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Touga no Miko

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Nov 27, 2001, 12:52:47 PM11/27/01
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A conversation I had with someone got me thinking.

I know a lot of people are all gung ho about going to Chicago should Zwan
peform and stuff but...

Why?

From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins did? Or
are you going JUST because it's Billy? Or do you have ulterior motives like
using it as an excuse to see friends or whatever?

And yes I -do- realize this is OT but unfortunately I dun get alt.music.zwan
yet and there's enough topics here anyway.

~TnM
Mmmm
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R. Mast

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Nov 27, 2001, 1:16:25 PM11/27/01
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Touga no Miko wrote:
>
> A conversation I had with someone got me thinking.
>
> I know a lot of people are all gung ho about going to Chicago should Zwan
> peform and stuff but...
>
> Why?
>
> From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins did? Or
> are you going JUST because it's Billy? Or do you have ulterior motives like
> using it as an excuse to see friends or whatever?
>
> And yes I -do- realize this is OT but unfortunately I dun get alt.music.zwan
> yet and there's enough topics here anyway.
>

I would go simply because Billy -was- the Pumpkins. And now I'm loving
Zwan just like I loved the Pumpkins. I knew I wouldn't be disappointed.
I'm glad Billy's decided to make simple music.

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-R. Mast

Nate Petreman

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Nov 27, 2001, 2:16:25 PM11/27/01
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> I would go simply because Billy -was- the Pumpkins. And now I'm loving
> Zwan just like I loved the Pumpkins. I knew I wouldn't be disappointed.
> I'm glad Billy's decided to make simple music.


Im pretty happy with Zwan. I am into their style, and Im sure it can only
get better...they just need to bring it east a little bit and update their
webpage.
Nate


Scott McDowell

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Nov 27, 2001, 2:15:25 PM11/27/01
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R. Mast:

I agree that it's worth going to see Zwan, but it's also an opportunity to
meet up with people you rarely, if ever, get the chance to see.

Scott

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Dave Asselin

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Nov 27, 2001, 8:56:53 PM11/27/01
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On 27 Nov 2001 17:52:47 GMT, noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko )
wrote:

>From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins did?

It just may do that; all I know is right now I am totally 0wn3d by
"The Shining Path" and "Broken Heart".

I didn't even really like "Broken Heart" that much when I first heard
it, but it has sunk its teeth into my brain and I can't seem to shake
it loose.

"Shining Path" makes me feel the same way that "Muzzle" and
"Raindrops" did when I first heard them. There's something perfect yet
almost accidental about them.

Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like he's
singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.

- Dave

Brian Krell

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Nov 27, 2001, 9:31:58 PM11/27/01
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"Dave Asselin" <RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com> wrote

> On 27 Nov 2001 17:52:47 GMT, noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko )
> wrote:
>
> >From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins
did?
>
> It just may do that; all I know is right now I am totally 0wn3d by
> "The Shining Path" and "Broken Heart".

Don't forget "What Have They Done To Me"!

Who votes for the continuation of "CaBt:"?


> I didn't even really like "Broken Heart" that much when I first heard
> it, but it has sunk its teeth into my brain and I can't seem to shake
> it loose.
>
> "Shining Path" makes me feel the same way that "Muzzle" and
> "Raindrops" did when I first heard them. There's something perfect yet
> almost accidental about them.

I totally love about 85% of "Shining Path," but there's something about the
"let your body sing" lines that I just don't like. They come off a little
too sing-songy, which is a shame, because like I said, I think everything
else about the song is completely amazing.

> Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like he's
> singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.

I hear "to stay warm."


--
Brian Krell (brian at hollowgen dot net)
CaBt: What Have They Done To Me


Jason Briggeman

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Nov 27, 2001, 9:48:17 PM11/27/01
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RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com (Dave Asselin) wrote in
<c5h80u835vm5k9ba0...@4ax.com>:
>Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like he's
>singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.

