Why Prodigy is so popular?
Seung Kim
I don't know why this group is so popular, especially in the MP3 sites!
Everyone has a LONG list of MP3 files of them. I am an avid Techno music
fan, and I think they are not that talented. I have their CD "Music for the
Jilted generation" I think this album stinks overall. It's way too
repetitive.
Also with the Chemical Brothers. Another group that is popular. I also
think that they are not that spectacular either.
tanith
Seung Kim <ski...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
they are popular because they do music that means something to a lot of
people, simple as that. i observe, in my function as a dj who played
techno from day one, that a lot of the people who are into techno in the
4to the floor means don't understand music like prodigy or the chems.
mostly the argument comes that this is cheap music or kiddy stuff, which
reminds me a lot of what journalists said about acid when it came up in
the late 80ies, a few years later the same people hoorayed acid as the
most intelligent music, just because a few other artists who were more
feuilletonlike were producing it. techno's most important slogans to me
were "open your mind" and especially in germany "forcing the future" and
"forwards ever, backwards never", this is gone now as most people who
are into techno are more into the status quo instead of above slogans,
so it's like politics.
i always appreciate new forms of music and i don't mind from what
direction they come as long as it kicks me. the chems and the prodigy
kick me since their first outputs and for that i respect them. i don't
rate them by spectacularity but by music and what it gives to me
everything else is political bollocks.
greetings
Tanith
resin8
If both of these groups suck so bad, then who is good?
Repition is the nature of the music, if you dont like it, dont listen.
Seung Kim wrote in message <6a90ku$n...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
Louis Counter
Seung Kim wrote:
>
> I don't know why this group is so popular, especially in the MP3 sites!
> Everyone has a LONG list of MP3 files of them. I am an avid Techno music
> fan, and I think they are not that talented. I have their CD "Music for the
> Jilted generation" I think this album stinks overall. It's way too
> repetitive.
>
> Also with the Chemical Brothers. Another group that is popular. I also
> think that they are not that spectacular either.
They both make a good cross over to the mainstream, I know people who
have started listening to techno through them. Same with the Chemicals.
If people are looking for Prodigy stuff and they check out a techno site
with it they may stay and check out more stuff. What better way to
spread the word, it requires no effort and not much web space.
What did you start listening to that got you into techno? We had
someone earlier admitting that it was 2 Unlimited (who yeah I liked at
the time too) who got them into techno, and I think Prodigy are a lot
more interesting than 2 Unlimited ever were. I've got bored with FOTL
but I really liked it when it first came out.
The first dance stuff I listened to and liked was Blue Pearl's 'Naked'
album, still really rate it, not stunningly original but it's great
stuff. Unless I listend to Blue Pearl and 2 Unlimited I don't think I'd
get Roni Size, Goldie, J-Majik, etc who I really rate now, I definately
wouldn't be writing my own stuff.
Sorry if this has ended up as a bit of a rant but I'm sure you get the
idea.
Louis Counter
coun...@boat.bt.com
www.angelfire.com/hi/BrokenDrum
It's like... tape is an expansion of your memory but you can't always
remember where your memory is! Philosophically that's very interesting,
I think.
Kraftwerk.
LUSH
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998, resin8 wrote:
> If both of these groups suck so bad, then who is good?
> Repition is the nature of the music, if you dont like it, dont listen.
> Seung Kim wrote in message <6a90ku$n...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
> >Jilted generation" I think this album stinks overall. It's way too
> >repetitive.
> >
> >Also with the Chemical Brothers. Another group that is popular. I also
> >think that they are not that spectacular either.
I'd have to agree with "resin8". I think techno, in general, is
repititious. I actually think that Prodigy and the Chem. Bros. are the
least repititive in this genre. It seems, to me, that your exposure to
techno isn't well-rounded or else you would have figured out that techno
is repititious, in general. Eventhough the Prodigy aren't my fav."techno"
group, I still think Jilted is their best album and it actually has been
praised as a good example of techno. If you appreciate the
characteristics of "techno" (I hate labels) then, you would appreciate
albums by the Prodigy and the Chem. Bros.
L
Cool Cat w
Why is Prodigy so popular? I'm guessing its because they take a popular style
of music(rock) and mix it with the new trend(techno). I personaly dont thinks
it works out well.
Lord of deXness
It works out all right. The problem is that others are doing it much
better than they are (see Supersonic, Chemical Brothers, Headrillaz,
Bentley Rhythm Ace, Lionrock). The Prodigy reigned supreme in the
heyday of breakbeat, but they can't seem to find the same niche in
the current big beat market. (Not that the drop of their music's
quality has affected their popularity...)
It should be noted that I still like the Prodigy. However, I'm no
longer fanatical about them.
deX!
Dix
DriedIce wrote:
>
> Um, how do people come to listen to rock? Country? Rap? They hear it
> and they like it so they buy CD's of that nature.
>
Well.. is the question necesseraly so bad? I mean, no - it doesn't
really matter what got you into techno music, but even still it might be
fun to hear how others were introduced to this music.
I don't demand of anyone to answer the question, so if yoiu find it lmae
- then don't answer!
> >>>I can
> say with pride that I have always thought 2 Unlimited is crap.<<<
>
> How proud you must be. Course you could be saying this just so you
> won't get flamed, or called a loser for every liking them. They were
> semi-popular at one point, and they were fucking largly influential.
> I mean, La Bouche and Aqua are basically the exact same fucking music, > annoylingly pitched female vocals backed by a deep male focal, on top
> of hyper bubblegum frenzied "dance".
Sure, I'll admit it was a silly statement. It came as a reply to a
previous poster who said (something to the effect of) he was not proud
to admit that he once liked 2 Unlimited.
Of course there is little to be proud about, not liking some music or
the other, and as tanith said in another followup (which I will not
reply to seperatly, so I throw it in here):
well i can't say there is too much qualitative difference to both
examples [das boot and 2 unlimited]. das boot was in the same
commercial slot as 2 unlimited
Point well taken tanith.
Eventhough I strongly dissagree with "the level of qualitative
difference".
But when I say I have always thought 2 Unlimited is crap, that is a
fact, and it was actually them and their likes that made me for several
years not want to be associated with techno music, thus holding me away
from the real scene, and from qulity techno.
>
> And nobody would call The Prodigy techno either. So what's the fucking > point of
> you stating this?
>
Well..... judging from the frequency of occurence of just that name in
this newsgroup, I think there are people who would call the Prodigy
techno. (As I remember this thread actually started as a thread about
the Prodigy.)
I wouldn't have mentioned the Prodigy here if so hadn't been the case..
>
> >>>>What comes to Prodigy, I have a hard time separating their style > with that of Marylin Manson<<
>
> Do you even listen to music other than techno?
Humm? is the Prodigy techno or isn't it? make up your mind!
> Manson is about as far
> awa from The Prodigy as it can get. Just becuase they might have the
> same ENERGY as Manson, doesnt' mean that they're the same fucking
> thing.
[if you still say the Prodigy has nothing to do with techno (and I would
agree with you), just skip the next paragraph - this is for those who
say they do.]
No, I dissagree. The difference really isn't so great. My point was -
what makes the Prodigy techno and Marilyn Manson not? I fail to see some
special "techno quality" in songs like Smack My Bitch Up or Firestarter.
Sure, the Prodigy is mostly faster than Marilyn Manson, and deffinetly
more dancable, but does that mean that all dancable music techno? Is it
the synths? Marylin Manson uses synths. The two groups does not play the
same music, but IMHO they play about the same style of music. Don't ask
me to set a name to this style, but it is _not_ techno.
>
> >>>(except Marylin Manson is better)<<<
>
> Hmm. Well, for someone who is "better", why would they envy anothers > style....
>
That is really beside the point. Of course when I say Marylin Manson is
better, that could only be my personal opinion. I like them better.
I expect you dissagree. That's you have all right to do, of course, and
I even believe myself to be in the the minority of opinion at just this
point in this newsgroup.
And from your Marilyn Manson quote (which is all I can relate to here,
since I have not heard the interview myslef), I could only see that
Marylin Manson envyd the style in the Prodigy's _video_. What does that
have to do with musical style?
Knowing Marylin Manson, I'd say they only envyd the mere repulsivness
(see any Marylin Manson video to see what I mean). Afterall, the techno
culture (again asuming we talk about the Prodigy as techno) has never
relaid much upon videos, anyway.
LUSH
On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Tom Ewing wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:20 -0800, Louis Counter
> <broke...@angelfire.com> wrote:
>
> >What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
>
For me, it was Leftfield. I was hooked from day one. By the way, any
news on when they are releasing their new album? I still want to say that
they are my fav, but I've been listening to Orbital non-stop lately.
L
Joe Collver
I got into techno when my brother started playing Information Society. I
thought the music was great, then he started playing stuff like Acen, and
that got me even more into it. When my brother went away to college I
stopped listening to it as much, but from 1995 on I've been collecting cd's
like crazy. I can't get away from the stuff!
--Joe.
Dix
tanith wrote:
> there's no need to dis the likes of others, just let them like what
> they like, i do not have to live with them, nor do i want them to be
> like me, it's a free world(at least it should be) and i want every
> single soul to find their likes. it has not to do anything with this
> is better than that, because you can't compare it.
It is not my intention to make this thread go on forever, but I just
want to point out that I did _not_ dis anybodys likes. To quote myself:
That is really beside the point. Of course when I say Marylin
Manson is better, that could only be my personal opinion. I like them
better.
I expect you dissagree. That's you have all right to do, of
course, and I even believe myself to be in the the minority of
opinion at just this point in this newsgroup.
So there! ;)
Dix
Louis Counter wrote:
> What did you start listening to that got you into techno? We had
> someone earlier admitting that it was 2 Unlimited (who yeah I liked at
> the time too) who got them into techno, and I think Prodigy are a lot
> more interesting than 2 Unlimited ever were. I've got bored with FOTL
> but I really liked it when it first came out.
>
That is a good question! How do people come to listen to techno? I can
say with pride that I have always thought 2 Unlimited is crap. I think
that if there is one song that made me start listening to techno, it'd
have to be das Boot. I still think that is one of the greatest pieces of
techno music!
What comes to Prodigy, I have a hard time separating their style with
that of Marylin Manson (except Marylin Manson is better) and noone would
call Marylin Manson techno.
I kinda liked the early stuff though.. I've always thought outa space
has a nice sound to it.
Dix
replace 'nospam' in my address with 'hansst' for contact.
tanith
Dix <han...@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
>I can
> say with pride that I have always thought 2 Unlimited is crap. I think
> that if there is one song that made me start listening to techno, it'd
> have to be das Boot. I still think that is one of the greatest pieces of
> techno music!
well i can't say there is too much qualitative difference to both
examples. das boot was in the same commercial slot as 2 unlimited, but
if one of that tracks brought people to techno, that's ok with me. you
don't start with programming usually if you're getting into computers
either, if you get the picture. i would say it doesn't matter as long as
it brings you to the real thing ;-)
greetings
Tanith
DriedIce
>>>>>I have their CD "Music for the
repetitive.
<<<<<<
Okay, so would you mind sharing with us what you deem as "good"? And
repetetive? Their Law and 3 Kilos and No Good are about as different as music
can get. And they are all on the same album. Explain to me how this is
"repetitive".
>>>>I am an avid Techno music
fan, and I think they are not that talented.<<<<
Ah yes....it's good that you're looking at them from a techno-related point of
view. Perhaps the fact that they ARE NOT TECHNO is blinding your better
judgement.
You make some bold statements, but have nothing but your own judgement to back
them up. It boggles the mind how a group that is "not that talented" is one of
the biggest in the world.
