URGENT: Sonic Youth's gear STOLEN
Michael Daddino
this same post we have at different times and with oddly different
e-mail addresses. Now I don't want to jump to conclusions or anything,
but this smells a *little* hoax-like. Any independent confirmation that
this event happened and that concerned citizen/krak kak is THEE Lee (or
a reasonable facsimile thereof)?
If SY's stuff was indeed stolen, my heart goes out to them, and I
apologize for my knee-jerk skepticism.
If SY's stuff wasn't stolen, all I can say is that Craig Shergold lives.
--Mike
Cultural Artifact of the Moment: I just want to go record an' say that
Terry Fox's "Rallentando" is something special. And that I have honestly
no clue why I typed "and" as "an'".
concerned citizen wrote:
>
> URGENT/SY GEAR STOLEN!
>
> july 4 1999
> LA/Orange County
>
> Hello all, this is Lee from Sonic Youth here, we have had a fucked up
> situation
> come down on us over this last night--a brand new Ryder truck parked at a
> Ramada Inn in Orange County with ALL OF OUR GEAR IN IT was STOLEN! All of our
> guitars, tools, amplifiers, drums, synth -- EVERYTHING. We are fucked, both
> for the show tonight at the "This Ain't No Picnic" here in Orange Co., and for
> shows upcoming this week in Austin and Santa Fe. Our guitars are all mostly
> older and either very modified and/or fucked up/beat up. They are
> unmistakably
> ours, as are some of the amps, including my own 60s Fender Concert with the
> red/blue/yellow "Jasper Johns-style" target on it.
>
> We are asking ANYONE with ANY INFORMATION about this to get in touch with us
> as
> soon as possible by calling our man Aaron Blitzstein in New York City at
> 212.343.2314, or via email to "Masca...@aol.com". Call collect if you want
> to. Please no pranks, all, this is really serious--all the gear we've used to
> write our last few LPs worth of stuff, instruments used for songs old and new
> which if truly lost will mean those songs will be lost forever.
>
> Help us out if you can, there will be a reward for any info, I'm sure. All
> our
> road cases, etc, are fully marked up with our name on them, the gtrs are so
> unusual that they won't really be too hard to mistake. ANY info at all will
> be
> appreciated.
>
> If the thieves themselves read this, I'm sure we'd rather buy the stuff back
> from you than lose it forever (you fukkerz).
>
> here are some descriptions of gear:\
> drums: green satin flame 60s Gretch kit (w "paisley" glow in dark kik head
> Fender ToneMaster head and 4x12 cabinet
> Fender blackface Concert (4x10) w "Target design" spraypainted on front
> PeeVey RoadMaster Head
> Marshal 4x12 cab
> Mesa Boogie 400+ bass head/4x10 cab/18" cab
> Fender Bassman head (two!)/ 2x12 fender cab
>
> Fender presicion Bass
> Gibson Les Paul Jr w snoopy sticker
> Fender Jazzmasters and Jaguars--lots of 'em, mostly modified to hell (orig
> electronix pulled, diff p/u's etc) and usually way beat up.
> Travis Beans--1 koa wood, one red beat to shit
>
> White roadcase/briefcase full of gtr tools
>
> we will post more equip info later... thanks in advance for any help...
> PLEASE PASS THIS LIST ON TO ANYONE WHO MIGHT BE OF HELP!
>
> ---Lee/Sonic Youth
>
Osil
>Any independent confirmation that
>this event happened
mike watt sent me lee's message...
Chris Lawrence
days of Lollapalooza. I suspect that the "concerned citizen" is someone
who read Lee's message and forwarded it to alt.music.alternative
as I suggested, in order to spread the word out further. Thanks
to whomever did this. Let's all help to get this gear back in the
hands of its rightful owners!!
Chris
Ned 'the Nanite' Raggett
>
> I can confirm that KrakKak was Lee's old e-mail address back in the
> days of Lollapalooza.
A hoax this isn't. I was at the "This Ain't No Picnic" show today; the
gear was indeed stolen. This said, I can at least report that SY were
still able to do an excellent set with the borrowed equipment they
had from the other bands [don't have the full setlist to mind, but
among other things, "Mote", "Teenage Riot", "Sugar Kane," "Shadow of a Doubt,"
"White Cross," "Expressway to Yr Skull," "Death Valley 69"]. But they ain't
kidding, so if you can find out any information, report it to the
band as asked, because they need the help.