LGB thought that's what it was, too. But I bet it's "to stay warm"...
which is certainly lessa cool.

--
Jason Briggeman
brig...@earthlink.net

"I'd like to thank the guise of Zwan
for letting us open for them tonight."

Jason Briggeman

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Nov 27, 2001, 10:19:04 PM11/27/01
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noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko ) wrote in
<20011127125247...@mb-md.aol.com>:
>A conversation I had with someone got me thinking.
>
>I know a lot of people are all gung ho about going to Chicago should
>Zwan peform and stuff but...
>
>Why?

I live here. But, I did fly to Los Angeles to see Zwan on significantly
less knowledge than we have now, so I can still answer... conceptually.


>From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins
>did? Or are you going JUST because it's Billy? Or do you have ulterior
>motives like using it as an excuse to see friends or whatever?

I didn't go just because it was Billy, but because it was Billy and Jimmy
together. I believe that's close to 100% of why "the Smashing Pumpkins"
were great. And, that's it... if I believe that, I'd be crazy not to go.
If I believe that, then Zwan was my favourite band before they even set
foot on stage. Zwan has the Billy-Jimmy axis that the Pumpkins had.
Zwan's first show is those boys' next show. I'm there.

And, yeah, I have faith, based on prior experience. I went to the first
(full band) Adore show and the first Arising! show; both rohked.

Now. Having actually seen Zwan, I can say this: from 1996-1998, "the
Smashing Pumpkins" were playing concerts without Jimmy. Zwan, 2001, is
absolutely a better live act than that TSP. Zwan is also more "fun" to see
than the Pumpkins of any era. These shows were a blast.

--
Jason Briggeman
brig...@earthlink.net

"You like that middle-of-the-road pedestrian shit...I can't
be held responsible for that." --Dave Asselin, on To Sheila

Dave Asselin

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Nov 27, 2001, 10:23:00 PM11/27/01
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Well, of course you're probably right, because when I *first* heard
the song, I thought he was singing "Tuesday's Won", and then I thought
"What the hell's so special about Tuesday anyway?" and then he sang
"My day will come" and I thought "maybe Tuesday's just not his day?"

And then I said to myself, "Now is not the time for this! Just wipe
your ass and get out of the bathroom; someone else may need to use it
for some greater purpose than deciphering Corgan Obscuranta."

- Dave

R. Mast

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Nov 27, 2001, 10:37:40 PM11/27/01
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I love the six Jason G songs except for Jesus. That song is so lame.
It's just a void right now. I skip it every time I listen to them. I'm
getting these SHN's to hear the others. My favorite right now is 'El
Sol' for the part where I think he sings:

I had to let you go
to see my love fade from your eyes
and to my surprise
its what I wanted

The change from true love to realizing he doesn't need this girl is so
great.

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-R. Mast

Fares Halteh

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Nov 27, 2001, 10:39:01 PM11/27/01
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"Dave Asselin" <RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com> wrote in message

> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:31:58 -0800, "Brian Krell"
> <brianATholl...@remove.this> wrote:
>
> >"Dave Asselin" <RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com> wrote
> >> On 27 Nov 2001 17:52:47 GMT, noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko )
> >> wrote:
> >> Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like he's
> >> singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
> >
> >I hear "to stay warm."
>
> Well, of course you're probably right, because when I *first* heard
> the song, I thought he was singing "Tuesday's Won", and then I thought
> "What the hell's so special about Tuesday anyway?" and then he sang
> "My day will come" and I thought "maybe Tuesday's just not his day?"

Woah....I thought it was obviously "Do stay One"
Perhaps I'm totally wrong.

