Rose Darling
Nerd
I'm listening to Katy Lied right now, and I was again reminded of the
fact I can't quite pin down what "Rose Darling" is about. Is it about
a guy who likes to take matters into his own hands (so to speak) when
his gal's asleep or am I reading WAY too much into this?
-Monica
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I believe you have a firm grasp on the subject...nice understated solo by
Dean Parks BTW on that one.
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"Rose Darling" comes from the book, "Lolita". Apparently Donald Fagan
was a fan of the author, Vladimir Nabukov.
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DrJ
>
> Hi.
>
> I'm listening to Katy Lied right now, and I was again reminded of the
> fact I can't quite pin down what "Rose Darling" is about. Is it about
> a guy who likes to take matters into his own hands (so to speak) when
> his gal's asleep or am I reading WAY too much into this?
>
>
> --
the images i get- not girlfriend. the spore is on the wind baby
snake lady asleep so lets get jiggy [and you happen to be here]
would the snake lady stop them?
is rose under-age relative supposedly under her protection?
[gasp... would they choose subject matter like this? nasty boys...
ax Mr LaPage]
does the "voice" want rose asleep???? don't get that at all, not at all:
what has he found that might enable them to wear the weary hours down???
maybe
like a battery operated thingy [the entendres are at least double, as
usual] ho ho ho, my sides ached and i lost a wee bit of bladder control
wear the weary hours down... weary from all the... you know. after four
or five not only do things begin to get sore but one gets so tired
especially if you remembered extra batteries?
there's more- gotta go. lunch pal doesn't want to watch me going
tickatickaticka
EverReady
D
Nymble
father to his wife Rose to enjoy conjugal pleasures while their
first-born daughter, Mary, is asleep. Having an infant in the house
can cramp one's style, and perhaps this young man has missed out on
more than just sleep. Being young and impecunious, they are still
living in the one bedroom apartment that had been quite ample prior to
the arrival of their progeny. Now, however, there is an issue of
privacy, about which Rose is concerned. The baby is not yet a
toddler, but still a rug-rat, who crawls on her belly like a snake.
Come on, he entreats, Mary is sound asleep, and the sounds of our love
making will not wake her...
Rose darling, come to me; Snake Mary's gone to bed.
All our steaming sounds of love cannot disturb her in her night
Or raise her sleeping head.
All I ask of you is make my wildest dreams come true;
No one sees and no one knows
What do the rest of you think?
Jack
Alan E. Hill wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:08:56 -0700, Nerd <ringmod...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>I'm listening to Katy Lied right now, and I was again reminded of the
>>fact I can't quite pin down what "Rose Darling" is about. Is it about
>>a guy who likes to take matters into his own hands (so to speak) when
>>his gal's asleep or am I reading WAY too much into this?
>
DrJ
Nymble <Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
> It strikes me that Rose Darling is a plaintive request by a young
> father to his wife Rose to enjoy conjugal pleasures while their
> first-born daughter, Mary, is asleep. Having an infant in the house
> can cramp one's style, and perhaps this young man has missed out on
> more than just sleep. Being young and impecunious, they are still
> living in the one bedroom apartment that had been quite ample prior to
> the arrival of their progeny. Now, however, there is an issue of
> privacy, about which Rose is concerned. The baby is not yet a
> toddler, but still a rug-rat, who crawls on her belly like a snake.
> Come on, he entreats, Mary is sound asleep, and the sounds of our love
> making will not wake her...
>
okay with conjugal pleasure [as opposed to his own hand propositioned erlier
in thread... and humorously, thanks]but why would a baby be dreaming about
being in Detroit with lots of money in the bank. when the voice "guesses
she's in..." to whom does he refer? Interesting visual re: baby crawling
like a snake but decline with appreciation. I'll refer to previous suggestion
that Snake Mary is the elder and it might just be her vibrator the
protagonist has procured and thank goodness the sleeping "guardian" [my
strained frontal lobe reading between the lines that the allusion to not
disturbing her implies doing so would cause cessation of conjugation, as
though she in some way is in part responsible for or at least looking out for
the better interests of this (again I strain) adolescent... and a very
low-end adolescent in accordance with other track records on this record] is
at least pecuniary enough to insure the freshness of the batteries which our
singer hopes to wear down. to sum up: Snake Mary elder, sleeping, dreaming
about Deetroit avec pennies. enter the lascivious visitor's wildest dreams
[and i appreciate he doesn't refer to Mary as Auntie, sister, cousin, or...