In brief for the rest of "Picnic" or what I saw of it -- Apples in
Stereo -- okayish, Get Up Kids -- fun!, Boredoms -- 35-minute building
and building space/Kraut/thrash jam, brilliant, Rocket From the
Crypt -- slightly slow start, but then poured it all on, my fave set of
the day; Guided by Voices -- better than expected; Superchunk --
surprisingly unlame but not great either; Sleater-Kinney -- fine stuff;
Sunny Day Real Estate -- useless overrated 'masters' of emo cliche.
If you will. ;-)
Must collapse; long day.
Ned
ned wondering when the hell I last had some proper sleep at kuci.org
Chris Lawrence
> Chris Lawrence wrote:
>>
>> I can confirm that KrakKak was Lee's old e-mail address back in the
>> days of Lollapalooza.
> A hoax this isn't. I was at the "This Ain't No Picnic" show today; the
> gear was indeed stolen. This said, I can at least report that SY were
> still able to do an excellent set with the borrowed equipment they
> had from the other bands [don't have the full setlist to mind, but
> among other things, "Mote", "Teenage Riot", "Sugar Kane," "Shadow of a Doubt,"
> "White Cross," "Expressway to Yr Skull," "Death Valley 69"]. But they ain't
> kidding, so if you can find out any information, report it to the
> band as asked, because they need the help.
I'm glad to hear the band still performed. Not many bands would even
bother. SY continue to amaze me.
hmm...
GGDDFF, GGDDEbEb, GGDDGG, GABDEG, GGBDGA, F#F#F#F#EB, F#F#GGAA, EG#EG#EG#
those are just some of the tunings needed for those songs... they must
have borrowed a lot of guitars! or done lots of tween-song tuning.
Continued best wishes in the quest for their gear.
Chris
Michael Daddino
>
> Chris Lawrence wrote:
> >
> > I can confirm that KrakKak was Lee's old e-mail address back in the
> > days of Lollapalooza.
>
> A hoax this isn't. I was at the "This Ain't No Picnic" show today; the
> gear was indeed stolen.
Well then, that just sucks on toast. Someone should go and forward Lee's
message to some of the newsgroups where people might buy and sell
guitars. (I'm not a gear-head -- instrument-specific magazines even make
me queasy -- so I don't have the slightest clue which ones those are.)
And someone should, I don't know, check E-bay maybe?
> This said, I can at least report that SY were
> still able to do an excellent set with the borrowed equipment they
> had from the other bands
This brings up something in Lee's note I'm kinda curious about. He sez
"instruments used for songs old and new which if truly lost will mean
those songs will be lost forever." Now even if the instruments they play
these songs on aren't the same, couldn't these songs be "translated"
onto other equipment? Couldn't other equipment be modified, retuned,
beat up to fit their needs? Or do their songs demand some evanescent
indefinables -- or even something more concrete -- that only these
*particular* instruments can offer? The fact that they went ahead and
performed anyway on other equipment suggests to me that they can proceed
on other equipment, even if for only a few select songs in their
catalog. And don't they have to deal with new equipment at fairly
regular intervals anyway? After all, no piece of equipment lasts
forever: sooner or later, everything will be replaced, even that guitar
Eric Fucking Clapton played "Layla" on that I'm sick, sick, sick of
hearing about. In SY's case, I bet it's sooner, considering how they
mangle their equipment on stage.
Now don't get me wrong here. I don't mean to make light or mock; far
from it. Even if they can "translate" old songs onto new instruments,
obviously it's still a bitch to *have* to do that, to take the time to
redo and relearn everything, especially all at once. Plus, the equipment
probably has personal value, and also simply costs an unpleasant amount
of money to replace. So I don't doubt that the equipment is
irreplaceable, I just want to understand in exactly what sense it is
irreplaceable.
Actually, I ask all this to start a thread more than anything. Egotism,
you know.
> But they ain't
> kidding, so if you can find out any information, report it to the
> band as asked, because they need the help.
