WDAS Top 105 "Greatest Oldies Of All Time", 1981 list
yougotl...@yahoo.com
survey of musical favorites from (DJ) Harvey Holiday's (then) top-
rated show on Sunday night that ran from 7 pm to Midnight on African-
American oriented WDAS-FM in those days. These votes were not
solicited over the telephone, much less then non-existent e-mail of
his listeners, who had to mail in (snail mail) their Top 10 favorite
oldies if they wanted their votes counted (mainly Soul or R&B as it
was wont to be) with their # 1 on mailed-in list getting 10 points, #
2 getting 9 points and so on down to # 10, which was awarded 1 point
in the calculations. So-called "tie" situations were either those
where there was an actual tie in terms of vote-points, or they were so
close
that Holiday took it upon himself to grant these records a virtual
tie
so that - in his words - he could get more oldies into the countdown.
But the voting had to be very close, I suppose within a handful of
votes cast and Mr. Holiday said thousands of votes were received, and
I remember
him quoting for one of these years that they staged these survey-
contests that upwards of 700 different records received votes.
HARVEY HOLIDAY SHOW - WDAS-FM
BROADCAST DECEMBER 20, AND DECEMBER 27, 1981
1. Ooh Baby Baby - Miracles
2. For Your Precious Love - Jerry Butler & The Impressions
3. Stay In My Corner - The Dells (the remake)
4. I Am Your Man - Bobby Taylor & The Vancouvers
5. Purple Raindrops - Stevie Wonder
6. I Only Meant To Wet My Feet - The Whispers
7. My Girl - Temptations
8. Can You Love A Poor Boy? - Miracles
9. Hypnotized - Linda Jones
10. The Love We Had Stays On My Mind – The Dells
11. A House Is Not A Home - Mavis Staples
12. Just My Imagination - Temptations
13. It’s So Hard To Say Goodbye – G. C. Cameron
14. Love On A 2-Way Street - Moments
15 I Only Have Eyes For You - Flamingos
16. Born To Love You - Temptations
17. I’m Still Here – Notations
18. Ask The Lonely - 4 Tops
19. Always And Forever – Heatwave
20. Tracks Of My Tears/Fork In The Road - Miracles
21. Baby I'm For Real/The Bells - Originals
22. La La Means I Love You – Delfonics
23. I Do Love You (single mono) - Billy Stewart
24. (I’m Just An) Average Guy – Masqueraders
25. Never Gonna Give You Up - Jerry Butler
26. Sad Girl - Jay Wiggins
27. What Love Has Joined Together – Tempations
28. If This World Were Mine - Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell
29. (It's A) Thin Line Between Love And Hate – Persuaders
30 . I Had A Talk With My Man - Mitty Collier
31 . In The Still Of The Night - 5 Satins / Daddy's Home - Shep & The
Limelites (tie)
32. Going In Circles - Friends Of Distinction
33. Have You Seen Her? - Chi-Lites
34 . Heat Wave - Martha & The Vandellas
35. Here I Go Again - Miracles
36. Come Closer To Me /Whatever Hurts You - Mad Lads (tie)
37. Hey Love - Stevie Wonder
38. I Love You 1000 Times - Platters / So I Can Love You - Emotions
(tie)
39. Peace Of Mind - Magnificent Men
40. When A Man Loves A Woman - Percy Sledge
41. You Can’t Hurry Love - Supremes
42. You're My Everything – Temptations / This Old Heart Of Mine -
Isley Brothers (tie)
43. A Change Is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke
44. The Sweeter He Is - Soul Children
45. Your Precious Love - Marvin & Tammi / Wildflower – New Birth
(tie)
46. Tell Him - Patti Drew
47. I Can't Help Myself - 4 Tops
48. I Wonder - The Pentagons
49. Bad Girl – Miracles / So Nice - The Mad Lads (tie)
50. The Court Of Love / The Beginning Of My End - Unifics (tie)
51. Forever - The Marvelettes
52. The Tears Of A Clown - Miracles
53. 10 Commandments Of Love – Moonglows
54. Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Marvin & Tammi
55. I'm The One Love Forgot - The Manhattans
56. Lost Someone - James Brown
57. Ain't No Way - Aretha Franklin
58. We’ve Come Too Far To End It Now – Miracles / Step Into My World
– Magic Touch (tie)
59. Only You / The Great Pretender – Platters (tie)
60. Since I Don't Have You - Skyliners
61. Try A Little Tenderness - Otis Redding
62. Rainy Day Bells - Globetrotters
63. Reasons – Earth, Wind & Fire
64. Every Little Bit Hurts – Brenda Hollaway
65. Giving Up / Neither One Of Us - Gladys Knight & The Pips (tie)
66. Ain't Understanding Mellow - Jerry Butler & Brenda Lee Eager
67. I'm So Proud - The Impressions
68 . I Gave To You – Delfonics
69. I'll Try Something New – Miracles
70. Make Me Yours – Bettye Swann / My Baby Loves Me – Martha & The
Vandellas (tie)
71. With A Child's Heart - Stevie Wonder
72. Respect – Aretha Franklin