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"I've pissed my life away, in every way I know"

Fares Halteh

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Nov 27, 2001, 10:45:38 PM11/27/01
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"R. Mast" <rym...@home.com> wrote in message

> Dave Asselin wrote:
> >
> > On 27 Nov 2001 17:52:47 GMT, noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko )
> > wrote:
> >
> > >From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins
did?
> >
> > It just may do that; all I know is right now I am totally 0wn3d by
> > "The Shining Path" and "Broken Heart".
> >
> > I didn't even really like "Broken Heart" that much when I first heard
> > it, but it has sunk its teeth into my brain and I can't seem to shake
> > it loose.
> >
> > "Shining Path" makes me feel the same way that "Muzzle" and
> > "Raindrops" did when I first heard them. There's something perfect yet
> > almost accidental about them.
> >
> > Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like he's
> > singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
> >
> > - Dave
>
> I love the six Jason G songs except for Jesus. That song is so lame.
> It's just a void right now. I skip it every time I listen to them. I'm
> getting these SHN's to hear the others. My favorite right now is 'El
> Sol' for the part where I think he sings:

I heard the first 2 shows about a million times now and I will say that
Jesus I is prolly the weakest Zwan song, at least in my eyes.

Brian Krell

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Nov 27, 2001, 10:58:50 PM11/27/01
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"Dave Asselin" <RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com> wrote
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2001 18:31:58 -0800, "Brian Krell"
> <brianATholl...@remove.this> wrote:
>
> >"Dave Asselin" <RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com> wrote
> >> On 27 Nov 2001 17:52:47 GMT, noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko )
> >> wrote:
> >> Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like he's
> >> singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
> >
> >I hear "to stay warm."
>
> Well, of course you're probably right, because when I *first* heard
> the song, I thought he was singing "Tuesday's Won", and then I thought
> "What the hell's so special about Tuesday anyway?" and then he sang
> "My day will come" and I thought "maybe Tuesday's just not his day?"

Up until today, I actually thought it was "Tuesday's Won" also. But after
listening to it repeatedly this afternoon, I've decided otherwise :-)


--
Brian Krell (brian at hollowgen dot net)

<jeroen> but still, i think it's a pity there aren't many more people like
me


34

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Jason Briggeman wa sou itta:

> RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com (Dave Asselin) wrote in
>> Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like
>> he's singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
> LGB thought that's what it was, too. But I bet it's "to stay warm"...
> which is certainly lessa cool.

I'd have guessed "do as they want".

Still no clue on glorious, though- bound to fall? Bountiful?
Wonderwall? Butterball?

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Fares Halteh

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Nov 27, 2001, 11:23:13 PM11/27/01
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"34" <inv...@example.com> wrote in message

> Jason Briggeman wa sou itta:
> > RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com (Dave Asselin) wrote in
> >> Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like
> >> he's singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
> > LGB thought that's what it was, too. But I bet it's "to stay warm"...
> > which is certainly lessa cool.
>
> I'd have guessed "do as they want".
>
> Still no clue on glorious, though- bound to fall? Bountiful?
> Wonderwall? Butterball?

Always thought it was Bountiful......

e.r.

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Nov 27, 2001, 11:22:22 PM11/27/01
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Scott Mcdowell:

>I agree that it's worth going to see Zwan, but it's also an opportunity
>to
>meet up with people you rarely, if ever, get the chance to see.
>
>Scott

I second that. Seeing people I've met throughout the years [whom I get to see
all too rarely] is always a treat. Of course it came about because of my love
for the music, so it's the icing on the cake. ;)

e.r. these lyrics you're reading mean nothing like this; they
belong to my mouth and your ears.

