDS BASTARDS BASTARDS.
Peace, T Larginit. ]
Trev L : Hur hur, hur, told im big time, Kev. Kev? Kev?! KEV?!
[ reads note : 'dear Trev, I've found a girlfriend, goodbye, kev' ]
No, but seriously, I personally think Orbital are better, if a bit too
laid back for my tastes sometimes, but I actually prefer some of the
Orb's less famous, less ambient albums to 'Ultraworld' for instance. The
Orb have been knocking around for ages, as have Orbital (1988 or so). The
sounds of the two groups are quite different. Orbital uses tougher, more
melodic and electronic sounds and harsher rhythms than the Orbs laid back
dub and synth washes, and the Orb are fond of arsing around with silly
samples a bit too much. One bona fide Orb classic is Little Fluffy
Clouds, which they refuse to play live these days, sadly. Ambient will
always have a place in my heart, though, e.g. 'Water From a Vine Leaf' by
William Orbit, so on. Other similar bands are 808 State and Salt Tank
(variable - Eugina on 'Science & Nature' is excellent.
I think that about sums it up...
Ellis
Tom Lawton
In article <35768...@news.westel.com>, James DeBeck <bde...@ii.ca>
writes
>What is the difference between Orb and Orbital? I think Orb are wannabies
>of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
>and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
>
>
two different type of music. Orbital are two brothers, Phil and Paul
Hartnoll, who produce music that genrally falls into the techno
category. However, thier music is full of lush melodies and is quite
progressive. Theyt have had 4 albums released, these being
I (1991)
II (1993)
Snivilisation (1994)
Insides (1996)
All these were relesed on either the ffrr or Internal Labels.
For more info, have a look at http://www.rise.co.uk/orbital
The Orb, however, are Alex Patterson and various rotating members,
including Jah Wobble, Throb, and Thomas Fehlmann. Most of the music
they produce is classed as ambient, but they are remrkably adaptable.
So Far they have had at least 6 albums released, these being;
Adventures Beyond The Ultraworld
U.F.Orb
Live '93
Pomme Fritz
Orbus Terrarum
Orblivion
Thier crowning achievement is genrally thought to be U.F.Orb, which is
very dubby in parts, and makes heavy use of various UFO samples. ALl
thier music is released on the Big Life or Island lables.
For more information, have a look at http://www.orblivion.co.uk
Hope this helps,
--
Tom "Trainspotter" Lawton
Astrolabe
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Tom Lawton wrote:
> In article <35768...@news.westel.com>, James DeBeck <bde...@ii.ca>
> writes
> >What is the difference between Orb and Orbital? I think Orb are wannabies
> >of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
> >and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
> >
> >
the Orb wannabies HARDLY!!!!!! they inspired a whole generation of music
makers....they have never been followers per se but more leaders (well
almost, sime drum n bass elements snuck into Orblivion) thier amazing
sense of humor, extensive and smart sampling, and command of atmosphere
and mood is superb..they can ge repetitive, but i love them
i personally think their song Into the 4th Demension is underrated..i dont
hear many people talk about this song, i think its amazing
as for Orbital, i like them more than the orb, but comparing the two are
apples and oranges...Orbital makes intelligent techno, with beautiful
intereweaving melodies, hamronies, attention to detail and beats, and
progressive song structure.
both are great bands that pretty much set the stage for electronic muisc
in the 1990's
fred
Kirk Herlitz
Ellis Alexander Myles Breen wrote:
>
[....]
> No, but seriously, I personally think Orbital are better, if a bit too
> laid back for my tastes sometimes, but I actually prefer some of the
> Orb's less famous, less ambient albums to 'Ultraworld' for instance. The
> Orb have been knocking around for ages, as have Orbital (1988 or so). The
> sounds of the two groups are quite different. Orbital uses tougher, more
> melodic and electronic sounds and harsher rhythms than the Orbs laid back
> dub and synth washes, and the Orb are fond of arsing around with silly
> samples a bit too much. One bona fide Orb classic is Little Fluffy
> Clouds, which they refuse to play live these days, sadly.
Actually, I saw them when they opened for the Chemical Brothers in
the US last summer. Their last song was indeed "Fluffy Little Clouds".