73. What Becomes Of The Broken-Hearted - Jimmy Ruffin / You’ll Lose A
Precious Love –
Temptations (tie)
74. Oh What A Nite – Dells
75. Trying To Hold On To My Woman – Lamont Dozier
76. Let’s Get It On / Distant Lover – Marvin Gaye (tie)
77. Down The Aisle - Patti LaBelle & The Blue Bells
78. Teardrops - Lee Andrews & The Hearts
79. You’ve Really Got A Hold On Me / Happy Landing – Miracles (tie)
80. Tears On My Pillow - Little Anthony & The Imperials
81. In The Rain – The Dramatics
82. Since I Lost My Baby – Temptations
83. Midnight Train To Georgia – Gladys Knight & The Pips
84. Lonely Teardrops – Jackie Wilson
85. Malinda – Bobby Taylor & The Vancouvers
86. Gypsy Woman – Impressions
87. Maybe – Chantels
88. For The Good Times – Al Green
89. Someday We’ll Be Together – Supremes
90. Rainbow – Gene Chandler / Try Me – James Brown (tie)
91. Sincerely – Moonglows
92. Natural High – Bloodstone
93. I’ll Be There – Jackson Five
94. Depend On Me / Would I Love You – Miracles (tie)
95. Gonna Be Strong / Together – Intruders (tie)
96. You’ve Been Untrue – Delfonics
97. Prisoner Of Love / Please Please Please – James Brown (tie)
98. Cry Baby – Garnett Mimms & The Enchanters / I Wish It Would Rain
– Temptations (tie)
99. Human – Tommy Hunt
100. I Want Someone – Mad Lads
101. Why Do Fools Fall In Love – Frankie Lymon & Teenagers /If Loving
You Is Wrong –
Luther Ingram (tie)
102. You’ve Lost That Loving Feeling – Righteous Brothers
103. Misty Blue – Dorothy Moore
104. You Send Me – Sam Cooke / My Guy – Mary Wells
105. Day By Day – Continental Four
No. 1 Album: In A Mellow Mood - The Temptations
[end quote]
{Poster's note: Why 105? Because WDAS broadcasts/ed at 104.5 on the
FM dial.}
L.I. - I'd be interested to get some opinions on this list. With
1981, there are a lot of "30-somethings" in the listening audience,
as they were called then, who grew up with a lot, if not most of
these
records. Love songs, not funk, ruled with this audience. Compare
with earlier 1979 list I posted a couple of months earlier, and you
can see that many songs repeated – ergo, favorites year in and year
out.
Jack G.
enjoy today. Just out of curiosity, because I am not familiar with all of
the groups, besides the Righteous Brothers, are there any other white
artists included?
Jack G.
50s
# 39 and # 60.
Mr. M
>105. Day By Day – Continental Four
>
>
>Good song, surprised it's on the list - I mentioned it a while back. I don't
know if anybody else remembers the song.
MN
Vladimir
>On Jan 26, 10:49=A0pm, "Jack G." <deletejgrou...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> LOTS of very listenable music on that list, =A0things I enjoyed then and =
>still
>> enjoy today. =A0Just out of curiosity, because I am not familiar with all=
> of
>> the groups, besides the Righteous Brothers, are there any other white
>> artists included?
>>
>> Jack G.
>
># 39 and # 60.
>
That's far too many white artists.
Smells of racism.
Notify EEOC.
50s
Of course loads of people remember the song, it's a soulo classic.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
The Skyliners' "Since I Don't Have You" has always been a perennial on
these yearly surveys, whenever I was listening or participating.
That is
higher up on the list.
Also, "Peace Of Mind" by The Magnificent Men (a great, great,
indisputably
great record by the way) has also always been a repeat visitor to
these
surveys, is also on the list.
The target audience, of this African-American owned and operated
station
was alway Philadelphia's large urban black population, but the show
attracted a lot of white listeners like myself. The host, Harvey
Holiday
was/is Jewish, though, and in their non-discrimatory policy or
philosophy
they had a couple of white DJ's working within their 24/7 programming,
but
Holiday was mostly in administration, and only had this 5 hour Sunday
night once a week show, that ran from 7 pm to midnight - the only
dedicated
segment that WDAS had on its weekly programming. The rest of the
week, whenever there wasn't talk radio (black hosts), Gospel
programming, and such, you could hear the latest music oriented to
black audiences at the time - that is, you could hear the funk of
Parliament, or the Between The Sheets stuff (later in the evening?) of
a Teddy Pendergrass, or surely
during the day, Michael Jackson, etc. The other white "heavy", was
Joe "Butterball" Tamburro, also, surely one the 10 most important DJ's
in Philly radio history, as was the "dean" of Philly air
personalities, the
late Georgie Woods ("The Guy With The Goods").
