Show Biz Kids
Martin Taylor
What on earth is the lyric sung ad Naeseum by the backing singers in
Show Biz kids. Can't for the life of me work it out!
Jamartyquai
Jack Shell
personal slang for Las Vegas.
Jack
Michael Stevens
Lost wages, lost wages, goin' to Las Vegas
"lost wages" is NOT, BTW, a Fagen/Becker construct, probably more a Frank
Sinatra era construct.
Michael
Jack Shell wrote in message ...
Jeff or Lori Chandler
While the poor people sleepin with the shade on the light
while the poor people sleepin all the stars come out at night
[repeat]
After clising time at the Guernsy Fair, I detect the El Supremo
from the room at the top of the stairs
Well I've been around the world, and I've been to the Washington Zoo;
and in all my travels as the fact unravel,
I've found this to be true
While the poor people sleepin with the shade on the light
while the poor people sleepin all the stars come out at night
[repeat]
They've got the house on the corner
with the rug inside;
they got the booze they need,
all that money can buy
They've got the shapely bodies,
they got the Steely Dan T-Shirts
and for the Coup de grace
they're outragious, Honey, let me tell you,
While the poor people sleepin with the shade on the light
while the poor people sleepin all the stars come out at night
[repeat]
Show business kids makin movies of themselves
you know they don't give a fuck about anybody else,
You know you go to Las Wages.....
j groff
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Mark
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>Lost Wages. Not Las Wages.
>Jeff or Lori Chandler wrote in message
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>>Go to Las Wages, Las Wages, Go to Las Wages...
I alway thought it was a play on words combining "Las Vegas" and "lost
wages". You go to Las Vegas and you lose wages.
fa...@webtv.net
"T-shirts".
Michael Stevens
I listened over and over to this phrase on my album after reading your post.
Fagen is very clearly singing, "... they got their Steely Dan T- shirts
...".
Where are you from? Are you familiar with New England American English
accents? The Boston area has a peculiar manner of rendering the 'ir'
dipthong as 'oi', or variently, 'oy'.
This means a word like 'bird' is pronounced 'boyd', similarly 'shirt' is
pronounced 'shoyt'. Bob Dylan, an idol of Mr. F, often exaggerated such
pronunciations, and Fagen seems to be emulating him here, as in several
other Dan songs.
Even if he WERE to be saying "green shorts", what would you propose supports
this in context? "T-shirts" makes sense, green shorts doesn't.
I think you are tryin' to pull the wool over our eyes!
I have another one for ya, in Gaucho, he is really singing, "Who is that?
Ow! there my knee goes!"
Oh! and in King of the World, he is really singing, "Hello, Monty Hall!",
then of course there is the classic, from somewhere else in this NG, in Your
Gold Teeth, he is really singing, "Even Kathy Berberian knows there's one
duo she can't lay"
Mondegreens all.
See Ya!
Michael
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>"T-shirts".<BR>
It's just practically impossible to believe this whole "green shorts" thread
isn't just some sort of silly game. No one could POSSIBLY think that's what
they sing.
It's gotta be a joke. This guy's just trying to see how many upset responses he
can get out of people.
Ignore him and he'll go away (which is what I'm going to do, right now).
diane
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j groff
Michael Stevens wrote in message ...
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> Listen again- it goes "They got the Steely Dan green shorts", NOT
>"T-shirts".
>
>
>
cools...@webtv.net
trying to annoy anybody- I love all my fellow Danheads :). I know what
the liner notes and music books say is the lyric there, but I just can't
for the life of me hear "T-shirts". I concede that perhaps the
"shirts" part could have been pronounced "shoyts" (thanks for the
explanation), but does anyone here really hear the percussive and
distinct "T" sound in that line? HONESTLY? I hear only a "gr" sound
and to me the word just sounds much more like "green" than "T". Please
listen once more and tell me honestly how anyone can confuse a "T" sound
with a "gr" sound?
I've been reading this group for a few years now and find it
uncanny how many others have had near-religious identification
experiences with genius compositions like "Any World", Caves of
Altamira", Royal Scam", "Maxine", etc. I've also noticed that many of
you are also Beatles and Eagles fans (I was weaned on them), The Cars,
and Squeeze. I also love Jamiroquai, and I think it's an interesting
coincidence that many others here have also independently discovered
this group. There's not much music IMO which comes close to Steely Dan
for consistence in their overall sound, thought-provoking and
superbly-crafted, (although sometimes deviously cryptic) lyrics, complex
harmonies, groove factor, instrumental virtuousity, and the ability to
actually feel transported INTO the song in some way. Goosebumps city,
man.
BTW, the guitar solo in "Your Gold Teeth II" puts me away every time-
there IS no equal. Now, if I could just find my Steely Dan green
shorts... :)
-Dan Fan
Martin Taylor
Your Gold Teeth 2 is the ultimate Dan moment!