Geocities.com/winsomeporcelina


normalperson

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Nov 27, 2001, 11:27:33 PM11/27/01
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splat! Fares Halteh:

> "R. Mast" <rym...@home.com> wrote in message
>
> > Dave Asselin wrote:
> > >
> > > On 27 Nov 2001 17:52:47 GMT, noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko )
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins
> did?
> > >
> > > It just may do that; all I know is right now I am totally 0wn3d by
> > > "The Shining Path" and "Broken Heart".
> > >
> > > I didn't even really like "Broken Heart" that much when I first heard
> > > it, but it has sunk its teeth into my brain and I can't seem to shake
> > > it loose.
> > >
> > > "Shining Path" makes me feel the same way that "Muzzle" and
> > > "Raindrops" did when I first heard them. There's something perfect yet
> > > almost accidental about them.
> > >
> > > Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like he's
> > > singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
> > >
> > > - Dave
> >
> > I love the six Jason G songs except for Jesus. That song is so lame.
> > It's just a void right now. I skip it every time I listen to them. I'm
> > getting these SHN's to hear the others. My favorite right now is 'El
> > Sol' for the part where I think he sings:
>
> I heard the first 2 shows about a million times now and I will say that
> Jesus I is prolly the weakest Zwan song, at least in my eyes.

Jesus I is really growing on me for the music, but lyrically it's random.
I really don't get how the whole "I'm waiting for my man...hey
whiteboy...whatcha doing downtown?" part fits in with the rest of the
song. I really dig the crescendo parts of Jesus I, though.

--
Eric Wong | http://normalperson.cjb.net
AIM:nrmlprsn | ICQ:5149095

normalperson

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Nov 27, 2001, 11:33:17 PM11/27/01
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splat! 34:

> Jason Briggeman wa sou itta:
> > RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com (Dave Asselin) wrote in
> >> Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like
> >> he's singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
> > LGB thought that's what it was, too. But I bet it's "to stay warm"...
> > which is certainly lessa cool.
>
> I'd have guessed "do as they want".
>
> Still no clue on glorious, though- bound to fall? Bountiful?
> Wonderwall? Butterball?

I still think it's 'bound to fall'. ''bout to fall' crossed my mind, but
after hearing the 011118 Schoeps SHN I definitely hear a 'n' sound there.
I'm pretty surei it's 'all' at the end of that, so I guess 'bountiful'
would be ruled out in my mind.

--
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AIM:nrmlprsn | ICQ:5149095

np: 011118 - Don't Let Me Down

Brian Krell

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"Fares Halteh" <Hal...@Rogers.com> wrote

> "R. Mast" <rym...@home.com> wrote in message
>
> > Dave Asselin wrote:
> > >
> > > On 27 Nov 2001 17:52:47 GMT, noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko )
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the
Pumpkins
> did?
> > >
> > > It just may do that; all I know is right now I am totally 0wn3d by
> > > "The Shining Path" and "Broken Heart".
> > >
> > > I didn't even really like "Broken Heart" that much when I first heard
> > > it, but it has sunk its teeth into my brain and I can't seem to shake
> > > it loose.
> > >
> > > "Shining Path" makes me feel the same way that "Muzzle" and
> > > "Raindrops" did when I first heard them. There's something perfect yet
> > > almost accidental about them.
> > >
> > > Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like he's
> > > singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
> > >
> > > - Dave
> >
> > I love the six Jason G songs except for Jesus. That song is so lame.
> > It's just a void right now. I skip it every time I listen to them. I'm
> > getting these SHN's to hear the others. My favorite right now is 'El
> > Sol' for the part where I think he sings:
>
> I heard the first 2 shows about a million times now and I will say that
> Jesus I is prolly the weakest Zwan song, at least in my eyes.

To me, it seems like a fun jam. The music's easy to groove to, but the
lyrics are uninteresting, and for what it is, it's too long to really get in
to. I'd probably consider it my least favorite, too.


--
Brian Krell
brian at hollowgen dot net

"the let your body sing part is goofy. it's like.. 'this episode of
sesame street has been brought to you by the letter b0lly'" -jillySP


Brady

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Nov 28, 2001, 12:13:15 AM11/28/01
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34 <inv...@example.com> wrote in message
news:9u1ojh$a...@dispatch.concentric.net...