---
Ethan
DriedIce
>>>>Why is Prodigy so popular?<<<
Becuase they are the best band around.
>>>>I'm guessing its because they take a popular style
of music(rock) and mix it with the new trend(techno).<<<
Excuse me, but this is not the aim of their music. Sure there are elemtns of
both styles in there, but it's not done purposely. And this "new trend" Never
took off in the states, anyway. So why would they continue to use elements of
it in their music if they're only trying to gain popularity?
>>>>I personaly dont thinks
it works out well. <<<
I personaly don't think you know what you're talking about.
---
Ethan
DriedIce
>>>How do people come to listen to techno? <<<
Um, how do people come to listen to rock? Country? Rap? They hear it and they
like it so they buy CD's of that nature.
>>>I can
say with pride that I have always thought 2 Unlimited is crap.<<<
How proud you must be. Course you could be saying this just so you won't get
flamed, or called a loser for every liking them. They were semi-popular at one
point, and they were fucking largly influential. I mean, La Bouche and Aqua are
basically the exact same fucking music, annoylingly pitched female vocals
backed by a deep male focal, on top of hyper bubblegum frenzied "dance".
This doesnt' mean that these groups are good, but it shows how much iof an
impact they had. And since we're still talking about them 6 years after they
emerged, that also says something about their stayingpower.
>>>>What comes to Prodigy, I have a hard time separating their style with
that of Marylin Manson<<
Do you even listen to music other than techno? Manson is about as far awa from
The Prodigy as it can get. Just becuase they might have the same ENERGY as
Manson, doesnt' mean that they're the same fucking thing.
>>>(except Marylin Manson is better)<<<
Hmm. Well, for someone who is "better", why would they envy anothers style....
(From NME interview with Manson)
>What are your thoughs on The Prodigy's 'Smack My Bitch Up' video?
My first thought was to be disappointed that I hadn't made something
that intense. It's very difficult, dealing with the boundaries you're
given by MTV. I thought it was very well done, and probably one of the
best videos I've ever seen.<
For someone who is "better", they shouldn't have a reason to want to have "made
something that intense."
"and noone would
call Marylin Manson techno."
And nobody would call The Prodigy techno either. So what's the fucking point of
you stating this?
---
Ethan
DriedIce
>>>well i can't say there is too much qualitative difference to both
examples. das boot was in the same commercial slot as 2 unlimited, but
if one of that tracks brought people to techno, that's ok with me. you
don't start with programming usually if you're getting into computers
either, if you get the picture. i would say it doesn't matter as long as
it brings you to the real thing ;-)
greetings
Tanith<<<<
Very well stated. Who gives a fuck HOW you got into the scene, as long as you
dind't stay in that rut of only listening to 2Unlimited and thinking that it's
the best out there.
---
Ethan
Tom Ewing
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:20 -0800, Louis Counter
>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
This is a nice thread idea, actually.
The first I can remember hearing was Baby Ford's 'Oochy Ko ochy', back
in about '88. I was a big indie fan, tho ugh, and while I liked the
dance/rock crossovers of Madchester I never bothered to explore techno
that much. I first got more interested with the chart rave stuff in
the early 90s, started buying the music with the Orb and Sabres of
Paradise, but my real Damascus moment was as late as March 1994, when
I bought a cheap jungle tape and gradually realised that this music
was pissing all over 95% of the other stuff I listened to. From then
on I've been digging into the music's history and keeping up as best
I can (not being a DJ or producer) with what's going on.
Any other stories?
Cheers,
Tom.
Mike Kolesnik
>On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:20 -0800, Louis Counter
><broke...@angelfire.com> wrote:
>
>>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
>
>This is a nice thread idea, actually.
I got my first taste of the Techno from the radio believe it or not!
One night around 1 am I was wandering the vast FM wasteland known as
Phoenix, Arizona radio when I was slam dunked into an ocean of TRANCE.
There was this show (regretfully gone now) called "The Edge Factor"
It was about 4 1/2 hours of almost non-stop techno. Needless to say,
it kicked ass over anything else on the radio.
The show was mixed by a local DJ, Markus "Sly" Shultz and it lasted
for almost 5 years. I would tape the show on my VCR then make my
own mixtapes of the stuff I liked. I now have a vast collection of
FREE music. I later would go out and buy CD's of the artists that I
really liked.
Mike Kolesnik
PERCIWORLD
In article <34c96e2c...@nntp.netcruiser>, eb...@NOSPAM.netcomuk.co.uk
says...
>
>On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:20 -0800, Louis Counter
><broke...@angelfire.com> wrote:
>
>>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
>
>This is a nice thread idea, actually.
I use to go to raves around 1990 and loved the hardcore beat. However, my
real love of electronic music wasn't until I saw Goldie perform live, opening
for Bjork in 1995. After that I LIVED for electronic music. I was a fan of
ambient since the late 80's, starting with the Cocteau Twins, who to this day
remain my absolute favorite band, and eventuallybought stuff from Eno, Aphex
Twin, My Bloody Valentine, Slowdive, Love Spirals Downwards.
Now, I'm a Kranky addict (still gotta get the new Magnog double CD set) and
am a HUGE Jessamine fan.
--
In My CD Changer/Stereo:
Jessamine - A Fictionalized History
Crosby, Stills Nash and young - So Far
Bardo Pond - Lapsed
Quote:
"I'm not a homosexual,
I've slept with hundreds of guys
and I still don't like it"
Chico
I myself am new to techno, so I won't try to pretend that I know as much
as you people. I started listening to it this summer, when I bought
FOTL. I became bored with Firestarter and Breathe, But I really like
several other tracks, like Mindfields, Naryan, and SMBU. I went and
bought The Experience today, and I also borrowed some cd's from a
friend. Aphex Twin and a compilation cd. I don't think I've ever heard
anything off of the two cd's.
So that's how I'm starting out. Can anyone offer suggestions as to
some groups I should check out? I'd really appreciate it.
Bart Lateur
eb...@NOSPAM.netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) wrote:
>>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
>
>This is a nice thread idea, actually.
I saw the Orb perform live on TV a few years ago. I really liked it. So
I borrowed a few CD's from the library. Eventually I even started going
to techno parties (aka raves).
It took me a few years to get into techno (after it started), well,
mainly because of the style of the music they play in discotecques (is
that how you write that?), for well over ten years now: HOUSE. Although
very varied, but that means "cheap music" to me, plus: sexual poseurs.
You know, many house "artists" (you actually hardly ever see the real
musicians) have that cyber/SnM/out-of-this-world look; most of the time
with explicit sexual accents (sex means MONEY!)
I didn't like that. I didn't want to be associated with anything even
REMOTELY like that. So I threw away the child with the bath water, as
the saying goes.
Bart.
mark bartlam
>On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:20 -0800, Louis Counter
><broke...@angelfire.com> wrote:
>
>>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
>
>This is a nice thread idea, actually.
Agreed.
I can't remember a specific moment, but it was probably through my
brother that I was first introduced to this stuff. In the late
80's/early 90's, I was the typical indie kid whereas my brother got
quite heavily into the rave scene at the time. He used to bring these
mix tapes home from the Eclipse in Coventry, by the likes of Fabio,
Grooverider, Mickey Finn, Top Buzz, and I used to listen to them. I
used to love the manic energy of the music, although I was really put
off by the fact that I didn't know who any of the artists were. I do
remember hearing LFO, 808 State and Orbital and buying cheesy chart
stuff like SL2, The Prodigy (who *were* cheesy at that time) and
Altern 8, while at the same time I was listening to Andy Weatherall
mixes of My Bloody Valentine, The Orb, The Shamen, Happy Mondays and
so on.
The really big conversion came when I moved to London in 1992 and
started listening to the pirate jungle stations, going to clubs (such
as Megadog) and plucking up the courage to go into shops and buy 12"s.
One of the first was AFX's "Analogue Bubblebath" EP which had
"Digeridoo" on it, a track which I'd heard played out and loved. I
took a chance on Aphex Twin's "Selected Ambient Works '85-'92", then
Polygon Window and Warp's Artificial Intelligence series. From there I
was hooked.
--mark
--
}----------{mark bartlam}----------{
tanith
Dix <nos...@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> But when I say I have always thought 2 Unlimited is crap, that is a
> fact, and it was actually them and their likes that made me for several
> years not want to be associated with techno music, thus holding me away
> from the real scene, and from qulity techno.
>
firstly thanks for the compliment, but don't blame 2 Unlimiited for your
informational shortcommings, there was good techno way before that
project and good techno after them, they didn't hold you away from the
real thing it was just your prejustice by laziness. sorry for you to
miss the best years though ;-)
> > And nobody would call The Prodigy techno either. So what's the fucking
> point of
> > you stating this?
> >
>
> [if you still say the Prodigy has nothing to do with techno (and I would
> agree with you), just skip the next paragraph - this is for those who
> say they do.]
>
> No, I dissagree. The difference really isn't so great. My point was -
> what makes the Prodigy techno and Marilyn Manson not? I fail to see some
> special "techno quality" in songs like Smack My Bitch Up or Firestarter.
> Sure, the Prodigy is mostly faster than Marilyn Manson, and deffinetly
> more dancable, but does that mean that all dancable music techno? Is it
> the synths? Marylin Manson uses synths. The two groups does not play the
> same music, but IMHO they play about the same style of music. Don't ask
> me to set a name to this style, but it is _not_ techno.
ahem, does it come out to that boring "this is techno and this is not"
again? I see it this way: prodigy come from techno, mainly the uk
hardcore breakbeats back in 91/92 and out of that evolved their own
style in which they added styles of other genres, mainly crossover, so
for that they are still techno to me. i see techno in it's whole as a
movement which incorporates different styles, i don't want to play the
judge and say this is techno and that isn't, i don't need that labeling
either, i do not confirm with certain styles of techno and like a few,
but nobody asks me to like the whole thing, so where's the problem?
>
> >
> > >>>(except Marylin Manson is better)<<<
> >
> > Hmm. Well, for someone who is "better", why would they envy anothers
> style....
> >
it's mostly a thing of what life you live and what goes with your
experiences,
there's no need to dis the likes of others, just let them like what they
like, i do not have to live with them, nor do i want them to be like me,
it's a free world(at least it should be) and i want every single soul to
find their likes. it has not to do anything with this is better than
that, because you can't compare it.
greetings
Tanith
Eric Iverson
> >>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
That would be electronic music in general.
In specific, "The Wozard of Iz" produced by
Bernard Krause (circa 1970) was the first
mostly-moog music I'd ever consciously
heard, and is also the earliest example
of true techno-like music I've ever heard
even though it's only a few seconds worth
on two songs.
The occasional '70s novelty song like "Popcorn"
by Hot Buttered, or pop tune "Love will keep us
together" by the Captain and Tennille held my
attention due to their conspicuous use of synths.
During highschool I sought out more electronic
music (Synergy, Tomita) which led to my
hearing Kraftwerk's "Radioactivity" in 1978,
which was a revelation, soon followed by
other KW albums. Moroder/Summer's "I Feel Love"
fits in there somewhere too. Unfortunately I got
sidetracked into new wave music as well.
Around 1982-83 I heard Cybotron's "Cosmic Cars"
(Detroit mix) on Mojo's show on WGPR, and a
friend played me "Sharivari" by A Number of Names.
These were pretty much the start of Detroit Techno,
and Techno proper.