Jamartyquai
Dcymbals
phrase could it be?
maybe its "steely dan pizzas"
David J Wildstrom
>>Oh! and in King of the World, he is really singing, "Hello, Monty Hall!",
So _that's_ why the tag sounds like the theme music to a game show....
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Martin Taylor
you listen closely and use a Scandanavian accent you could kind of get
the "izza" sound, but for my money it's definately "Steeleye Span
fleabox".
Jamartyquai
Michael Stevens
Michael
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MiAnNa
>there IS no equal.
Who did that solo, and who did the solo in Chained Lighning?
MiAnNa
>"T-shirts".
And I bet you think Mick Jagger is singing "I'm so affable, I'm so affable, I'm
so affable
But she's so cold!"
MiAnNa
>duo she can't lay"
>Mondegreens all.
I knew a Berberian once.
What is the real line, by the way?
Jackofdays
cools...@webtv.net
I don't have a problem with my ear, but you obviously do. Do you really
mean to tell me that you honestly hear a "T" sound and not a "G" sound?
Gimme a break. Surely there's someone else out there who hears this and
will back me up eventually. I willl concede that the line may be
"Steely Dan Green SHIRTS" (not shorts) though. Listen again CLOSELY,
folks- preferably with good headphones! Ciao!
Varness
Joe Sovacool
MiAnNa wrote:
why not go to www.steelydan.com (the official and very excellent site)
and check the lyrics direct from the source? am i alone in wanting to be
rid of this issue? thanks.
joe
Jim Farmer
are all his. For further confirmation, check out the credits on the "Steely
Dan Gold" CD and the section on the "Katy Lied" recordings in the book
"Reeling in the Years."
I believe that Walter played guitar solos on the following songs: "Pretzel
Logic," "East St. Louis Toodle-oo" (wah-wah), "Black Friday," "Bad Sneakers,"
"Josie," "Home at Last," "I Got the News" (first solo), "Aja" (mini-solo in
between the longer Denny Dias and Wayne Shorter solos), and "Gaucho."
Jim F.
MiAnNa
>"Steely Dan Green SHIRTS"
Sorry, but Ive been hearing a "T" sound in that song for more than twenty
years.
If you want a song about green shirts (and even more indecipherable lyrics) go
listen to Elvis C.
S Edens
recently began really getting into SD & D. Fagen stuff. I am an
extrordinarily huge fan of Squeeze (for the past 15 years), and just
read your comment about SD fans, and their other musical interests. So
your comment about alot of SD fans also being Squeeze fans really hit
home! That is truely bizarre, as we all know there are not that many
big Squeeze fans out there, I however am the exception! And here I am
turning on to SD in a big way. Ironic? Who knows.
M.E.
"...I'm forgetting to remember to forget; all the memories locked in my
head..."
Jools Holland
(Squeeze)
steve...@my-dejanews.com
UPS...@webtv.net (S Edens) wrote:
> That is such a trip. This is my first visit to this NG and I have just
> recently began really getting into SD & D. Fagen stuff. I am an
> extrordinarily huge fan of Squeeze (for the past 15 years), and just
> read your comment about SD fans, and their other musical interests. So
> your comment about alot of SD fans also being Squeeze fans really hit
> home!
There was a thread running a while back about which band(s) sound most like
Steely Dan. I posted an IMOHO response that no band 'sounded like Steely Dan'
but their main impact on other bands was their approach and attitude. We
discussed Supertramp (perfectionism and other similarities, but they didn't
(IMO) sound like SD.) The Squeeze/SD comparison is not a strech at all when
taken in this "attitude and approach" context. Squeeze pushed the pop
envelope as well. They took lyrical chances (not the same kind as SD-but they
took them). Their music was not like Steely Dan's but it was very much their
own-another like/attitude approach. (IMO Joe Jackson and Elvis Costello fall
into this category.)
Steely Dan just turned out to be a cult band who broke through. Squeeze didn't
make that major breakthrough. Could have been the listenability or just plain
catchiness of the SD work. Just a thought. Niether band was given major
promotion in their heyday.
There have been numerous articles revolving around the hard won mass
acceptance of SD music and it's ability to stand the test of time. I remember
Squeeze and Steely Dan being mentioned in the same reviews several times
years ago. It was generally a Squeeze review in which Steely Dan would be
mentioned. Both bands were critical favorites.
On another note, I'm still blown away by Chris' post of yesterday that said SD
were getting non jazz fans to listen to pop jazz (and 'subversive'lyrics)
without even realizing it. I'd been trying to get that into words for weeks-an
article on how the now accepted and successful 'smooth jazz' radio format was
pioneered by SD's success with their last 3 albums and Nitefly etc. And Chris
came zooming through the NG with a short post that hit it right on the head.
Yeah.