O.K., O.K.! I was wrong! Waahh! Ricky, get me a scotch, etc.
> Rocket From the
> Crypt -- slightly slow start, but then poured it all on, my fave set of
> the day;
They are so fucking corny I can't stand it, but gawd, it works. Maybe I
just can't resist a band that wears matching outfits.
> Guided by Voices -- better than expected
I vaugely recall that you detest them (or should I say "him"?), and
quite frankly, you have plenty of reason to. But I've found they can be
amazingly potent live, especially the version of GBV that *doesn't* have
all the old guys, Sprout, etc.
> Sunny Day Real Estate -- useless overrated 'masters' of emo cliche.
> If you will. ;-)
Gosh, don't tell Andrew Hime that! Incidentally, where is Tha
Floroscopic Kid anyway?
--Mike
Cultural Artifact of the Moment: The irony is, that as I write this, I'm
sitting on an amp right now...and YES, it is my OWN, you weisenhiemers.
parat...@hotmail.com
wrote:
>And someone should, I don't know, check E-bay maybe?
If you're going to steal thousands of dollars worth of equipment,
would you try to sell it online where even your average kid with a
computer can easily trace the source and track you down? I
suppose stupidity is a prerequisite for stealing a van full of a
band's equipment, but I don't know about THAT level of stupidity.
Pawn shops are probably the best bet here for finding it if at all.
God, it gives me a sick feeling to my stomach, I can't even imagine
what that must be like to be SY here. For any other band this would
be a serious inconvenience and would genuinely suck, but I truly
believe Lee when he says that the spirit of the band is in their
equipment, which goes beyond the tangible or the financial. Fukkerz
is right.
Michael Daddino
>
> On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:57:18 -0400, Michael Daddino <mra...@ibm.net>
> wrote:
>
> >And someone should, I don't know, check E-bay maybe?
>
> If you're going to steal thousands of dollars worth of equipment,
> would you try to sell it online where even your average kid with a
> computer can easily trace the source and track you down?
I'm thinking of this scenario: guitar gets stolen, guitar gets sold in
pawn shop, guitar gets bought by someone who knows dick about SY, guy
offers thing on e-bay. It could happen.
> I
> suppose stupidity is a prerequisite for stealing a van full of a
> band's equipment, but I don't know about THAT level of stupidity.
Lord, when it comes to the stupidity of thieves, *anything* is possible.
--Mike
Cultural Artifact of the Moment:
http://www.deja.com/rate/item.xp?CID=11828&PDID=3180 (Making fun of *CBS
Sunday Morning* is cool.)
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parat...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 09:57:18 -0400, Michael Daddino <mra...@ibm.net>
> wrote:
>
> >And someone should, I don't know, check E-bay maybe?
>
> If you're going to steal thousands of dollars worth of equipment,
> would you try to sell it online where even your average kid with a
> computer can easily trace the source and track you down? I
> band's equipment, but I don't know about THAT level of stupidity.
>
> God, it gives me a sick feeling to my stomach, I can't even imagine
> what that must be like to be SY here. For any other band this would
> be a serious inconvenience and would genuinely suck, but I truly
> believe Lee when he says that the spirit of the band is in their
> equipment, which goes beyond the tangible or the financial. Fukkerz
> is right.
>
stolen the original masters of all those classic lps the way Lee
puts it. I'll be curious to see what happens when they get to Austin
in a few days,
np: tadpoles "happy feet"
>
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>In alt.music.sonic-youth Michael Daddino <mra...@ibm.net> wrote:
>> This brings up something in Lee's note I'm kinda curious about. He sez
>> "instruments used for songs old and new which if truly lost will mean
>> those songs will be lost forever." Now even if the instruments they play
>> these songs on aren't the same, couldn't these songs be "translated"
>> onto other equipment? Couldn't other equipment be modified, retuned,
>> beat up to fit their needs? Or do their songs demand some evanescent
>> indefinables -- or even something more concrete -- that only these
>> *particular* instruments can offer? The fact that they went ahead and
>> performed anyway on other equipment suggests to me that they can proceed
>> on other equipment, even if for only a few select songs in their
>> catalog. And don't they have to deal with new equipment at fairly
>> regular intervals anyway? After all, no piece of equipment lasts
>> forever: sooner or later, everything will be replaced, even that guitar
>> Eric Fucking Clapton played "Layla" on that I'm sick, sick, sick of
>> hearing about. In SY's case, I bet it's sooner, considering how they
>> mangle their equipment on stage.
