daniel johns - billy corgan/thom yorke wannabe
John Purvey
was wearing the exsact same blackshirt white tie combo as Billy does?
And australians will know the original silverchair filmclip of tommorow
which was reshot for the usa, was a toal rip off of nirvana (and his
hair, stripey top, voice, arrrgghh!).
neon ballroom is full of tracks where DJ is now trying to rip off, thom
yorke's singing stlye!
howlong to we see a truly original silverchair, not some corporate
commercial Grunge wannabe band?
grunge is so passe anyhow...
fudge
just because certain aspects of him are similar to certain aspects of other
particular people, doesn't mean he's doing it on purpose.....ever heard of
the word coincidence? maybe he just likes those clothes....maybe that's just
the way his singing voice turned out....maybe he couldn't give two fucks
about what billy corgan and thom yorke are doing, doesn't even know...
pretentiousness is so passe anyhow...
hrmmm....
don't mind me, i'm just venting......i just don't like to see personal
attacks on ANYONE when the 'attacker' has no right to assume things they
might be completely wrong about...
love fudge
John Purvey
Daniel Johns does giva a fuck about Billy Corgan if you have read any of
silverchair interviews. On an Australian music show (recovery) they have been
screening a documentry on the silverchair tour in the usa. Today it featured
daniel johns playing some solo songs at a radio station. Guess what he was
wearing? Kurt Cobain (nevermind era) sunglasses, and matching Cobain outfit. Now
this is only image alone, noboy (apart from teeny-boppers) believes silverchair
posess any musical originality or integrity.....
Matt
<mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Now
> this is only image alone, noboy (apart from teeny-boppers) believes
silverchair
> posess any musical originality or integrity.....
How nice of you to speak for the rest of the world, Mr. Troll. I, for one,
am not a teeny-bopper by any stretch, and I enjoy Silverchair's music. They
have a certian energy and raw emotion I find quite appealing.
Now, I know you've got a busy schedule to keep, what with running around
Usenet insulting others in their groups, so I won't delve into your
doubtlessly dubious psychological profile. I'll just assume you're some
loser in life with no real control over anyone, and no means of asserting
power over anyone, which is why you try to bully others without the risk of
ever encountering them face-to-face via Usenet. It's a profile common to
most Usenet trolls -- you're a weakling and a coward in real life, so
attempt to compensate in a safe forum.
Until you find a way to gain the self-confidence you so badly require, you
shall have my pity. I hope a day comes for you when you do not need to put
down others to feel good about yourself. Good luck.
Matt
Bert Haveman
If Daniel wants to wear clothes that he likes, why are there always people
who associate that with grunge. Just let him wear that and listen to the
music. that's the most important thing of Silverchair
Adrian Beith
Bert Haveman wrote in message <7jta37$2pb$1...@enterprise.cistron.nl>...
Adrian Beith
raised some valid points, and I think that the pumpkins have chosen to
always pursue new 'sounds' to escape the cliched sound that bands such as
silverchair leech on to. Silverchair have never recorded any truly
'original' music, and they in Australia tend to cater to the teenage female
audience.... I would tend to rate silverchair n the same leauge of
unoriginal bands such as Bush, Matchbox 20, and that band that sings "my
life is a stereo" (i dont know the name). Original bands form the early 90's
such as Pumpkins, pearl jam, nirvana, soundgarden, alice and chains, are now
either gone or have radically changed their style because of the new
generation 'clone bands.' I would expect most SP fans would recognise the
difference between a catchy song and a truly original band..... Silverchair
themselves are embarresed by their early 'frogstomp' material, and are now
trying to mimick new original music eg. Radiohead, SP. Not to offend any
silverchair fans, I can respect their opinion, but in my opinion bands such
as silverchair are about as likely to inspire other musicians, as the USA is
to become Communist...
Matt wrote in message ...
Tristan Cassel
may be similar to other styles but that isn't the point. If they were
exactly the same as other bands then people would not listen to them. They
have a huge following that is in no way restricted to Australia.
Adrian Beith wrote in message ...