--Eric
(to reply via e-mail, remove "REMOVE_TO_REPLY." from my return address)
DriedIce
>>>>It works out all right. The problem is that others are doing it much
better than they are (see Supersonic, Chemical Brothers, Headrillaz,
Bentley Rhythm Ace, Lionrock)<<<<
This isn't a fucking prescription for making music, the groups you've mentioned
(excluding Chemical Brothers) are so NOT even CLOSE to anything The Prod has
done. Jeezuz, Bentley Rhythm Ace? You are starving for anything to use other
than the Chems, which are in a class all on their own. I fail to see how Block
Rockin Beats and Firestarter sound anything alike. Oh, cuz they both us a
guitar sample. So does that mean that they sound industrial as well? Skinny
Puppy woud not fit very well on the same bill as Chemical Brothers.
>>>>The Prodigy reigned supreme in the
heyday of breakbeat, but they can't seem to find the same niche in
the current big beat market<<<
And since when have they been trying to "find the same niche"? They put out
great music, if peole like it, great, if they don't, then fuck 'em. THey'renot
trying to fit in anywhere, big beat, generic "techno", whatever. They're just
tehre, and you take them as they are.
>>>(Not that the drop of their music's
quality has affected their popularity...)<<<
Yeah, peole like them becuase they're shit.
Please buy a clue, they're on blue light special right now.
---
Ethan
DriedIce
>>>what makes the Prodigy techno and Marilyn Manson not? <<<<
Neither of them are techno, so you're "point" is errelevent.
>>>I fail to see some
> special "techno quality" in songs like Smack My Bitch Up or Firestarter.<<<
Okay, Nirvana.
Do they have the same kind of drums in their songs? No. The very fact that the
electronic element is present seperates them from being techno.
>>>>Sure, the Prodigy is mostly faster than Marilyn Manson, and deffinetly
> more dancable<<<
And as we know Techno is not made for dancing.
>>>but does that mean that all dancable music techno?<<<
By definition, ALL music is danceable, otherwise it woudln't make any sense. No
matter how slow, what instruments are used, how they are used, it all has to
flow in some way. Thus, anything out there can be danced to. Unless you poiut
out noise groups like Merzbow and Pain Jerk. But even then, the whole point is
to creat organized sound.
>>>>>Marylin Manson uses synths. The two groups does not play the
> same music, but IMHO they play about the same style of music. Don't ask
> me to set a name to this style, but it is _not_ techno.<<<
Then why the fuck are you tring to say that something makes "the Prodigy techno
and Marilyn Manson not.."?
Keep it comming, this is some funny shit, listening to people who don't know
what they're talking about.
---
Ethan
Kym ap Rhys
Tom Ewing wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:20 -0800, Louis Counter
> <broke...@angelfire.com> wrote:
>
>
I got invited to this party... Anyway I was given a tape one of the DJs
had done, and then spent quite a while trying find where I could get
some more of the stuff... Hey, I didn't even know it was called techno
at that point! So I played the tape to some friends, and made some very
bad buying decisions based on what they told me ('that's rave music -
you know, dance')
I had to work my way through several sub-genres before I found out what
I really liked was techno and trance!
Kym
Par-Salian
Chico wrote:
An obvious question for you is what you think of Experience and also the
Aphex twin material you heard... Also, any groups that stick out to you
on the compilation you borrowed? Some generally more accessible stuff
that's worth giving a try: Chemical Brothers, Underworld, Orbital,
Headrillaz, Fat Boy Slim, Bentley Rhythm Ace, Plug, Squarepusher, Juno
Reactor and Lionrock... Those are just some good starting points that
span quite a variation of sound in the genre of electronic music... It's
hard to know what to suggest to you when all you've heard is FOTL :)..
Anyway, feel free to reply for more help..
-Par <p...@cloud9.net>
np: Ghostface Killah - "Ironman"
Dix
I guess for some people it is very hard to read the entire thread
they're in before they start flaming...
DriedIce wrote:
>
> >>>>Sure, the Prodigy is mostly faster than Marilyn Manson, and deffinetly
> > more dancable<<<
>
> And as we know Techno is not made for dancing.
>
I beg to differ. Arguably, most of the (close - not talking back to the
blues here) roots of anything that is called techno today goes back to
music that was made _explicitly_ to be danced to.
I'm talking about club (disco) and house culture for the most. You might
claim that this is _not_ the roots of "modern" techno, but IMHO it is.
> >>>but does that mean that all dancable music techno?<<<
>
> By definition, ALL music is danceable, otherwise it woudln't make any
> sense. No matter how slow, what instruments are used, how they are used, > it all has to flow in some way. Thus, anything out there can be danced to.
> Unless you poiut out noise groups like Merzbow and Pain Jerk. But even
> then, the whole point is to creat organized sound.
>
Please don't be a smartass. You know very well what I mean by danceable
(as opposed to music that is not created to be danced to), and if you
claim differently - I claim you are only trying to be quarralsome.
> >>>>>Marylin Manson uses synths. The two groups does not play the
> > same music, but IMHO they play about the same style of music. Don't ask
> > me to set a name to this style, but it is _not_ techno.<<<
>
> Then why the fuck are you tring to say that something makes "the Prodigy
> techno and Marilyn Manson not.."?
>
Why the fuck can't you read the entire thread you are posting in?!
I have _never_ claimed that either the Prodigy, nor Marylin Manson is
techno. Infact, the only point I have been trying to make in this
increasingly pointless discussion is that the Prodigy is _not_ techno.
And I bring it up because
1) I have seen quite a few people here refer to the prodigy as techno
2) This is alt.music.techno, but still the Prodigy seems by far to be
the group most often mentioned here.
> Keep it comming, this is some funny shit, listening to people who don't
> know what they're talking about.
>
Well thank you. So far you haven't been trying to prove to hard that you
have a clue yourself, but I am looking forward to an improvement at that
point.
PERCIWORLD
In article <34CA78AE...@cloud9.net>, p...@cloud9.net says...
>An obvious question for you is what you think of Experience and also the
>Aphex twin material you heard... Also, any groups that stick out to you
>on the compilation you borrowed? Some generally more accessible stuff
>that's worth giving a try: Chemical Brothers, Underworld, Orbital,
>Headrillaz, Fat Boy Slim, Bentley Rhythm Ace, Plug, Squarepusher, Juno
>Reactor and Lionrock.
Squarepusher accessible? ;)
--
In My CD Changer/Stereo:
Bardo Pond - Amanita
Third Eye Foundation - Sound Of Violence
AFX - Hangable Auto Bulb 1
"SPICEWORLD" - Fun movie for Fun people!!
Chris Saunderson
LUSH <rlbe...@students.uiuc.edu> writes:
> On Sat, 24 Jan 1998, Tom Ewing wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:20 -0800, Louis Counter
> > <broke...@angelfire.com> wrote:
> >
> > >What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
> >
> For me, it was Leftfield. I was hooked from day one. By the way, any
> news on when they are releasing their new album? I still want to say that
> they are my fav, but I've been listening to Orbital non-stop lately.
I can add my own "it was right _then_ that I was hooked". My bent is
trance/ambient. I was watching the most excellent "Dancing in the
Street" documentary series. In the 10th part, "Planet Rock", "electronic"
music was the subject - Afrika Baambaataa and Zulu Nation, Grandmaster
Flash and hip hop, Run DMC and rap (including some great interviews
with Russell Simmons and Rick Rubin (!)), New Order and a few others.
I really started to perk up when Derrick May began to talk about
techno as "the genocide of music", and Frankie Knuckles about how
he got turned on to house. Then there was this little piece (it's
the transcript I typed out):
10: Planet Rock
[4 minutes]
[voiceover]
Even with all this diverse wealth of sounds, some were still looking
for that perfect beat.
Approaching the 90's came bands that would push the boundaries
even further with 15 minutes soundscapes, montaging samples
and sequences which seemed to sum up the musical adventures of
the 80's.
["Blue Room" plays over imagery from the video, and Dr Alex swings
into view on a dentist's chair which has "ORB" down the back
and is spewing smoke in reverse :)]
[Dr Alex]
In the earlier part of the 80's, there was still this undeniable
urge to release records with choruses and verses even in dance music.
Fortunately, bands like Run DMC came along, and using a huge
808 bass sound, which no-one had ever really heard as a bass drum
before recreated this whole new sound which became the bass and
drums, which to a lot of people who listen to reggae, would be
laughing, because to them, that's what it was all about in the
first place - the bass and drums.
..used to get these tapes sent religiously from NY - Friday
night KISS-FM tapes - Chuck Chillout and Chef Pettibone (?)
who later on became producers - producing people like,
even Madonna, shall we say.
He was doing things to New Order that I'd never heard before, you
see a connection when you think "I really like what Derrick
May is doing, why's it sound so different?" Then you find out he
like Kraftwerk, that's an answer.
House was another ball game entirely, it became ... [unintelligible]
to me it became, I got eaten up by it...
[section of the "Summer of Love"]
I've never seen 20,000 people in a field with no... no real
supervision, so many different types of people in that club, all
really loving each other.
Well, DJ's took over the part of being "the band", without actually
being seen as a band... you could, again, go to a club and
become the band by dancing to the DJ's music, that's where the
Orb started off.
[Little Fluffy Clouds starts to play, @ 2:27minutes]
The mixing desk itself, live, has become another instrument
with us, but it's used to do a different, totally different
purposes. One is to make a completely different arrangement
out of something that's been made in the studio in the first place.
We then moved it forward and put a live drummer on stage with
us, which is played through the mixing desk, and a live bass
player and a live percussionist.
Now we've started experimenting from doing 12 minutes takes to
doing like 40 minute versions live using technology and old
instruments together.
[voiceover]
Although a total break from all the established pop rules, this new
ambient sound was to earn the Orb 3 platinum albums.
[Dr Alex]
The feel I've had for music has been to travel and finding different
types of music, anyways, that's a lot of influence for me, music from
around the world, be it from South America, be it from India,
be it from Asia, be it from Africa
[end]
I can honestly say this hooked me on The Orb. I ran out and picked up
"Adventures beyond Ultraworld" "Orbus Terrarum" and "UFOrb" the next
day, and have been adding to my collection ever since. The best
2 albums I've picked up in recent weeks have been The Orb: The Peel
Sessions, and Orbital's Peel Sessions. Very VERY cool.
Anyhow, my bit of trivia :)
--
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Technical Support Engineer Telephone: (08) 8379 7333
Maptek Pty Ltd Fax: (08) 8379 7377
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THE ONE
In <34c96e2c...@nntp.netcruiser> eb...@NOSPAM.netcomuk.co.uk (Tom
Ewing) writes:
>
>On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:20 -0800, Louis Counter
><broke...@angelfire.com> wrote:
>
>>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
I've stated it before but it was via alternative rock radio here in LA
instead of the normal club/house route that turned me on to techno. I
had always liked commercial electronic music (new wave) but the two
tracks that convinced me guitars were on their way out, although they
had a galore of guitar samples, were "Pump Up the Volume" by MARRS and
"Cubik" by 808 State, both played by alternative rock giant KROQ before
alternative became the dominant force. "Down In It" by Nine Inch Nails
in 1990, which even though was industrial, not techno, convinced me
that electronic music was definietly going to replace guitars. At that
time, "rave" meant Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Farm. I didnt even know
it was called "techno" when a slew of radio-friendly hits came around:
KLF, Utah Saints, Shamen. Then around 1993, techno disappeared from
radio. Techno became a dirty word since raves were stigmitaized as just
bifg drug parties. The negativity of hip hop and grunge alternative
took over. I always assumed that techno was part of a natural
progression in music and woudl also be on radio in some form but all of
the sudden it was missing. That forced me to seek out what little of
commercial techno hits were available on CD (mostly on imports) which
lead to my exposure to the bigger world of techno NOT played on the
radio.