gasp... mother. whew. do the guys know where to draw the line or what?].
yes- cool, and you just made me think that it would be a rilly pecuniary
pecadillo to dream of being in the motor city. that sounds more like the dream
of someone in a trailer
in a mobile home [apologies for political incorrectness as needed; i point out
that there was just some tawk about the song "mobile home". see what i mean?]
from which the dream might conjur a relatively hipper place to be... but far
short of Cannes or Rio or somewhere someone who was more pecuniary would dream
of going [one must know about such places in order to dream of them?] so cool
we're officially riffing?
I did try, but can't account for the rest of the lyrics within your scenario.
okay, now I'm on rhythmn; your solo...
hit me!
David
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KidCharlem
exemplifies Steely Dan to me. They don't explain it, we see what we like to.
And isn't that half the fun with SD. I grew up to this music, and I never had
the actual words, and the words I didn't know made the pictures that still
linger with me.
But i suppose as far as Rose Darling, I still see it just as it sounds. A
Nabokovian fantasy. Snake Mary as the wife, Rose Darling as her daughter
perhaps. Snake Mary sleeps after a night of passion, but her lover remains
unfulfilled, awaiting the youthful Rose. In Humbert Humbert's case, we have a
man who had a relationship with a woman, only to remain close to her daughter.
And I have read that Fagen was a nabokov fan, and it wouldn't at all suprise me
if Fagen/Becker wrote this intentionally trying to throw us into talks about
masturbation and sex while the children sleep. They did, after all, say that
they never wrote a song that didn't make them laugh.
Matt
Monica
> Wow...never knew we all see things so differently. Which completely
> exemplifies Steely Dan to me. They don't explain it, we see what we like to.
> And isn't that half the fun with SD. I grew up to this music, and I never had
> the actual words, and the words I didn't know made the pictures that still
> linger with me.
I know what you mean. We're also rather nice about seeing things
differently. . . I've seen heavy flame wars in other groups when they
can't agree on the meaning of a particular song.
Thanks to all for your insights.
-Monica
DrJ
>
>
> But i suppose as far as Rose Darling, I still see it just as it sounds. A
> Nabokovian fantasy.
>
> Matt
haven't read this... much thanks, Matt. I suggest we all read the book
and reconvene. for the time being, reactions to my interpretation of
wearing the weary hours down? what has he 'found'? was there a battery
powered steely dan in Lolita [ahem. i mean, was it in the book...]
moistly,
David
Martin Randall
Nymble wrote in message <1999043022102...@anon.efga.org>...
>It strikes me that Rose Darling is a plaintive request by a young
>father to his wife Rose to enjoy conjugal pleasures while their
>first-born daughter, Mary, is asleep.
I'm with you on this one - this is the way that I have always heard the song
over the last 20 years. But then ....
one should not rule out the more warped, less literal interpretations
either. I prefer the former though .... the musical groove fits it better
than a more sordid interpretation.
DrJ
how does dreaming of being in Detroit with lots of money in the bank fit
this scenario? [a piggy bank?]
more sordid... this shoe might just fit what's afoot.
podiatrically speaking,
David
Greg Anderson
>
>Nymble wrote in message <1999043022102...@anon.efga.org>...
>>It strikes me that Rose Darling is a plaintive request by a young
>>father to his wife Rose to enjoy conjugal pleasures while their
>>first-born daughter, Mary, is asleep.
>
>I'm with you on this one - this is the way that I have always heard
>the song over the last 20 years. But then ....
>one should not rule out the more warped, less literal interpretations
>either. I prefer the former though .... the musical groove fits it better
>than a more sordid interpretation.