Ward
John Purvey <mred...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:37620118...@hotmail.com...
Jacob Duley
inspired. Radiohead was inspired. Nirvana was inspired by someone, too.
Why should silverchair be any different? Do you expect them to create music
in a vacuum, having never heard anyone else's style? Building on other
people's music is how music evolves.
alexº ®
pumpkins, silverchair, radiohead, and loads of other bands such as red hot
chilli peppers i dont see myself as biased against or for any bands.
therefore i am going to say my opinion not that anyone cares because people
basically like conflict and an argument. (also i have had a red bull and
vodka and so i am quite alert). anyway:
you are avoiding the fact that silverchair are good there is nothing wrong
with their music (although i haven't heard neon ballroom yet). we forget
that in bands especially grunge (i hate to categorise) the lead singer has
to be so damn good to play guitar and sing. i play guitar and believe me its
impossible. (well almost).
but going to the first point of this flood of opinions, black shirt and
white tie is a cool combo. just like white shirt and black tie, you cant
call everyone that wears a black shirt and white tie Billy corgan, just like
you cant call every grunge band that is composed of a lead guitarist that
sings a bassist and a drummer nirvana. who cares what people wear, its about
time people just become more mellow and stop being so criticising. I have
been getting into hendrix and marley too lately and if you take a look at
the whole attitude of the 60's you see how funky things were. maybe
silverchair arent quite original maybe they are, but is the music good?
thats what matters, and the thing about him wearing cobain stuff so what?
cobain was an influential person, and in defence to frogstomp, suicidal
dream, shade and tomorrow are all great songs and should be remembered as
silverchair at near to their best. when will people just sit back and listen
to the music and enjoy it, if you dont like it dont listen, but before you
begin to critisise just remember how much talent actually exists within a
band like that.
from, a red hot chilli peppers, pumpkins, mogwai, foo's, nirvana, fan,
al
pointless little quote i like:
you dont have to be a weather man to know which way the wind blows. - Bob
Dylan.
Tristan Cassel <xy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in message
news:7jtbep$cgn$1...@lure.pipex.net...
Kelly3317
about "do you believe in jesus??' and I waited for him to shut up and screamed
"SHUT UP!".....then he started a satan rant. Anybody know what that was about?
Piscariot1
>Daniel Johns does giva a fuck about Billy Corgan if you have read any of
>silverchair interviews. On an Australian music show (recovery) they have been
>screening a documentry on the silverchair tour in the usa. Today it featured
>daniel johns playing some solo songs at a radio station. Guess what he was
>wearing? Kurt Cobain (nevermind era) sunglasses, and matching Cobain outfit.
>this is only image alone, noboy (apart from teeny-boppers) believes
>silverchair
>posess any musical originality or integrity.....
Umm... John Purvey sir... it's called inspiration. Everyone has to start
somewhere and 90% of the time they follow someone else's footsteps. I'm sure
you have as well my friend.
Justin
Pisca...@aol.com
"Be careful of what you say, but be even more careful about what you don't say"
Billy Corgan
Matt
<xy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
> I disagree. I think the music does have something different about it. It
> may be similar to other styles but that isn't the point. If they were
> exactly the same as other bands then people would not listen to them. They
> have a huge following that is in no way restricted to Australia.
Indeed. I find an energy and emotion in Silverchair that I don't find too
often. That's what I like about them.
Matt
Tim
MadManMead
>that in bands especially grunge (i hate to categorise) the lead singer has
>to be so damn good to play guitar and sing. i play guitar and believe me its
>impossible. (well almost).
You must be pretty fucking drunk, because you couldn't be further from the
truth. The lead singer of a "grunge" band doesn't have to be that good to play
and sing at the same time. In fact, most Nirvana songs were based around four
power chords that were repeated through the entire song. Kurt Cobain was not a
very talented guitarist, however he was a great songwriter, and had one of the
best voices for his style of music. Anyone with have a brain cell and a decent
sense of rhythm can play Silverchair songs and sing along at the same time. Why
you ask? Because Silverchair is pre-fabricated, corporate, watered-down,
fourth-generation "grunge" band. And anyone who likes them is either seriously
delusional to believe they are original, or they have no knowledge of the
history of rock and roll from the past 10 years.