> Jason Briggeman wa sou itta:
> > RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com (Dave Asselin) wrote in
> >> Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like
> >> he's singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
> > LGB thought that's what it was, too. But I bet it's "to stay warm"...
> > which is certainly lessa cool.
>
> I'd have guessed "do as they want".
>
> Still no clue on glorious, though- bound to fall? Bountiful?
> Wonderwall? Butterball?
>

I still hope it's "evolve to fall" but eh... I don't care if it isn't right.
It makes sense to me and I'm going to sing it like that, forever.


Brady
that made no sense, my brain is mush from this damn poetry analysis on
Leonard Cohen.


Stacy Fuller

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Nov 28, 2001, 12:03:36 AM11/28/01
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On 27 Nov 2001 17:52:47 GMT, noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko )
wrote:

>A conversation I had with someone got me thinking.


>
>I know a lot of people are all gung ho about going to Chicago should Zwan
>peform and stuff but...
>
>Why?
>
>From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins did? Or
>are you going JUST because it's Billy? Or do you have ulterior motives like
>using it as an excuse to see friends or whatever?
>

well...as for me, i attended the l.a. shows for many reasons. of
course, first and foremost, i was hoping that billy and jimmy wouldn't
let me down, and they did not disappoint. i didn't really know, going
into it, though...so there were a few moments of doubt.

part of my reason for going was because the timing was right, i could
afford to miss some work, and it's not close enough to my wedding date
to inspire panic...secondly, i'm not going to be able to do this kind
of thing forever, and i wanted another "experience." and yes, a lot
of that did have to do with the people i wanted to see. i've made a
lot of great friends over the past 3 1/2 years that i've been on amsp,
and it was nice to spend time with some of them.

that's my story.

stace
"Everyone always say 'oh, you are from japan-
money is no problem'... fuck off"--kanako

jill harrison

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Nov 28, 2001, 12:42:51 AM11/28/01
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"Brian Krell" wrote ...
> "Fares Halteh" wrote...
> > "R. Mast" wrote in message

BUT I LOVE THAT SONG, MAN!

silly out-of-context sig quotes.

*shakes head*

-jillyz

--
ji...@uchicago.edu
aim: jillySP
icq: 9637455

oh wait. i guess i best not be talkin'. ;)


Courtnay Loch

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Nov 28, 2001, 12:31:43 AM11/28/01
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Brady wrote:
>
> 34 <inv...@example.com> wrote in message
> news:9u1ojh$a...@dispatch.concentric.net...
> > Jason Briggeman wa sou itta:
> > > RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com (Dave Asselin) wrote in
> > >> Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like
> > >> he's singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
> > > LGB thought that's what it was, too. But I bet it's "to stay warm"...
> > > which is certainly lessa cool.
> >
> > I'd have guessed "do as they want".
> >
> > Still no clue on glorious, though- bound to fall? Bountiful?
> > Wonderwall? Butterball?
>
> I still hope it's "evolve to fall" but eh... I don't care if it isn't right.
> It makes sense to me and I'm going to sing it like that, forever.

sorta like.. "i went bowwwwwling.." i don't think that will ever go
away.. only i guess it's a little different.


courtnay
"i just tried to make everyone, uh, you know, part of the group. but
when they're worried about demon possession, what can you do?" -evan

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Tim Byron

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Nov 28, 2001, 3:27:36 AM11/28/01
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On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:45:38 GMT, "Fares Halteh" <Hal...@Rogers.com>:

>> > Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like he's
>> > singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
>> >
>> > - Dave
>>
>> I love the six Jason G songs except for Jesus. That song is so lame.
>> It's just a void right now. I skip it every time I listen to them. I'm
>> getting these SHN's to hear the others. My favorite right now is 'El
>> Sol' for the part where I think he sings:
>
>I heard the first 2 shows about a million times now and I will say that
>Jesus I is prolly the weakest Zwan song, at least in my eyes.