Djw29
with regard to all the ethan vs dick (or whatever) bickering you two been
doing, how's a bout we all grow up some & agree that the prodigy are past their
best and well on the way down the token "dance" music band route...let's face
it, if the ywere ever techno, it was way back in the day when there was rave
techno...but having come & grown up from that route myself, i see now that they
are not & never were techno in its true sense........some agreement here
please......
finally, the prodigy "experience" or whatever you wanna call it, appears to be
a rollercoaster ride at the moment, therefore,we can only look forward to the
end of the ride..real techno has lasted this long an i daresay the classics
will outlive the likes of the prodigy tenfold......can anyone remember
charly????
btw..jilted generation was far an away their best...now that they make pop
music, albeit very well, i think this book should be closed...<just an opinion>
Jimmy Hutchison
Well pal,
I love prodigy and the Chem bros, ok, the reason is because they got me into
techno. Im into bigger and better things now though. I think its good that a
little mainstreaming happend, cuz if it didnt id still think nin was techno and
wouldnt listen to it. And yes the Chem Bros have a lot of talent, But Lords of
Acid are the Bomb.
Seung Kim wrote:
> I don't know why this group is so popular, especially in the MP3 sites!
> Everyone has a LONG list of MP3 files of them. I am an avid Techno music
> fan, and I think they are not that talented. I have their CD "Music for the
> Jilted generation" I think this album stinks overall. It's way too
> repetitive.
>
> Also with the Chemical Brothers. Another group that is popular. I also
> think that they are not that spectacular either.
Dix
DriedIce wrote:
>
> More like the guy who actually knows what hes talking about (Ethan) vs
> dickhead who thinks he knows what's up.
>
I wonder, have you ever been told you have a very serious attitude
problem? I guess this remark will only spawn more brainless flamage, but
you are now actually reaching the point at which you are pissing me off.
I have stated my opinions, actually without claiming to "know what's up"
as my remarks just haven't been from such a point of view. And that is
my right to do.
You on the other hand has very much tried to give the impression that
you "know what's up" without so far showing the slightest proof that you
have a clue. That might be just because you are trying to hide it, in
which case you are doing a good job. Otherwise I must say I am starting
to lose respect for you.
When I in my last posting on the thread pointed out that you had infact
not paid the least bit attention to what I had been saying, and that you
were infact flaming me for having the same opinion as you, there was a
remarkable silence from you for a while!
Untill you picked up your pointless flamage against me in a different
thread.
Now, I am starting to believe that you are posting here only because you
like to flame and annoy people who rightfully speak their mind on this
open, unmoderated newsgroup. There are many words for people like that,
but personally have always prefered the term 'blithering idiot'.
Now I hope you'll take this chance to furtherly flame me. You'd better
come up with something good to say, if you don't just want to prove my
point, of course.
DriedIce
>>>>with regard to all the ethan vs dick (or whatever) bickering you two been
doing<<<<
More like the guy who actually knows what hes talking about (Ethan) vs dickhead
who thinks he knows what's up.
>>>how's a bout we all grow up some & agree that the prodigy are past their
best<<<
That's impossible to agree on. Mostly becuase of people like me who actually
know waht the band is abound, and realize that their best is what is happening
now.
>>>real techno has lasted this long an i daresay the classics
will outlive the likes of the prodigy tenfold<<<
Um, what? Classic techno will outlive the likes of the prodigy....that's like
saying that classic rap will outlive the likes of Oasis tenfold.
>>>>can anyone remember
charly????<<<
Sure can. How could anyone forget it? CAn anyone remember Smells like Teen
Spirit???????????????????
>>>>btw..jilted generation was far an away their best<<<<
Ehhhhh...<squirms> Don't go too far.
>>>>now that they make pop
music,<<<<
Spice Girls are pop music. Hanson is pop music. How in the fuck can Breathe be
considered pop?
Let's take some time to reflect.
---
Ethan
DriedIce
>>>>Chem Bros have a lot of talent, But Lords of
Acid are the Bomb.<<<<
YOu have to admit that their newest lp Our Little Secret is just a total
crapfest.
---
Ethan
DriedIce
>>>>I wonder, have you ever been told you have a very serious attitude
problem?<<<<
ONly by people who have nothing better to say.
Oh, lookie there.
>>I guess this remark will only spawn more brainless flamage<<<
From brainless posters.
>>>you are now actually reaching the point at which you are pissing me off.<<<
I thought we were passed that point.
>>>You on the other hand has very much tried to give the impression that
you "know what's up" without so far showing the slightest proof that you
have a clue.<<<<
I'm not trying to give any such impression, I'm just trying to straighten out
people who don't know jack, yet act like they do.
>>.That might be just because you are trying to hide it, in
which case you are doing a good job.<<<
Hmm. Well, I guess I can take credit for something I haven't done.
>>>I must say I am starting
to lose respect for you.<<<
Ooooo...I'm gonna lose sleep over that one tonight.
>>>When I in my last posting on the thread pointed out that you had infact
not paid the least bit attention to what I had been saying<<<
What the hell are you talking about? I dont' remember ever reading such a post.
>>>and that you
were infact flaming me for having the same opinion as you, <<<
Sorry, but so far nobody has agreed with anything I've had to say.
>>>>there was a
remarkable silence from you for a while!<<<
Well, in case you haven't noticed, I've posted at least twice a day. I DO have
a life that doesn't include spending every second online.
>>>Untill you picked up your pointless flamage against me in a different
thread.
<<<
Now you're totaly off. I've only been posting in this and the other "Returning
To The PRodigy" thing.
>>>>Now, I am starting to believe that you are posting here only because you
like to flame and annoy people who rightfully speak their mind on this
open, unmoderated newsgroup<<<
No, I'm posting here so I can share some intelligence about this band. It's
when people act like jerks when I get annoyed.
>>>.There are many words for people like that,
but personally have always prefered the term 'blithering idiot'.
<<<
Hmm...that's good. You could have also used "poopoo head".
>>>Now I hope you'll take this chance to furtherly flame me.<<<
I flame when people ask for it.
>>>You'd better
come up with something good to say<<<
Or else what?
>>>if you don't just want to prove my
point, of course. <<<
By the way, what was your point again? You resent me becuase I know more about
this group than you do? Or becuase I'm not a loser who feels the need to curse
someone for having knowledge?
---
Ethan
THE ONE
I cant believe this freakin' "Is Prodigy techno" thread is STILL going
on!!!!!!!
It's driving me nuts and I'm threatening to create an alt.music.techno
FAQ in the hope to put an end to it.
For the record, Prodigy is part of the umbrella term "techno". The
band itself has disowned the term..perferring the synonym "electronica"
and from the sound of "Breathe", the second track off their latest CD,
the band makes use of guitar samples very differently from the
traditional chopping techno way. Furthermore, the band has a very
non-techno personality and stage performance as opposed to most techno
acts which are more comfortable behind their decks spinning than
jumping up and down.
Still, the band uses predominately eletronic samples to create a
collage of sounds, much like techno as opposed to other rock forms, and
even has a history within the techno/rave scene during its peak in
1993. This, I presume, is why Prodigy members themslves have disowned
techno since their "Charly" look was bit innocent (wimpy) compared to
their oh-Im-so-hard look now. Then again, Ive seen some of their
photos during those days and they are a bit embarassing.
In the UK, the band has been associated with the "big beat" sound which
is differentitaed from otehr techno but once again, "big beat" is part
of the larger "techno" umbrella term. Due to the recent popularity of
Prodigy with non-techno fans, the band has been disowned by many avid
techno fans due to their pathological irresistable need to hatye
everything that is perceived as mianstream.
In the real world however, the music of the Prodigy was techno before
it their CD went No.1 in the USA and will still be techno 20 years from
now when its played on some oldies but goodies show.
Nuff said.
I'd say shut the f___ up and move on to another subject, if I thought
you'd listen. But I wont kid myself so I can suggest you modify the
subject slightly by discussing the following:
1. Is Atari Teenage Riot "techno" or just punkers with samplers (like
Prodigy, eh?)?
2. How may tracks on MTV's AMP (which includes a Prodigy track mixed by
...the Chemical Brothers) are not "techno"?
3. How many Prodigy fans does it take to screw a light bulb?
4. If MTV played the Orb, Orbital, FSOL, or some other "intellectual"
techno band as much as they played Prodigy and their CD went to No.1,
would the CD almost change its internal chemical state enough so it was
no longer "techno" that given week?
peace. out.
the one
Hans Andreas Starheim
DriedIce wrote:
>
> >>>>I wonder, have you ever been told you have a very serious attitude
> problem?<<<<
>
> ONly by people who have nothing better to say.
>
> Oh, lookie there.
>
oh, how sweet a retorte. Pointless, but quite sweet, I admit.
> >>I guess this remark will only spawn more brainless flamage<<<
>
> From brainless posters.
>
Hmm... funny you should refer to yourself that way...
> >>>you are now actually reaching the point at which you are pissing me off.<<<
>
> I thought we were passed that point.
No, not really. Now you might, though. Not that it matters.
>
> >>>You on the other hand has very much tried to give the impression that
> you "know what's up" without so far showing the slightest proof that you
> have a clue.<<<<
>
> I'm not trying to give any such impression, I'm just trying to straighten out
> people who don't know jack, yet act like they do.
>
Very good. Then there seems to have been a missunderstanding, as I do
not fit under the said category (it might be I don't know jack, but I
haven't claimed otherwise. Tell me where I have)
> >>>I must say I am starting
> to lose respect for you.<<<
>
> Ooooo...I'm gonna lose sleep over that one tonight.
>
Oh no! take it easy. It wasn't a threat. Just pointing it out. I didn't
expect you to lose any sleep over it.
> >>>When I in my last posting on the thread pointed out that you had infact
> not paid the least bit attention to what I had been saying<<<
>
> What the hell are you talking about? I dont' remember ever reading such a post.
>
> >>>and that you
> were infact flaming me for having the same opinion as you, <<<
>
> Sorry, but so far nobody has agreed with anything I've had to say.
>
As I can recall, you flamed me for saying the Prodigy is techno. Soryy.
I never said the Prodigy is techno - infact what I said was the exact
opposite. But you obviously faioled to notice this in your endless
trials to come up with even more inovative flamage.
> >>>>there was a
> remarkable silence from you for a while!<<<
>
> Well, in case you haven't noticed, I've posted at least twice a day. I DO have
> a life that doesn't include spending every second online.
>
You didn't answer the post, and I call that silence.
> Now you're totaly off. I've only been posting in this and the other "Returning
> To The PRodigy" thing.
>
Though having the same name, when a thread brnches off in different
directions, we call each of these a new thread. Or at least we do so in
other newsgroups, but hey...
> >>>>Now, I am starting to believe that you are posting here only because you
> like to flame and annoy people who rightfully speak their mind on this
> open, unmoderated newsgroup<<<
>
> No, I'm posting here so I can share some intelligence about this band. It's
> when people act like jerks when I get annoyed.
>
And can you please point out to me what I have said that annoyes you?
The only thing you have mentioned before is that I have called the
Prodigy techno, which I - for the nth and last time - haven't done, so
what is then your reason for flaming me (other than general
obnoxiousness)?
> >>>.There are many words for people like that,
> but personally have always prefered the term 'blithering idiot'.
> <<<
>
> Hmm...that's good. You could have also used "poopoo head".
>
How about losing dickhead? Nahh... lacks punch...
> >>>Now I hope you'll take this chance to furtherly flame me.<<<
>
> I flame when people ask for it.
>
Coming back to the question of when... of fuck... why do I even bother!
> >>>You'd better
> come up with something good to say<<<
>
> Or else what?