-David
"They found her in a car
In the river deep and dark"
-Billy Corgan
MadManMead
>inspired. Radiohead was inspired. Nirvana was inspired by someone, too.
>Why should silverchair be any different? Do you expect them to create music
>in a vacuum, having never heard anyone else's style? Building on other
>people's music is how music evolves.
>
There's a difference between being inspired, and not adding anything to the
fucking genre. Nirvana was inspired by the Beatles, but does all their stuff
sound like the beatles? The Pumpkins were inspired by Cheap Trick, and the
Cure, but in my opinion, their music doesn't sound too much like either of
them. Silverchair, however, has at the most two prominent "influences." The
sound of Nirvana, and the vocals of James Hetfield. They may have catchy
songs, but they don't add anything original to anything. They are just
reiterating a style which reached its end by 1994.
Linc le Fevre
>Is that sour grapes I smell? Is that an utter failure who can only feel
>secure in his own "career" by tearing professionals down? Maybe he thinks
>if he can convince us all we like crap, we might like his band. Since I'm
>betting it plays ... well, crap.
>
>That really explains it nicely: we've got a no-talent wanna-be here who
>can't stand the fact that Silverchair plays better music and gets
>recognized for it. Wow, is that ever pathetic.
>
>Go play in your little band now, Adrian. And do tell us when you finally
>manage to play something anyone gives a damn about.
Yeah. Well done. Criticise somebody you know nothing about.
You're all as bad as each other, fighting with swords made of
subjective judgements.
I think that the influences to Silverchair's early albums were firmly
set in the time (eg, the grunge thing), but it was less of a copycat
thing, and more due to a lack of songwriting experience. They were
still yet to forge their own style. Cemetary, for example, uses a very
"disarm-y" type of orchestration.
My point is, that If they were going to grow musically, they would be
blending their influences into their own sound. What rather has
happened is that they have reverted back to the sounds that they grew
up with, those being the stadium-rock sounds of bands like
deep-purple, combined with their earlier sound. Instead of creating
their own sound, I think they have simply broadened their
still-evident influences.
There is something that is inherently lacking in Silverchair's music.
Those who understand the concept of Quality would see this. They have
much technical skill and much emotional 'rawness', but there is still
something not quite there. It may be innovation, it may be the ability
to change, I don't know.
And yes, before you make your judgements about me and my tall-poppy
scythe, let me tell you something. Silverchair broke partly due to
their age, and partly because they wrote a catchy song at the right
time. It is, in all objectivity, not a good song but it happened to
appeal to our masses. Secondly, I play in a band, and did so then, and
was jealous as all hell because they got a break. Anybody else from
Tasmania would understand.
Linc
fudge
written and performed sincerely, truthfully......
it gets increasingly difficult for musicians today to come up with something
completely new, something never done before, without people hating it
because it's not what they like, not what they're 'used to'.
if silverchair writes music that helps them, helps at least one person, then
in an ideal world i think that's all that really matters....
*sigh* but we don't live in an ideal world...
ah well......anyway, go listen to 'neon ballroom'....the best yet, and
they're only going to get better :o)
and even if you think that it's all just rehashed......enjoy it for how
brilliantly rehashed it is!
love fudge
Adrian Beith
>that in bands especially grunge (i hate to categorise) the lead singer has
>to be so damn good to play guitar and sing. i play guitar and believe me
its
>impossible. (well almost).
not true... I play guitar in a band and sing, so does that kid from Hanson
come to think of it!
>. maybe
>silverchair arent quite original maybe they are, but is the music good?
no... most of it isn't.
>thats what matters, and the thing about him wearing cobain stuff so what?
I think it shows silverchair as the weak 'clone' band they really are...
>cobain was an influential person, and in defence to frogstomp, suicidal
>dream, shade and tomorrow are all great songs and should be remembered as
>silverchair at near to their best.
