The Smiths vs. Radiohead, or more precise, Jonny Marr vs Jonny Greenwood
Genevieve
question of the superior guitarist has popped up in my mind. I've been a
loyal Radiohead fan for quite along time & always rated them far above
any other bands.
Then I discovered The Smiths, with thanks to my boyfriend, & it changed
my attitude to music quite abit, not that I like Radiohead any less but
to think that Radiohead could even have competition with another band
was simply out of the question in my mind til now.
So I just wonder whether anyone else has any opinions...& am I just one
solitary lone person on a personal crusade in her own deeply pathetic
life..
--
Genevieve
Paul
Genevieve <gd...@hotmail.com> wrote
> I know....completely different bands all together. But recently the
> question of the superior guitarist has popped up in my mind.
JoHnny Marr wins hands down! If it was a choice between Johnny Marr & Steve
Mason, that would be closer, but Johnny would still win
P
equality7-2521
Yes, very different bands, but I had done the same. I loved some Smiths
songs, but one day a friend left me "Singles" here for a few days, and I had
always sworn that I needed to get my hands on a real album, instead of
listening to a few tracks. They've jumped up a few places, though I like
Radiohead, I prefer the Manic Street Preachers. Anyway- here goes:
> I know....completely different bands all together. But recently the
> question of the superior guitarist has popped up in my mind. I've been a
Well- for tunes, I'd say Marr, but for widdly magic guitar antics, I'd go
for Radiohead. If you prefer songs and talent over a wide range of styles,
then Marr is your man. I love his songs, but Radiohead have more icing to
the Smiths "cake". They have some great licks and fancy bits and I love
them, as I play the guitar too, but the main thing is the "cake".
> So I just wonder whether anyone else has any opinions...& am I just one
> solitary lone person on a personal crusade in her own deeply pathetic
> life..
If you are sad and lonely and pathetic etc. then the Smiths are great.
Radiohead make me sadder (in a good way) when I am sad, and sort of can't
listen to them when I am really happy as it's not the same. The Smiths
though, they make me smile and cry. Amongst the madness, there is something
to pull you through rather than to persuade you to drop. Even though
Morrissey pours his heart out, you can't help but smirk when he says:
"Let me get my hands on your mammary glands."
"girlfriend in a coma, i hope, I hope, it's serious."
"why count the lifes complexities, when the leather runs smooth on the
passenger seat."
"the music that they play, it says nothing to me about my life, hang the DJ"
"I would go out tonight but I haven't got a stitch to wear"
"now I know how Joan of Arc felt as the flames rose to her roman nose and
her Walkman started to melt"
Oh I'm in love with the Smiths!
Good luck, and remember the smiley bits as well as the sad bits,
Love Colin.
Genevieve
> Genevieve <gd...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > I know....completely different bands all together. But recently the
> > question of the superior guitarist has popped up in my mind.
>
> Johnny Marr wins hands down! If it was a choice between Johnny Marr &
> Steve
> Mason, that would be closer, but Johnny would still win
>
Forgive my ignorance, but Steve who?!
--
Genevieve
Paul
Team Tran Racing Division
# > I know....completely different bands all together. But recently the
# > question of the superior guitarist has popped up in my mind.
#
# JoHnny Marr wins hands down! If it was a choice between Johnny Marr & Steve
# Mason, that would be closer, but Johnny would still win
But then Kevin Shields came along and kicked the shit out of both of them.
np: Shiner / Rodan
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Team Tran Racing Division
# # > I know....completely different bands all together. But recently the
# # > question of the superior guitarist has popped up in my mind.
# #
# # JoHnny Marr wins hands down! If it was a choice between Johnny Marr & Steve
# # Mason, that would be closer, but Johnny would still win
#
# But then Kevin Shields came along and kicked the shit out of both of them.
And then, Andrew Archbold cam along after that, with his Aphex Twin CDs and...
And...