>
> >>>if you don't just want to prove my
> point, of course. <<<
>
> By the way, what was your point again? You resent me becuase I know more about
> this group than you do? Or becuase I'm not a loser who feels the need to curse
> someone for having knowledge?
>
Hmm... I think saying here that you are stupid would not be a nice thing
to do, so I won't. The point I was recursivly pointing at was that you
only post because you like to flame. And right. You posted, and you
flamed. And you really didn't say anything intelligably. So my point is
proven. Thank you.
Yours sincerly (who would hope to bring this to mail if it's going to go
on any longer),
Louis Counter
THE ONE wrote:
> 3. How many Prodigy fans does it take to screw a light bulb?
I don't know, how many Prodigy fans does it take to screw in a light
bulb?
Louis Counter
coun...@boat.bt.com
www.angelfire.com/hi/BrokenDrum
It's like... tape is an expansion of your memory but you can't always
remember where your memory is! Philosophically that's very interesting,
I think.
Kraftwerk.
Lord of deXness
Louis Counter wrote:
>
> THE ONE wrote:
> > 3. How many Prodigy fans does it take to screw a light bulb?
>
> I don't know, how many Prodigy fans does it take to screw in a light
> bulb?
>
Depends on the size of the light bulb.
deX!
Louis Counter
Chico wrote:
>
> I myself am new to techno, so I won't try to pretend that I know as much
> as you people. I started listening to it this summer, when I bought
> FOTL. I became bored with Firestarter and Breathe, But I really like
> several other tracks, like Mindfields, Naryan, and SMBU. I went and
> bought The Experience today, and I also borrowed some cd's from a
> friend. Aphex Twin and a compilation cd. I don't think I've ever heard
> anything off of the two cd's.
> So that's how I'm starting out. Can anyone offer suggestions as to
> some groups I should check out? I'd really appreciate it.
Old stuff that I really like is anything by the Shamen. I got boss drum
a bit back and a mate of mine has got a best of album. It's so cool.
It may not be underground but if all you've checked out is FOTL and some
Aphex Twin you may well like it.
Louis Counter
Bart Lateur wrote:
>
> eb...@NOSPAM.netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) wrote:
>
> >>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
> >
>
> I borrowed a few CD's from the library. Eventually I even started going
> to techno parties (aka raves).
You got in to techno through borrowing stuff from the library??!?!?!?!!!
Woah, thats freaky :-o
H. West
Back in the '80s I listened to industrial, anything except bop. Early '90s
I started listening to EBM mostly. From their I got into GOA, Darkstep and
hardcore. Pretty natural progression, although I still like 'em all.
H. West
Mike Kolesnik <kole...@cwia.com> wrote in article
<34c979e0...@news.cwia.com>...
> >
> >>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
> >
> >This is a nice thread idea, actually.
>
> One night around 1 am I was wandering the vast FM wasteland known as
> Phoenix, Arizona radio when I was slam dunked into an ocean of TRANCE.
> There was this show (regretfully gone now) called "The Edge Factor"
> It was about 4 1/2 hours of almost non-stop techno. Needless to say,
> it kicked ass over anything else on the radio.
> The show was mixed by a local DJ, Markus "Sly" Shultz and it lasted
> for almost 5 years. I would tape the show on my VCR then make my
> own mixtapes of the stuff I liked. I now have a vast collection of
> FREE music. I later would go out and buy CD's of the artists that I
> really liked.
What is it in human nature that makes us spell free like some super-proper
noun.
> Mike Kolesnik
>
H. West
Chico <xd...@datasys.net> wrote in article <34C983...@datasys.net>...
> I myself am new to techno, so I won't try to pretend that I know as much
> as you people. I started listening to it this summer, when I bought
> FOTL. I became bored with Firestarter and Breathe, But I really like
> several other tracks, like Mindfields, Naryan, and SMBU. I went and
> bought The Experience today, and I also borrowed some cd's from a
> friend. Aphex Twin and a compilation cd. I don't think I've ever heard
> anything off of the two cd's.
> So that's how I'm starting out. Can anyone offer suggestions as to
> some groups I should check out? I'd really appreciate it.
Their are so many sub-genres some you definitely won't like. Here are the
main styles with some bands to match, you'd probably like GOA or EBM the
best.
[GOA] Juno Reactor (trippy electronic sounds with a fast dance beat)
[DARKSTEP] Panacea: Low Profile Darkness (cut up double speed distorted rap
beats)
[JUNGLE] Roni Size (cut up beats with soul vocals)
[EBM] Frontline Assembly: Hard Wired (hard dance with a catchy chorus and
16th note basslines)
[HARDCORE] Alec Empire: The Destroyer (fast hard beats with lots of noise)
Theirs lots more out their. Check out www.freqnet.com for some cool shows.
moda...@hq.sequel.net
Strange it may seem to other people but I got into techno while I was
assigned in Dubai four years ago.
My German friends were into this scene and I sort of got bored listening
to the same disco music. I like dancing and when I first heard the music,
I liked to dance to the beat (techno, ambient, house, trance). I'd get
invited to private techno parties, including the ones held in the middle
of the desert -- yes, with camels, tents, sand dunes -- breathtaking
sceneries. Since then, I have been to several techno scenes in Germany. I
wasn't buying the CDs myself since my then boyfriend (who has ambitions
of becoming a famous DJ)supplied me with the latest in his collections
from all over the world. He'd go to Detroit, Goa, Telaviv, London, you
name it.
Since I moved to New York, I'd been out of touch. Anyone who knows where
technogoers hang out in New York?
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Tom Ewing wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:20 -0800, Louis Counter
> <broke...@angelfire.com> wrote:
>
> >What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
>
> This is a nice thread idea, actually.
I would have to say it was a combination of two things. First, I got
into "The Art of Noise" and loved the free-form musical style. It was so
unique, the idea that any sound could be put together with others to
make great music.
The key point, though, was the release of "Pump up the Volume" by MARRS.
That was it, there was not turning back.
- Blamestorming: Sitting around in a group discussing why something
failed, and who was responsible.
Djw29
oh my dear ethan.......how foolish of me to question your obviously omnipotent
knowledge of all things tech...in fact, just of all things.....
remind us again what the prodigy are in fact "all about"?? tell me it's
something apart from making pop music if you must....oh ! that's right!! Q
readers don't like pop music, or whatever the US equivalent
is..........therefore,prodigy are not pop?? <snigger> allow to me address your
problems..."who knows what he's talking about (ethan)"...i would have thought
one so knowledgable would've been doing something worthwhile with his life,
rather defending a pop band.....
"someone who knows what the band is about"??? huh??? (see above)
i have seen the prodigy many many times..beginning back in 91/92....not always
thru choice....but i've never had a bad time at any of their gigs/raves
whatever...so where your apparently expert knowledge comes ..<shrug>
classic rap ....why won't it last longer than oasis....? who's to say?? can
YOU see into the future??
Teen spirit.....i thought that was shit too.....more cack US music made for the
money..compare this with how "dark & scary" <snort> the prodge have
become....so when is keith ( or keet as he was originally) gonna blow his head
off for a sales boost??
jilted gen..."err <squirms>..."..slugs squirm when you put salt on 'em..
pop music......by definition ..popular music=music which sells by the bucket
load
apparently the prodigy stuff is doing this now.......course, they didn't want
any of the marketing to happen did they??? please reflect on this point eh??
let's reflect...ok then..prodigy make pop music which sells lots, they ( i
admit) very good at times...others, they can be shite..like the rez's way
back...ask 'em y'self if you are "so knowledgeable.."
love & kisses
davies
davie's been here!!! watch da bombers!!
Lord of deXness
> > On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:42:20 -0800, Louis Counter
> > <broke...@angelfire.com> wrote:
> >
> > >What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
> >
Well, lessee...
I first got into synth music via Men Without Hats' "Saftey Dance" and
Depeche Mode's "People Are People". I followed my brother's musical
tastes for a while, which led me into west coast punk/funk, then got
interested in post-punk acts like The Cure and The Smiths. Around
this time I was looking for "dance" music to listen to and wasn't
ready to embrace hip-hop, so I turned to industrial dance acts like
Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly, My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult,
Severed Heads, Greater Than One, Front 242 and Ministry. I was also
beginning to embrace Eurohaus like Black Box and Snap and getting into
hiphop from Queen Latifah, A Tribe Called Quest, Public Enemy, and Eazy
E. This set the stage for two tracks to completely blow my mind:
The Shamen's "Pro-gen" and DJ Dick's "Weekend". Within a year I was
desperately into 808 State, the Prodigy, Altern8, Lords of Acid, and
LA Style. From there I became a breakbeat fiend, scrambling for
compilations which contained artists on Suburban Base, Production House,
Moving Shadow, and Profile. Then, I looped back around and started
getting into stuff by FSOL, Orbital, and the Orb, then Aphex Twin and
Squarepusher blew my mind yet again and now I'm deeper in than I've
ever been before.
And I'll bet that was more info than you all wanted. :)
(Side Note: I still love all the non-techno stuff I encountered along
the way. Variety _is_ the spice of life, etc...)
deX!
David Goodale
Bart Lateur (bart.me...@tornado.be) wrote:
: eb...@NOSPAM.netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) wrote:
: >>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
: >
: >This is a nice thread idea, actually.
For me it's easy i think to know what steered me down the techno
path. I had a compilation called rap traxx 1, and on it a track called
"Paid in Full". About halfway thru they stop rapping and play tons of
samples over beats... it's not really a techno track per say, but maybe
was techno before techno?? Well anywyas, after i hread that i loved it,
and I didn't even know techno existed, then i got into quadrophonia, 2
unlimited, hmmm... where else... picked up chris sheppards techno trip 1,
which BLEW MY MIND! (All the techno trips especially 2&3 rocked!) Well
from there it's gone off in every direction. I guess it's probably been 8
years since i've been into it now...
Dave
Da' Funk Masta!
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 08:13:49 -0500, "resin8" <res...@trellis.net>
wrote:
>If both of these groups suck so bad, then who is good?
>Repition is the nature of the music, if you dont like it, dont listen.
>Seung Kim wrote in message <6a90ku$n...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
WHAT??? Repetition is the NATURE of techno?? I don't know what
you've been listening to, but I TOTALLY disagree. I have found tons
of techno that is super packed fullo' variety.. never boring..
peace
Tim Kelly
>> >>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
" Krautrock" of the early to mid seventies -
Kraftwerk - Ralf & Florian, Autobahn
Cluster (esp. "After the Heat" with Eno)
Neu - All of it!
La Dusseldorf - All of it!
Can - (esp. Tago Mago) - perhaps not strictly proto-techno, but I always
seethem as the Godfathers of techno.
Then a lull - synth bands of the 80s were (for the most part) pretty crap!
But special mention to:
MARRS - Pump up the Volume (Kicked the whole thing back into life for me)
Shamen
Eat Static
808 State - Pacific State
tanith
Lord of deXness <djp...@bbn.com> wrote:
>
> Well, lessee...
>
> I first got into synth music
++++++++snip++++++++++++
> yet again and now I'm deeper in than I've
> ever been before.
>
> And I'll bet that was more info than you all wanted. :)
>
> (Side Note: I still love all the non-techno stuff I encountered along
> the way. Variety _is_ the spice of life, etc...)
>
> deX!
hey dex, nice to see you went almost the same way as me, and even the
conclusion is the same as i still listen to that old industrial stuff
once in a while and do not regrett anything. for me it is like techno is
about 17 years old, starting with the chris and cosy albums from that
time, techno wasn't too strange for me because i knew the sounds
already, it just got danceable.
greetings
Tanith
H. West
Da' Funk Masta! <funk...@mailcity.com> wrote in article
<34cf8cac...@news.ionet.net>...