Well silverchair would disagree with you there. They are embarressed by
their early stuff..
>to the music and enjoy it, if you dont like it dont listen, but before you
>begin to critisise just remember how much talent actually exists within a
>band like that.
I'm criticising them because they have a lack of talent.
Andrew Watson
>you ask? Because Silverchair is pre-fabricated, corporate, watered-down,
>fourth-generation "grunge" band. And anyone who likes them is either
seriously
>delusional to believe they are original, or they have no knowledge of the
>history of rock and roll from the past 10 years.
I like them.
<insert request for you to suck my dick here>
Andrew Watson
awa...@wantree.com.au
http://squid.iscool.net
KBDKBeav
stroudels all the time just like i do . and the way he is named Daniel just
like i am. and the way he is always speaking english- you guessed it- just like
me. what a phony. i also heard an interview where he said he was down to
eating two pieces of fruit a day. i once had fruit. and it just happened to
be two pieces of it. hmm, i wonder where he got the idea to do that.
Matt
<adrian...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >silverchair arent quite original maybe they are, but is the music good?
>
>
> no... most of it isn't.
And of course you're welcome to that opinion. But you're a real fucking
loser if you hang around in groups for bands you claim have no talent.
> >thats what matters, and the thing about him wearing cobain stuff so what?
>
>
> I think
Congrats. Everyone should try something new every day.
> Well silverchair would disagree with you there. They are embarressed by
> their early stuff..
Your source? See, I don't believe you because THEY STILL PLAY IT. I also
don't believe you because you're a troll, and lack the credibility required
to be believed.
> I'm criticising them because they have a lack of talent.
Hmm ... here's a guy who claims to play in a band, which I'm sure none of
us have heard of. And is he spending his free time writing songs? Improving
his craft? Trying to make his own band worth anything? No ... he's telling
us all how we shouldn't be listening to the bands we like, because they
suck.
Is that sour grapes I smell? Is that an utter failure who can only feel
secure in his own "career" by tearing professionals down? Maybe he thinks
if he can convince us all we like crap, we might like his band. Since I'm
betting it plays ... well, crap.
That really explains it nicely: we've got a no-talent wanna-be here who
can't stand the fact that Silverchair plays better music and gets
recognized for it. Wow, is that ever pathetic.
Go play in your little band now, Adrian. And do tell us when you finally
manage to play something anyone gives a damn about.
Matt
Matt
MadManMead
>>
>>
>> no... most of it isn't.
>
>And of course you're welcome to that opinion. But you're a real fucking
>loser if you hang around in groups for bands you claim have no talent.
Excuse me, but what the fuck are you talking about? In case you didn't notice,
this is a SMASHING PUMPKINS NG. And the last time I checked, no one cares if
any band is bashed in here, except for SP. And you want to know what my opinion
is? Silverchair bites the big one...and I don't think that saying that makes
me any less of an SP fan.
red red meat
> >> >silverchair arent quite original maybe they are, but is the music good?
> >>
> >>
> >> no... most of it isn't.
> >
> >And of course you're welcome to that opinion. But you're a real fucking
> >loser if you hang around in groups for bands you claim have no talent.
>
> Excuse me, but what the fuck are you talking about? In case you didn't notice,
> this is a SMASHING PUMPKINS NG. And the last time I checked, no one cares if
> any band is bashed in here, except for SP. And you want to know what my opinion
> is? Silverchair bites the big one...and I don't think that saying that makes
> me any less of an SP fan.
Hey dude, calm down.....the message was crossposted to both groups......SP and
Silverchair.
MadManMead
Sorry, you can suck my dick. Silverchair is one of the most overrated bands
right now. And if you like Silverchair so much, maybe you should try listening
to Bleach, Nevermind, Incesticide, or In Utero by Nirvana, and you'll realize
that they all beat the hell out of "Neon Ballroom," or any other Silverchair
album for that matter. Unless of course you're tired of all the Nirvana
albums, and are looking for some new "grunge." The genre died with Kurt, and
so should Silverchair.