I would say Jesus is the strongest of the ones I've heard. It's all
about the riff. It's a live song, I suspect. Whereas some of the other
songs are good songs but seem more like Billy in his bedroom. If that
makes any sense.

tim.

Andrew Miller

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noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko ) wrote in message news:<20011127125247...@mb-md.aol.com>...

> A conversation I had with someone got me thinking.
>
> I know a lot of people are all gung ho about going to Chicago should Zwan
> peform and stuff but...
>
> Why?
>
> From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins did? Or
> are you going JUST because it's Billy? Or do you have ulterior motives like
> using it as an excuse to see friends or whatever?
>
> And yes I -do- realize this is OT but unfortunately I dun get alt.music.zwan
> yet and there's enough topics here anyway.


Number one, I went because one of the shows happened to be scheduled
over the weekend so that I didn't have to take any vacation time,
which I have none at this point in the year. Had all the shows taken
place in the middle of the week I would been very sad and very
disappointed.

Number two, because it was Billy. If Jimmy wasn't a part of Zwan I
still would have gone. But thank God Jimmy is in Zwan.

Number three, I really couldn't think of a reason *not* to go. I went
because it was relatively close to where I live. Just an hour long
plane ride for just $125. Had the show been in Boston or
Miami...well, I'm just glad it was only in LA.

Number four, it is a nice chance to meet up with the online friends
I've made over the years. Unfortunately some notables were unable to
attend, but maybe they'll make the next event show...and unlike after
the last Pumpkins show, I'm fully confident there will be another
event show in the not too distant future (though I'll probably have to
beg out on a Chicago Christmas show if it does happen)...


andy
(taller than jjb when sitting)
you and i high in the sky


"You guys rock!" -- BC - 11.18.01

Touga no Miko

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Nov 28, 2001, 5:28:57 PM11/28/01
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Judging from the posts that actually WERE on the topic and not dissecting
lyrics it seems that people went because partly of the Billy/Jimmy connection
and because of the chance to see folks.


And it sounds like they came away from it liking the band more then they
thought they would.

So ok. I can understand it now.

As for me I've only heard Broken Heart & Glorious (oh damn my 56k!) and while
Glorious had me going "Mmm" Broken Heart sort of kicked my ass with it's
delishness.

As for the possibility of a Zwan Christmas show and me going that answer is no.
I'll probably be too busy packing for my move and my luck in Chicago isn't
-that- good.

I'll expect reviews and a copy of the show however **^^**

~TnM
In case you're interested: http://nearmissmedia.com/judasthoughts.html
np: Over the wall (version 2) - Splashdown. NEW SPLASHDOWN! w00t. Miss my Stars
& Garters cd.
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Fares Halteh

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"R. Mast" <rym...@home.com> wrote in message

> Touga no Miko wrote:
> >
> > A conversation I had with someone got me thinking.
> >
> > I know a lot of people are all gung ho about going to Chicago should
Zwan
> > peform and stuff but...
> >
> > Why?
> >
> > From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins
did? Or
> > are you going JUST because it's Billy? Or do you have ulterior motives
like
> > using it as an excuse to see friends or whatever?
> >
> > And yes I -do- realize this is OT but unfortunately I dun get
alt.music.zwan
> > yet and there's enough topics here anyway.
> >
>

> I would go simply because Billy -was- the Pumpkins. And now I'm loving
> Zwan just like I loved the Pumpkins. I knew I wouldn't be disappointed.
> I'm glad Billy's decided to make simple music.