Hardly any music, even classical, has no loops.
> peace
>
>
H. West
tanith <tan...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote in article
<199801290...@n099h049.berlin.snafu.de>...
> hey dex, nice to see you went almost the same way as me, and even the
> conclusion is the same as i still listen to that old industrial stuff
> once in a while and do not regrett anything. for me it is like techno is
> about 17 years old, starting with the chris and cosy albums from that
> time, techno wasn't too strange for me because i knew the sounds
> already, it just got danceable.
> greetings
> Tanith
Eh? And Skinny Puppy isn't danceable?
Stephen Hylton
I have moved to techno from acid-jazz. After a while I have discovered
DJ Krush and Mo'Wax. Then I have discovered Ninja Tune. My first techno
record was Orbital 2. Then, as usual, Aphex Twin.... Currently, I'm into
Autechre, Freeform...Gescom, Boards of Canada....Jega. Sometimes I do
not mind to listen to Panasonic. I have no idea what is next.
VeNJa
Cam Wilson
I got sick of classic rock, hard rock and metal after years and
years of living in that vacuum. always been a bit of a progressive
rock fan, so i got more into that for a while, but even that got stale.
some of the more interesting stuff was highly electronic, and spurred
me to try some "purer" electronic music. i also rekindled a small
interest in classical, then began exploring jazz a coupla years back.
i enjoyed/enjoy many of the styles of jazz: cool, bebop, free, avante
garde, acid, fusion, electronic, etc. the techno thing pulled me in
pretty quickly, though.... i've been missing out, man! this is great
stuff (when it's good, that is), and i'm really keen on learning
more about it. The Grid and Leftfield are current faves, but I'm
investigating lots more. The latest Download CD sounds really
cool, too. I'm aware of so many more artists, but just need to
check out their music.... FSOL, Aphex Twin, Autechre, etc.
--
Cam Wilson * camwN...@nortel.ca delete capital letters
"Art as expression, not as market campaigns" - Rush
Me = Artist * Illustrator * Graphic Designer * Music Fan
H. West
Cam Wilson <"camwNOSPAM"@nortel.ca delete capital letters> wrote in
article <6aqiih$s...@bmerhc5e.bnr.ca>...
> I got sick of classic rock, hard rock and metal after years and
> years of living in that vacuum. always been a bit of a progressive
> rock fan, so i got more into that for a while, but even that got stale.
> some of the more interesting stuff was highly electronic, and spurred
> me to try some "purer" electronic music. i also rekindled a small
> interest in classical, then began exploring jazz a coupla years back.
> i enjoyed/enjoy many of the styles of jazz: cool, bebop, free, avante
> garde, acid, fusion, electronic, etc. the techno thing pulled me in
> pretty quickly, though.... i've been missing out, man! this is great
> stuff (when it's good, that is), and i'm really keen on learning
> more about it. The Grid and Leftfield are current faves, but I'm
> investigating lots more. The latest Download CD sounds really
> cool, too.
Yes, it was very cool. It's more on the EBM/IDM side of things though.
Jessica
Well I started listening to that dance industrial stuff about 10 years
ago (you know like Front 242 and the like) and kept up liking electronic
dance music (and liking industrial music less and less), so when I
started to hear techno stuff I got into it.
--
Jes
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On 27 Jan 1998 21:39:39 GMT, ai...@freenet.hamilton.on.ca (David
Goodale) wrote:
>Bart Lateur (bart.me...@tornado.be) wrote:
>: eb...@NOSPAM.netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) wrote:
>
>: >>What did you start listening to that got you into techno?
>: >
>: >This is a nice thread idea, actually.
>
> For me it's easy i think to know what steered me down the techno
>path. I had a compilation called rap traxx 1, and on it a track called
>"Paid in Full". About halfway thru they stop rapping and play tons of
>samples over beats... it's not really a techno track per say, but maybe
>was techno before techno??
Coldcut's 'Paid In Full' mix - the progenitor to MARRS, and damn if
it's not a wonderful piece of music in its own right. It's not techno,
no - it's still very much cut-and-paste hip-hop in the Steinski
tradition...but it was one of those records which started things
moving for a lot of people over here. Comes with the highest
recommendation, if by some mischance you don't already own it.
Cheers,
Tom.
Cam Wilson
H. West wrote:
> > investigating lots more. The latest Download CD sounds really
> > cool, too.
>
> Yes, it was very cool. It's more on the EBM/IDM side of things though.
Sorry, I have no idea what "EBM/IDM" refers to.... could you
enlighten me? I'm still relatively new to all this. But I learn!
Thanks...
Stephen Reed
Some of you folks say that 2 unlimited is garbage... but I admit that it
was them that got me into techno.... Of course they are not really
techno, they were popular, and proved to be a gateway to the real shit.
Then back in '95 I went to an underground event and had my first listen
of acid.... the rest is history...
BTW, it takes a while to get into techno. I understand there are no
real charts of what is popular, it seems like its cool to dig
something because its not popular....and if there is any sort of chart,
its from store to store (and these vary greatly)
this is my experience in getting into techno... its great to see what
influenced others into this genre. Of course, we can't forget KRAFTWERK
and NEW ORDER. But, thats a whole story altogether...
tanith
H. West <g...@guy.com> wrote:
> Eh? And Skinny Puppy isn't danceable?
sure it WAS, but it was not really dancemusic, except tracks like dig
it, but most of the stuff was more atmospheric even when it had beats.
but compared with todays stuff or i can't really call it danceable.
greetings
Tanith
Lord of deXness
Cam Wilson wrote:
>
> H. West wrote:
>
> > > investigating lots more. The latest Download CD sounds really
> > > cool, too.
> >
> > Yes, it was very cool. It's more on the EBM/IDM side of things
> > though.
>
> Sorry, I have no idea what "EBM/IDM" refers to.... could you
> enlighten me? I'm still relatively new to all this. But I learn!
>
EBM/IDM = Electronic Body Music/Industrial Dance Music
Examples of EBM include Front 242, A Split Second, Posie Noire, and
other European synth acts which are harder-edged than synth-pop but
not as menacing or strange-sounding as industrial.
Examples of IDM include Front Line Assembly, pre-_Rabies_ Skinny Puppy,
some Severed Heads, pre-_Sexsplosion!_ My Life With The Thrill Kill
Kult, and pre-guitar Ministry.
The distinction between the two is somewhat arbitrary.
deX!
H. West
Cam Wilson <"camwNOSPAM"@nortel.ca delete capital letters> wrote in
article <6asm5l$t...@bmerhc5e.bnr.ca>...
> H. West wrote:
>
> > > investigating lots more. The latest Download CD sounds really
> > > cool, too.
> >
> > Yes, it was very cool. It's more on the EBM/IDM side of things though.
>
> Sorry, I have no idea what "EBM/IDM" refers to.... could you
> enlighten me? I'm still relatively new to all this. But I learn!
EBM is modern Frontline Assembly or Wumpscut, IDM is the same except more
mellow. And technically it's industrial, not techno.
H. West
> H. West <g...@guy.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Eh? And Skinny Puppy isn't danceable?
>
> sure it WAS, but it was not really dancemusic, except tracks like dig
> it, but most of the stuff was more atmospheric even when it had beats.
Depends which album, older stuff was though.
> but compared with todays stuff or i can't really call it danceable.
> greetings
> Tanith
Well what about Front 242 or Nitzer Ebb then?
Par-Salian
Lord of deXness wrote:
> Cam Wilson wrote:
> > H. West wrote:
> > > > investigating lots more. The latest Download CD sounds really
> > > > cool, too.
> > >
> > > Yes, it was very cool. It's more on the EBM/IDM side of things
> > > though.
> >
> > Sorry, I have no idea what "EBM/IDM" refers to.... could you
> > enlighten me? I'm still relatively new to all this. But I learn!
> >
>
> EBM/IDM = Electronic Body Music/Industrial Dance Music
You missed on this one... EBM is indeed referred to as Electronic Body
Music (personally I just put most electro industrial into a carpet term
of electro for conveinence), but IDM lately has been used to refer to
Intelligent Dance Music; music that's beat structured, but meant first
for listening, and second for dancing (if it's even danceable, which
some of it isn't). Examples of artists producing this type of music are
Aphex Twin (older stuff), Speedy J, Orbital (in my opinion), new
Haujobb, and as the original poster stated, the new Download album
("III") is basically an IDM release..
-Par <p...@cloud9.net>
np: Evil's Toy - XTC Implant - "Vanished Soul"
al...@earthlink.net
> Any other stories?
>
> Cheers,
> Tom.
In 1992 I ran away from home over a girl. That night I heard a remarkable
performance on the radio by Moby in a Sacramento nightclub playing "Go",
"Next is the E" etc. Following that the local DJ mixed up a cool set of
techno, dance, miami style- the whole thing I captured on cassette.
Versus all the technoish compilations in my music collection, that tape
still moves me.
Later I found out my sister DJ'ed large house raves while she was in
college 0 and never invited me. I suffered Heavy Metal burnout all that
time!
I'm trying to get into the new stuff because the mid 90's techno was a bit
boring. I like Prodigy because they sound early 90's.
H. West
Lord of deXness <djp...@bbn.com> wrote in article <34D25...@bbn.com>...
> Cam Wilson wrote:
> >
> > H. West wrote:
> >
> > > > investigating lots more. The latest Download CD sounds really
> > > > cool, too.
> > >
> > > Yes, it was very cool. It's more on the EBM/IDM side of things
> > > though.
> >
> > Sorry, I have no idea what "EBM/IDM" refers to.... could you
> > enlighten me? I'm still relatively new to all this. But I learn!
> >
>
> EBM/IDM = Electronic Body Music/Industrial Dance Music
>
> Examples of EBM include Front 242, A Split Second, Posie Noire, and
> other European synth acts which are harder-edged than synth-pop but
> not as menacing or strange-sounding as industrial.
Some have very clean sounds, but many use extremely distorted vocals and
samples, IE Wumpscut, Velvet Acid Christ, Funker Vogt, Dive.
> Examples of IDM include Front Line Assembly, pre-_Rabies_ Skinny Puppy,
> some Severed Heads, pre-_Sexsplosion!_ My Life With The Thrill Kill
> Kult, and pre-guitar Ministry.
FLA and Skinny Puppy are EBM, and early Ministry is synthpop. IDM (the
industrial one, not intelligent) is more like Forma Tadre and Haujobb.
Bart Lateur
"H. West" <g...@guy.com> wrote:
>tanith <tan...@berlin.snafu.de> wrote
>>techno wasn't too strange for me because i knew the sounds
>> already, it just got danceable.
>Eh? And Skinny Puppy isn't danceable?
Oh no, not that same discussion again please! :-)
Let's say it this way: the accent has shifted towards danceability. That
aspect wasn't important for Skinny Puppy, but it's really important for
techno.
Bart.
Da' Funk Masta!
didn't say NONE. just said few. use of a loop doesn't constitute
repetitiveness. it is how one uses the loop to the advantage or
disadvantage of the song.
Da' Funk Masta!
On Fri, 23 Jan 1998 19:59:35 GMT, Lord of deXness <djp...@bbn.com>
wrote:
>Cool Cat w wrote:
>>
>> Why is Prodigy so popular? I'm guessing its because they take a popular style
>> of music(rock) and mix it with the new trend(techno). I personaly dont thinks
>> it works out well.
>
>It works out all right. The problem is that others are doing it much
>better than they are (see Supersonic, Chemical Brothers, Headrillaz,
>Bentley Rhythm Ace, Lionrock). The Prodigy reigned supreme in the
>heyday of breakbeat, but they can't seem to find the same niche in
>the current big beat market. (Not that the drop of their music's
>quality has affected their popularity...)