Adrian Beith
MadManMead wrote in message
<19990613034252...@ng-fk1.aol.com>...
Peterson's
>
> >Is that sour grapes I smell? Is that an utter failure who can only feel
> >secure in his own "career" by tearing professionals down? Maybe he thinks
> >if he can convince us all we like crap, we might like his band. Since I'm
> >betting it plays ... well, crap.
> >
> >That really explains it nicely: we've got a no-talent wanna-be here who
> >can't stand the fact that Silverchair plays better music and gets
> >recognized for it. Wow, is that ever pathetic.
> >
> >Go play in your little band now, Adrian. And do tell us when you finally
> >manage to play something anyone gives a damn about.
>
name one album that a band has that sounds like neon ballroom you
fucking idiot cause that is original
Chris33303
>>that in bands especially grunge (i hate to categorise) the lead singer has
>>to be so damn good to play guitar and sing. i play guitar and believe me its
>>impossible. (well almost).
>
>play
>and sing at the same time. In fact, most Nirvana songs were based around
>four
>power chords that were repeated through the entire song. Kurt Cobain was not
>a
>very talented guitarist, however he was a great songwriter, and had one of
>the
>best voices for his style of music. Anyone with have a brain cell and a
>decent
>sense of rhythm can play Silverchair songs and sing along at the same time.
>Why
>fourth-generation "grunge" band. And anyone who likes them is either
>seriously
>delusional to believe they are original, or they have no knowledge of the
>history of rock and roll from the past 10 years.
>
>"They found her in a car
>In the river deep and dark"
>-Billy Corgan
>
>
>
>
>
>
he's right
MadManMead
>name one album that a band has that sounds like neon ballroom you
>fucking idiot cause that is original
Man, this has to be the stupidest post of the entire thread. I have seen
people say, "I don't care if they're not original, I still like their music,"
and "They aren't that original, but they have a lot of raw emotion." But you
have no ear for what is original and what is not. Pick up an old album, for
God's sake...Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Metallica, or Alice in Chains.
You'll see that Silverchair has re-hashed aspects of their music that they
helped develop. And once someone does something that someone else has already
done, without adding anything to it, it becomes tiresome and boring. And if
you had a better knowledge of music, you'd agree with me.
By the way, I love your logic...name me ONE album that sounds EXACTLY like
"Sixteen Stone" by Bush. Well, of course nothing is going to sound exactly
like it, because the songwriting is different for the most part, but does that
change the fact that Bush is a low-talent, carbon copy of Nirvana? No.
Brian Barbour
>>fourth-generation "grunge" band. And anyone who likes them is either
>>seriously
>>delusional to believe they are original, or they have no knowledge of the
>>history of rock and roll from the past 10 years.
or they just really dont give a fuck about all this, "well they arent
original", or "well they arent talented", or "well everything they are doing
has already been done" crap and like the music anyways.
--
Brian
Http://www.crosswinds.net/~site33/
Tour History - Complete Lyrics - Infinite Pictures
Jennifer
>-David
>"They found her in a car
>In the river deep and dark"
>-Billy Corgan
You obviously haven't listened to Neon Ballroom, because it is no ways
'grunge'
~Jennifer
"...these are the facts. So eat what you murder.This is Animal Liberation. Eight billion
killed for human pleasure." ~ D. Johns
"taken out of context I must seem so strange." ~ Ani DiFranco
Ryan Nims
>
>You obviously haven't listened to Neon Ballroom, because it is no ways
>'grunge'
Hey, Barry Manilow isn't a lounge singer, but that doesn't mean he's
the bastard tone-deaf son of Frank Sinatra does it?
_
"That thing has more bleeps than RD-D2 on a coke jag".
Dennis Miller
Matt
llef...@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Linc le Fevre) wrote:
> >Is that sour grapes I smell? Is that an utter failure who can only feel
> >secure in his own "career" by tearing professionals down? Maybe he thinks
> >if he can convince us all we like crap, we might like his band. Since I'm
> >betting it plays ... well, crap.
