Boz vs johnny
jordan walker
jordan walker
Who is better - boorer or marr? I personally tend to go with marr.
I have yet to talk to a fan who sides with boz. I am curious if there
are any fans out there that disagree with me. Just to let you know,I
like moz's solo work just as much as the smiths. Of course,in my opinion
i miss johnny - but i got over that years ago. So,it's not that i am
slagging moz's new work. Infact,i thought southpaw was a great albulmn.
So,let's find out what you think.... Who would you pick?
Adam J. Ostermann
jordan walker <tws...@compusmart.ab.ca> writes:
Even bringing up the question is a slap in the face to the true
genius.... BOZ BOORER!!! Marr Schmarr, sure he had a few dozen effects
pedals and some nice shiny rickenbockers. But Boz has a quiff that
won't quit!
Marr achored the Smiths with supplying the guitar end of proceedings.
Surely Boz would have had the same acknowledgement if not for the evil,
scumbag lowlife known as ALAIN "THE EGO" WHYTE!!!! While Alain snarls
and stops strumming to catch flowers (witness "Moz at Dallas") he
thinks are directed at him, it is BOZ who supplies the smokin
rockabilly-tinged guitar.
Any rock and roller can play his guitar. But how many can play while
wondering around backstage? There's a list of one, and it's Boz
Boorer.
Attitude? BOZ.
Ability? BOZ.
Bozziness? BOZ.
If none of this divine wisdom doesn't reach you, maybe the fact that
Boz was a member of THE POLECATS would mean anything to you. Never
heard of the Polecats? No? That's like saying you've never heard of VU
or Big Star. They were a supernova on the music scene, which only
bungling record company execs and deaf radio personnel tarnished. But
in a way the conspiracy that failed the Polecats was in fact a blessing
in disguise, because now all of Moz's clique can appreciate the
pickings and strummings of the mighty Boz Boorer.
His solo album will make even Morrissey tremble in its presence. In
fact, everytime Moz gets angry, or depressed, or sad, he should
remember that ray of sunshine at his side at almost every corner...BOZ
BOORER!!!!
Right now I am talking to the powers that be here in internet land, and
with their blessings perhaps I could unravel to the world.....
alt.fan.boz.boorer. Where dedicated disciples of He who is Known as Boz
can freely discuss the musical genius of "How My Heart is Full" and
"The Teachers are Afraid..." without fear of close-minded heathens who
will no doubt burn in hell for choosing false gods like Johnny Marr
over the likes of BOZ.
See BOZ. Feel BOZ. Be BOZ.
Let the power of BOZ careen through your soul and shower you with his
rockabilly guitar playin' wisdom.
LONG LIVE THE BOZ!!!!!!!!!
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Adam J. Ostermann (aost...@students.wisc.edu)
UW-Madison Journalism Major
Co-Entertainment Editor, The Badger Herald
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Adam J. Ostermann
koh...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Nishan S. Kohli) writes:
> In article <4fpf3f$25...@news.doit.wisc.edu>,
> Adam J. Ostermann <aost...@students.wisc.edu> wrote:
> >
> >If none of this divine wisdom doesn't reach you, maybe the fact that
> >Boz was a member of THE POLECATS would mean anything to you. Never
> >heard of the Polecats? No? That's like saying you've never heard of VU
> >or Big Star. They were a supernova on the music scene, which only
> >bungling record company execs and deaf radio personnel tarnished. But
> >in a way the conspiracy that failed the Polecats was in fact a blessing
> >in disguise, because now all of Moz's clique can appreciate the
> >pickings and strummings of the mighty Boz Boorer.
> >
> >His solo album will make even Morrissey tremble in its presence. In
> >fact, everytime Moz gets angry, or depressed, or sad, he should
> >remember that ray of sunshine at his side at almost every corner...BOZ
> >BOORER!!!!
>
> I assume you are kidding. If you're not, then my god, I better
> go and review my opinions.
I'm kidding about everything...except my opinions of ALAIN WHYTE. Don't
get me wrong, I like his stuff overall, but he's gotta just turn down
that ego of his. There's only one other guitarist who makes goofy-ass
faces non-stop, and he's GE Smith from Saturday Night Live. I assume
since he got canned there, he's playing blues bar with that constipated
face of his...