Heh heh heh. I don't know how to finish this.
np: Only Shallow / My Bloody Valentine
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geenyus
Team Tran Racing Division wrote in message ...
>0 96 . 0 32 . 0 23 . Paul |||| | | |
>
># > I know....completely different bands all together. But recently the
># > question of the superior guitarist has popped up in my mind.
>#
Steve
># Mason, that would be closer, but Johnny would still win
>
>
other and, unknowingly gave Mr. Shields the opportunity to do the world a
favor and strangle the both of them with his e string.
My Bloody geenyus
fountainhead
Paul wrote in message <01be7f00$11da4f80$9e075cc3@default>...
so you don't mean king biscuit?
darn. there was me thinking you were cool.
f.
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Genevieve
Hoorah!
a worthless post I know but I felt I needed to do it....
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Shwn
wrote:
>geenyus wrote:
>
>> Team Tran Racing Division wrote in message ...
>> >0 96 . 0 32 . 0 23 . Paul |||| | | |
>> >
>> ># > I know....completely different bands all together. But recently
>> the
>> ># > question of the superior guitarist has popped up in my mind.
>> >#
>> ># JoHnny Marr wins hands down! If it was a choice between Johnny Marr
>> &
>> Steve
>> ># Mason, that would be closer, but Johnny would still win
>> >
>> >But then Kevin Shields came along and kicked the shit out of both of
>> them.
>> >
>> And then came the Gallagher brothers who began to kick the shit out of
>> each
>> other and, unknowingly gave Mr. Shields the opportunity to do the
>> world a
>> favor and strangle the both of them with his e string.
>
Who then promptly disappeared into obscurity where he belongs.....
sorry personal opinion........ Johnny beats them all...... hands
down....
Paul
fountainhead <founta...@lineone.net> wrote
>
>
> so you don't mean king biscuit?
I EAT biscuits, I don`t listen to them!
P
LipglossQ
I think I would agree with you on that one. But everyone talks about Johnny
Marr being a great great musician. Does anyone listen to "The Electronics?"
I've heard some bad things about them...No doubt that Johnny was a genuis in
the smiths, but little man, what now?
Madonna Bella
Madonn...@depechemode.com
Angry Lemmings
question in my mind that Marr is the better technical player from his
blindingly fast and intricate riffs and his almost always ultra-clean sound
(almost no fret noise!!).
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Paul wrote:
> Genevieve <gd...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > I know....completely different bands all together. But recently the
> > question of the superior guitarist has popped up in my mind.
>
> JoHnny Marr wins hands down! If it was a choice between Johnny Marr & Steve
> Mason, that would be closer, but Johnny would still win
>
> P
David Cullen
not trying to be the new Smiths, even though Martin Rossiter tries to get
called Rozzer (what? As in a policeman?) and sticks his tongue in his cheek
a la Moz.
Unlike the Smiths song, but like WORK, 'Gene' is a 4 letter word. Anyone
agree?
Paul wrote in message <01be7ee3$5a236e60$28065cc3@default>...
Shwn
> >JoHnny Marr wins hands down! If it was a choice between Johnny Marr & Steve
>>Mason, that would be closer, but Johnny would still win
>
>I think I would agree with you on that one. But everyone talks about Johnny
>Marr being a great great musician. Does anyone listen to "The Electronics?"
>I've heard some bad things about them...No doubt that Johnny was a genuis in
>the smiths, but little man, what now?
Ive heard of "Electronic"..... In deferrence to all the Smiths fans
here who could read this.... Electronic's almost as good as The
Smiths... Just different.... Johnnys still the hands down winner....
Any catagory...Before, after, skills...hits...whatever.... What do
you think of that Little Girl?
Desp4BiGrL
but i have to say, no comparison.
radiohead has maybe 3 songs i can listen to
they arent so great.
but the smiths?
mr marr is the master..
dare i say i only like the guitar in the music
and well morrissey?
i think he sounds too gay.
whaaaaat?
