MP3s etc
Chris Lumb
that prime site www.audiogalaxy.com has made all SD's stuff inaccessible.
I'm a musician myself, so I can certainly understand arguments about royalty
rip-offs. But when a band fails to make so much stuff accessible for
purchase, what is a dedicated fan supposed to do?
Would be interested in others' observations or suggestions.
C
Jon Stone
in print, easily purchased at your local record store or from an online vendor.
Chris Lumb
titles...
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David
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> You gotta be joking! Check Audiogalaxy, you'll see so many unfamiliar
> titles...
Just did check. Here's the unfamiliar titles I picked out:
Stuck in the Middle with You: Incorrectly attributed to Steely Dan, should
be Steeleye Span.
Cuervo Gold: Probably actually Hey 19
Gaing Back Jack: Another misnamed title, Do It Again, and several more
Several Don and Walt solo titles attributed to Steely Dan
Several titles from Walk it Like You Talk It
Android Warehouse, Stone Piano, etc.: "Pre-Dan" titles that are not
unfamiliar and available on the Catalyst collection (among others) available
on many web sites such as CDNow
Several live cuts, of VH1 storytellers or PBS show. Available commercially
Bradley Nowell Acoustic: An audiece recording of the late Sublime leader
doing an unrehearsed acoustic version of Dr Wu
All This to Mobile Home: An unreleased bootleg title. OK, there's one.
Mr Sam: An unreleased song you can get off Andy Metzger's web site.
Overall, I don't see much of anything, including bootleg, that you can't buy
legit (SD catalog or pre-Dan releases) or download off Andy Metzger.
I've been nothing but frustrated with Audiogalaxy. There are better
alternatives.
Dave
the Tapeworm
ddr
>Just did check. Here's the unfamiliar titles I picked out:
>Bradley Nowell Acoustic: An audiece recording of the late Sublime leader
>doing an unrehearsed acoustic version of Dr Wu
Wow! Now here's a talent tragically snuffed by Dr Wu himself, singing
the song that was a portent of his fate! Really, I love this guy's
voice and singing style. Ever since I heard him sing "Believe me when
I say that I got something for his punk ass," in "Santeria," I've been
hooked. And even though his style is more energetic, say, in "What I
Got," I think it's fair to say it's not un-Fagen-like in its
uniqueness and inaccessibility to many music consumers. A kindred
spirit, perhaps?
Is this cover any good? Anyone ever hear it or download it?
love and kisses
diane
Tapeworm
"ddr" <jacko...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:41:04 GMT, "David" <ear...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Just did check. Here's the unfamiliar titles I picked out:
>
> >Bradley Nowell Acoustic: An audiece recording of the late Sublime leader
> >doing an unrehearsed acoustic version of Dr Wu
> Is this cover any good? Anyone ever hear it or download it?
It's an audience recorded (lots of crowd noise and only fair quality)
unrehearsed (blown lyrics, rough ending)...nothing to write home about,
except it's unusual. I listened to it once and that was it.
I agree, I really like that Sublime CD. Of course, the record company (and
surviving band members) have released more Sublime CD's after his death than
when he was alive...demos, live, b-sides, you name it. But he had a cool
voice and the band had a great sound.
Check out the Dr Wu, it's available on download all over the place. Then
buy a Cd to support working artists.
Dave
the Tapeworm
Steve2000indeja
>"ddr" <jacko...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:41:04 GMT, "David" <ear...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Just did check. Here's the unfamiliar titles I picked out:
>>
>> >doing an unrehearsed acoustic version of Dr Wu
>
>
>> Is this cover any good? Anyone ever hear it or download it?
>
>It's an audience recorded (lots of crowd noise and only fair quality)
>unrehearsed (blown lyrics, rough ending)...nothing to write home about,
>except it's unusual. I listened to it once and that was it.
>
>I agree, I really like that Sublime CD. Of course, the record company (and
>surviving band members) have released more Sublime CD's after his death than
>when he was alive...demos, live, b-sides, you name it. But he had a cool
>voice and the band had a great sound.