YHBT

R. Mast

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Nov 28, 2001, 10:39:32 PM11/28/01
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Fares Halteh wrote:
>
> "R. Mast" <rym...@home.com> wrote in message
>
> > Touga no Miko wrote:
> > >
> > > A conversation I had with someone got me thinking.
> > >
> > > I know a lot of people are all gung ho about going to Chicago should
> Zwan
> > > peform and stuff but...
> > >
> > > Why?
> > >
> > > From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins
> did? Or
> > > are you going JUST because it's Billy? Or do you have ulterior motives
> like
> > > using it as an excuse to see friends or whatever?
> > >
> > > And yes I -do- realize this is OT but unfortunately I dun get
> alt.music.zwan
> > > yet and there's enough topics here anyway.
> > >
> >
> > I would go simply because Billy -was- the Pumpkins. And now I'm loving
> > Zwan just like I loved the Pumpkins. I knew I wouldn't be disappointed.
> > I'm glad Billy's decided to make simple music.
>
> YHBT
>

Zwan doesn't actually exist, the SHN's are just 34 in his basement.

Best...Troll....Ever!

--
-R. Mast

Jason Smith

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Nov 28, 2001, 10:46:28 PM11/28/01
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"Brian Krell" <brianATholl...@remove.this> wrote in message news:<9u1pbk$pb4$1...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>...
> "Fares Halteh" <Hal...@Rogers.com> wrote

> > I heard the first 2 shows about a million times now and I will say that
> > Jesus I is prolly the weakest Zwan song, at least in my eyes.
>
> To me, it seems like a fun jam. The music's easy to groove to, but the
> lyrics are uninteresting, and for what it is, it's too long to really get in
> to. I'd probably consider it my least favorite, too.

Jesus, I=Ravel's Bolero

Love both of 'em. Jesus and Broken Heart are by far my two favorites.

-Jason

Fares Halteh

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Nov 28, 2001, 10:55:49 PM11/28/01
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That's right, Mast, this makes your "troll" look silly in comparison!

You'll never top this, which means that in one fell swoop i have STOLEN YOUR
PLACE IN AMSP HISTORY! {laughs maniacally}

Jason Briggeman

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Nov 28, 2001, 11:39:31 PM11/28/01
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frap...@stny.rr.com (Troy Frappier) wrote in
<e9390u0bjkio4eaum...@4ax.com>:

>On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:48:17 GMT, brig...@earthlink.net (Jason
>Briggeman) wrote:
>>
>>LGB thought that's what it was, too. But I bet it's "to stay warm"...
>>which is certainly lessa cool.
>

>I can only imagine judging from the previous two models, that
>Briggeman v3.0 is the most awesome thing to come out of
>Indiana..possibly ever.

That's an opinion you share with the aforementioned previous models.

np: Halo Benders, "Virginia Reel Around the Fountain"
--
Jason Briggeman
brig...@earthlink.net

"'Livin' La Vida Loca' is the best song since 'Glycerine.'"
--Fungai Mtetwa

Jason Briggeman

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Nov 28, 2001, 11:46:11 PM11/28/01
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noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko ) wrote in
<20011128172857...@mb-mq.aol.com>:
>
>Judging from the posts that actually WERE on the topic and not
>dissecting lyrics it seems that people went because partly of the
>Billy/Jimmy connection and because of the chance to see folks.
>
>And it sounds like they came away from it liking the band more then they
>thought they would.
>
>So ok. I can understand it now.

Holy... [trails off]

Have we just witnessed communication on Usenet?

--
Jason Briggeman
brig...@earthlink.net

"Haha. Billy told us we rule." --CRL - 04.10.99

Jason Briggeman

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Nov 28, 2001, 11:42:33 PM11/28/01
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and...@tdl.com (Andrew Miller) wrote in
<c08676ef.0111...@posting.google.com>:
>"You guys rock!" -- BC - 11.18.01

Ah, memories... they light the curving surfaces inside my skull.