'yea'
flamedesp
Eugene Blake
>Hmmm... I love Jonny Greenwood's style, but I also love Marr's, and there's no
>question in my mind that Marr is the better technical player from his
>blindingly fast and intricate riffs and his almost always ultra-clean sound
>(almost no fret noise!!).
Just thought I'd add that in UK's _Guitarist_ Mag (May edition) Adrian
Clarke has done a technique section on the acoustic style of Johnny
(Marr).
And my comments? um... they're both great players, me thinks
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Plug
Desp4BiGrL wrote in message <19990406133935...@ng43.aol.com>...
NortNort
>loyal Radiohead fan for quite along time & always rated them far above
>any other bands.
>Then I discovered The Smiths, with thanks to my boyfriend, & it changed
>my attitude to music quite abit, not that I like Radiohead any less but
>to think that Radiohead could even
>have competition with another band
>was simply out of the question in my mind til now.
As a fan of both and a fan since they both started I would say the Smiths are
still my favorite band but a couple of more albums like the bends and ok
computer could change that!!!!!!!!!!
AloupisM
>dare i say i only like the guitar in the music
I don't see how it's possible to be a Smiths fan (or a fan of ANY band, for
that matter) when you only like one aspect them.
>and well morrissey?
>i think he sounds too gay.
What does "gay" sound like, exactly?
Scott
>
> Is it possible to be too gay?????
What about Erasure? Are they too gay?
Scott
Plug
Eugene Blake
<Pa...@atb.softnet.co.uk> writes
I stand corrected, it's Matthew Wig not Adrian Clarke - they've gone and
mixed up the names in the mag, (well that's my excuse anyway)
Paul
Eugene Blake <eug...@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote
> I stand corrected, it's Matthew Wig not Adrian Clarke - they've gone and
> mixed up the names in the mag, (well that's my excuse anyway)
That makes ALL the difference!:)
P
Paul
AloupisM <alou...@aol.com> wrote
> What does "gay" sound like, exactly?
If it`s his first time, it usually sounds like; "OOOYA!!!, that REALLY
HURTS!!!!!"
Not that I would know, obviously!
P
Eugene Blake
<Pa...@atb.softnet.co.uk> writes
>That makes ALL the difference!:)
Ok ok <runs away and shirks in corner>
Angry Lemmings
Now THAT'S gay, friends and neighbours.
(and I still like em)
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Scott
one?
Scott
Plug wrote:
>
> Well one of them is definitely not!!!!
> Scott wrote in message <370B0BDD...@hotmail.com>...
Joill
Marc Almond is terrific. I still love to listen to "Jackie" He does torch
songs (no matter what their sexual inclinations) better than anyone.
"I am human, and I need to be loved
just like everybody else does"
Morrissey
How Soon is Now - The Smiths
dEEJ
<Pa...@atb.softnet.co.uk> :
>Gene.
hehehe...
******
*dEEJ*
******
Desp4BiGrL
>>desp4...@aol.com wrote:
>
>>dare i say i only like the guitar in the music
>
>I don't see how it's possible to be a Smiths fan (or a fan of ANY band, for
>that matter) when you only like one aspect them.
not true, i dont think i listen to music like others
i listen to the individual instruments.
>
>>and well morrissey?
>>i think he sounds too gay.
>
>What does "gay" sound like, exactly?
>
>
handsome devils live?
Desp4BiGrL
>Is it possible to be too gay?????
>
>
sure, just as in too straight..<?>
Paul
P
dEEJ <de...@biosciences.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
<NoEKLTA9...@biosciences.demon.co.uk>...
AloupisM
>i listen to the individual instruments.
Right, soooo....then you're not a Smiths fan, but a Johnny Marr fan. (?)
>>What does "gay" sound like, exactly?
>handsome devils live?
So THAT'S what gay "sounds" like! Thank you for clearing that up.