Well, call me sordid, but I have always heard the lyric as someone
masturbating with a porno magazine or sex toy ("what I've found") after his
lover has gone away leaving him unfulfilled. "Rose Darling" as in "Rosie"
(Jackson Browne) or "Rosey Palm" (a locker room joke known to every male
from puberty onward).
"The spore is on the wind" -- this isn't rocket science. 8^)
Greg
John Lawler
that he wants another baby, a boy - hence "Snake Mary." I like the thought,
but it seems to me that the chorus is not consistent with a husband/wife
relationship:
"Rose Darling, my friend
With only you,
and what I've found
We'll wear the weary hours down"
I remember quite well how the weary hours were filled with a very young
child snoozing - ASLEEP!!
Rose - as in rosy palm
only you - alone as with himself
friend - as something or someone you shake hands with
what I've found - pic shots on blue print blue - muchof the conversation
could be to the centerfold - a fantasy world a la Don Juan De Marcos.
The Nabakov theory works for me as well
spore on the wind - a spilled seed reference
Nymble
Though it is not the only possible interpretation, I'll continue the
one I suggested earlier (father, mother, and sleeping infant) and
see how it holds up on the second verse.
DrJ <deep...@umich.edu> asked:
>how does dreaming of being in Detroit with lots of money in the bank
>fit
>this scenario? [a piggy bank?]
>
>more sordid... this shoe might just fit what's afoot.
>
>podiatrically speaking,
>David
and in a subsequent post:
>but why would a baby be dreaming
>about
>being in Detroit with lots of money in the bank. when the voice
>"guesses
>she's in..." to whom does he refer?
Rose darling, come to me; Snake Mary dreams along.
I would guess she's in Detroit with lots of money in the bank
Although I could be wrong.
You must know it's right the spore is on the wind tonight;
You won't feel it till it grows.
The she in "she's in Detroit" would be the infant. Our horny
protagonist is projecting his own dream fantasies on his daughter,
most probably missing the mark. More likely the baby has on her mind
the same breasts that her father is thinking about, though with
different intent (or perhaps the father has the same intent, but we
are getting sordid again). At least the father realizes that he
"could be wrong" in his guess.
When he says "the spore is on the wind tonight" he means that love is
in the air. "You won't feel it till it grows" might mean the randy
fellow's member, or might refer to a second child, yet to come from
their lovemaking.
Jack
DrJ
-have procured Lolita but it's on a waiting list. thanks again for the
reference. just met with college counselor w/daughter at HS... one of
the schools we're looking at is Bard College, which, I suspect, has not
suffered in the least from its association to our heros. My kid is in a
band, btw, and the drummer used to be a regular on SNL... wondering how
this might affect her chances of admission
-recently, sentiments were expressed re: respectful and flame-resistant
quality to this ng. adding my appreciation of same to same. have found
that sites which do not automatically post e-mail address tend to foster
the multiple-personality poster who might assume a new identity for the
sole purpose of antagonism... not my idea of good clean fun.
-re: good clean fun- my sincere appreciation to all who indulge to share
and intellectually stimulate. hopefully, none of my quips and/or the way
I express my ideas have been misconstrued as flames by anyone. none have
been intended.
-I hate to be misunderstood. Some of this invovles very un-Zen-like ego
attachment. [I'm working on it]. Our heros purposely produce these vague
literary images and allusions steeped in private jokes and/or bogus
lyrics for their own amusement [and to see what threads like these might
add to subsequent entertainment value, "scuse me while I kiss this guy",
and this sort of thing. [it's 12:09PM, do you know where your point is?]
I find that it is difficult to "let go" of the initial gestalt formed
when hearing a song like Rose Darling... even when you intellectually
accept and agree with other interpretations [which might be based on far
less vague knowledge and information]. There's a certain 'limbic lobe'
attachment which developes to the way the song is personally 'taken in'
and I feel we have that here in the Rose thread. I am enjoying the
discourse
-wear the weary hours down still sounds like a battery operated device
to me- no one has commented +/- on that possible play on words. also,
still hear the song as imploring... being sung to another person who
needs gentle but urgent persuasion [as opposed to 'one's own hand'].
