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Peter Pan

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Nov 22, 2007, 9:43:37 PM11/22/07
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I'm currently using a GR 20 guitar synth with my band. The draw back to this
unit is when I need to change from one patch to the next or back to the
guitar , I have to use the switch on the Pick up. This some times causes a
less then smooth transition. Some of the earlier GR models have floor pedals
that you pre-program for faster/ smoother switching.
My question is this: Would a Foot Control board such as the FC 7 work for
changes I need?
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Mr. Strat

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Nov 23, 2007, 12:19:44 PM11/23/07
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In article <QuednZHFe4TDo9va...@comcast.com>, Peter Pan
<Pe...@neverland.net> wrote:

> I'm currently using a GR 20 guitar synth with my band. The draw back to this
> unit is when I need to change from one patch to the next or back to the
> guitar , I have to use the switch on the Pick up. This some times causes a
> less then smooth transition. Some of the earlier GR models have floor pedals
> that you pre-program for faster/ smoother switching.
> My question is this: Would a Foot Control board such as the FC 7 work for
> changes I need?

I assume you're talking about how the sound you're playing cuts off
when you switch to a different one. I don't know of any way around that
- it's just the way the unit is built. And yes, it is a bit clunky to
flick the switch from guitar to synth or whatever. Generally, whatever
sound I start with is going to be it for the whole song, but that's
just me.

Peter Pan

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Nov 23, 2007, 3:09:45 PM11/23/07
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> I assume you're talking about how the sound you're playing cuts off
> when you switch to a different one. I don't know of any way around that
> - it's just the way the unit is built. And yes, it is a bit clunky to
> flick the switch from guitar to synth or whatever. Generally, whatever
> sound I start with is going to be it for the whole song, but that's
> just me.

What I am talking about is a faster way to change for one bank to the next
or from a bank to the guitar, without using my hands (without using the
slector switch on the pickup). A foot controler is what I'd like to use, its
built into the older GR 33. I'm wondering if I bought a MIDI foot controler,
would this work?


Mr. Strat

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Nov 23, 2007, 4:28:49 PM11/23/07
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In article <ksmdnQNzrbEUrtra...@comcast.com>, Peter Pan
<Pe...@neverland.net> wrote:

> What I am talking about is a faster way to change for one bank to the next
> or from a bank to the guitar, without using my hands (without using the
> slector switch on the pickup). A foot controler is what I'd like to use, its
> built into the older GR 33. I'm wondering if I bought a MIDI foot controler,
> would this work?

Don't know about that. Never used a GR-33, but am considering getting
one now that I've become a bit more proficient with the GR-20. Have you
tried e-mailing Roland to see what they have to say?

Peter Pan

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Nov 23, 2007, 4:54:38 PM11/23/07
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"Mr. Strat" <r...@nospam.techline.com> wrote in message
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I was at Sam Ash today asking them about the floor controler... they were
clueless.. I did learn that when Roland made the GR 20, they cut corners,
trying to make the guitar synth more affordable, hence, they removed the
pedal board.


Mr. Strat

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Nov 23, 2007, 7:36:58 PM11/23/07
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In article <ztydnXQAOY6D0dra...@comcast.com>, Peter Pan
<Pe...@neverland.net> wrote:

> I was at Sam Ash today asking them about the floor controler... they were
> clueless.. I did learn that when Roland made the GR 20, they cut corners,
> trying to make the guitar synth more affordable, hence, they removed the
> pedal board.

Oh yeah...they simplified it from the GR-33 for which you pay a price
in versatility. I still think the sounds are great and it's been
relatively painless to adapt.

KennyB

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Jan 8, 2008, 9:38:30 PM1/8/08
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On Thu, 22 Nov 2007 21:43:37 -0500, "Peter Pan" <Pe...@neverland.net>
wrote:

I have a GR-20, have the same complaints many have, and dislike Roland
very much because they forced this piece of crap on us. Sure, it has
good sounds but they took away valuable programming that only costs a
few pennies to keep. Pros will spend the money. I can't believe all
the rave reviews the GR-20 got - they all must work for Roland, or
they're all stupid. That's it - Roland thinks all guitar players are
stupid! I bought it anyway because I could not find a new GR-33. I
recently bought a Roland FC-300 foot controller so I could set up
patches with real names (the biggest blunder Roland made with the
GR-20). It works very well. Next is to try to use the expression
pedals and control switches in the FC-300 so I can put the GR-20 aside
and use only the FC-300 in performance. I hope they followed through
with total midi command responses in that "effects pedal" mode. What
were Roland engineers thinking when they designed in the ability to
use an external effects pedal to select sounds simultaneously with the
effects pedal patches? The units have totally different purposes and
can't work topgether like that. What Earthly good is that??? So, we
have to be creative in order to use their stuff. My next move will be
an Axon driving a midi sound module - more expensive but it all makes
sense! By the way, the FC-300 is very nice, and complete - a great
addition to any midi environment. I hope this helps. Sorry for the
ranting but somebody has to do it. Email me at kenn...@verizon.net
to swap some ideas.

Peter Pan

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Jan 11, 2008, 12:42:40 PM1/11/08
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Kenny thanks for the response. I read your posting a few times and I'm a bit
confused:
You purchased the FC 300, does it allow you to change the patches like the
GR 33


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