yougotl...@yahoo.com
listen to the whole pair of 5-hour shows (Holiday could run
commericials galore, and he often spoke for minute or so about each
list entry on the night the survey was presented every year), that I
can't remember "Earth Angel" by The Penguins ever making any of these
Top 105 [Favorites of All Time] lists that
WDAS listening public voted on. Sure, we were aware of the record in
Philadelphia, but I guess not too many people had Earth Angel on their
lists or near the top of their top 10 that they wrote in to submit;
here are the 50's style group sides that did make the list:
> 2. For Your Precious Love - Jerry Butler & The Impressions
> 15 I Only Have Eyes For You - Flamingos
> 31 . In The Still Of The Night - 5 Satins / Daddy's Home - Shep & The
> Limelites (tie)
> 48. I Wonder - The Pentagons
> 49. Bad Girl – Miracles
> 53. 10 Commandments Of Love – Moonglows
> 59. Only You / The Great Pretender – Platters (tie)
> 60. Since I Don't Have You - Skyliners
> 62. Rainy Day Bells - Globetrotters
> 74. Oh What A Nite – Dells
> 77. Down The Aisle - Patti LaBelle & The Blue Bells
> 78. Teardrops - Lee Andrews & The Hearts
> 80. Tears On My Pillow - Little Anthony & The Imperials
> 87. Maybe – Chantels
> 91. Sincerely – Moonglows
> 101. Why Do Fools Fall In Love – Frankie Lymon & Teenagers
I think Earth Angel owed a lot of its popularity to Cousin Brucie
(Bruce Morrow of WABC in New York) playing that one a lot on his
Saturday night oldies hour on WABC back in the 60's, keeping that one
not only alive,
but in the consciousness of the 40 states and provinces WABC's signal
reached at night. If WABC played a record, or Cousin Brucie was
behind
a record, that's all it usually needed to reach immortality. But
without
question, # 2, # 15, and the 5 Satins records were probably the all-
time
favorite group sides in Philly, judging by the annual voting patterns
of WDAS listeners. Sincerely by the Moonglows has been higher up on
the list in the past, such as position # 19, but not this year, and
the Dells' 1956 version of Oh What A Nite, was a frequent, if not
always, list entry. Sometimes an additional white record, (or mixed
group) record by Del-Vikings or another Skyliners record, or even the
Mello-Kings would make
the list, but oddly enough, no Earth Angel. In some years, "The
Wind"
has also made the list.
The brevity of the list, though, in NO way indicates the limitations
of he playlist, either. Dedicated listeners probably heard from the
1000's upon 10,000's or records in Holiday's personal collection.
Myself, I prefer
slightly the 1979 survey I posted several weeks ago late last year,
which
you can compare with this one here:
BobbyM
news:5981f4de-112f-412b...@a5g2000yqi.googlegroups.com...
> I think Earth Angel owed a lot of its popularity to Cousin Brucie
> (Bruce Morrow of WABC in New York) playing that one a lot on his
> Saturday night oldies hour on WABC back in the 60's, keeping that one
> not only alive, but in the consciousness of the 40 states and provinces
> WABC's signal
> reached at night. If WABC played a record, or Cousin Brucie was
> behind a record, that's all it usually needed to reach immortality.
You're giving Brucie way too much credit in your attempt to discredit the
greatness that is "Earth Angel".
I never heard WABC or Brucie until the early 80's (when he was no longer on
WABC), but I was well aware of the stature that Earth Angel rightfully held
& continues to hold.
Scarlotti
> <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Or, perhaps the *hit* version of Earth Angel that everybody remembered
was by The Crew-Cuts?
:-D
BobbyM
news:c5dd0cf6-da9c-4a09...@c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
Yeah, I always make sure to remember to forget it.
Ken Whiton
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<c5dd0cf6-da9c-4a09...@c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
*-* Scarlotti wrote
*-* About Re: WDAS Top 105 "Greatest Oldies Of All Time", 1981 list
> :-D
Doubtful. ;-) In this case, there wasn't that much difference
between the chart performances of the two versions. The Crew Cuts'
version peaked at #3 and spent 13 weeks on the Billboard Pop chart.
The Penguins' version peaked at #8, spent 15 weeks on the Billboard
Pop chart, and preceded the Crew Cuts' version on the chart by 1 1/2
months.
Ken Whiton
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Uni
> 11. A House Is Not A Home - Mavis Staples
> 12. Just My Imagination - Temptations
> 14. Love On A 2-Way Street - Moments
> 15 I Only Have Eyes For You - Flamingos
> 16. Born To Love You - Temptations
> 18. Ask The Lonely - 4 Tops
> 20. Tracks Of My Tears/Fork In The Road - Miracles
> 21. Baby I'm For Real/The Bells - Originals
> 23. I Do Love You (single mono) - Billy Stewart
> 25. Never Gonna Give You Up - Jerry Butler
> 26. Sad Girl - Jay Wiggins
> 28. If This World Were Mine - Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell
> 30 . I Had A Talk With My Man - Mitty Collier
> 31 . In The Still Of The Night - 5 Satins / Daddy's Home - Shep & The
> Limelites (tie)
> 32. Going In Circles - Friends Of Distinction
> 33. Have You Seen Her? - Chi-Lites
> 34 . Heat Wave - Martha & The Vandellas
> 35. Here I Go Again - Miracles
> 36. Come Closer To Me /Whatever Hurts You - Mad Lads (tie)
> 37. Hey Love - Stevie Wonder
> 38. I Love You 1000 Times - Platters / So I Can Love You - Emotions
> (tie)
> 39. Peace Of Mind - Magnificent Men
> 40. When A Man Loves A Woman - Percy Sledge
> 42. You're My Everything � Temptations / This Old Heart Of Mine -
> Isley Brothers (tie)
> 43. A Change Is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke
> 44. The Sweeter He Is - Soul Children
> (tie)
> 46. Tell Him - Patti Drew
> 47. I Can't Help Myself - 4 Tops
> 48. I Wonder - The Pentagons
> 50. The Court Of Love / The Beginning Of My End - Unifics (tie)
> 51. Forever - The Marvelettes
> 52. The Tears Of A Clown - Miracles
> 54. Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Marvin & Tammi
> 55. I'm The One Love Forgot - The Manhattans
> 56. Lost Someone - James Brown
> 57. Ain't No Way - Aretha Franklin
> � Magic Touch (tie)
> 59. Only You / The Great Pretender � Platters (tie)
> 60. Since I Don't Have You - Skyliners
> 61. Try A Little Tenderness - Otis Redding
> 62. Rainy Day Bells - Globetrotters
With Neil Sedaka singing lead, in Stereo!!!...