>
>Check out the Dr Wu, it's available on download all over the place. Then
>buy a Cd to support working artists.
>
>Dave
>the Tapeworm
>
90s pop singer songwriter Jude Cole has a cover of "Any Major Dude," recorded
live at a club appearance. He's normally an electric dude but this is an
unplugged style acoustic version.
Jude's a good rock guitarist and pop singer (decent very pop rock songwriter)
-not a jazz cat...so this acoustic guitar/vocal cover doesn't have the nice
piano voicings of the original. But it's cool.
I got it on the late audiogalaxy.com which has just been closed down by our
friends at the RIAA. You may be able to find it on KaZaa.com. I just moved my
file of it to the KaZaa folder...so if I'm online it should be available.
Not a must have, but interesting and tasty.
And an interesting choice of a song to cover for Jude Cole, a guy who coulda
been a contender for some of Brian Adam's 80s fans, except he came along about
5 years too late...
i will not listen to Brian Adams. I do enjoy Jude's guitar pop songcraft..and
playing and singing and stuff.
Steve
Corvid
"Steve2000indeja " <sslag...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
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> >
> >"ddr" <jacko...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >news:3d10a088...@news.earthlink.net...
> >> On Wed, 19 Jun 2002 13:41:04 GMT, "David" <ear...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >>
> >Check out the Dr Wu, it's available on download all over the place. Then
> >buy a Cd to support working artists.
> >
> >Dave
> >the Tapeworm
> >
>
> 90s pop singer songwriter Jude Cole has a cover of "Any Major Dude,"
recorded
> been a contender for some of Brian Adam's 80s fans, except he came along
about
> 5 years too late...
>
> i will not listen to Brian Adams. I do enjoy Jude's guitar pop
songcraft..and
> playing and singing and stuff.
>
> Steve
Astute observation about Jude Cole, there, Steve - I bought his first album
in '91 on the strength of "Baby It's Tonight" which got a fair bit of
airplay. He *was* five years too late for the Bryan Adams fans. I vaguely
recall a second one, with another radio hit, and that's all, folks. Seems
to be about the average length of a career these days.
To me, that's what the whole file-sharing thing is for, just grabbing the
odd orphan song here and there (of those, BearShare works the best *for me*
on DSL). I'll reiterate what Dave The Tapeworm said about buying a CD to
support the artists, record company weasels stuffing their pockets with
hundred-dollar bills notwithstanding. Have you heard of the 3-song rule?
If you've downloaded 3 or more songs off a single CD, go buy it! Seems
fair, and keeps the good artists afloat. My brother begs to differ, saying
you might as well skip the middleman and mail a cheque directly to the
artist. Since I don't have the time or wherewithal to bother hunting down
Don & Walt's individual addresses, among hundreds of others, I'll just buy
the friggin' CD's the old-fashioned way, and alleviate some of my FSGC
(file-sharing guilt complex) while assuring some middle management corporate
type another weeks supply of beluga caviar. So everybody's happy.
PS - Bryan Adams really does suck. FYI: SAGA, another Canuck band from the
80's that fits the niche nicely between Rush and Yes, does not.
Darren
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>>"ddr" <jacko...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>90s pop singer songwriter Jude Cole has a cover of "Any Major Dude," recorded
>live at a club appearance. He's normally an electric dude but this is an
>unplugged style acoustic version.
Another great version of Any Major Dude is by Joe Jackson; audience
recording, but good musical quality!
Jon Stone
Tupelo) and his awesome group Wilco. These guys are well worth a serious listen
to.
Chris Lumb
certainly no newcomer to SD. I jumped on board just after Pretzel Logic.
Missed them horribly between Gaucho and Live in America. As a guitar
teacher, I cultivated many new Dan fans.