>
>I can think of one specific instrument: The Drifter.
>
>They've had it since the first LP, it's a strange red (?) guitar
>that they tore all of the frets off of and equipped with bass strings.
>I guess whatever that did to it, they liked it, cuz Thurston has
>been using it on Eric's Trip up until Friday (played with a drumstick).
>So, there's one sound/tuning they'll likely never retrieve unless
>this gear is returned.
Maybe they should get into techo. And be the techo youth instead.
Sorta like the realness of The Sneaker Pimps rather than the
theoritcalness/dancyness of most techo bands.
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Tom Ewing
>Now don't get me wrong here. I don't mean to make light or mock; far
>from it. Even if they can "translate" old songs onto new instruments,
>obviously it's still a bitch to *have* to do that, to take the time to
>redo and relearn everything, especially all at once. Plus, the equipment
>probably has personal value, and also simply costs an unpleasant amount
>of money to replace. So I don't doubt that the equipment is
>irreplaceable, I just want to understand in exactly what sense it is
>irreplaceable.
This is what I'm interested in too. From a personal point of view, I
hope SY get their gear back as it's obviously important to them and to
their sound, and I like their sound and they seem like nice people
too. But on the other hand, I thought the whole *point* of SY was this
continual evolution, this breaking apart what can be done with the
guitar, this rejection of fixed-ness and encoded virtuosity. Aren't
the laments that SY will never again be able to play songs using 'The
Drifter' in the exact same way they always used to play them relatives
of the laments you hear regarding Dylan, that he doesn't play
note-perfect versions of all the old stuff? Aren't we supposed to have
got beyond wanting replications: don't we ask our artists to accept
challenges anymore, even if those challenges aren't in any way of
their choosing? By the live reports I've heard, it sounds like SY are
adapting, and adapting fast, to their changed circumstances. Shouldn't
we expect no less?
Cheers,
Tom.
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<mus...@islandnet.com> thought..:
>In alt.music.sonic-youth Michael Daddino <mra...@ibm.net> wrote:
>
>> This brings up something in Lee's note I'm kinda curious about. He sez
>> "instruments used for songs old and new which if truly lost will mean
>> those songs will be lost forever." Now even if the instruments they play
>> these songs on aren't the same, couldn't these songs be "translated"
>> onto other equipment? Couldn't other equipment be modified, retuned,
>> beat up to fit their needs? Or do their songs demand some evanescent
>> indefinables -- or even something more concrete -- that only these
>> *particular* instruments can offer? The fact that they went ahead and
>> performed anyway on other equipment suggests to me that they can proceed
>> on other equipment, even if for only a few select songs in their
>> catalog. And don't they have to deal with new equipment at fairly
>> regular intervals anyway? After all, no piece of equipment lasts
>> forever: sooner or later, everything will be replaced, even that guitar
>> Eric Fucking Clapton played "Layla" on that I'm sick, sick, sick of
>> hearing about. In SY's case, I bet it's sooner, considering how they
>> mangle their equipment on stage.
>
>I can think of one specific instrument: The Drifter.
>
>They've had it since the first LP, it's a strange red (?) guitar
>that they tore all of the frets off of and equipped with bass strings.
>I guess whatever that did to it, they liked it, cuz Thurston has
>been using it on Eric's Trip up until Friday (played with a drumstick).
>So, there's one sound/tuning they'll likely never retrieve unless
>this gear is returned.