Truly an excellent way to end their set.
'Ultraworld' is still my favorite out of all their albums, with 'Orb
Live 93' not far behind. Really great stuff...
Kirk
Robert Mashlan
"James DeBeck" <bde...@ii.ca> wrote:
>What is the difference between Orb and Orbital? I think Orb are wannabies
>of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
>and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
Just for the record, the Orb has been around longer than Orbital.
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some strange person
James DeBeck wrote:
>
> What is the difference between Orb and Orbital? I think Orb are wannabies
> of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
> and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
how about this??
both groups work completely independant of eachother
and have nothing to do with eachother except they both make trance and ambient
inspired music
and their names sound vaguely similar
Have you ever listened to the orb?
some of thier shit is mindblowing
go buy both bands CDs
(how's this, William Orbit is just a lamer poser trying to cash in on the
success of Orbital and the Orb, hehehe)
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Yes I have listened to Orb, and they make a lot of jungle sounds.
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James DeBeck wrote:
>
> What is the difference between Orb and Orbital? I think Orb are wannabies
> of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
> and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
HA! That's a good joke. Oh! You're serious....well...oh nevermind. I
don't even want to waste my time.
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> they experimented with jungle/drum n bass. The Orb are more well known for
> their brilliant use of sampling and dubby ryhthms. They are a more ambient
Persi he LITERALLY meant jungle..as in rainforest, like animal and natural
sounds, not drum n bass :)
fred
Persi
In article <35768...@news.westel.com>, bde...@ii.ca says...
>
>What is the difference between Orb and Orbital? I think Orb are wannabies
>of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
>and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
Well, since Orb and Orbital have both been around the same amount of time,
there really is no copying, is there? Besides the fact that you would have to
be completely deaf to think that both bands sound similar. Listen to either
of the first two Orbital albums (both are brilliant) and then listen to
'Orbus Terrarum' or 'UForb'. Both bands are brilliant, IMO.
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In article <6l63ql$v$1...@hagen.usenet.co.uk>, Lo...@rocketmail.com says...
>
>Without doubt....Orbital are a more mature and original group.
>The Orb went shite after Uf Orb....
Depends on your opinion of shite. I thought that 'Pomme Fritz' (LX proves he
can take the piss like the best of them) and 'Orbus Terrarum' were both
brilliant.
Persi
In article <35772...@news.westel.com>, bde...@ii.ca says...
>
>Yes I have listened to Orb, and they make a lot of jungle sounds.
Which only proves that you have only heard 'Orblivion', the only record where
they experimented with jungle/drum n bass. The Orb are more well known for
their brilliant use of sampling and dubby ryhthms. They are a more ambient
outfit. Orbital are more dancey and use alot of pulsating techno beats
interfused with lush and symphonic melodies. Both are regarded as pioneers in
their particular sound and for the record the Orb was around first w/ the
release of the 'Kiss Your Love' 12" on Big Life Records.
Trevor Larginit
On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, some strange person wrote:
> James DeBeck wrote:
> >
> > What is the difference between Orb and Orbital? I think Orb are wannabies
> > of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
> > and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
>
> how about this??
>
> both groups work completely independant of eachother
> and have nothing to do with eachother except they both make trance and ambient
> inspired music
> and their names sound vaguely similar
>
> Have you ever listened to the orb?
> some of thier shit is mindblowing
>
> go buy both bands CDs
>
> (how's this, William Orbit is just a lamer poser trying to cash in on the
> success of Orbital and the Orb, hehehe)
Grr... KILL KILL KILL.
I RESENT THAT SENTIMENT. Willy Orbit has been writing his own stuff for
the whole of the 90's, after leaving, er, Bass-O-Matic. And he produced,
um, Madonna's latest album, which is rather pop-tastic to say the least.
Which brings me to the idea of cashing in. Okay, the first two Strange
Cargo albums were a bit lame, but Strange Cargo III is a jolly good
album, albeit again rather horizontally orientated. And Beth Orton (who
is his sister, allegedly, and was a Mercury Music Prize nominee) featured on
Water from a Vine Leaf years before she appeared on 'Midnight in a
Perfect World', let alone anyone had even heard of her. And she appeared
on his next album Hinterland too. So there.