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/rainybells-ns.mp3
Unpublished!
Uni ;-)
> 63. Reasons � Earth, Wind & Fire
> 64. Every Little Bit Hurts � Brenda Hollaway
> 65. Giving Up / Neither One Of Us - Gladys Knight & The Pips (tie)
> 66. Ain't Understanding Mellow - Jerry Butler & Brenda Lee Eager
> 67. I'm So Proud - The Impressions
> 68 . I Gave To You � Delfonics
> 69. I'll Try Something New � Miracles
> 70. Make Me Yours � Bettye Swann / My Baby Loves Me � Martha & The
> Vandellas (tie)
> 71. With A Child's Heart - Stevie Wonder
> 72. Respect � Aretha Franklin
> 73. What Becomes Of The Broken-Hearted - Jimmy Ruffin / You�ll Lose A
> Precious Love �
> Temptations (tie)
> 74. Oh What A Nite � Dells
> 75. Trying To Hold On To My Woman � Lamont Dozier
> 76. Let�s Get It On / Distant Lover � Marvin Gaye (tie)
> 77. Down The Aisle - Patti LaBelle & The Blue Bells
> 78. Teardrops - Lee Andrews & The Hearts
> 79. You�ve Really Got A Hold On Me / Happy Landing � Miracles (tie)
> 80. Tears On My Pillow - Little Anthony & The Imperials
> 81. In The Rain � The Dramatics
> 82. Since I Lost My Baby � Temptations
> 83. Midnight Train To Georgia � Gladys Knight & The Pips
> 84. Lonely Teardrops � Jackie Wilson
> 85. Malinda � Bobby Taylor & The Vancouvers
> 86. Gypsy Woman � Impressions
> 87. Maybe � Chantels
> 88. For The Good Times � Al Green
> 89. Someday We�ll Be Together � Supremes
> 90. Rainbow � Gene Chandler / Try Me � James Brown (tie)
> 91. Sincerely � Moonglows
> 92. Natural High � Bloodstone
> 93. I�ll Be There � Jackson Five
> 94. Depend On Me / Would I Love You � Miracles (tie)
> 95. Gonna Be Strong / Together � Intruders (tie)
> 96. You�ve Been Untrue � Delfonics
> 97. Prisoner Of Love / Please Please Please � James Brown (tie)
> 98. Cry Baby � Garnett Mimms & The Enchanters / I Wish It Would Rain
> � Temptations (tie)
> 99. Human � Tommy Hunt
> 100. I Want Someone � Mad Lads
> 101. Why Do Fools Fall In Love � Frankie Lymon & Teenagers /If Loving
> You Is Wrong �
> Luther Ingram (tie)
> 102. You�ve Lost That Loving Feeling � Righteous Brothers
> 103. Misty Blue � Dorothy Moore
> 104. You Send Me � Sam Cooke / My Guy � Mary Wells
> 105. Day By Day � Continental Four
>
>
> No. 1 Album: In A Mellow Mood - The Temptations
> [end quote]
>
> {Poster's note: Why 105? Because WDAS broadcasts/ed at 104.5 on the
> FM dial.}
>
> L.I. - I'd be interested to get some opinions on this list. With
> 1981, there are a lot of "30-somethings" in the listening audience,
> as they were called then, who grew up with a lot, if not most of
> these
> records. Love songs, not funk, ruled with this audience. Compare
> with earlier 1979 list I posted a couple of months earlier, and you
> can see that many songs repeated � ergo, favorites year in and year
> out.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
> > 11. A House Is Not A Home - Mavis Staples
> > 12. Just My Imagination - Temptations
> > 14. Love On A 2-Way Street - Moments
> > 15 I Only Have Eyes For You - Flamingos
> > 16. Born To Love You - Temptations
> > 18. Ask The Lonely - 4 Tops
> > 20. Tracks Of My Tears/Fork In The Road - Miracles
> > 21. Baby I'm For Real/The Bells - Originals
> > 23. I Do Love You (single mono) - Billy Stewart
> > 25. Never Gonna Give You Up - Jerry Butler
> > 26. Sad Girl - Jay Wiggins
> > 28. If This World Were Mine - Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell
> > 30 . I Had A Talk With My Man - Mitty Collier
> > 31 . In The Still Of The Night - 5 Satins / Daddy's Home - Shep & The
> > Limelites (tie)
> > 32. Going In Circles - Friends Of Distinction
> > 33. Have You Seen Her? - Chi-Lites
> > 34 . Heat Wave - Martha & The Vandellas
> > 35. Here I Go Again - Miracles
> > 36. Come Closer To Me /Whatever Hurts You - Mad Lads (tie)
> > 37. Hey Love - Stevie Wonder
> > 38. I Love You 1000 Times - Platters / So I Can Love You - Emotions
> > (tie)
> > 39. Peace Of Mind - Magnificent Men
> > 40. When A Man Loves A Woman - Percy Sledge
> > 42. You're My Everything – Temptations / This Old Heart Of Mine -
> > Isley Brothers (tie)
> > 43. A Change Is Gonna Come - Sam Cooke
> > 44. The Sweeter He Is - Soul Children
> > (tie)
> > 46. Tell Him - Patti Drew
> > 47. I Can't Help Myself - 4 Tops
> > 48. I Wonder - The Pentagons
> > 50. The Court Of Love / The Beginning Of My End - Unifics (tie)
> > 51. Forever - The Marvelettes
> > 52. The Tears Of A Clown - Miracles
> > 54. Ain't No Mountain High Enough - Marvin & Tammi
> > 55. I'm The One Love Forgot - The Manhattans
> > 56. Lost Someone - James Brown
> > 57. Ain't No Way - Aretha Franklin
> > – Magic Touch (tie)
> > 59. Only You / The Great Pretender – Platters (tie)
> > 60. Since I Don't Have You - Skyliners
> > 61. Try A Little Tenderness - Otis Redding
> > 62. Rainy Day Bells - Globetrotters
>
> With Neil Sedaka singing lead, in Stereo!!!...