>
>Chris
heh those guys would take one look at that guitar and either throw it
away or sell it for like 10 bucks
-lukewarm +hot for mail
run and hide page at deathsdoor.com/thens
Wilson Zorn
retrieving their stuff (and the thieves the worst) (btw, the fact we've yet
to see a debunking as well as some independent confirmation does seem to
mean this is not a hoax) it is true that SY has been slow to evolve/change
over the last decade. No insult intended, they've still done some fantastic
material and they have tried a few new things here and there, and at their
worst they're still better than 99% of other "progressive guitar bands" out
there. Anyway, one possible good outcome is that perhaps Sonic Youth will
rediscover some things in the process of readapting some things and casting
of some old equipment. I've often thought of how I would react if such a
thing happened to me, and I just don't know how much I'd be freaked out and
how much I could look ahead. Anyway, certainly in the end the best of luck
to Sonic Youth.
Tom Ewing <eb...@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7lrdt2$igm$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk...
HotelOpera
>
what's techo?
>Sorta like the realness of The Sneaker Pimps rather than the
>theoritcalness/dancyness of most techo bands.
the Sneaker Pimps have "realness"?
-a;
Box of fur
"instruments used for songs old and new which if truly lost will mean those
songs will be lost forever." >>
Sentimental Youth?
The 80's. The 90's are finito (almost.)
Year 2000: New sound for SY? Maybe?
The heist must suck toast, indeed, but maybe.....it's
.... "a good thing?"
- Martha Stewart
QuigPee
> I can think of one specific instrument: The Drifter.
>
And what about Thurston's guitar that looked like a mustang with three
pickups? I've never seen that before, I assume it's custom so that's gotta
be unmistakable. Hopefully we'll get a full list of what was stolen soon.
Dan Polichak
Wilson Zorn wrote in message <7lrtt1$r40$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>it is true that SY has been slow to evolve/change
>over the last decade. No insult intended, they've still done some
fantastic
>material and they have tried a few new things here and there
they've put out this decade are more similiar to each other than the albums
in the 80s.
these albums are dirty, ejstans, wm and 1k leaves. now compare 1000 leaves
to dirty or even ejstans. can u still say "they have tried a few new things
hear or there"? what exactly are u talking about? in the last two years sys
sound has by far changed more drastically than in any other period of their
career. heck the band that made dirty is now headlining jazz festivals and
playing in orchestral halls... jeez what do you want them to do to change
more? maybe some electro-klezmer? hmmm......
dan
Ned 'Prissy Anglophile' Raggett
>
> They are so fucking corny I can't stand it, but gawd, it works. Maybe I
> just can't resist a band that wears matching outfits.
Rocket are showmen, for good and for ill. But for me, the good
always outweighs the ill. Tres flash.
> I vaugely recall that you detest them (or should I say "him"?),
It. Them. That.
> and
> quite frankly, you have plenty of reason to. But I've found they can be
> amazingly potent live, especially the version of GBV that *doesn't* have
> all the old guys, Sprout, etc.
Keep in mind my fave GBV album is the _Crying Your Knife Away_
live disc where the old line-up is drunk off their butt and playing
away at a club in Dayton in 1993.
> Gosh, don't tell Andrew Hime that!
Too late, I guess. ;-)
Ned
ned pondering the ineffable -- again! -- at kuci.org
Ned 'Prissy Anglophile' Raggett
>
> jeez what do you want them to do to change
> more? maybe some electro-klezmer? hmmm......
Tempting. I side with Wilson, though, but keep in mind generally
my view of SY has been one of slow but sure improvement throughout
the eighties followed by coasting on their own legend throughout
the nineties, the occasional interesting digression or album track
aside. Just my take on things, of course, and it's not like other
bands have done worse, when oodles have -- I at least always get
the sense that SY are still investigating and loving music in toto
as they ever did, even if I don't think that the recent results
have been much to shout about. Aside from "The Diamond Sea," or
at least parts of it, their last five years have provoked little
more than a shrug from me; just because they've played experimental
jazz festivals et al doesn't automatically mean that they've
actually changed any. Hell, Moore and Ranaldo were playing with
Glenn Branca in the early eighties a decade before _Dirty_, and
then there's Borbetomagus and work with John Zorn and etc., so
saying they've 'changed drastically' strikes me as a rather odd
claim when they've continued working in a particular art/rock
vein which, while they've explored a variety of differing avenues
within same, still feels to me like that same general vein.