The spore on the wind implies to me that it matters little where the
spore situates- as long as it is conducive to propagation... an
opportunity presents itself, but, the familiarity of husband and wife
isn't the vibe I get [sorry, I keep getting this buzzing vibe...]
wearing down but not weary,
David
KidCharlem
something like that pheromes vital to his task were floating about, ready to do
their work with little miss Rose. Could just be me.
Matt
Siri Bakken
> -have procured Lolita but it's on a waiting list. thanks again for the
> reference.
In 'Lolita', Humbert's tactics were totally different than the guy in
'Rose Darling'. And besides, it wasn't until Snake Mary (I mean,
Lolita's mother) had died and Lolita was in his care, that he dared to
make his wildest dreams come true. (Taking advantage of her being alone
in the world. "You see, she had nowhere else to go" or something like
that.)
The first 24 hours or so, Humbert lied to Lolita and told her that her
mother was in the hospital, when she was in fact dead. As a variation, I
guess he could have told her that her mother had gone to bed and was
sleeping, like it says in 'Rose Darling'. But he never used an argument
like "your mother doesn't need to know" in the book.
(And no, there is no battery operated device in 'Lolita' (the book), as
far as I remember.)
Sure, the song may have been inspired by that novel, I don't know. But
an awful lot of people have written about "boy/man wants girl/woman"...
> hopefully, none of my quips and/or the way
> I express my ideas have been misconstrued as flames by anyone. none have
> been intended.
Flames??? Ridiculous. But, David, you go over people's heads sometimes.
When I read FeelUp's response to your 'Worst successive Dan Songs'
message last week, I laughed out loud here! Then I realized it wasn't a
joke... I wrote a reply, thanking Mr F***Up for standing up and saying
what we all have been thinking ;) And then I changed the subject line to
'Pearls before swine'. But I never sent the message, because it wasn't
even worth commenting on. But BTW David, your spelling is awful
sometimes! I mean, "sycophants", what's that?! ;)
I myself don't always get all of your puns, but don't even think about
making it easier for us!
> -I hate to be misunderstood. Some of this invovles very un-Zen-like ego
> attachment. [I'm working on it].
Good to hear it. Start sharing your ego more freely, and give us even
more pieces of your mind. Mmmmmm, exquisite!
And keep on doing your zensational one hand clapping.
> I find that it is difficult to "let go" of the initial gestalt formed
> when hearing a song like Rose Darling... even when you intellectually
> accept and agree with other interpretations [which might be based on far
> less vague knowledge and information].
My first innocent little idea was that Rose Darling is about a boy of 15
or so (probably because that was my age when I first heard it :) who
lives in a dull town with his stingy grandmother (who's slapping him,
poor kid).
When the evening comes, he has all this energy left, and he is so
excited about a (fairly) new discovery (which he has never put into real
action yet), and is trying to talk Rose (a girl in his class, I believe
:) into joining him on a secret adventure. Or perhaps Rose is his
half-sister or something..., since they're together in the same
house/apartment late at night. (Or is it daytime? Perhaps he has drugged
his grandmother...)
Who can be more persuasive than a desperate 15-year old? (A desperate
25/35/45etc-year old, you say? :) Well, this 15-year old tries
everything, he even throws in some (to him) poetic metaphors (spore...).
He is full of confidence, and wants to make a lasting impression on
her... Although he doesn't really care about anything but that big
moment tonight that he's been fantasizing about.
But he fails in getting his feelings across to her. (Alas, girls are a
different race, taught to resist that kind of enthusiasm...)
Oh well, I suspect he managed to convince her in the end!
This is what Brian Sweet wrote about 'Rose Darling':
"Donald Fagen was an avid reader of Vladimir Nabokov, the writer whose
controversial 1961 novel 'Lolita' provided them with the title for a
song about an illicit affair, illicit drugs and murderous intentions."
So is there another story/novel by Nabokov with a suitable Rose in it? I
have only read 5 of his books, and I can't remember.
As for the drugs (they keep coming up here all the time, don't they?!),
I don't really see any, except for possibly some sleeping pills. This
guy is high on hormones, and doesn't seem very dangerous either.