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/empire/abpsp/images/rainybells-ns.mp3
>
> Unpublished!
>
> Uni ;-)
>
>
>
> > 64. Every Little Bit Hurts – Brenda Hollaway
> > 65. Giving Up / Neither One Of Us - Gladys Knight & The Pips (tie)
> > 66. Ain't Understanding Mellow - Jerry Butler & Brenda Lee Eager
> > 67. I'm So Proud - The Impressions
> > 69. I'll Try Something New – Miracles
> > 70. Make Me Yours – Bettye Swann / My Baby Loves Me – Martha & The
> > Vandellas (tie)
> > 71. With A Child's Heart - Stevie Wonder
> > 73. What Becomes Of The Broken-Hearted - Jimmy Ruffin / You’ll Lose A
> > Precious Love –
> > Temptations (tie)
> > 74. Oh What A Nite – Dells
> > 75. Trying To Hold On To My Woman – Lamont Dozier
> > 76. Let’s Get It On / Distant Lover – Marvin Gaye (tie)
> > 77. Down The Aisle - Patti LaBelle & The Blue Bells
> > 78. Teardrops - Lee Andrews & The Hearts
> > 80. Tears On My Pillow - Little Anthony & The Imperials
> > 82. Since I Lost My Baby – Temptations
> > 83. Midnight Train To Georgia – Gladys Knight & The Pips
> > 84. Lonely Teardrops – Jackie Wilson
> > 85. Malinda – Bobby Taylor & The Vancouvers
> > 86. Gypsy Woman – Impressions
> > 87. Maybe – Chantels
> > 88. For The Good Times – Al Green
> > 89. Someday We’ll Be Together – Supremes
> > 90. Rainbow – Gene Chandler / Try Me – James Brown (tie)
> > 91. Sincerely – Moonglows
> > 92. Natural High – Bloodstone
> > 93. I’ll Be There – Jackson Five
> > 94. Depend On Me / Would I Love You – Miracles (tie)
> > 95. Gonna Be Strong / Together – Intruders (tie)
> > 96. You’ve Been Untrue – Delfonics
> > 97. Prisoner Of Love / Please Please Please – James Brown (tie)
> > 98. Cry Baby – Garnett Mimms & The Enchanters / I Wish It Would Rain
> > – Temptations (tie)
> > 99. Human – Tommy Hunt
> > 100. I Want Someone – Mad Lads
> > 101. Why Do Fools Fall In Love – Frankie Lymon & Teenagers /If Loving
> > You Is Wrong –
> > Luther Ingram (tie)
> > 103. Misty Blue – Dorothy Moore
> > 104. You Send Me – Sam Cooke / My Guy – Mary Wells
> > 105. Day By Day – Continental Four
>
> > No. 1 Album: In A Mellow Mood - The Temptations
> > [end quote]
>
> > {Poster's note: Why 105? Because WDAS broadcasts/ed at 104.5 on the
> > FM dial.}
>
> > L.I. - I'd be interested to get some opinions on this list. With
> > 1981, there are a lot of "30-somethings" in the listening audience,
> > as they were called then, who grew up with a lot, if not most of
> > these
> > records. Love songs, not funk, ruled with this audience. Compare
> > with earlier 1979 list I posted a couple of months earlier, and you
> > out.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
yougotl...@yahoo.com
THIS (the following, in the link), is the only version ever played on
Philadelphia radio that I know about; this is the version played on
the WDAS countdown that night (and other nights), and this is the
version popular down in Carolina Shag (dancing) country, too, for
their purposes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesivw-TrkY
Nice song, Neil, glad it was handed over at some point to this vocal
group. Does anyone know anymore about this group - not much
information on blank record sleeves, you know, or most collections?
50s
Why don't you ask some of your Philly DJs who you say are experts on
these things?
I'm sure they could tell you the names of the guys who are in the
Globetrotters.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
Holiday may have said something on the air about them a time or two,
but rarely says anything most times he plays the record other than
mentioning their name; I imagine he or Butterball know might
something about the group if anyone does. I wonder if there a
connection to the exhibition basketball comics by the same name;
obviously the rights to the name could have been an issue otherwise -
potentially, at least. Say if a couple of members of the basketball
(?) team were a part of this recording. Even if not the case, the
use of the rights to the name otherwise would be a curious thing.