All this said, admittedly my own appreciation of SY has always been...
well, ambivalent. On the one hand I own just about everything
by them, but on the other, I can't think of the last time I
listened to anything by them for the heck of it, and if I did,
it almost certainly would have been _Daydream Nation_, which to me
remains the most compelling and perfectly balanced thing they've
ever done -- and that's over a decade old now. They're a fine
bunch of people who have done a lot of good in exposing lots
of folks to newer or obscurer bands [though I never thought much
of Thurston's signings for DGC, I have to admit!], but just aren't
an end-all be-all for me, and never entirely were -- after hearing
My Bloody Valentine in 1990, who were obviously and openly doing
things SY-influenced [and have never denied it] but who rapidly
established their own, far more compelling musical cocktail, I've
always since then preferred _Loveless_ on its own own -- hell, "Soon"
on its own -- over the entire SY catalog just for sheer enjoyment.
And as a final 'for what it's worth,' I find the change between
early SY friend/collaborator Michael Gira's work in the early eighties
with Circus Mort and the first Swans records and his recent work
with the last Swans and the new Body Lovers/Angels of Light projects
to be much more of a fascinating evolution than what SY have done
in the same amount of time. Perhaps it's just me.
Ned
ned pondering the ways and means of things at kuci.org
Wilson Zorn
as songwriting and I wonder what might come next, although moreso I wonder
IF anything will come next given their/his (forget main
songwriter/soundpainter's name) perfectionism. I heard after 2 years
working on the last album it was trashed completely in favor starting over.
Anyway, getting off-subject now...before getting too far off, all the best
to the 4some, good luck with the instruments.
Ned 'Prissy Anglophile' Raggett <n...@SPAMNOTkuci.org> wrote in message
news:378250...@SPAMNOTkuci.org...
Dan Polichak
hmm, if u can't actually remember the last time you played an sy album then
have you actually listened to a thousand leaves more than once? or the syr
series for that matter?if not u really should. the eps and the new album
mark a huge change in sound and structure for sy. and i would have to say it
is their best work yet. and a lot of sy fans would agree with me. and simply
because the work lee and thurston did with branca and the new sy material
are both expiremental and jazz/classical based doesn't mean that they aren't
sonically and structurally worlds apart. they difinitely are.
just because they've played experimental
>jazz festivals et al doesn't automatically mean that they've
>actually changed any.
even bothered to listen to. why don't you play dirty and 1k leaves(or syr2,
both preferably with good headphones) back to back and tell me if you can
still say sy hasn't changed and advanced considerably this decade. you
appear to be well informed about music in general i would like to hear your
opinion on this matter once you are actually knowledgable about the topic to
which you were responding.
dan
HotelOpera
agreement. i don't often get the urge to listen to SY, but i'm glad it's
there for me, i feel like they tought me a good many things about music.
-al
>Subject: Re: URGENT: Sonic Youth's gear STOLEN
>From: Ned 'Prissy Anglophile' Raggett <n...@SPAMNOTkuci.org>
>Date: Tue, 06 July 1999 02:50 PM EDT
>Message-id: <378250...@SPAMNOTkuci.org>
>
>Dan Polichak wrote:
>>
>> jeez what do you want them to do to change
>> more? maybe some electro-klezmer? hmmm......
>
>Tempting. I side with Wilson, though, but keep in mind generally
>my view of SY has been one of slow but sure improvement throughout
>the eighties followed by coasting on their own legend throughout
>the nineties, the occasional interesting digression or album track
>aside. Just my take on things, of course, and it's not like other
>bands have done worse, when oodles have -- I at least always get
>the sense that SY are still investigating and loving music in toto
>as they ever did, even if I don't think that the recent results
>have been much to shout about. Aside from "The Diamond Sea," or
>at least parts of it, their last five years have provoked little
>more than a shrug from me; just because they've played experimental
>jazz festivals et al doesn't automatically mean that they've
Wilson Zorn
it could you qualify that statement better than generalities? For example,
please indicate the differences in song structure, rhythms, and/or sonic
pallette with specific references so that then we can listen to them with
those new explanations in mind. Please bear in mind quality is not in
question but rather the "considerable advances" you are referencing.