Even to this day there must be an awful lot of SD stuff available in the US,
legit, which I can't buy here (despite Aus now being far better in that
regard). Example? Dallas/Sail the Waterway. Despite being a regular
scourer of music journals and record stores, it is only now that I've found
it/them via MP3s. And I'm a little sceptical about claims that there is
little on the net you can't get through proper hardware avenues. Yes, there
is much misfiled stuff, misnamed stuff, poor quality recordings, but I
identified quite a lot unavailable elsewhere.
Look, I've played in bands and I'm the first to criticise artists getting
cut out of the $ equation. But it seems to me that if they, or their suits
are unwilling/unable to make material accessible, then their patrons cannot
be blamed for seeking it elsewhere. At the same time, I agree there should
be a mechanism for filtering $s back to artists whose material has been
MP3d.
Jon Stone
I'm not sure the Dallas/Sail the Waterway EP qualifies as an item easily found
in the US, and it was in fact a "Jem import." originating somewhere other than
the States (UK maybe?). I scooped it up in the mid 70s and I believe it's been
out of print ever since.
The fact is Becker and Fagen, being the unrepentant perfectionists they are,
have never been ones to release the dross just to turn a buck, much to our
chagrin. As such, it has fallen to the network of so-called bootleggers who,
lacking a sophisticated marketing/distribution channel, are left to their own
devices to get their tapes, CDs and digital audio files into the hands of
would-be gourmands by any available means.
As someone who's been trading tapes for years, I can attest to the fact that
it's still not easy to obtain that elusive alternate take or discarded studio
snippet, but it's a lot better than has been and improving every day.
Jon
Chris Lumb
A good post, very informative. I agree totally, I suppose it's part of what
makes SD so good is that they are so inaccessible, if that makes sense.
Maybe we're all masochists for loving a great band, pleading for "more", and
the guys just say "no" (Josie?).
I'm quite honest in saying I'd pay big bucks for good stuff they've done
(even if they don't regard it as such). But if you can't buy it, you
possibly have to steal it!?
Peter Koehlen
<dfajcz...@sympatico.ca> schreibt:
>Astute observation about Jude Cole, there, Steve - I bought his first album
>in '91 on the strength of "Baby It's Tonight" which got a fair bit of
>airplay. He *was* five years too late for the Bryan Adams fans. I vaguely
>recall a second one, with another radio hit, and that's all, folks. Seems
>to be about the average length of a career these days.
There are other albums of Jude Cole worth checking out:
jude cole 87
a view from 3rd street 90
start the car 92
i dont know why i act this way 95
falling home 00
regards
Peter / Germany
Jon Stone
There seem to be 2 schools of thought re the "stealing" of concert material, rarities, etc: there are those who claim that the artist is being wrongly cheated out of his well-deserved royalty each time a tape trades hand--and by what right do these overzealous bootleggers presume to do this?
Then there are those of us who claim that anyone fanatical enough to go to through all the back-channel conniving and supplicating (not to mention tape machine smuggling!) it takes to get hold of these often-times unlistenable recordings, probably owns everything already commercially available anyhow, and in fact has paid the artist many times over his share of fan lucre. In my particular case, I own at least triples of every Steely Dan LP ever issued, all eventually replaced by its CD equivalent, not to mention the boxed set, Best of, Gold, "Expanded" Gold, etc., etc. In short it's not a zero sum game--over the years Steely Dan hasn't suffered any financial loss due to my bootleg collecting.
In the final analysis, I truly believe the trading of tapes among the die-hards and their acquaintances actually generates more interest in the band than there might otherwise be, and rather than "stealing" from the artist, perhaps spurs commercial sales. This would seem to be particularly true in the case of SD, who's pathological desire for perfection or something close to it, keeps fans on tenterhooks for years (last time it was 19!) salivating for something, anything, new.
Being the moral relativist that I am, I do draw the line at the selling of unauthorized stuff, as this does not constitute a labor of love but a commercial enterprise resulting in what amounts to a de facto rip-off of the artist. Encouraging fans to spread the gospel by way of audience taping was supposedly the philosophy that bands like the Grateful Dead and Dave Matthews whole-heartedly embraced early in their careers and it sure didn't do them any harm.
Jon
Chris Lumb
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