Thomas J. Motzny
the Stone Roses. For my bid, he's the best guitarist out of Manchester,
or any where else for that matter. Shields is defintely more innovative,
but Squire kicks the living tar our of anyone whose picked up the guitar
in the last twenty years.
Anyway, (here's where I cause a fight) Morrissey is the driving
force behind The Smiths. Just look at the relative success of Marr on his
own. Morrissey had quite a career since Marr left. Johnny, at best, is a
footnote.
On Mon, 5 Apr 1999, Shwn wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Apr 1999 15:23:31 +0100, Genevieve <gd...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >geenyus wrote:
> >
> >> Team Tran Racing Division wrote in message ...
> >> >0 96 . 0 32 . 0 23 . Paul |||| | | |
> >> >
> >> ># > I know....completely different bands all together. But recently
> >> the
> >> ># > question of the superior guitarist has popped up in my mind.
> >> >#
> >> ># JoHnny Marr wins hands down! If it was a choice between Johnny Marr
> >> &
> >> Steve
> >> ># Mason, that would be closer, but Johnny would still win
> >> >
> >> >But then Kevin Shields came along and kicked the shit out of both of
> >> them.
> >> >
> >> And then came the Gallagher brothers who began to kick the shit out of
> >> each
> >> other and, unknowingly gave Mr. Shields the opportunity to do the
> >> world a
> >> favor and strangle the both of them with his e string.
> >
> Who then promptly disappeared into obscurity where he belongs.....
> sorry personal opinion........ Johnny beats them all...... hands
> down....
>
>
Wojciech Beltkiewicz
: Plug wrote:
: >
: > Is it possible to be too gay?????
: What about Erasure? Are they too gay?
Erasure are just blatantly gay. Their synthpop counterparts, the Pet
Shop Boys, on the other hand, are not too gay.
That's my impression.
M.J. Hayes
>they are not trying to be the new Smiths, even though Martin
>Rossiter tries to get called Rozzer (what? As in a policeman?) and
>sticks his tongue in his cheek a la Moz.
>
>Unlike the Smiths song, but like WORK, 'Gene' is a 4 letter word.
>Anyone agree?
whole-heartedly.
they have also been known to play elvis for half an hour before
gigs.
best rossiter quote: if people don't believe me about my depression
then they can fuck off.
makes me laugh every time.
matt.
Paul
Thomas J. Motzny <tmo...@shrike.depaul.edu> wrote
> Anyway, (here's where I cause a fight) Morrissey is the driving
> force behind The Smiths. Just look at the relative success of Marr on
his
> own. Morrissey had quite a career since Marr left. Johnny, at best, is
a
> footnote.
Have you ever heard of a band called `Electronic`? I`m not a big fan, but I
can admit that they have far more chart success and a bigger following than
Moz does. Johnny is happy doing what he does, can you say the same for
Moz? How can you compare the 2 of them anyway? One is a frontman singer,
the other is a musician (guitarist/tunesmith) Moz is ALWAYS going to me
more in the limelight than Johnny.
Squire is a beginner compared to Johnny at his best.
P
Paul
David Cullen <david....@virgin.net> wrote
>Martin Rossiter tries to get
> called Rozzer and sticks his tongue in his cheek
> a la Moz.
I always thought it was firmly lodged up Moz` posterior!(?)
P
fountainhead
David Cullen wrote in message <7el6c9$72s$1...@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net>...
>Steve Mason is a member of Gene, the band who continue to insist they are
>not trying to be the new Smiths, even though Martin Rossiter tries to get
>called Rozzer (what? As in a policeman?) and sticks his tongue in his cheek
>a la Moz.
but there is another steve mason. he's in the beta band. gene fans wouldn't
know about them, what with them being quite interesting.
f.
--
to the gangsters with pens, i don't want no revenge
.
dEEJ
[grasps sides in hilarious chortle]
... they... [larf]... are just marvelous aren't they.
Name one song that I'd like by Gene.