Dan Polichak <DP...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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>
> hmm, if u can't actually remember the last time you played an sy album
then
> have you actually listened to a thousand leaves more than once? or the syr
> series for that matter?if not u really should. the eps and the new album
> mark a huge change in sound and structure for sy. and i would have to say
it
> is their best work yet. and a lot of sy fans would agree with me. and
simply
> because the work lee and thurston did with branca and the new sy material
> are both expiremental and jazz/classical based doesn't mean that they
aren't
> sonically and structurally worlds apart. they difinitely are.
> just because they've played experimental
> >jazz festivals et al doesn't automatically mean that they've
> >actually changed any.
dp3
Wilson Zorn wrote in message <7m1508$6mp$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>Okay, so now I'm curious - I've listened to their stuff, and as I don't
hear
>it could you qualify that statement better than generalities? For
example,
>please indicate the differences in song structure, rhythms, and/or sonic
>pallette with specific references so that then we can listen to them with
>those new explanations in mind. Please bear in mind quality is not in
>question but rather the "considerable advances" you are referencing.
of the music. they used to be an art rock band, a very good one. there new
releases are much more jazz/classical based in structure and are more
layered and subtle. kim doesn't play the bass anymore(for the most part) and
has picked up the guitar. their last four releases show a clear shift from
the speedy dynamics of alternative rock to the slow builds and dense
climaxes with an improv slant more associated with jazz/classical. i gotta
stop here cause im on a time limit. perhaps someone else can help me out
here? if not perhaps I'll get back to this later.
dan
Ned 'Prissy Anglophile' Raggett
>
> ...to the slow builds and dense
> climaxes with an improv slant more associated with jazz/classical.
Sounds like _Sonic Death_ to me, frankly. ;-) Not that going back
to 1985 is a wrong idea per se, mind you!
Ned
ned wondering where all the rain came from at kuci.org
Spork Pope
>to 1985 is a wrong idea per se, mind you!
and as much as it sucks that SY got their shit stolen, anything that makes them
concentrate on pre-"Washing Machine" material can't be all that bad. hopefully
they'll continue in this mode once they get their shit back.
james.
catali...@my-deja.com
hear them get though.
In article <19990705203304...@ng-xa1.aol.com>,
Romeo25969
>climaxes with an improv slant more associated with jazz/classical.
Aside from "speedy dynamics", what else characterizes "alternative rock"? What
is "alternative rock"? Are you an idiot? .
>i gotta
>stop here cause im on a time limit. perhaps someone else can help me out
>here?
Hopefully..
KllRckStrz
what are you talking about? for one thing theyve been playing those songs for
the last few months not as a result of this incident. if anything its going to
stop them from playing the older stuff. why would they spend the money to
replace a guitar that would just be used to play songs that are 10 years old or
more, if this causes them to change anything, it would be them to continue
going with the 2 or 3 guitars each thing, not for them to try to replace 30
missing guitars or however many it is. and anyway I'm sick of hearing this why
dont they play the earlier stuff (not just you I mean in general) personally I
think 1000 leaves is maybe their best album ever, and if not its very close.
and I really like the older stuff, if its not 1000 leaves then my favorite is
probably evol or bad moon rising. the new stuff is really great though, you
should give it another listen. allthough I do think washing machine was their
worst..well I just hope they get it back
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KllRc...@aol.com
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Angie
youth have a LOT of time on their hands to come up with something like
this. i mean come on people if this WAS a hoax, why would they go to
such lengths to recover the gear (notifing the police, having lee post
info, getting their management involved, and even borrowing other
equipment from bands) dont you all think this would be a huge waste of
time if it was a hoax for kim, lee, t, and steve to go out of their way
and use other instruments when they've been using the same ones for
years? they dont need publicity and they dont need the money so i
believe this is indeed the truth. plus i have also emailed and been
receiving email from lee the past few days and i doubt he'd lie. and no
i don't mean the krak kak email i mean his REAL email. think about it.
angie
InMyEyes82
Angie
>
> Um, i dont think anyone thinks this is a hoax. Cool off.
yeah someone did say that. i believe it was someone from deja. i dont
remember exactly what he said but he said it was a PR stunt to help out
SY and that they "should have at least released a new album before doing
this because this silly stunt made this "mediocre" ng more popular now
along with the band." i am cooled off, but thanks for asking. to me THAT
was a ridiculous statement.
angie
andy fogarty
and we all know what the internets like with sad anal conspiracy theories :)
andy
InMyEyes82 <inmye...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990711190208...@ng-fe1.aol.com...