Massive.
Peace, T Larginit
Blund
Yeah right on! They are, allegedly, the bastard offspring (different
mother) of
not-very-ambient-at-all latin american hotshot general Daniel Ortega.
He was heavily involved in drug trafficing which of course explains
Beth's involvement with the Chemical Brothers (not that we should be
accusing them of anything, those stories from way back when are
certainly
only rumours, right).
Strange innit?
Cheers,
Blund
Astrolabe
> > success of Orbital and the Orb, hehehe)
> Grr... KILL KILL KILL.
>
> I RESENT THAT SENTIMENT. Willy Orbit has been writing his own stuff for
> the whole of the 90's, after leaving, er, Bass-O-Matic. And he produced,
> um, Madonna's latest album, which is rather pop-tastic to say the least.
> Which brings me to the idea of cashing in. Okay, the first two Strange
> Cargo albums were a bit lame, but Strange Cargo III is a jolly good
> album, albeit again rather horizontally orientated. And Beth Orton (who
> is his sister, allegedly, and was a Mercury Music Prize nominee) featured on
> Water from a Vine Leaf years before she appeared on 'Midnight in a
> Perfect World', let alone anyone had even heard of her. And she appeared
> on his next album Hinterland too. So there.
>
william orbit has been making music since the mid 80's.
i believe that above guy was kidding about the William Orbit comment...
as for Beth Orton, he produced her first album.
didnt Beth Orton work with the Chemical Brothers, also?
and about them being brother/and sister..soudne weird, but im sure its
possible
fred
Max Rebo
James DeBeck wrote:
>
> What is the difference between Orb and Orbital? I think Orb are wannabies
> of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
> and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
The ORB .. wannabies of Orbital?... since when?
The two groups are often categorised together ( and it's nothing to do
with the name btw! ) but the music they make is totally different.
The ORB have an underlying DUB tinge to their music whereas Orbital
essentially dont! ( Am I clear here? yes? .. good! )
Someone in a later post (loopz) said the orb went shite after UFOrb ..
bollocks .. check out Obrus Terrarum for some truly beautifull ambience.
Mr Astrolabe sums it up really .. he knows what he's talking about!
Sort your head out James!
Do you have any idea how many bands were infuenced by the Orb?
No?
I thought so!
Persi
In article <Pine.OSF.3.91.980605...@cpca5.uea.ac.uk>,
x973...@cpca6.uea.ac.uk says...
>> (how's this, William Orbit is just a lamer poser trying to cash in on the
>> success of Orbital and the Orb, hehehe)
>Grr... KILL KILL KILL.
>
>I RESENT THAT SENTIMENT. Willy Orbit has been writing his own stuff for
>the whole of the 90's, after leaving, er, Bass-O-Matic.
Uh....they were being sarcastic.
jmas...@ucsd.edu
In article <3577ED...@ifi.uio.no>,
Blund <john...@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
>
> Trevor Larginit wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, some strange person wrote:
> >
> > > James DeBeck wrote:
> > > (how's this, William Orbit is just a lamer poser trying to cash in on
the
> > > success of Orbital and the Orb, hehehe)
> > Grr... KILL KILL KILL.
> >
> > I RESENT THAT SENTIMENT. Willy Orbit has been writing his own stuff for
> > the whole of the 90's, after leaving, er, Bass-O-Matic. And he produced,
William orbit has been around since the early 80s and started doing acid house
remixes of S'Express and Camoflauge even before his Bass-o-matic days...
> > um, Madonna's latest album, which is rather pop-tastic to say the least.
Much agreed!
> > Which brings me to the idea of cashing in. Okay, the first two Strange
> > Cargo albums were a bit lame, but Strange Cargo III is a jolly good
> > album, albeit again rather horizontally orientated. And Beth Orton (who
Go back and listen to those old Strange Cargo albums, there's quite a bit in
there that evolved into where house music went in the late 80s, he was on to
something in those first two...