>dEEJ <de...@biosciences.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
><NoEKLTA9...@biosciences.demon.co.uk>...
>> Guess who's coming, guess who's coming it's Paul
>> <Pa...@atb.softnet.co.uk> :
>> >Gene.
>> hehehe...
>> ******
>> *dEEJ*
>> ******
>>
******
*dEEJ*
******
"There's no such thing as bad music"
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Daigle Stephane
> but there is another steve mason. he's in the beta band. gene fans wouldn't
> know about them, what with them being quite interesting.
Yes, an interesting alternative to valium.
he said,
Stephane
fountainhead
Daigle Stephane wrote in message ...
>
>> but there is another steve mason. he's in the beta band. gene fans wouldn't
>> know about them, what with them being quite interesting.
>
>Yes, an interesting alternative to valium.
i thought that you were talking about gene for a minute
but they would be an unremarkably uninteresting alternative to valium.
f.
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Daigle Stephane
> >Yes, an interesting alternative to valium.
>
> i thought that you were talking about gene for a minute
Well i almost could have been... i had high expectations for the new
album, but it turned out to be as interesting as a televised cooking class
for old folks with dentures.
> but they would be an unremarkably uninteresting alternative to valium.
If you're still talking about the Beta Bland, come to think of it, you're
right.
said he,
Stephane
fountainhead
Daigle Stephane wrote in message ...
>> but they would be an unremarkably uninteresting alternative to valium.
>
>If you're still talking about the Beta Bland, come to think of it, you're
>right.
is there no hope?
heathens
i hope you all burn
slowly
Paul
dEEJ <de...@biosciences.demon.co.uk> wrote
> Guess who's coming, guess who's coming it's Paul
You`re just too weird!
P
dEEJ
>
>
>dEEJ <de...@biosciences.demon.co.uk> wrote
>
>> Guess who's coming, guess who's coming it's Paul
>
>You`re just too weird!
******
*dEEJ*
******
Paul
dEEJ <de...@biosciences.demon.co.uk> wrote
> Guess who's coming, guess who's coming it's Paul
Hmm! Don`t get out much, do you?
P
the junkie
<de...@biosciences.demon.co.uk> writes
>Guess who's coming, guess who's coming it's Paul
>>I don`t know WHAT to say! Can you please explain?
>Sure, Gene...
>[grasps sides in hilarious chortle]
>... they... [larf]... are just marvelous aren't they.
Anyone noticed that now Martin Rossiter has shaved his head he is
supposed to be a bit of a thug all of a sudden?
~the JUnKIE
*****love spreads her arms|
*waits there for the nails|
Paul
the junkie <Ma...@akooka.demon.co.uk> wrote
> Anyone noticed that now Martin Rossiter has shaved his head he is
> supposed to be a bit of a thug all of a sudden?
You mean that he ISN`T?
P
Plug
not a thug, an arse, yes, but not a thug!
Paul wrote in message <01be8528$bae1d160$f3075cc3@default>...
AloupisM
>supposed to be a bit of a thug all of a sudden?
Wow, he has got Morrissey beat - it took HIM a good 12 years to reach HIS
"Boxers" stage!
the junkie
<Pa...@atb.softnet.co.uk> writes
>
>
>the junkie <Ma...@akooka.demon.co.uk> wrote
>> Anyone noticed that now Martin Rossiter has shaved his head he is
>> supposed to be a bit of a thug all of a sudden?
>
No, despite the fact that he has less hair than previously, he is still
Martin Rossiter from Gene who wouldn't hurt a flea if it murdered his
entire family with an axe.
It looks like a pathetic attempt on behalf of his record company to make
Gene more commercial. Of course, it wouldn't be something as simple as
that, would it?
Paul
the junkie <Ma...@akooka.demon.co.uk> wrote
> No, despite the fact that he has less hair than previously, he is still
> Martin Rossiter from Gene who wouldn't hurt a flea if it murdered his
> entire family with an axe.