Steve_2000
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only out-and-out 'pop' band that I've got any time for. Most of the other
stuff I listen to is in the Jazz/Blues/Folk area: SD (of course), Dylan, The
Band, Little Feat, Joni Mitchell, Zappa, Ry Cooder, Boz Scaggs, Miles Davis,
Cannonball Adderly, Martin Carthy, Incredible String Band, Fairport
Convention.
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That is such a trip. This is my first visit to this NG and I have just
recently began really getting into SD & D. Fagen stuff. I am an
extrordinarily huge fan of Squeeze (for the past 15 years), and just
read your comment about SD fans, and their other musical interests. So
your comment about alot of SD fans also being Squeeze fans really hit
ACarter001
Holland? It was cool. The band played IGY with David Sanborn on sax and Patti
Austin on vocals. It was mentioned in Brian Sweets "Reelin' In The Years"
biography os Steely Dan.
Sourdust
acart...@aol.com (ACarter001) writes:
I remember seeing this. Fagen was extremely subdued, if I remember right,
looking as if he didn't want to be there. The music was superb.
KB
S Edens
Rundgren was on, he was always a great guest. Too bad that show ended,
anyone know if it's on in syndication these days?
steve...@my-dejanews.com
recall and just played. If this is the show I'm thinking of Earl Klugh was a
guest as well and Fagen accompanied many of the guests on keyboards. He may
have made 2 appearances on this show.This along with a column he was writing
for a keyboard magazine gave me hope that the self imposed exile was over.
Later he issued an instructional tape and the NY Rock and Roll Review was
created.(There is also a NY RR Review show thay I taped.) I am self admittedly
cynical (like the old scorpion joke-it's in my nature) but seem to
be mellowing with age. I still would not let these positive signs let my hopes
rise about an SD reunion and still didn't believe it till the first dates were
played....
FYI-According to their recording engineer Roger Nichols who went out with
them to mix monitors on the tour (and record the live album)-they were
depressed after at least the first show. They apparently discussed bailing
out of the rest of the dates. The reason? Lack of crowd response! On a major
stage under the lights, I'm told you can only see the first few rows.
Apparently they looked out and saw smiling faces and clapping (not a lot of
dancing as that's not the kinds music they play). But they heard very little
applause from the rest of the 15,000 or so people and thought they had made a
mistake, that maybe the band was off (although they sounded fine onstage.) Or
inspite of sold out dates, they really didn't know how they would how their
return would be actually accepted.
Roger was astounded. He reported the response was phenomonal, and people,
even in the cheap seats, had been cheering. What was going on? It was simple.
They were using the relatively new in-the-ear monitor systems to hear
themselves. These allow the performer to hear his monitor mix ie: how the
band is actually sounding-hard to tell on a big stage/before in the ear,
floor and side fill speakers were (and are ) used to create an onstage PA
system whose sole purpose is to provide the band with a cohesive mix of what
they are playing so they can perform in sync. The in the ear system, if used
by all, allows the large monitor speakers (and their volume) to be kept to a
minimum as the artist is recieving the music directly "in the ears" as with a
walkman headset on.
The problem on opening night: these type monitors also block out other noise.
D and W couldn't hear the thunderous applause and were unsure how they had
gone over. Roger, along with others I'm sure, told them it was a huge
success. The next night he placed a few mics in the audience and added those
to D and W's headset mixes so they could hear the applause. Problem solved.
I couldn't swear to it but I think I saw Fagen using only one monitor on the
second tour. This type of monitoring is great for singers as it's easier to
sing on key, but not necessarily good for players (especially bass and drums)
who like to "feel" the music. The ear mons are a bit sterile. Celine Dion has
her whole band on them as she prefers low stage volume to assure her best
singing. Also she is the boss and can order the band to do it. Lately, I've
been seeing more and more bands using a mix (excuse the pun) of the 2 systems
to keep the singers in key and allow-up to a point-the players to have enough
"real volume" to get into the groove. Steve_2000
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> Did anyone see Night Music from December 1988 with Donald Fagen and Jools
> Holland? It was cool. The band played IGY with David Sanborn on sax and Patti
> Austin on vocals. It was mentioned in Brian Sweets "Reelin' In The Years"
> biography os Steely Dan.
>
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show?
Interested from Eltham, London UK.
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writes:
>I assume Night Music is a US show? How did Jools react to having DF on the
>show?
>
Night Music is a US show. The "House" band was David Sanborn(sax), Marcus
Miller(bass!!!), Omar Hakim(drums) and Hiram Bullock(guitar). Talk about
brilliant!!! They had guests on each week such as Joe Sample, Carlos Santana
and of course DF. Jools was always cracking really crappy english jokes that
no one in America seemed to understand, and those of us who saw it repeated a
couple of years ago on VH-1, didn't do much better! I wish they would repat it
again so that I could record some of the ones that I missed.
DF was backed by two of the backing vocalists who used to sing on Steely Dan
albums too if I remember rightly.
Andy