> > is his sister, allegedly, and was a Mercury Music Prize nominee) featured
No, she's not his sister. They dated briefly in 1993 and recorded an album
called Superpinkymandy which was released in Japan only, which will never see
the light of day, anywhere--it's a great albmu, IMHO.
> > Water from a Vine Leaf years before she appeared on 'Midnight in a
> > Perfect World', let alone anyone had even heard of her. And she appeared
???????? Are you confusing DJ Shadow with CHemical Brothers? She recorded with
the Checmical Brothers, not DJ shadow.
> Yeah right on! They are, allegedly, the bastard offspring (different
> mother) of
> not-very-ambient-at-all latin american hotshot general Daniel Ortega.
Pardon my french: What the fuck is this? Do you have any idea what you're
talking about? If you're going to accuse Orbit of being a "lamer-poser", it's
obvious you have absolutely no clue about any of his music or have listened
to any of it. Orbit helped start many of the genres of techno that you listen
to right now. He's regarded as WAY ahead of his time--case in point: Strange
Cargo 3, he whipped Madonna into shape for Ray of Light and has remixed over
100 artists including Peter gabriel, Sting, Seal, Shamen, Prince, Shakepear's
Sister, the list goes on and on...I'm sure they all thought he was a "lamer
poser" when they asked him to remix their songs.
> He was heavily involved in drug trafficing which of course explains
> Beth's involvement with the Chemical Brothers (not that we should be
> accusing them of anything, those stories from way back when are
Again---what the hell are you talking about? THis makes no sense....
I suggest you make state your opinion when you actually KNOW something about
an artist.
Bye for now,
jon
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Tom Lawton
>of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
>and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
>
>
early days, did remixes as Orbital, e.g. Orbital remix.
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Tom Lawton
In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.980604...@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>,
Astrolabe <roy...@students.uiuc.edu> writes
>On Thu, 4 Jun 1998, Tom Lawton wrote:
>
>> In article <35768...@news.westel.com>, James DeBeck <bde...@ii.ca>
>> writes
>> >What is the difference between Orb and Orbital? I think Orb are wannabies
>> >of Orbital because they sound similar and Orb copied the band name "Orbital"
>> >and just shortened it. Which band sounds better?
>> >
>> >
>
>makers....they have never been followers per se but more leaders (well
>almost, sime drum n bass elements snuck into Orblivion) thier amazing
>sense of humor, extensive and smart sampling, and command of atmosphere
>and mood is superb..they can ge repetitive, but i love them
>
>i personally think their song Into the 4th Demension is underrated..i dont
>hear many people talk about this song, i think its amazing
>
>as for Orbital, i like them more than the orb, but comparing the two are
>apples and oranges...Orbital makes intelligent techno, with beautiful
>intereweaving melodies, hamronies, attention to detail and beats, and
>progressive song structure.
>
>both are great bands that pretty much set the stage for electronic muisc
>in the 1990's
>
>fred
>
that. Look at the header.
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The man who fell to earh
Trevor Larginit wrote:
> > (how's this, William Orbit is just a lamer poser trying to cash in on the
> > success of Orbital and the Orb, hehehe)
> Grr... KILL KILL KILL.
>
> I RESENT THAT SENTIMENT. Willy Orbit has been writing his own stuff for
> the whole of the 90's, after leaving, er, Bass-O-Matic. And he produced,
> Cargo albums were a bit lame, but Strange Cargo III is a jolly good
> album, albeit again rather horizontally orientated. And Beth Orton (who
> Water from a Vine Leaf years before she appeared on 'Midnight in a
> Perfect World', let alone anyone had even heard of her. And she appeared
>
helloooooo
it was a joke!
note the obvious "he he he" thrown in, geez ppl, can't use humor without one of
those stupid :)s
i was making fun of the original poster who assumed that since Orb was a shorter
band name than Orbital that the Orb must be ripping off Orbital
in an attempt to screw with his mind AND point out how stupid that was
i commented that William Orbit was ripping them BOTH off
no reason to get hyper defensive if you like the guy
geez
Ralph Moonen
"Loopz" <Lo...@rocketmail.com> verhelderde zijn standpunt dmv.::
>Without doubt....Orbital are a more mature and original group.
>The Orb went shite after Uf Orb....