Don`t mean to be a pedant, but could a flea *lift* an axe? I suppose if it
were a `flea sized axe` then, yes, it could! But could a `flea sized axe`
inflict enough damage so as to wipe out an entire family? Unless of course
Rossiters family are the size of ants. But then how could Rossiters mother
have possibly given birth to a full sized person? Unless of course Rossiter
(and therefore his band) are all the size of fleas! Do fender make
`flea-sized` guitars? I rest my, rather heavy, case, M`lud!
P
the junkie
<Pa...@atb.softnet.co.uk> writes
The improbability of such an event is irrelevant given the hypothetical
nature of the argument.
And yes, Martin Rossiter is the size of a flea, and they don't actually
play instruments, they use their flea vocal chords to make squealing
noises instead, which is why they sound so bad.
Paul
the junkie <Ma...@akooka.demon.co.uk> wrote
> And yes, Martin Rossiter is the size of a flea, and they don't actually
> play instruments, they use their flea vocal chords to make squealing
> noises instead, which is why they sound so bad.
Ahh! Well that explains it then! Thanks for clearing that one up! :)
P
dEEJ
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dEEJ <de...@biosciences.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
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dEEJ
>P
>
>dEEJ <de...@biosciences.demon.co.uk> wrote in article
><PQuKlJAJ...@biosciences.demon.co.uk>...
>> Guess who's coming, guess who's coming it's Paul
>> <Pa...@atb.softnet.co.uk> :
>> >Hmm! Don`t get out much, do you?
>> Erm... why do you ask?
>> ******
>> *dEEJ*
>> ******
>>
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Thomas J. Motzny
can't believe it's the opposite in the UK, but I'll trust you seeing as
how you live their.
I've forgotton who NME named #1 album of the 80's. Now I
remember, it was the Stone Roses. It certainly wasn't because Ian Brown
was a better singer than Morrissey. Could it be because of. . .naw,
couldn't be.
-_Tom
Scott
>
> Morrissey has had more chart success in the US than Electronic. I
> can't believe it's the opposite in the UK, but I'll trust you seeing as
> how you live their.
> I've forgotton who NME named #1 album of the 80's. Now I
> remember, it was the Stone Roses. It certainly wasn't because Ian Brown
> was a better singer than Morrissey. Could it be because of. . .naw,
> couldn't be.
> -_Tom
>
What does that have to do with how good a guitarist Squire is compared
to Marr? Maybe Reni was a better drummer than Joyce. Besides, I don't
care what NME says, the Stone Roses wasn't anywhere near the best album
of the 80s. It wasn't even the best album of the year. (1989)
Scott
mtm
Reni still IS one of the best drummers in the UK, without a doubt. And he IS
better than Joyce, technically. But Joyce fitted perfectgly into the Smiths´
format!
> Besides, I don't
> care what NME says, the Stone Roses wasn't anywhere near the best album
> of the 80s. It wasn't even the best album of the year. (1989)
in my eyes, their debut LP is one of the greatest albums of all times. Very
Byrds-like, with nice harmonies floating around...
Mark.
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fountainhead
the junkie wrote in message <5l0YDDAo...@akooka.demon.co.uk>...
>No, despite the fact that he has less hair than previously, he is still
>Martin Rossiter from Gene who wouldn't hurt a flea if it murdered his
>entire family with an axe.
>
>It looks like a pathetic attempt on behalf of his record company to make
>Gene more commercial.
interesting ploy. why not continue the campaign by giving his band a
tune or two?
f.
-- DB --
Thomas J. Motzny <tmo...@shrike.depaul.edu> writes
> I've forgotton who NME named #1 album of the 80's. Now I
>remember, it was the Stone Roses. It certainly wasn't because Ian Brown
>was a better singer than Morrissey. Could it be because of. . .naw,
>couldn't be.
I think Ian Brown's voice comes across better than Moz's on record.
Probably because they are both Mancs but Ian's accent comes on stronger.