P.S. Polecats forever!! ;-) And Adam Ant, too!
Carolyn
> Looks like i messed up my last post. Anyway. On to the question.
> Who is better - boorer or marr? I personally tend to go with marr.
> I have yet to talk to a fan who sides with boz. I am curious if there
> are any fans out there that disagree with me. Just to let you know,I
> like moz's solo work just as much as the smiths. Of course,in my opinion
> i miss johnny - but i got over that years ago. So,it's not that i am
> slagging moz's new work. Infact,i thought southpaw was a great albulmn.
> So,let's find out what you think.... Who would you pick?
Marr every time!
Carolyn
> In article <4fok6n$l...@bert.compusmart.ab.ca>
> genius.... BOZ BOORER!!! Marr Schmarr, sure he had a few dozen effects
> pedals and some nice shiny rickenbockers. But Boz has a quiff that
> won't quit!
>
> Marr achored the Smiths with supplying the guitar end of proceedings.
> Surely Boz would have had the same acknowledgement if not for the evil,
> scumbag lowlife known as ALAIN "THE EGO" WHYTE!!!! While Alain snarls
> and stops strumming to catch flowers (witness "Moz at Dallas") he
> thinks are directed at him, it is BOZ who supplies the smokin
> rockabilly-tinged guitar.
>
> Any rock and roller can play his guitar. But how many can play while
> wondering around backstage? There's a list of one, and it's Boz
> Boorer.
>
> Attitude? BOZ.
>
> Ability? BOZ.
>
> Bozziness? BOZ.
>
> Boz was a member of THE POLECATS would mean anything to you. Never
> heard of the Polecats? No? That's like saying you've never heard of VU
> or Big Star. They were a supernova on the music scene, which only
> bungling record company execs and deaf radio personnel tarnished. But
> in a way the conspiracy that failed the Polecats was in fact a blessing
> in disguise, because now all of Moz's clique can appreciate the
> pickings and strummings of the mighty Boz Boorer.
>
> His solo album will make even Morrissey tremble in its presence. In
> fact, everytime Moz gets angry, or depressed, or sad, he should
> remember that ray of sunshine at his side at almost every corner...BOZ
> BOORER!!!!
>
> with their blessings perhaps I could unravel to the world.....
> alt.fan.boz.boorer. Where dedicated disciples of He who is Known as Boz
> can freely discuss the musical genius of "How My Heart is Full" and
> "The Teachers are Afraid..." without fear of close-minded heathens who
> will no doubt burn in hell for choosing false gods like Johnny Marr
> over the likes of BOZ.
>
> See BOZ. Feel BOZ. Be BOZ.
> Let the power of BOZ careen through your soul and shower you with his
> rockabilly guitar playin' wisdom.
>
> LONG LIVE THE BOZ!!!!!!!!!
Jeez - why don't you Boz off!
Only kidding
;-)
xxx
Nishan S. Kohli
Adam J. Ostermann <aost...@students.wisc.edu> wrote:
>
>I'm kidding about everything...except my opinions of ALAIN WHYTE. Don't
>get me wrong, I like his stuff overall, but he's gotta just turn down
>that ego of his. There's only one other guitarist who makes goofy-ass
>faces non-stop, and he's GE Smith from Saturday Night Live. I assume
>since he got canned there, he's playing blues bar with that constipated
>face of his...
Excellent observation. Perhaps Alain Whyte and GE Smith could get
together and do a constipated face duet. I remember seeing Morrissey live
a few years back, and Whyte was just out of control. At one point I
almost walked out due to my utter contempt for the man.
I have to ask, what is Morrissey's attraction to this group of
thugs he picked up after the demise of The Smiths? I know a lot of you
out there are extraordinarily fond of Morrissey as a solo artist (as a
matter of fact, some of you may have actually become a Smiths fan on the
basis of it), but I personally have been consistently unimpressed with his
work, with the exception of Viva Hate and some of the catchy singles off
Bona Drag.