Siri
DrJ
>
> In 'Lolita', Humbert's tactics were totally different than the guy in
> 'Rose Darling'.
but there is a Snake Mary! kewl. [a pox on my spelling]
But he never used an argument
> like "your mother doesn't need to know" in the book.
> (And no, there is no battery operated device in 'Lolita' (the book), as
> far as I remember.)
I proposed this as a SD proposal, a variation/vibration on the invention
> Sure, the song may have been inspired by that novel, I don't know. But
> an awful lot of people have written about "boy/man wants girl/woman"...
girl wants boy, man wants testarossa, woman wants woman, woman wants
batteries [there are a few more]
>
.
> When I read FeelUp's response to your 'Worst successive Dan Songs'
> message last week, I laughed out loud here!
I think FeelUp got the joke, too. Ego thang. It was supposed to be a
joke. thanks.
>
> > -I hate to be misunderstood. Some of this invovles very un-Zen-like ego
> > attachment. [I'm working on it].
>
> Good to hear it.
I was also developing point [and ran out of time] re: W&D- how might it
feel to be so misinterpreted? well, clearly, they aren't seeking
precision understanding as a goal [not amusing enough], but don't you
think that just sometimes they'd want us to "get it" the way they meant
it? And again, i'm reminded of W w/r/t William Burroughs:
"if he can't even rememebr having written the Naked Lunch I don't see
why I should be expected to remember having read it" [i paraphrase].
>
My first innocent little idea
raise your right hand and swear by your innocence...
was that Rose Darling is about a boy of 15
> or so (probably because that was my age when I first heard it :) who
> lives in a dull town with his stingy grandmother (who's slapping him,
> poor kid).
> When the evening comes, he has all this energy left, and he is so
> excited about a (fairly) new discovery (which he has never put into real
> action yet), and is trying to talk Rose (a girl in his class, I believe
> :) into joining him on a secret adventure.
roger that. this is more of the vibe I get [but have a few sordid
questions pertaining to your childhood... watch your email and
<lighting cigarette> talk slowly?]
Or perhaps Rose is his
> half-sister or something...,
Bingo. sordid little ditty, ain't it? That's the sort of sordid vibe I
get- relaively speaking along the lines of Everything You Did; what was
that stuff on the easy chair that wasn't his....admission of emission
omission... the sordidity [a pox on spelling and syntax] factor *must
not be* underestimated- because it is usually *understated* by our
heros. heroes. our guys.
since they're together in the same
> house/apartment late at night.
with the spore on the wind.... why not? gottcha.
(Or is it daytime? Perhaps he has drugged
> his grandmother...)
a little snake oil in her Bloody Mary?
> Who can be more persuasive than a desperate 15-year old? (A desperate
> 25/35/45etc-year old, you say? :)
you peaked?
Well, this 15-year old tries
> everything, he even throws in some (to him) poetic metaphors (spore...).
> He is full of confidence, ... Although he doesn't really care about anything but that big
> moment tonight that he's been fantasizing about.
yes!!! maybe he's a virgin... this would add to the desperation in a
steely danish fashion, no? he might just shtup anything that stops
moving long enough [pardon my french]. finding whatever he has found may
have just put his shaky adolescent confidence into the plus column-
[just add batteries] and he is certainly imploring- if you'll pardon the
expression, mounting quite an argument with penetratingly incisive
logic.
> But he fails in getting his feelings across to her.
we don't know how the story ends as he is still pleading his case [nor
do we know what was done to an old bookkeeper back in Oregon. 20 years
now my mother still wants to know].
(Alas, girls are a
> different race, taught to resist that kind of enthusiasm...)
> Oh well, I suspect he managed to convince her in the end!
and elsewhere
>
> This is what Brian Sweet wrote about 'Rose Darling':
> "Donald Fagen was an avid reader of Vladimir Nabokov, the writer whose
> controversial 1961 novel 'Lolita' provided them with the title for a
> song about an illicit affair, illicit drugs and murderous intentions."
the book just moved up a few places on my waiting list
again, exhibit for the prosecution: illicit. sex with your spouse while
a baby sleeps just seems too benign for the Dan, too illicitless.
unillicitful. deillicitated. how do you spell that?