>
>It should be noted that I still like the Prodigy. However, I'm no
>longer fanatical about them.
>
>deX!
hmmm.. breakbeat had a heyday? Where was I? Last time I checked
bands like matchbox 20 were popular. As far as I can tell, techno
music in general has never had a heyday.. and I really don't see this
new "electronica" (make me gag with that stupid genre label) thing
going anywhere. Funked up-hard ass-crazy-psychedelic-breakbeat will
stay underground. The "normal" people out there who buy into MTV and
commercial bullshit like that cannot handle it. For one thing a
really good breakbeat song will teease the listener with gentle
buildups that fade out and do this again and again building a theme,
winding up funky beats like a steel spring, and then after some time
building up one last time and breaking it all back down again.. this
could take a good seven or eight minutes. In order for something to
become pop music, it must be under 4 minuties. Most of society's
attention span is too short. Furthermore, good techno is not unlike a
fine wine. Appreciation for it developes over years and years of
sampling different varieties. And when listening, you must not rush
it.. be patient and savour each beat, each 303 acid effect.. every bit
of it.I personally don't consider prodigy techno anymore. They are
more like Alterno-Punk-Rock-No.. Or something like that..
peace
Da' Funk Masta!
On 26 Jan 1998 10:20:10 GMT, ja...@ix.netcom.com(THE ONE) wrote:
>I cant believe this freakin' "Is Prodigy techno" thread is STILL going
>on!!!!!!!
>
>It's driving me nuts and I'm threatening to create an alt.music.techno
>FAQ in the hope to put an end to it.
>
>For the record, Prodigy is part of the umbrella term "techno". The
>band itself has disowned the term..perferring the synonym "electronica"
>and from the sound of "Breathe", the second track off their latest CD,
>the band makes use of guitar samples very differently from the
>traditional chopping techno way. Furthermore, the band has a very
>non-techno personality and stage performance as opposed to most techno
>acts which are more comfortable behind their decks spinning than
>jumping up and down.
>
I feel that behind the decks is where musicians belong anyway. Or
behind their instruments. Over the past 200 years there has been a
slow movement away from the appreciaition of the music in its pure
form. In the begining, there was baroque peices many of which where
created by completely unknown people who did it just for music's sake.
As years rolled by, and global communications emerged, namely the
television, the idea of the music video inevitably came into play. A
serious stab in the back of the living organism called music. Now we
see flaming asswipes like Keith Flint who can no longer stand to
simply make music but must pollute it with their ugly faces parading
across the conciousness of America. Music is now thoroughly fused
with image, so much infact that if a group that has otherwise truely
creative music makes a truely shitty video, it can kill their climb up
the musical ladder. And many people not only want their music they
want the rebellious image that comes with it (for instance) or
whatever image the pencil necked executives decide to package with it.
I think that is alot of what people don't realize is how marketed most
of these pop bands/groups are. There are executives that sit behind
desks who recommend certain BEHAVIOUR to their groups. Fasion
designers recommend what a band should wear on tour. Make up artists
handle visual effects on the artists themselves. And all those photos
of these groups you see in Rolling stone? Just sit back and look at
the picture, and then think of the ten or so other pictures that are
similar to this one that were also shot. As in, the producers took a
ton of photos during a shoot, then chose the one that was the best.
Ie. would give the best IMAGE to the braindead public.
My point is that true, raw, untainted reality is gone from music for
the most part. Now, in order for me to find it, i must wait until 2
or three in the moring, drive downtown to a small back alley where a
tiny club i know is located. inside you can find people we call Dj's
spinning raw music, hot and fresh. No thrills or frills just the
music in it's purest form. The rave, the all night party. How
refreshing it is. After being stuck in this mundane world of people
who can no more think for themselves than tie their own shoes.
I see hard, agressive, grab-you-by-the-balls-and fry your brain with
wicked acid riffs-TECHNO to be the pinnacle of musical evolution.
There is none higher!!
peace peeps
Da' Funk Masta!
On 25 Jan 1998 21:39:25 GMT, dj...@aol.com (Djw29) wrote:
>with regard to all the ethan vs dick (or whatever) bickering you two been
>doing, how's a bout we all grow up some & agree that the prodigy are past their
>best and well on the way down the token "dance" music band route...let's face
>it, if the ywere ever techno, it was way back in the day when there was rave
>techno...but having come & grown up from that route myself, i see now that they
>are not & never were techno in its true sense........some agreement here
>please......
>finally, the prodigy "experience" or whatever you wanna call it, appears to be
>a rollercoaster ride at the moment, therefore,we can only look forward to the
>end of the ride..real techno has lasted this long an i daresay the classics
>will outlive the likes of the prodigy tenfold......can anyone remember
>charly????
>btw..jilted generation was far an away their best...now that they make pop
>music, albeit very well, i think this book should be closed...<just an opinion>
>
I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
new stuff has fucking guitars in it. As a diehard techno freak, I
hate guitars. They are much too limiting. Ya can't tweeek them or
prog. them or loop them or anything..
oh well..
peace
Tom Ewing
>commercial bullshit like that cannot handle it. For one thing a
>really good breakbeat song will teease the listener with gentle
>buildups that fade out and do this again and again building a theme,
>winding up funky beats like a steel spring, and then after some time
>building up one last time and breaking it all back down again.. this
>could take a good seven or eight minutes. In order for something to
>become pop music, it must be under 4 minuties.
Tell that to 'Bohemian Rhapsody'. Anyway, most of my favourite
breakbeat tracks - from the 'heyday' Dex was referring to - are around
the 4-5 minute mark, and I'm not sure where you got this notion of
'gentle' buildups from: while there's a lot more subtlety in them than
most people credited at the time, the best breakbeat tracks from that
period are one hundred percent rush from start to finish. I liked the
steel spring metaphor, though.
> Most of society's
>attention span is too short. Furthermore, good techno is not unlike a
>fine wine. Appreciation for it developes over years and years of
>sampling different varieties.
This, though, is complete nonsense. Almost everyone I know who is into
techno got into it straight away - bang! - when they were exposed to
it. None of this humbly sampling different varieties. This
conservatory attitude afflicts all genres of music and leads to boring
records.
> And when listening, you must not rush
>it.. be patient and savour each beat, each 303 acid effect.. every bit
>of it.
Or you could, of course, dance to the stuff.
Cheers,
Tom.
Alex Cavaye
In article <34D26192...@cloud9.net>, Par-Salian <p...@cloud9.net> wrote:
>You missed on this one... EBM is indeed referred to as Electronic Body
>Music (personally I just put most electro industrial into a carpet term
>of electro for conveinence), but IDM lately has been used to refer to
>Intelligent Dance Music; music that's beat structured, but meant first
>for listening, and second for dancing (if it's even danceable, which
>some of it isn't). Examples of artists producing this type of music are
>Aphex Twin (older stuff), Speedy J, Orbital (in my opinion), new
>Haujobb, and as the original poster stated, the new Download album
>("III") is basically an IDM release..
>
supposed "stupid" dance music can be just as "intelligent" as stuff which is
designed to be intelligent and stuff which is designed to be "intelligent" can
often get way too pretentious and, well, "stupid".
I think labelling any kind of music "intelligent" or "not intelligent" is not
particularly clear. Everyone has their own opinion of what's what. For
example i consider alot of psytrance to be purely dancefloor material. But
some people consider it to be "intelligent" listen-to-at-home stuff. That's
their perogative.
On top of that "intelligent" music fans are often particularly elitist, as are
"not-intelligent" music fans... Why can't everyone just accept everything for
what it is? Why even provoke the argument? Why not say Orbital is melodic
trance (which most people prefer to listen to at home) and the Kosmic Kommando
is melodic acid (which most people prefer to dance to) or whatever?
Alex
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Par-Salian
Da' Funk Masta! wrote:
> I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
> new stuff has fucking guitars in it. As a diehard techno freak, I
> hate guitars. They are much too limiting. Ya can't tweeek them or
> prog. them or loop them or anything..
Didn't "Their Law" (I think that's the track with PWEI) have guitar on
it though?
-Par <p...@cloud9.net>
np: Aqualite - Aquaplant - "Analog Education"
Chris Saunderson
funk...@mailcity.com (Da' Funk Masta!) writes:
> I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
> new stuff has fucking guitars in it. As a diehard techno freak, I
> hate guitars. They are much too limiting. Ya can't tweeek them or
> prog. them or loop them or anything..
uhm, you need the instrument to make the original sample.
I have absolutely NO problem with "techno" introducing "live"
musicians into their repetoire. The Orb have added live drum
and bass, and the last Prodigy gig I went to had a live drummer
and a live guitarist. It _really_ added to the whole effect, rather
than detracting from it.
(FWIW, "Their Law" off of "Jilted Generation" has a major riff in
it. Does that invalidate what you say?)
Saundo
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Patrick Roessler
my story *might* be quite interesting (or not?).
as i'm 22 years old you can't expect that i'm in electronic music for the
last 20 years ...
I was into hiphop down in the late 80's early 90's, my only problem was,
that it is not really danceable for me. i liked the music i liked the
lyrics, but dancin ... no.
when i heard eurodance (or techno as it was called by everybody) for the
first time about 6 years ago it made me dance. (i would consider
it as crap today). but listening to it for a few months it got
boring (it's always a woman who sings a catchy melody,
and a man who "raps"). so my musical interest moved to rave (westbam,
hooligan ...). Since then it's getting slower and more minimal. And it's
getting more diversity i.e. I'm not only listening to techno but also to dub
or earlier electronics...
you can say i made my way to techno "the other way round". I got from techno
to it's roots. Today I like old Kraftwerk, Yello, Jean Michel Jarre and so
on. But also modern Techno.
In other words, i'm open for all kinds of electronic music as far it is no
sellout ...
cu
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Louis Counter
Par-Salian wrote:
> You missed on this one... EBM is indeed referred to as Electronic Body
> Music (personally I just put most electro industrial into a carpet term
> of electro for conveinence), but IDM lately has been used to refer to
> Intelligent Dance Music; music that's beat structured, but meant first
> for listening, and second for dancing (if it's even danceable, which
> some of it isn't). Examples of artists producing this type of music are
> Aphex Twin (older stuff), Speedy J, Orbital (in my opinion), new
> Haujobb, and as the original poster stated, the new Download album
> ("III") is basically an IDM release..
Can anybody else see the irony of Intelligent Dance Music that you cant
dance to? I like the music but the concept just cracks me up.
Louis Counter
coun...@boat.bt.com
www.angelfire.com/hi/BrokenDrum
It's like... tape is an expansion of your memory but you can't always
remember where your memory is! Philosophically that's very interesting,
I think.
Kraftwerk.
Alex Cavaye
In article <34d426cd...@news.ionet.net>, funk...@mailcity.com (Da' Funk Masta!) wrote:
>I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
No it wasn't. Take a listen to "Voodoo People" for a second. Or "Their Law".
Or what about all the vocals? Not very "synthetic" methinks...
>new stuff has fucking guitars in it. As a diehard techno freak, I
>hate guitars. They are much too limiting. Ya can't tweeek them or
>prog. them or loop them or anything..
>
Wrong matey... Tweaking guitars? I bet ANY guitarist tweaks his guitar more
than any 303 acid tweaker. Why? Well apart from the tone controller and the
pick-up selector on the guitar itself there's the EQ (high/low/mid/mid freq),
plus distortion in their footpedal or amp (dist level/dist tone), and don't
forget the sustain and compression pedals.