I've read some shocking reviews of Vauxhall and Southpaw in
alt.music.morrissey, two albums which I thought were hopeless. Some
people were saying how inspired Morrissey's lyrics are on his latest work,
something like "The Teachers are Afraid of the Pupils" I think? Well,
they went on to say how it was worthy of comparison to early Smiths'
masterpieces because anyone can relate to it. Well, first of all,
musically the song sounds like a bad U2 side project, and secondly, yeah,
we can all relate to the lyrics, but the difference between this song and,
say, How Soon Is Now? is that there is really no need to relate to them.
Morrissey used to have emotion and used to reach out to people who
feel alone, comforting them by telling them that someone else feels the
same way and they're not as alone as they thought. In my eyes, that
period is over, and Morrissey's just lost it.
I know, this entry is going to have some very negative reactions,
but if you have a dissenting opinion, please share. I'd love to discuss
this further, but please, be nice.
--
-Shan
"How poor a bargain is the life of man, and in how mean a market we are
sold."- Wilde
Tom Jarvela
In a previous article, tws...@compusmart.ab.ca (jordan walker) says:
>Looks like i messed up my last post. Anyway. On to the question.
>Who is better - boorer or marr? I personally tend to go with marr.
>I have yet to talk to a fan who sides with boz. I am curious if there
>are any fans out there that disagree with me.
I don't think any sane person would. Marr is a rock-n-roll legend.
But that doesn't mean that Boz is without talent. Quite the contrary,
he's come up with some classic songs like "Jack The Ripper." And
for where Morrissey is at right now, the band he is with suits him
perfectly, possibly even better than the Marr/Rourke/Joyce could have.
It's a different era with different styles, and it's very enjoyable.
--
Tom Jarvela
In a previous article, koh...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Nishan S. Kohli) says:
> I have to ask, what is Morrissey's attraction to this group of
>thugs he picked up after the demise of The Smiths?
Morrissey isn't the same as he was with the Smiths, you must realise
this. He got tired of being stereotyped as the bashful wall-flower
and decided to do something about it. Have you seen the photograph of
Morrissey posing with brass knuckles and a bottle of beer? His new
rockabilly band fits that dangerous "thug" image quite nicely. What
it boils down to is you have to find it within yourself to separate
the Smiths from Morrissey's solo work. And within his solo career
you have to separate much of what he did before _Your Arsenal_ from
what has come recently. It's all in a different style, and when you
can appreciate each style for what it is, you'll find that it's all
brilliant.
> Morrissey used to have emotion and used to reach out to people who
>feel alone, comforting them by telling them that someone else feels the
>same way and they're not as alone as they thought. In my eyes, that
>period is over, and Morrissey's just lost it.
No, he hasn't "lost it." He's moved on.. there's a difference. For the
fans who grew up with The Smiths, he helped to save your lives. For the
fans who need him now, those records are still available, now more
readily than ever before. But seriously, you couldn't have expected
the man to continue writing "How Soon Is Now?" and "There Is A Light"
over and over again, could you?
The Smiths are dead, and it's very unfortunate, but Morrissey is
still making music that stands above 98% of what is being done today.
--
jeremy ellington
i saw morrissey in dallas [i was there even :)] and i need
to know:
is boz the idiot guitarist that can't stop running around, acting
like a freak, or is that the alan guy?
-jeremy
Bryon S Hunt
Johnny Marr and Boz Boorer. Johnny is to guitar as Morrissey is to
beautifully painfull emotion. If it was not for Morrissey, Johnny Marr,
(and let's not forget Andy Rourke and Mike Joyce), many lives would be
different right now. If it was notfor Morrissey -- Boz Boorer would not be
considered a topic of dicussion. The same does not hold true for Johnny
Marr.
Filip
>
> In article <4fok6n$l...@bert.compusmart.ab.ca>
> jordan walker <tws...@compusmart.ab.ca> writes:
>
> > Who is better - boorer or marr? I personally tend to go with marr.