--
Jason Briggeman
brig...@earthlink.net

"One last thing: You guys rule." --BC - 04.10.99

Stacy Fuller

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On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 05:31:43 GMT, Courtnay Loch <c...@geekhive.net>
wrote:

>Brady wrote:
>>
>> 34 <inv...@example.com> wrote in message
>> news:9u1ojh$a...@dispatch.concentric.net...
>> > Jason Briggeman wa sou itta:
>> > > RIPpma...@xeroOUT.com (Dave Asselin) wrote in
>> > >> Plus, I don't have a clue what the lyrics are, but it sounds like
>> > >> he's singing "Doomsday won", which is hella cool.
>> > > LGB thought that's what it was, too. But I bet it's "to stay warm"...
>> > > which is certainly lessa cool.
>> >
>> > I'd have guessed "do as they want".
>> >
>> > Still no clue on glorious, though- bound to fall? Bountiful?
>> > Wonderwall? Butterball?
>>
>> I still hope it's "evolve to fall" but eh... I don't care if it isn't right.
>> It makes sense to me and I'm going to sing it like that, forever.
>
>sorta like.. "i went bowwwwwling.." i don't think that will ever go
>away.. only i guess it's a little different.
>

yeah...or like "dna is regenomed".


stace

Cap'n Lance Trousers

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Nov 30, 2001, 1:47:44 AM11/30/01
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On 27 Nov 2001 17:52:47 GMT, noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko )
wrote:

>A conversation I had with someone got me thinking.
>
>I know a lot of people are all gung ho about going to Chicago should Zwan
>peform and stuff but...
>
>Why?
>
>From what you've heard does it inspire that rabid fan that the Pumpkins did? Or
>are you going JUST because it's Billy? Or do you have ulterior motives like
>using it as an excuse to see friends or whatever?
>

I'm interested in Zwan because, IMO, a Zwan album would be, for all
intents and purposes, a new SP album. Or at least a close proximity.
You've got Billy writing, singing and playing guitar, and Jimmy on
drums. I know there are Darcy fans out there, but lets face it: she
wasn't the best bass player. I don't even think she plays on half
their songs anyway, and she wasn't there for the last tour, so it's
not a big loss. I always thought Iha was kind of underrated, but
still, the core of Zwan is SP. Except now Billy doesn't have the
burden of the fans' expectations that come with the Smashing Pumpkins
name. In other words, he doesn't have to play "Disarm" or "Zero", and
the album doesn't have to sound like MCIS. It's a different group,
technically.

------------------------------------
Can't sleep, clown will eat me...
Can't sleep, clown will eat me.

Touga no Miko

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Nov 30, 2001, 1:41:43 PM11/30/01
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Jason Briggeman:

>noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko ) wrote in
><20011128172857...@mb-mq.aol.com>:
>>
>>Judging from the posts that actually WERE on the topic and not
>>dissecting lyrics it seems that people went because partly of the
>>Billy/Jimmy connection and because of the chance to see folks.
>>
>>And it sounds like they came away from it liking the band more then they
>>thought they would.
>>
>>So ok. I can understand it now.
>
>Holy... [trails off]
>
>Have we just witnessed communication on Usenet?
>


I can never tell if its sarcasm or not with you Jason^^;

~TnM

Andrew Miller

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Nov 30, 2001, 7:35:10 PM11/30/01
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noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko ) wrote in message news:<20011130134143...@mb-md.aol.com>...

> Jason Briggeman:
>
> >noe...@aol.compassion ( Touga no Miko ) wrote in
> ><20011128172857...@mb-mq.aol.com>:
> >>
> >>Judging from the posts that actually WERE on the topic and not
> >>dissecting lyrics it seems that people went because partly of the
> >>Billy/Jimmy connection and because of the chance to see folks.
> >>
> >>And it sounds like they came away from it liking the band more then they
> >>thought they would.
> >>
> >>So ok. I can understand it now.
> >
> >Holy... [trails off]
> >
> >Have we just witnessed communication on Usenet?
> >
>
>
> I can never tell if its sarcasm or not with you Jason^^;

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Slacker #2: Are you being sarcastic, dude?
Slacker #1: I don't even know anymore...
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