I
> have only read 5 of his books, and I can't remember.
> As for the drugs (they keep coming up here all the time, don't they?!),
> I don't really see any, except for possibly some sleeping pills. This
> guy is high on hormones, and doesn't seem very dangerous either.
hormones are rilly dangerous. keep your guard up, kid.
>
David
what do you think your 15yr old boy has found?
KidCharlem
same vein. I know Fagen at one point admitted to having read and being
influenced by Nabokov's work. I'm sure as hell glad that D and W don't ever
say what it's about. Wouldn't that destroy the fun? I mean, I like my own
interpretation so much more than any others that I'd hate for them to say I was
wrong. Know what I mean?
Matt
Siri Bakken
> but there is a Snake Mary! kewl. [a pox on my spelling]
Sorry, no Snake Mary in the book, the mother's name was Charlotte ownly.
> > (And no, there is no battery operated device in 'Lolita' (the book), as
> > far as I remember.)
>
> I proposed this as a SD proposal, a variation/vibration on the invention
OK, it just didn't fit the character in "Lolita" at all (old-fashioned,
romantic)
> girl wants boy, man wants testarossa, woman wants woman, woman wants
> batteries [there are a few more]
I just want to be happy :D
> I think FeelUp got the joke, too. Ego thang. It was supposed to be a
> joke. thanks.
Oops!... In that case, my apologies to Dr FeelUp.
> I was also developing point [and ran out of time] re: W&D- how might it
> feel to be so misinterpreted? well, clearly, they aren't seeking
> precision understanding as a goal [not amusing enough], but don't you
> think that just sometimes they'd want us to "get it" the way they meant
> it?
Not really sure... ;) Yes, of course they do, no-one wants their
efforts to be wasted. But have they *ever* confirmed that anyone has got
it right? Yet, I admire them for saying no more than they choose to.
BTW, how *does* it feel to be so misinterpreted? :)
> And again, i'm reminded of W w/r/t William Burroughs:
> "if he can't even rememebr having written the Naked Lunch I don't see
> why I should be expected to remember having read it" [i paraphrase].
Great quote.
"if W&D choose to leave me in the dark, I don't see why I should be
expected to see the light"... But I certainly have fun while groping in
the dark!
> [but have a few sordid
> questions pertaining to your childhood... watch your email and
> <lighting cigarette> talk slowly?]
[I can't stand smokers... turn slowly and <pointing gun> comb your hair]
> Or perhaps Rose is his
> > half-sister or something...,
>
> Bingo. sordid little ditty, ain't it?
Or maybe it's just a flash of some teenage egocentric anarchism.
It's his big night, he's all worked up, he's a lonely kid, there are not
that many girls available...
(This is scary - Am I defending this guy??!)
> That's the sort of sordid vibe I
> get- relaively speaking along the lines of Everything You Did; what was
> that stuff on the easy chair that wasn't his....admission of emission
> omission...
Thank you. Finally, I got the "it was not my own" part...
> > Although he doesn't really care about anything but that big
> > moment tonight that he's been fantasizing about.
>
> yes!!! maybe he's a virgin...
Definitely! And I don't think he's a fairy...
On second thoughts... So far I have dismissed the idea of a battery
device. I mean, why would he need it? Unless... nature's played
this trick on him (to quote Morrissey) and he's trapped inside a body
that's not his own... What do you think, is *he* in fact a ___ ???
> > Oh well, I suspect he managed to convince her in the end!
>
> and elsewhere
Excuse me???
> > This
> > guy is high on hormones, and doesn't seem very dangerous either.
>
> hormones are rilly dangerous. keep your guard up, kid.
Yes, daddy :) But when rapists blame their testosterone/sexual urge,
they're fooling themselves and others. That's just a big myth. Rape is
not sex, it's abuse of power.
> what do you think your 15yr old boy has found?