> > I have yet to talk to a fan who sides with boz. I am curious if there
> Adam J. Ostermann (aost...@students.wisc.edu)
> UW-Madison Journalism Major
> Co-Entertainment Editor, The Badger Herald
> ______________________________________________________________________
not only does Boz have no talent , he has no front teeth
R.G.Bramlett
On 16 Feb 1996, Tom Jarvela wrote:
>
> In a previous article, koh...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Nishan S. Kohli) says:
>
> > I have to ask, what is Morrissey's attraction to this group of
> >thugs he picked up after the demise of The Smiths?
>
> Morrissey isn't the same as he was with the Smiths, you must realise
> this. He got tired of being stereotyped as the bashful wall-flower
> and decided to do something about it. Have you seen the photograph of
> Morrissey posing with brass knuckles and a bottle of beer? His new
> rockabilly band fits that dangerous "thug" image quite nicely. What
> it boils down to is you have to find it within yourself to separate
> the Smiths from Morrissey's solo work. And within his solo career
> you have to separate much of what he did before _Your Arsenal_ from
> what has come recently. It's all in a different style, and when you
> can appreciate each style for what it is, you'll find that it's all
> brilliant.
You know, this is a bloody brilliant post. thats what i love about
this newsgroup....sooner or later someone will say something you were
thinking but didnt know how to say it. well im glad this guy picked
up the slack and defended Morrissey's solo career.
> > Morrissey used to have emotion and used to reach out to people who
> >feel alone, comforting them by telling them that someone else feels the
> >same way and they're not as alone as they thought. In my eyes, that
> >period is over, and Morrissey's just lost it.
>
> No, he hasn't "lost it." He's moved on.. there's a difference. For the
> fans who grew up with The Smiths, he helped to save your lives. For the
> fans who need him now, those records are still available, now more
> readily than ever before. But seriously, you couldn't have expected
> the man to continue writing "How Soon Is Now?" and "There Is A Light"
> over and over again, could you?
exactly!!! Morrissey isnt a young man anymore. There's no reason he
should continue to sing exclusively about what it's like to be a
lonely guy in his early 20's. its silly. now he comments about mature
relationships, or societal issues. the whining over "Teachers" really
irritated me---fans thought Morrissey was a hypocrite for writing both
"Teachers" and "Headmaster Ritual". Jeez the songs were written 10 years
apart!! And they were both written about different people. As i tried to
explain back when "Southpaw" came out, abusive teachers battering
children in repressive British schools in the '60's is *totally*
different from teachers in public schools in the '90's who fear even
coming to their workplace, where kids carry guns.
i certainly dont much expect Moz to
write the songs he wrote in the early 80's over and over. And his new
band is so talented, its just so sad people are trying to make them
into the Smiths. Personally, i love his new band---the sheer *power*
of "Beethoven Was Deaf" really speaks for itself. i mean, its different
from the Smiths....a different sound. Jonny Bridgwood is no Andy Rourke,
but then again, listen to Spencer Cobrin's drumming on "You Must Please
Remember" and "Southpaw Grammar" and it's easy to see that he adds an
edge Mike Joyce could rarely provide. Different band, different sound,
different message.
> The Smiths are dead, and it's very unfortunate, but Morrissey is
> still making music that stands above 98% of what is being done today.
i'm sure i couldnt possibly say it better myself....
-ryan.
Tricia Low
: i saw morrissey in dallas [i was there even :)] and i need
: to know:
: is boz the idiot guitarist that can't stop running around, acting
: like a freak, or is that the alan guy?
: -jeremy
What does this have to do with Johnny Marr?
Greebo
: feel alone, comforting them by telling them that someone else feels the
: same way and they're not as alone as they thought. In my eyes, that
This is true, and now he has moved on to other comforting and interesting
things. This is good- I certainly wouldn't want Morrissey's solo albums
to sound like cheap smiths-wanna be albums. As they are, they are
beautiful, different, and powerfull, and I love them immensely. BTW, I
feel that quite a bit of Morrissey's
solo work does do what you explained above: I know it does for me.
Greebo.