Oops, I just realised, that probably isn't a very clever thing to post
here, sorry!
-- DB --
the junkie
<founta...@lineone.net> writes
>interesting ploy. why not continue the campaign by giving his band a
>tune or two?
What? And alienate their fans in the process?
Scott
>
> Morrissey has had more chart success in the US than Electronic. I
> can't believe it's the opposite in the UK, but I'll trust you seeing as
> how you live their.
> remember, it was the Stone Roses. It certainly wasn't because Ian Brown
> was a better singer than Morrissey. Could it be because of. . .naw,
> couldn't be.
>
By your logic Carl Wilson must be the a better guitarist than either
Marr or Squire, because Pet Sounds was named the greatest album of
all-time by NME.
Scott
Scott
I also think that the Stone Roses was a great album, just not the
greatest. In my opinion there has been many albums made that are far
better. As for albums released the same year I prefer New Order, Pixies,
and De La Soul.
Scott
mtm
Scott wrote:
well, Pet Sounds is an amazing record. The production is awesome, isn´t it?
Brian Wilson is a genius.
Ian Brown cannot sing in live situations, his voice on record is a matter or a
result of numerous layers of vocals, whereas Morrissey´s vocals always come
through as one "thing" (sorry, I am German). I alwasy wondered why Moz refused
to work on his vocals a bit more, a bit of harmonies would have helped out at
times. Especially on Meat is Murder there are quite a bit of flaws, aren´t
there? At times he IS off-key, that is a fact, gentlemen :-)
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his lack of overdubs/ backing vocals (which occur only occasionally) is a
matter of his persona. Would Sinatra overdub? Never.
As for Ian v. Moz (or the bigger issue The Smiths v. The Stone
Roses), I really think it is a matter of style. Not personal style, mind
you, but a matter of how each band construes their style. The Smiths were
putting Morrissey as their front man. The records were produced to put
him in the spot light. The band got its image from Morrissey's quirks
(for lack of a better word). The rest of the band consciously stepped to
the back.
The Roses are a different subject all together. They play off of
each other a lot more and they all get a pretty even mix on the records.
Just listen to the interplay between musicians on "Fool's Gold." The
Smiths don't do things like that. The Roses were also a lot more
interested in being "rock n' roll" than The Smiths. Moz & co. are really
unique in terms of how they sounded, much more eclectic. The Stone Roses
sound a lot more like a "rock band."
Finally, in Squire v. Marr debate, I think the only proof is the
live show. Brown can't sing live, but Squire sounds amazing all by
himself. The Smiths did pick up an extra guitarist to play live. The
point is still debatable, but Squire drives the live show much more than
Marr drives the Smiths. Listen.
To the person from Germany, you're English sounds good. Way
better than my German, in fact.
--Tom
Paul
Thomas J. Motzny <tmo...@shrike.depaul.edu> wrote
> The Smiths did pick up an extra guitarist to play live.
They only had an extra guitarist for one year, even then, he wasn`t simply
brought in for live work, he recorded with the band too. The VAST majority
of Smiths gigs were as a four-piece.
P
Scott
on the recordings after The Queen Is Dead, ie Ask.
Scott
Thomas J. Motzny wrote:
>
> Does he get any kind of recording credit? I am certain that he
> doesn't on _Strangeways_, but he might on a few songs on _Louder than
> Bombs_.
> --Tom
Paul
singles and b-sides he played on during his brief tenure in the band.
P
Thomas J. Motzny <tmo...@shrike.depaul.edu> wrote in article
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them.
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Paul
Plug <Pl...@badhamk.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
> Personally I thought the band actually lost a lot live when Gannon was
with
> them.
Would it be too cruel to suggest that JM got slightly lazy?
P
Scott
>
> Speaking of Craig Gannon, I read that he wrote some of the music on "Ask", and
> I was wondering if anyone knows what he wrote?
>
> John Strohl
None of it. He only claimed to have wrote some of it.