Spork Pope
soul, and I like the more rock stuff they've done. I also think that fucked-up
noise shit is more impressive and effective when used in the context of a three
minute rock song than a ten minute soup of feedback. I'm just more into seeing
them create a catchy and rockin' song using a pallette of crazy noises ala
"Kool Thing"
Meirion Harries
gabe loewenberg
Meirion Harries wrote:
> What's Lee's e-mail address?
do you think that lee wants people who have his email address just giving
out? would you like your email address or phone number or whatever just to be
given out to anyone?
--
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"get hard against the hollow
get deep beneath the shallow
make the leaders follow
get live
bust lies
fuck it up!"
-mike watt - http://hootpage.com
"listen! do you hear that ticking? that's you! you're the bomb!"
-henry rollins - http://www.two1361.com
Chris Lawrence
> What's Lee's e-mail address?
Lee, unlike Thurston and Steve (well, for a while) has actually managed to
keep his main e-mail secret. I think he'd appreciate it if the few who
know it would sustain its secrecy... I know I will.
Chris
Romeo25969
>keep his main e-mail secret. I think he'd appreciate it if the few who
>know it would sustain its secrecy... I know I will.
>
>Chris
I won't. It's UNSA9...@aol.com
Please use discretion
-=SandS=-
<mus...@island3.islandnet.com> thought..:
>Meirion Harries <meirion...@which.net> wrote:
>> What's Lee's e-mail address?
>
>Lee, unlike Thurston and Steve (well, for a while) has actually managed to
>keep his main e-mail secret. I think he'd appreciate it if the few who
>know it would sustain its secrecy... I know I will.
>
>Chris
>
WOW YOU MUST KNOW IT
>
> > Angie wrote:
>
>>> anyone who thinks this is a hoax must think that all members of sonic
>>> youth have a LOT of time on their hands to come up with something like
>>> this. i mean come on people if this WAS a hoax, why would they go to
>>> such lengths to recover the gear (notifing the police, having lee post
>>> info, getting their management involved, and even borrowing other
>>> equipment from bands) dont you all think this would be a huge waste of
>>> time if it was a hoax for kim, lee, t, and steve to go out of their way
>>> and use other instruments when they've been using the same ones for
>>> years? they dont need publicity and they dont need the money so i
>>> believe this is indeed the truth. plus i have also emailed and been
>>> receiving email from lee the past few days and i doubt he'd lie. and no
>>> i don't mean the krak kak email i mean his REAL email. think about it.
>>>
>>> angie
-lukewarm +hot for mail
run and hide page at deathsdoor.com/thens
gabe loewenberg
Romeo25969 wrote:
> >Lee, unlike Thurston and Steve (well, for a while) has actually managed to
> >keep his main e-mail secret. I think he'd appreciate it if the few who
> >know it would sustain its secrecy... I know I will.
> >
> >Chris
>
> I won't. It's UNSA9...@aol.com
>
> Please use discretion
who the hell's address is that?
Angie
>
> >Lee, unlike Thurston and Steve (well, for a while) has actually managed to
> >keep his main e-mail secret. I think he'd appreciate it if the few who
> >know it would sustain its secrecy... I know I will.
> >
> >Chris
>
> I won't. It's UNSA9...@aol.com
>
> Please use discretion
well uh, that's NOT Lee's e-mail. out of respect for Lee, I am NOT going
to post his e-mail. sorry to the people who emailed me about it.
angie
Romeo25969
>to post his e-mail. sorry to the people who emailed me about it.
>
>angie
Well uh, out of EGO gratification you're going to HAVE to mention that you've
got LEE RENALDO's email address again... out of "respect" for LEE of course...
what was the purpose for this?
Angie
i didn't mention it again, chris lawrence mentioned that he had it and
some guy said he had lee's email which is wrong, so i didn't want people
emailing some wrong address thinking it was lee's. this has nothing to
do with EGO gratification.
angie