--
Greebo.
gre...@teleport.com
Adam J. Ostermann
skeet...@aol.com (SKEETERSjr) writes:
> <<<<not only does Boz have no talent , he has no front teeth>>>>
>
> No talent???? Are you deaf and dumb?????? We're talking about the guy
> who co-wrote "Jack The Ripper" and "Best Friend On The Payroll" among
> other great tunes????? And way more importanly than talent, Boz has the
> attitude and style!
Hear! Hear! (except he indeed DIDN'T write "Payroll")....
>
> As for the teeth, Boz is far too cool to worry about knocking out a couple
> of teeth while he prances about the stage reeking havoc.
Damn straight!!!!!
>
> BOZ IS THE COOLEST ROCKABILLY GUITAR BOY IN THE ENTIRE FREAKING WORLD!
IT'S ABOUT FREAKIN' TIME! No one else can understand the genius of BOZ
cept SKEETERSjr and moi....
>
> Now if only Gary Day would return then Morrissey's band would be PERFECT
> once again..............
ANOTHER Good point. The new studio bassist (Bridgewood) has the most
rudimentary bass lines in the world. It's embarrassing. But if Day
isn't available, (sigh) I suppose we could settle for Andy Rourke, bass
god.
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Adam J. Ostermann (aost...@students.wisc.edu)
UW Madison student
Co-Entertainment Editor, The Badger Herald
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SKEETERSjr
Bryon S Hunt <bh...@ic.sunysb.edu>:
<<<<If it was notfor Morrissey -- Boz Boorer would not be
considered a topic of dicussion. The same does not hold true for Johnny
Marr. >>>>
Speak for yourself! I for one knew of Boz before he ever hooked up with
Morrissey!! He was well known in the rockabilly scene, as a member of the
Polecats. Check them out! I think they've been reissued. Boz is one
cool cat.
I am able to love Johnny, Alain, and Boz just about equally. Johnny was
great, and I'll concede that he's the most talented of the three. But yet
together Boz and Alain are just as great in my mind. To me "Your Arsenal"
through "Southpaw Grammar" has been as terrific a run for Morrissey as The
Smiths were. I listen to the beauty of "Southpaw" (the song) and I am so
thankful that Morrissey hooked up with this new band! I also think his
solo career has been more interesting in a lot of ways than the Smiths.
More surprises, diversity. I wouldn't change a single thing in
Morrissey's career. It's been almost perfect. Well, maybe I would have
liked to have seen perhaps one more Smiths album because I think they
ending with "Strangeways, Here We Come" felt a bit premature. But I'm
glad it worked out in a way for Morrissey to have had his run with Johnny,
then his run from Viva Hate to Kill Uncle, and then his run with Boz and
Alain. It makes for a more interesting body of work.
The Smiths are over now and frankly I don't wish them to get back
together. Reunions always end up a letdown. In a way it's so very cool
that The smiths only lasted a few years. Their entire existance was
shorter than many bands take to produce one single album! (I'm thinking
of The Cure here!) And in those few years they released an amazing,
large, and deep body of work of exceptional (shocking!) quality. The
B-Sides as good as the singles. Everything was perfection, right down to
the aesthetics of the cover art. Think about it: It's really cool that
The Smiths were only together for a short time. It's like the way James
Dean died so young and so perfect and he'll always be remembered as
perfect for all of time.
SKEETERSjr
<<<<not only does Boz have no talent , he has no front teeth>>>>
No talent???? Are you deaf and dumb?????? We're talking about the guy
who co-wrote "Jack The Ripper" and "Best Friend On The Payroll" among
other great tunes????? And way more importanly than talent, Boz has the
attitude and style!
As for the teeth, Boz is far too cool to worry about knocking out a couple
of teeth while he prances about the stage reeking havoc.
BOZ IS THE COOLEST ROCKABILLY GUITAR BOY IN THE ENTIRE FREAKING WORLD!
Now if only Gary Day would return then Morrissey's band would be PERFECT
once again..............
pi...@chelsea.ios.com
>: is boz the idiot guitarist that can't stop running around, acting
>: like a freak, or is that the alan guy?
>: -jeremy
I was faraway from stage the one time I saw the show, but based on pictures
I've seen of Boz and Alain, I'd say it was Alain running around, acting
like a freak, though from a distance it was endearing.
Stephen.