Bull. Orblivion rules. And the Orb was there before orbital anyway.
>Loopz
>www.hyperreal.org/loopz
>
>James DeBeck wrote in message <35768...@news.westel.com>...
Astrolabe
>
> Bull. Orblivion rules. And the Orb was there before orbital anyway.
im not too educated on the subject, but i think your splitting hairs...if
i remember both Chime and A Huge Ever Pulsating Brain.... came out both in
1989.. and well, the Hartnol borthers have been together all their lives
so i guess they are first ;) just kidding of course, i know the ORb had
previous incarnations but the Orb were talking about now and Orbital are
approx the same time frame
fred
Persi
In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.980606...@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>,
roy...@students.uiuc.edu says...
>
>>
>> Bull. Orblivion rules. And the Orb was there before orbital anyway.
>
>
>im not too educated on the subject, but i think your splitting hairs...if
>i remember both Chime and A Huge Ever Pulsating Brain.... came out both in
>1989.
The Orb's very first release was in 1989 and was called 'Kiss Your Love'.
It's very rare and can be found on different bootlegs (Anthology I, Mirror
Image II, etc).
As for Orbital's first release? Loopz should know the answer to that one.
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On Fri, 5 Jun 1998, The man who fell to earh wrote:
> helloooooo
>
> it was a joke!
> note the obvious "he he he" thrown in, geez ppl, can't use humor without one of
> those stupid :)s
Perhaps I was joking too...
Me, AKA T Larginit
Loopz
Persi <cow...@NOSPAN.ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<6lb25i$s...@sjx-ixn4.ix.netcom.com>...
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.980606...@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu>,
> roy...@students.uiuc.edu says...
> The Orb's very first release was in 1989 and was called 'Kiss Your Love'.
> It's very rare and can be found on different bootlegs (Anthology I,
Mirror
> Image II, etc).
>
> As for Orbital's first release? Loopz should know the answer to that one.
>
It was Chime on the Oh-Zone label in 1989. But they were creating music for
a few years before then...and even had a few tracks released on compilation
albums under a different name. Personally (and u got to remeber everyone
/can/ have a different view) ... ive not found one Orb track inspiring or
interesting enough to think its deserves a more than average status. Uf Orb
and Adventures i enjoyed but after that i wouldnt recommend it to anyone.
Regardless of who was there first (what the hell has that got to do with
anything!) ... In my eyes ... i prefer Orbital.
Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine.
www.hyperreal.org/loopz
PUMP...@webtv.net
were you born yesterday??? The ORB and Orbital are completely different
groups. Maybe you should listen to their music before you make such a
ridiculous statement. If you go to your local record store (for you
probably at the mall) you should at least be able to pick up the two
newest releases form the groups INSIDES-by orbital ORBLIVION-the orb.
and if ou can find any CD's by either grou their definitly worth the
money. Each is very origional and different. Help yourself to the
knowledge.
The man who fell to Earth
Loopz wrote:
>In my eyes ... i prefer Orbital.
> Steve LOOPZ Price
> Orbital Zine.
> www.hyperreal.org/loopz
hmm...
the guy that runs the Orbital Zine likes them more than the Orb, who woulda
guessed?
sorry, i just found it amusing
(be kinda like me arguing about Joy Division)
Loopz
If i preferred The Orb then i would run The Orb zine - common sense maybe
:)
Steve LOOPZ Price
Orbital Zine
www.hyperreal.org/loopz
The man who fell to Earth <thec...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<357B3D4D...@hotmail.com>...
>
>
> Loopz wrote:
>
> >In my eyes ... i prefer Orbital.
>
> > Steve LOOPZ Price
> > Orbital Zine.
> > www.hyperreal.org/loopz
>
> hmm...
> the guy that runs the Orbital Zine likes them more than the Orb, who
woulda
> guessed?
> sorry, i just found it amusing
Foofish
He obviously didn't know what he was talking about since he had to ask
us which group sounded better. It would make sense that if he had heard
ANYTHING from those groups he SHOULD be able to make up his own opinion.
Obviously he is a little whiney skull-full-o'-mush and depends on the
brains of other people to survive. His mother probably dresses him too.
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