50s
<yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2:48 pm, 50s <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 1, 2:14 pm, "yougotlucky...@yahoo.com"
>
> > <yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Uni (et al):
>
> > > THIS (the following, in the link), is the only version ever played on
> > > Philadelphia radio that I know about; this is the version played on
> > > the WDAS countdown that night (and other nights), and this is the
> > > version popular down in Carolina Shag (dancing) country, too, for
> > > their purposes:
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesivw-TrkY
>
> > > Nice song, Neil, glad it was handed over at some point to this vocal
> > > group. Does anyone know anymore about this group - not much
> > > information on blank record sleeves, you know, or most collections?
>
> > Why don't you ask some of your Philly DJs who you say are experts on
> > these things?
>
> > I'm sure they could tell you the names of the guys who are in the
> > Globetrotters.
>
> Holiday may have said something on the air about them a time or two,
> but rarely says anything most times he plays the record other than
> mentioning their name;
That's because he doesn't know anything beyond what he can read on the
label.
> I imagine he or Butterball know might
> something about the group if anyone does.
Butter Fucking Ball?
What about Roger Ford or Bruce Grossberg?
You don't actually think that some fucking DJ knows more about these
artists than people like us, do you?
It's common knowledge in our circles as to who are the people who sing
on that record.
Chris S.
>
> You don't actually think that some fucking DJ knows more about these
> artists than people like us, do you?
>
> It's common knowledge in our circles as to who are the people who sing
> on that record.
Gotta go with Bruce on this point...and I'm a former DJ.
Yes, I liked to read up on the stuff I was playing and was "that guy"
who was recommended whenever someone called up to ask about a
particularly tough "what was this song?" lyric...but for the most part
DJs are hired for their voices and the way they carry themselves on
air, not for any particular knowledge.
In fact, I didn't know when I was merely a listener...but while Casey
Kasem seemed to know all kinds of stuff about the songs he played, the
fact was he was reading the notes provided to him by his production
staff. Same goes for many of the big-city DJs, they provide the voice
and the nameless "behind-the-scenes" helpers do the yeoman's work of
making him (or her) look super-smart.
Uni
> On Feb 1, 4:33 pm, 50s <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>You don't actually think that some fucking DJ knows more about these
>>artists than people like us, do you?
>>
>>It's common knowledge in our circles as to who are the people who sing
>>on that record.
>
>
>
> Gotta go with Bruce on this point...and I'm a former DJ.
DJs, to me, were a dime a dozen. Just spun records. Never learned
anything interesting. Kasem made mistakes with his claims. Dick Bartley
was good for rare stereo, but I have him beat!
Uni
Uni
You mean Roger Ford who was incorrect about the Sea Cruise singer? :-)
Uni
yougotl...@yahoo.com
Leaving aside Roger Ford's acumen or depth of knowledge for the
moment, which hadn't been my intention to question, if it came to a
choice of whose knowledge I would trust, yours or Tamburro's
(Butterball's), I'll go with the latter.
http://www.philadelphiamusicalliance.org/bios/tamburro.htm
As you can read from the above link, this guy has had a job
broadcasting Soul (especially Old Soul and Rhythm & Blues) since 1964
- over 45 years! - at African-American oriented WDAS (even though he
is Italian), and black music like that has always been his first
love...he is deeply connected and trusted by the black community in
Philadelphia - his wife is black, as well, FWIW.
Quoting from Philadelphia Music Alliance web-site
JOE "BUTTERBALL" TAMBURRO
b. 1942
Inducted 1997
"Joe "Butterball" Tamburro, program director and DJ at Philadelphia’s
WDAS-FM, has been sending an atmosphere of warmth, emotion, and
remembrance across the airwaves for since 1964. The Butterball Show, a
musical tribute to the meaning of soul, portrays Tamburro's ability to
sense his listener's emotional pulse and convert it into musical
expressions.
Tamburro creates a special warmth for his listeners by talking to them
rather than at them. Best known for his oldies and the "love" portion
of his show, he receives loads of mail from appreciative listeners who
thank him for helping them remember the sounds.
An Italian-American from South Philadelphia, Tamburro was always an
avid radio listener and admirer of black rhythm and blues. Aspiring to
become a radio disk jockey, he played records at record hops around
town for Hy Lit, a popular Philadelphia DJ. In 1964, Tamburro got his
start in radio at WDAS as an advertising salesman. . He was nicknamed
“Butterball” by Jimmy Bishop, the program director at the time. Within
a few months he became a part-time DJ and began doing the first oldies
show on black radio. Listeners loved the show, and both Tamburro and
the show have remained a hit ever since."
[end quote]
yougotl...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Butterball was a long-time colleague of the late Georgie Woods, Jimmy
Bishop, and Jocko Henderson, who broadcasted on WDAS. He is a friend
of Harvey Holiday, and both he and Shively have guested on Holiday's
show when Holiday was also at WDAS before being offered the big money
(helps pay for children's educations) to jump to another station.