And i haven't even *started* about the multiple "real" effects units you can
use. Phaser, flanger, delay, fuzz, reverb, wah-wah, talkbox, envelope
follower, envelope generator, ring modulator.... Guitarists use at least as
many tweakable effects as techno artists, the difference is that they leave
them on one setting rather than play with them realtime, because they're too
busy playing the actual guitar. Having said that effects like a wah-wah pedal
and talkbox can be controlled realtime with the foot or mouth respectively for
pretty cool "tweaking" sounds.
Guitars can't be looped? Ever heard of a "riff"? No? Perhaps you don't know
what the fuck you're talking about?
Incidentally i'm a diehard techno freak too. But i don't close my mind to
other instruments. There is alot of creativity that can be squeezed out of
instruments like the guitar. There is also alot of NON-creativity coming from
artists with studios full of synths.
Combining the two is a very good idea, and one which hasn't been explored all
*that* much in the history of techno OR rock. Unfortunately the Prodigy's
efforts are pretty woeful, but at least they're giving it a shot. At least
their mind isn't closed to it.
Maybe if you opened YOUR mind you would catch some really great music.
Louis Counter
Alex Cavaye wrote:
>
> In article <34d426cd...@news.ionet.net>, funk...@mailcity.com (Da' Funk Masta!) wrote:
> >I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
> >hate guitars. They are much too limiting. Ya can't tweeek them or
> >prog. them or loop them or anything..
Ever heard any System7 stuff? The quantities of guitar on the
recordings is incredible, if you know what you're listening for you'll
spot guitars being used inteligently and very subtly.
Since when has using any instrument been limiting? Not allowing the use
of an instrument is limiting, using an instrument isn't limiting (it's
only limiting if you approach it with preconcieved ideas). If guitars
are limiting then a 303 is even more limiting, you have less (not more)
control of your sound, less notes to start with (3 octaves instead of
5), no inbuilt reverb, no inbuilt pitchbend, the list goes on. If you
can get a great sound out of an instrument then you can sample it and
mangle it or run it live through effects.
The new Goldie album has guitar on it (Dragonfly, great track) does that
mean that he is dramatically limited some how?
Alex, alright already I like the 303 sound :-)
Lord of deXness
Louis Counter wrote:
>
> Par-Salian wrote:
>
> > You missed on this one... EBM is indeed referred to as Electronic
> > Body Music (personally I just put most electro industrial into a
> > carpet term of electro for conveinence), but IDM lately has been
> > used to refer to Intelligent Dance Music; music that's beat
> > structured, but meant first for listening, and second for dancing
> > (if it's even danceable, which some of it isn't). Examples of
> > artists producing this type of music are Aphex Twin (older stuff),
> > Speedy J, Orbital (in my opinion), new Haujobb, and as the original
> > poster stated, the new Download album ("III") is basically an IDM
> > release..
>
> Can anybody else see the irony of Intelligent Dance Music that you
> cant dance to? I like the music but the concept just cracks me up.
>
Oh yes. :)
In all honesty, I've spent much of the past 3 years ignoring the term
"Intelligent Dance Music", so it never occured to me that that might
be what the poster was referring to. Add to that the fact that Download
came from the remains of Skinny Puppy and you'll see why I assumed IDM
meant "Industrial Dance Music".
Different strokes and all that.
deX!
Dave
Louis Counter wrote:
>
> Alex Cavaye wrote:
> >
> > In article <34d426cd...@news.ionet.net>, funk...@mailcity.com (Da' Funk Masta!) wrote:
> > >I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
the like are quite blatant during jilted. oh, i seem to remember reading
that voodoo people was the first (only?) track liam has written using no
synths, only 'real-life' samples. (obviously screwed around with to
create all the cool noises.)
> > >new stuff has fucking guitars in it. As a diehard techno freak, I
> > >hate guitars. They are much too limiting. Ya can't tweeek them or
> > >prog. them or loop them or anything..
>
apart from what alex said about guitar fx, it's also (obviously)
possible to sample guitars and mess about with them like any other
sound, to create limitless output.
>
> The new Goldie album has guitar on it (Dragonfly, great track) does that
> mean that he is dramatically limited some how?
indeed no. his first album (timeless) used guitars as well, for some
brilliant stuff like 'sea of tears'. the new album also makes brilliant,
subtle uses of guitars. ('temper temper', the track with noel g on
guitar, doesn't appeal that much to me. nasty noisy guitar. and possible
ingrained hatred of all things oasis...) 'dragonfly' is indeed a
fantastic track - absolutely lovely. 10 seconds in, and i was on the
point of tears.
--
dave
saturnz return - good album - buy it.
Peter Thomas
Dave <xz...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> > >I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
>alex already said that this isn't true, and i'd think that guitars and
>the like are quite blatant during jilted. oh, i seem to remember reading
>that voodoo people was the first (only?) track liam has written using no
>synths, only 'real-life' samples. (obviously screwed around with to
>create all the cool noises.)
We Are The Ruffest was probably the first Prodigy track to blatently
use a 'real instrument'. In this case, a banjo (!). Find it on the
B-side of Wind It Up.
(I hope that shuts up the snobby elitist)
--
From alt.music.prodigy-the
Eduardo Sousa
Louis Counter wrote in message <34D7B0...@angelfire.com>...
>Alex Cavaye wrote:
>>
>> In article <34d426cd...@news.ionet.net>, funk...@mailcity.com (Da'
Funk Masta!) wrote:
>> >I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
>> >new stuff has fucking guitars in it. As a diehard techno freak, I
>> >hate guitars. They are much too limiting. Ya can't tweeek them or
>> >prog. them or loop them or anything..
>
>Ever heard any System7 stuff? The quantities of guitar on the
>recordings is incredible, if you know what you're listening for you'll
>spot guitars being used inteligently and very subtly.
>
and what about 70's german band Can, they actually did something very
similar to techno / trance with the normal guitar / bass / drums setup...
>
>The new Goldie album has guitar on it (Dragonfly, great track) does that
>mean that he is dramatically limited some how?
>
And "Temper Temper" ? It rules... I hate Oasis but Noel Gallagher is the man
when it comes to guitar...
"... now you had yor fun
you don't have to worry
what's done is done
temper temper now now..."
Dave
Peter Thomas wrote:
>
> Dave <xz...@geocities.com> wrote:
>
> >> > >I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
> >the like are quite blatant during jilted. oh, i seem to remember reading
> >that voodoo people was the first (only?) track liam has written using no
> >synths, only 'real-life' samples. (obviously screwed around with to
> >create all the cool noises.)
>
> We Are The Ruffest was probably the first Prodigy track to blatently
> use a 'real instrument'. In this case, a banjo (!). Find it on the
> B-side of Wind It Up.
synths?
> (I hope that shuts up the snobby elitist)
uh, me? :)
--
dave
elloby sneetist
H. West
Lord of deXness <djp...@bbn.com> wrote in article
<34D740...@bbn.com>...
> Louis Counter wrote:
> Oh yes. :)
>
> In all honesty, I've spent much of the past 3 years ignoring the term
> "Intelligent Dance Music", so it never occured to me that that might
> be what the poster was referring to. Add to that the fact that Download
> came from the remains of Skinny Puppy and you'll see why I assumed IDM
> meant "Industrial Dance Music".
IndustrialDM is a sub-genre of electro-industrial, IntelligentDM is a term
that includes bands already identified by other genres, pretty silly if you
ask me. And Download is IndustrialDM, as are Haujobb and Forme Tadre.
H. West
Alex Cavaye <st...@dds.nl> wrote in article <6b7blu$h...@news.usq.edu.au>...
> >hate guitars. They are much too limiting. Ya can't tweeek them or
> >prog. them or loop them or anything..
Ever hear the Godflesh track Unworthy? Believe it or not, those are all
guitars, try making noises like that with any synthesizer.
tanith
H. West <g...@guy.com> wrote:
>
> Well what about Front 242 or Nitzer Ebb then?
well, yes, parts of it was danceable or purposedly made for dancing, but
again, compared with todays standards it was a rather dull dancing, more
marching ;-)
greetings
Tanith
Andrew Hime
On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, Peter Thomas wrote:
> Dave <xz...@geocities.com> wrote:
> >> > >I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
> >alex already said that this isn't true, and i'd think that guitars and
> >the like are quite blatant during jilted. oh, i seem to remember reading
> >that voodoo people was the first (only?) track liam has written using no
> >synths, only 'real-life' samples. (obviously screwed around with to
> >create all the cool noises.)
>
> We Are The Ruffest was probably the first Prodigy track to blatently
> use a 'real instrument'. In this case, a banjo (!). Find it on the
> B-side of Wind It Up.
Listen, as much as I do respect your opinion, you are SO wrong. There is
no way that's a real banjo, it sounds way too fake. It sounds way too much
like a cheesy keyboard patch to be an actual sample. Unless you have some
sort of a cite to back this up, I'm just gonna have to say no.
As it is, I needed a good excuse to break out a GOOD Prodigy tune, but my
mind was already messed up by my roommate playing me a Naked City cover of
some TV theme song (he claims it's a "spy show") and refusing to tell me
what it is though it's on the tip of my brain. So I'm listening to Mogwai
now to mellow out a little.
"We Are The Ruffest" is definitely one of my favorite Prodigy songs,
though.
Peter Thomas
Dave <xz...@geocities.com> wrote:
>> >> > >I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
>> >alex already said that this isn't true, and i'd think that guitars and
>> >the like are quite blatant during jilted. oh, i seem to remember reading
>> >that voodoo people was the first (only?) track liam has written using no
>> >synths, only 'real-life' samples. (obviously screwed around with to
>> >create all the cool noises.)
>> We Are The Ruffest was probably the first Prodigy track to blatently
>> use a 'real instrument'. In this case, a banjo (!). Find it on the
>> B-side of Wind It Up.
>banjo? cool. anyway, am i right about vp being the only track not to use
>synths?
I think so. The first Prodigy book says so.
>> (I hope that shuts up the snobby elitist)
>uh, me? :)
Hmmm... more like the close-minded 100%-techno idiot up there.
Come to think of it, Dave, you hate the wonderful Placebo, so I'm
gonna tar you with that brush as well! ;-)
--
From alt.music.prodigy-the
Peter Thomas
Andrew Hime <hi...@kali.wf.net> wrote:
>> >> > >I agree 100%. Jilted Generation was actually all synthetic. Their
>> >alex already said that this isn't true, and i'd think that guitars and
>> >the like are quite blatant during jilted. oh, i seem to remember reading
>> >that voodoo people was the first (only?) track liam has written using no
>> >synths, only 'real-life' samples. (obviously screwed around with to
>> >create all the cool noises.)
>> We Are The Ruffest was probably the first Prodigy track to blatently
>> use a 'real instrument'. In this case, a banjo (!). Find it on the
>> B-side of Wind It Up.
>Listen, as much as I do respect your opinion, you are SO wrong. There is
>no way that's a real banjo, it sounds way too fake. It sounds way too much
>like a cheesy keyboard patch to be an actual sample. Unless you have some
>sort of a cite to back this up, I'm just gonna have to say no.
Liam Howlett, Page 11, of Wax Magazine Issue 8 (November 97 date)
(Would you like some salt with that hat?)
--
From alt.music.prodigy-the
stanko...@hotmail.com
>
> > In article <34d426cd...@news.ionet.net>, funk...@mailcity.com (Da'
> Funk Masta!)
> > >new stuff has fucking guitars in it. As a diehard techno freak, I
> > >hate guitars. They are much too limiting. Ya can't tweeek them or
> > >prog. them or loop them or anything..
why not? i do. i really don't think i'm the first guitar player
to do this kind of thing. limiting? hardly. i think you know
extremely little about guitars.
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