Scott
John959595
mtm
Scott wrote:
> None of it. He only claimed to have wrote some of it.
>
> Scott
wrong, even Marr admitted that Gannon came up with the basic chord sequence (which
is a very simple one)
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John959595 <john9...@aol.com> wrote
> Speaking of Craig Gannon, I read that he wrote some of the music on
"Ask", and
> I was wondering if anyone knows what he wrote?
He wrote the 3rd, 7th, 19th, 32nd and 134th notes.*
The story is, that he had `some` input, but as far as `writing`, I`m sure
that he`s just trying to build up his part.
P
*this is a joke, btw. (just in case?)
Scott
Really? When did he say that?
Scott
Raja Dasgupta
On 16 May 1999, John959595 wrote:
> Speaking of Craig Gannon, I read that he wrote some of the music on "Ask", and
> I was wondering if anyone knows what he wrote?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> John Strohl
>
>
Gannon claimed he wrote the chord sequence and Johnny just changed the
strumming pattern a bit. He later withdrew the claim after Johnny had a
"chat" with him. What puzzles me is why anyone would insult their own
ability by trying to claim they "wrote" the chord sequence G,A,C,D,
which is possibly the most obvious pattern possible on the guitar.
Don't get me wrong, I love the song, the vocals and the picking over the
top, but claiming you wrote such a simple chord sequence is desperate.
Raj.
AloupisM
Paul
Raja Dasgupta <rd7...@bris.ac.uk> wrote in article
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>What puzzles me is why anyone would insult their own
> ability by trying to claim they "wrote" the chord sequence G,A,C,D,
Not wanting to sound picky, but the chords are G,Am,C,D. The minor makes
*all* the difference!:)
P
mtm
> > wrong, even Marr admitted that Gannon came up with the basic chord sequence (which
> > is a very simple one)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> Really? When did he say that?
>
> Scott
I don´t remember the source. Could be the book "Severed Alliance".
But I am sure that I remember it right. Gannon wrote the music and sued afterwards.
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I have that book. Marr never said that Gannon came up with the chord
sequence; at least not in there.
Scott
Paul
mtm <Belm...@gmx.de> wrote
> I don´t remember the source. Could be the book "Severed Alliance".
> But I am sure that I remember it right. Gannon wrote the music and sued
afterwards.
I don`t think that he got anything for his alledged writing of Ask, the
money he was paid was for his unpaid touring fees (?)
P
mtm
Paul wrote:
> I don`t think that he got anything for his alledged writing of Ask, the
> money he was paid was for his unpaid touring fees (?)
>
>
btw, does anyone know where that man is and if he is in any band right now?
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Last I heard he was playing in Roddy Frame's band. We were going to see him
play in Bristol and a friend suggested I say to him, "hey, aren't you the guy
Johnny Marr called a lazy bastard?"
I wrote a really crap song when I was about 14 and the chords were the same as
'Ask'. I wouldn't be surprised if most people who've ever composed anything
started out with similar chords. I think the lead riff on 'Ask' is what makes
the guitar part so great, not the chords, which are a bit naff really.
Kiss my shades,
Alison Caroline
(The Weston-Super-Mermaid)
http://members.aol.com/Mozaholic/lovedandlost.html
zman
that lead riff?
Paul
zman <zman(nospam)@connext.net> wrote
> The chords for "Ask" are G, C, Am, D.
Well, those are the right chords, but not in the right order! It`s G, Am,
C, D.
> But does anyone know the notes on that lead riff?
Yes! I can play it, but I don`t know what the notes are. I suppose I could
work it out, if I could be bothered, which I can`t.
P
zman
If you get the time, just post the notes to this group (which I read a few
times a week) and We'll figure out the phrasing and so forth.
Later,
Dave
mtm
combined with a little sliding. Kinda similar to THIS CHARMING MAN riff!
Mark
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yourself. It definitely sounds harder than it actually is...