Butterball has filled in, in the past, on Holiday's Sunday Night Show
(Old R&B & Soul) on WDAS more than once, in the past, because
Butterball was the one person he could trust with the show (the same
show that produced the two surveys from 1979 and 1981 I shared here
with the group), because he shared the same depth of knowledge and
passion for these particular old sounds of R&B and Soul. In other
words, they run in the same circles. Even when Holiday, was now
ensconced after a long time at the "white" major (WOGL, the equivalent
of WCBS-FM in our town), he soliticited get well messages for
Butterball on the rival station (in the SAME time slot on Sundays)
when the latter was ill. This is all to say neither Butterball, nor
Holiday, nor Woods, nor Lit, were ordinary, run-of-the-mill, garden-
variety dee-jays as you
or that other poster, Chris S. imply, and you had to be here listening
to the music for many years to really know that.
It matters little to me when I am outnumbered, when I feel I'm
correct. Quantity never equated to quality in my book, anyway.
Mass stupidity and masses of people going on fool's errands in
commonplace in the world. It's in humanity's genes. Didn't too
many people vote for George Bush and his stupid, wasting, obscene war
in Iraq. Didn't Hitler not get democratically elected?
One can always find people willing to run a fool's errand following
the pied-piperish call of people behaving badly, and people behaving
badly is you to the T, Bruce.
Chris S.
<yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is all to say neither Butterball, nor
> Holiday, nor Woods, nor Lit, were ordinary, run-of-the-mill, garden-
> variety dee-jays as you
> or that other poster, Chris S. imply, and you had to be here listening
> to the music for many years to really know that.
>
Actually, I never implied he was.
What I said was that many people assumed DJs to be all-knowing simply
by virtue of the fact they always seemed to know what was going on
when the mic was open. I specifically mentioned Casey Kasem. I'm not
from Philly so I really don't know the air talent there.
I even mentioned that I was one of those jocks who made it a point to
know about what I was playing, perhaps Butterball was another one.
Those are special DJs indeed. However, in my travels, many of the guys
I worked with really couldn't care less about the music...they were
looking to sharpen their skills so they could get a better-paying gig
with a bigger station. Philly is one of those cities where that
doesn't happen as often.
I was merely pointing out that being a jock doesn't necessarily equate
to being knowledgeable. My comment was directed at Bruce's response,
not yours.
On with the discussion...and thanks for cluing me in on Butterball.
I'll check him out.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
No problem...I don't know him personally or really at all (I have
called up his show on WDAS on Sunday nights, tho), but I think you'll
find he has a very interesting resume...he is a good terms (if not too
close) with certain stars, even from out of town, like Smokey
Robinson, who once made a personal promotional appearance with the
"little (common) people" of Philadelphia, with Butterball. When he's
not at work, or with family, or hosting a dance or other errand, my
guess is he loves to talk records, as he did one night helping host
Smokey Robinson with Harvey Holiday live at WDAS for more than a
couple of hours long ago on the radio.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Harvey Holiday, too, is very knowledgeable, and you can hear him host
the Sunday night doo-wop show on WOGL-FM (Oldies 98); a show, spawned
in part, by the growing interest in doo-wop and old group sounds
Charlie Horner helped keep alive for many years in Philadelphia.
Holiday has had all kinds of guests on his show now and then; many of
those revival doo-wop groups in particular (Neighbor's Complaint, but
many others down the years), but many stars of yesteryear, including
aforementioned S. Robinson, but also William "Pudgy" (pronounce poo-
gee) Hart of the Delfonics, and an interview that was just gold, pure
gold, with Lewis Lymon of Teenchords fame (Frankie's brother as you
know), a lengthy interview as well, from a few years ago or so. If
you can stream the live broadcast of WOGL on Sunday nights at 9 pm
U.S. Eastern time, I recommend you do so, for popular, rare and in-
between group sounds sprinkled with some old Soul throughout the
programming, very variegated, balanced and entertaining. And
educational....long before some folks "rediscovered" some sounds on
those Rhino Doo-Wop boxes when they came out, we'd been hearing them
here in Philadelphia
50s
Okay, then contact him to find out who was singing the Globetrotters.
I would have told you, but you chose Butterball.
I'm amazed that you are that stupid to believe that some guy who plays
records on the radio would be more knowledgable than someone like me,
but I guess that explains why you always have your tongue up the
assholes of all of these dopey Philly DJ's.
Maybe you also believed that Gus Gossert knew a lot about doo wops?
Amazing how gullable you are.
Phila-Fucking-Dopia.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
>
> - Show quoted text -
Is there a difference between a troll and someone with merely a very
troll-ish attitude?
# 1 - Consider the filthy-mouthed, filthy-minded source
#2 - Bow down before your alter of your vanity or pay homage to your
grandstanding in your own cause? Nah, we'll pay our respects
Popeye's way:
Salaam-i,
Salami,
BALONEY!!
yougotl...@yahoo.com
yougotl...@yahoo.com
L.I.: I strongly disagree, because are the consummate vain
curmugeon. Ergo,if you had wanted to tell me, you would have
volunteered the answer forthwith, like the normal people around here
do (where normal = mentally and socially well-adjusted) without
pathetic solicitation for props for yourself, or chomping at the bit
to spew out pejoratives (diagnosis: terminally "hard up" for (dishing
out) a put-down), BACK at your first opportunity to reply at 2:48 pm
on Feb. 1st the other day.
>
> I'm amazed that you are that stupid to believe that some guy who plays
> records on the radio would be more knowledgable than someone like me,
> but I guess that explains why you always have your tongue up the
> assholes of all of these dopey Philly DJ's.