Well, I thought it was something as innocent as how the "facts of life"
could apply to him, or perhaps he found something wrapped in plastic
that fell out of someone's pocket/wallet (or at the worst, he found a
used one...)
But I totally agree, this is "too benign for the Dan", I have abandoned
my early theory completely, and I now go for Steely Dan IV from
Virginia.
I still need to figure out the Nabokov reference to the title "Rose
Darling", though.
I think I know who Mary is... but why Detroit? Do I have to re-read
"Naked Lunch" tomorrow?
Siri
drj...@my-dejanews.com
Siri Bakken <siri....@oslo.online.no> wrote:
> Sorry, no Snake Mary in the book, the mother's name was Charlotte
ownly.
ah. i thought someone had said there was earlier in this threadworn
thread. i'm so gullible
> >
> I just want to be happy :D
moi aussi. bon chance, joi de vivre... and such a great planet
>
> > I think FeelUp got the joke, too. Ego thang.
> Oops!... In that case, my apologies to Dr FeelUp.
no, "it was not my own" [a good thing- in this case]
FeelUp ShowedUp only to flame [flicker] it seems. pitty. all potentially
superfine minds welcome here, so i thought. no HardFeelings. try again
tomorrow?
>
> "if W&D choose to leave me in the dark, I don't see why I should be
> expected to see the light"... But I certainly have fun while groping
in
> the dark!
>
welcome to the news grope
> [I can't stand smokers... turn slowly and <pointing gun> comb your
hair]
>
quitting is easy... i've quit a thousand times [that's from
alt.author-mark.twain]
>
> Or maybe it's just a flash of some teenage egocentric anarchism.
> It's his big night, he's all worked up, he's a lonely kid, there are
not
> that many girls available...
> (This is scary - Am I defending this guy??!)
no! interpreting, not defending- in fact, i think you have successfully
enterred the head of the voice of the song. rock on.
that stuff on the easy chair that wasn't his....admission of
emission
> > omission...
>
> Thank you. Finally, I got the "it was not my own" part...
i would jump out of that easy chair pretty quickly, too, shouting
"what, ho!" and not necessarily with Shakespeare in mind [at least not
william]
>
> > yes!!! maybe he's a virgin...
>
> Definitely! And I don't think he's a fairy...
and he is decidedly NOT through with this buzzzzz
>
>
> > > Oh well, I suspect he managed to convince her in the end!
> >
> > and elsewhere
>
> Excuse me???
sorry. irresistable cheap shot. anatomical slur
>
> > > This
> > > guy is high on hormones, and doesn't seem very dangerous either.
> >
> > hormones are rilly dangerous. keep your guard up, kid.
>
> Yes, daddy :) But when rapists blame their testosterone/sexual urge,
> they're fooling themselves and others. That's just a big myth. Rape is
> not sex, it's abuse of power.
agree- but still suspect that hormones start wars. however, not meant as
a Dukakis-style [dukakasesque?] absolution, like the rapist is a victim
of his biochemical disaster area and shouldn't be blamed... but more of
a painful observation and a solemn prayer for peace. agree- the 15yr old
is not dangerous or we'd have a different song.
>
> > what do you think your 15yr old boy has found?
On second thoughts... So far I have dismissed the idea of a battery
> device. I mean, why would he need it?
>
> Well, I thought it was something as innocent as how the "facts of
life"
> could apply to him, or perhaps he found something wrapped in plastic
> that fell out of someone's pocket/wallet (or at the worst, he found a
> used one...)
> But I totally agree, this is "too benign for the Dan",
ah.
will pick it up right there tomorrow ;'/.><_=-83eio a cat is nosing my
keyboard 908+*//. also pawing. yes Rudy.
someone is hungry
David
%^%$8912,/.';
>
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> agree- but still suspect that hormones start wars.
Me too.
But some people also think that certain babies' hormones produce an urge
to wear blue instead of pink.
Was the famous male impersonator Ms Thatcher simply driven by ambition,
or would her blood sample show anything else? Does Ms Albright shave?
> ... but more of
> a painful observation and a solemn prayer for peace.
The United Nations is in (yellow) peril of failing again, so let's just
pray.
Siri