2nd arrangement all over again
Corvid
Jerry Seinfeld: "What's the deal with the '2nd Arrangement'? I just
grabbed it off Andy Metzger's excellent site (kudos to you) and it blows
away some of the stuff that actually made it to the "Graucho" album.( SP
intentional)
My painfully sincere question is this: If this track was accidentally
erased, as the story goes, where the hell did Andy get it, and why hasn't it
been released???
It's, like someone said in this group a coupla/three weeks ago, one of their
best songs. Also, "Talkin' 'Bout My Home" and "I Can't Write Home About
You" are excellent songs. Being a Naive Canadian, can someone in the know
(wink, wink, nudge nudge) please post the skinny on this mystery?
KidCharlem
third of the song was. The versions you will hear on various sites and such
are not the final cut, and as such, apparently did not live up to Walter and
Donald's specs.
Matt
Howard Wright
I've never been totally sure about this. I've heard extracts from two
very different sounding versions of the second arrangement.
One has not-so-good quality sound, slightly rough vocals, but an
excellent overall feel.
The other is good quality sound, but not such a good feel/groove.
My interpretation is that the first one is a "work-in-progress" version
of the version that was later destroyed. The vocals are rough because
they are the guide vocals, not the final vocals. As I understand it, the
track was wiped before they finished recording it, and it sounds like
the final vocals and guitar fills etc had yet to be done. I figure
someone in the studio took a sly copy of it, before it was finished, and
it ended up being copied to cassette umpteen times after the master was
wiped - hence the not-so-good sound quality.
The second version is probably the remake - not such a good feel, hence
they didn't bother to complete it. This has better quality because it's
obviously easier to get hold of the masters to copy it.
Howard
Marc Ziegenhagen
two different versions. I've never heard the 2nd one, but from what I've
heard about it and what you described (that they tried to re-do the song
in post-erase haste but could never get the feel of the 1st one), my guess
is that you're dead-on with this guess.
MZ
In article <381837...@souzoukakia.netscapeonline.co.uk>, Howard Wright
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added a nice horn section to it, and notched up the tempo a bit.
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>You should check out the Steely Damned's version (www.steelydamned.com) they
>added a nice horn section to it, and notched up the tempo a bit.
I didn't realize they had Real Audio files up there. That's me on piano on
"Haitian Divorce".
MZ
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> Reading your article, I bet you're right, Howard, about the origins of the
> two different versions. I've never heard the 2nd one, but from what I've
> heard about it and what you described (that they tried to re-do the song
> in post-erase haste but could never get the feel of the 1st one), my guess
> is that you're dead-on with this guess.
>
Take a look at:
http://www.angelfire.com/il/babel7/sd.html
there are short snippets of the second arrangement. Soundbite 1 sounds
to
me like the version that got wiped. It's pretty much complete, though if
you get a chance to listen to the whole thing, you'll notice a few gaps
where I think they intended to put guitar fills. Also, I think the lead
vocals are
just "guide" vocals - they are not up to SD's standards of perfection.
Soundbite 2 sounds much cleaner, but doesn't have the same feel as
number 1.
(hard to compare, as they are different sections of the song, but number
2
just doesn't grab me the same way as number 1 does).
I reckon number 2 is the remake, which just didn't work out, so they
left it.
Soundbite 3 is also interesting - an early piano and bass demo version.
Howard
John Lawler
from what I agree was an early version of the original (erased) has that
Wendell Glamour Profession disco groove. On Soundbite 2, that definitely
sounds like Jeff Porcaro on drums (listen to his work on the Gaucho title
track). I do like the feel and use of a real drummer of his caliber. On
the 2nd arrangement of The 2nd arrangement you can really hear some
similarities between this song and the title track for The Nightfly.
Talkin' Bout my Home has really grown on me. There are some chord
changes in this semi-demo with bass and piano that remind me of Kulee Baba.
There are perfect spaces in the middle and ends of the song for incindiary
solos by say Larry Carlton.
Add I Can't Write Home About You and if there had been CDs back them,
you'd have an extraordinary album of full CD length...not that the original
Gaucho is a slouch, but what could have been! Still the styles of 3 of the
4 are not consistent with the rest of Gaucho, but so what?
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accidentally
erased, as the story goes, where the hell did Andy get it, and why hasn't it
been released???
It's, like someone said in this group a coupla/three weeks ago, one of their
best songs. Also, "Talkin' 'Bout My Home" and "I Can't Write Home About
You" are excellent songs. Being a Naive Canadian, can someone in the know
(wink, wink, nudge nudge) please post the skinny on this mystery?"
It was the final version of the track that was erased; earlier versions
exist and are available at all those places where we get
not-quite-legitimate music, like the other two songs you mentioned. One
could interpret one of the tiles indicating the content of the New One at
the Steely Dan website as suggesting the Second Arrangement (the one with
the two women), and I would be delighted if it were on the New One. But
this would be different from the final version recorded for Gaucho, which
is, alas, lost forever.
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Corvid
that were just fine to begin with. There's been a lot of discussion lately
about the inclusion of a few of these Gaucho-era songs on the so-called "New
One." I'm as hopeful as anyone else who's a complete & utter fanatic about
the Dan, but speaking from a songwriter's perspective, there's a good chance
that Fagen at least, doesn't want to revisit 20 year old tunes and put them
onto a new release. They've had a little time to write some new stuff.
What I was hoping for would be an official rarities collection with all the
unreleased, nearly-erased, and quality B-sides. Again, I'm hoping against
hope, as I've read often enough that Donny boy wants no part of these songs.
However, they also denied the reforming of Steely Dan for quite a while, so
it's all speculation, what we here in this NG do best!!
Khoers,
Corvid
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version which was later erased. Some engineer must have kept a copy and
distributed it later SD did try to start from scratch, but were not
satisfied with the result. I actually like it (Soundbite 2) a lot because
it has more of a jumpy and less stiff rhythm.
The more I hear Talkin' 'Bout my Home the more it reminds me of Ray
Charles. I don't know why.