>
> Maybe you also believed that Gus Gossert knew a lot about doo wops?
L.I. - I don't know Gus Gossert so I don't know what he knows or
doesn't know.
>
> Amazing how gullable you are.
L.I. - That's only true if you can establish from unimpeachable fact
that the old-school DJ's of Philadelphia, those with a passion for
Rhythm & Blues have less
knowledge than you, where it counts, and you haven't. The gullable,
then are really those that fall for your insufficient logic, that give
you a free pass to grandstand on trusting you to know the facts,
deeply, about these particular people in a particular sphere of the
Philadelphia radio industry, whom you don't know, and haven't audited
(or listened to) their backgrounds beyond what appears to be
superficial surmise. And besides that, also what's really gullable
then, what's really amazing is the degree of contempt you msut have
for others' intelligence around here, in that you expect they wouldn't
hold you to a more rigorous standard of truth and proof to make such
claims, and 3rdly, what is also amazing here, is if you really believe
you've established with any kind of intellectual, scholastic, logical
or legal rigor beyond even the most modest quantum of doubt the
superiority of your learning, and expect people to eat your words
right out of your hand, in a manner of speaking.
Auto-deception strikes. Translated: A legend in your own mind
>
> Phila-Fucking-Dopia.
How kind of you.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
<snip for brevity/point focus>
<snip>.... to find out who was singing the Globetrotters.
> I would have told you, but you chose Butterball.
Keep you knowledge, you curmugeonly peacock. Spare me, I don't
need it, and wouldn't ask for it, not for a instant longer than it
takes you to
start parading your wares of ignorant arrogance around that leads its
own
cheers. There are things more important than trivia, especially when
a self-deceiving fool like yourself even tries to entertain for one
moment the idea that he (yourself) might be able to get someone to
kiss his ass in exchange for giving out information hardly worth more
than an entry for "trivial pursuit".
Someone named Marshall McLuhan forty years or so ago wrote a book
entitled: "The Medium Is the Message", and here I'll just use only the
title
there to say, that the way you (or somebody or anybody) says something
is just as important, if not more important, than what you say.
Well-adjusted individuals with their head on straight don't go around
condescending other people in puffed-up shows turning this way and
that
way to assert their supremacy in displays of knowledge, but share
readily
without solicitations for homage to their vanity to dispense crumbs
from
their crummy mentality, but in a more modest and yes, generous
spirit,
and need I say also a friendly tone?
Try to tell a dead horse that this isn't a fact, and it'll kick your
brains out.
Larry
50s
<yougotlucky...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 2, 6:42 pm, 50s <Savo...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Amazing how gullable you are.
>
> L.I. - That's only true if you can establish from unimpeachable fact
> that the old-school DJ's of Philadelphia, those with a passion for
> Rhythm & Blues have less
> knowledge than you, where it counts, and you haven't.
I asked my friend who lived in Philly for 10 years about Butterball.
Here's what he said.....
I met Butterball in `95.His real name is Joe Tamburro & he started
working at WDAS in `67 when he was 18.. He wanted to borrow my
equipment to do a gig in Delaware back in `95. He had a POWER SURGE.
He doesn`t know shit about real Soul. He knows what`s on the Motown
anthologies, The 100 Philly Soul hits & a few 70`s & 80`s soul group
records. His show, which has been on Sunday Night forever was putrid
when I listened about once a year from `93-`03. It was stuff like
What`s Goin` On, Martha & The Vandellas, 70`s disco. If he played
anything good in the late 60`s when the records were new, he forgot
about it. His collection sucked, all he had were a bunch of used
motown reissues & Lp`s. You forgot more than he knows about soul, pal.
yougotl...@yahoo.com
I've referred to him many times long before your reply as Joe
"Butterball" Tamburro, and he started working at WDAS in 1964 - he was
on the air during all my high school years from the mid-60's so you're
off on the year by most of the time I was in high school, when he was
pitching Soul music in '64, '65, '66, etc.
You probably saw the music he brought to satellite or remote location
dances - the wasn't the extent of his collection or knowledge;
certainly Motown of the 60's and 70's, and 70's disco was popular at
the dances. Tamburro was born in 1942, and that means he came of age
at the height of the rhythm and blues movement (not to speak of
mainstream 50's rock and roll, too), and I'm sure the beginning of his
knowledge and interest began back then, when you could here minor
tracks on regular radio rotation that never became oldies in the well
known sense in the thereafter. Dances held at remote locations has
always had a number of virtures
for the air personalities in the Philly region: an extra paycheck, a
chance to get your name and station's profile raised in the local
area, and an increase of your
influence with a well-attended dance with both your immediate
superiors and the local radio industry in general - "to get a
following" in other words. The playlist
at a remote dance location is going to be different than what's on the
air (on radio);
you want to immediately connect with the dancers and people who have
shown up
by giving them a popular groove ("What's Goin On" or something
eminently danceable - fancy or slow, "La La Means I Love You" or
"Billie Jean", etc. etc.)
Just watching or listening to what somebody programs at the dance is
no way of judging their depth of knowledge. I'm damn sure he related
to a whole big more smack of records than his average audience member
at a dance could relate to, but the first order of business to engage
people's interest with your music that night you're playing for
them. Even the first 10 minutes, especially. You know the old
expression: You never get a 2nd chance to make a first impression.