> >
> >That really explains it nicely: we've got a no-talent wanna-be here who
> >can't stand the fact that Silverchair plays better music and gets
> >recognized for it. Wow, is that ever pathetic.
> >
> >Go play in your little band now, Adrian. And do tell us when you finally
> >manage to play something anyone gives a damn about.
>
> Yeah. Well done. Criticise somebody you know nothing about.
> You're all as bad as each other, fighting with swords made of
> subjective judgements.
A little game called Flame the Troll. C'mon, it's nothing new.
> There is something that is inherently lacking in Silverchair's music.
> Those who understand the concept of Quality would see this.
Whoa ... look at the ego on this one. And now Quality is a proper noun
(this guy probably thinks it's his middle name). Sheesh -- arrogant elitism
to the extreme.
> And yes, before you make your judgements about me and my tall-poppy
> scythe, let me tell you something. Silverchair broke partly due to
> their age, and partly because they wrote a catchy song at the right
> time. It is, in all objectivity, not a good song but it happened to
> appeal to our masses.
Wait ... so you're the one who gets to decide "good" from "not good?" What
millions of fans worldwide think doesn't count? Quality (proper) is your
realm, and we're to leave it at that.
Man oh man, do you have a high opinion of yourself.
> Secondly, I play in a band, and did so then, and
> was jealous as all hell because they got a break.
Their "break" was playing music lots of other people like. It isn't as if
the popularity fairy just waved a random wand at them. They sold millions
of records becasue their music spoke to millions of fans. Just like Neon
Ballroom does today. If you don't like it, fine, but this self-serving
bullshit that says you and only you are capable of judging what is quality
work is such utter bullshit that I don't think I can ever take any of your
opinions seriously.
> Anybody else from
> Tasmania would understand.
Ahh, but jealousy is a fairly worldwide concept. I think we all understand
fairly well -- if we didn't, it's being demonstrated pretty well here.
Matt
Dave Asselin
m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com says...
>
>Their "break" was playing music lots of other people like.
>It isn't as if the popularity fairy just waved a random
>wand at them. They sold millions of records becasue their
>music spoke to millions of fans.
McDonald's has sold billions of burgers over the years. That
doesn't make their food cuisine.
Quantity is no indicator of quality.
- Dave
--
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find the mistakes in everyones posts and expose
them until they CRY!" - Frank Sauve
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Grappleme
>In article <m.doeden-ya0240800...@news.frontiernet.net>,
>m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com says...
>>
>>Their "break" was playing music lots of other people like.
>>It isn't as if the popularity fairy just waved a random
>>wand at them. They sold millions of records becasue their
>>music spoke to millions of fans.
>
>McDonald's has sold billions of burgers over the years. That
>doesn't make their food cuisine.
>
>Quantity is no indicator of quality.
>
> - Dave
>
>
True. However, In & Out, is a culinary masterpiece.
I'd like a 3x3, please.
Well, the fries could be better.
--Jasper
"What's up ladies? What's up sluts?" --Jay
Adrian Beith
>Their "break" was playing music lots of other people like. It isn't as if
>the popularity fairy just waved a random wand at them. They sold millions
>Ballroom does today. If you don't like it, fine, but this self-serving
>bullshit that says you and only you are capable of judging what is quality
>work is such utter bullshit that I don't think I can ever take any of your
>opinions seriously.
Silverchairs break was NEVER due to playing music that other people like. If
you knew your facts, silverchair were discovered in a competition on SBS-TV
Australia. They were never a band that had a following before becoming
famous, as they were only an ordinary high-school band... The only reason
they became popular was because of their young age and as I can recall,
everytime on Australian radio their music was played, there was some comment
like "Gee, they are so great for a bunch of 15yr olds!" They have sold a lot
of records partly due to heavy promotion from their record company realizing
the market for a teenage band. and capitalising on their image. And if sales
are the only statistic you want to go by, remember that Hanson, Backstreet
Boys, Brittany Spears, Spice-Girls all sell more albums than SP or
silverchair.
Matt
Asselin) wrote:
> In article <m.doeden-ya0240800...@news.frontiernet.net>,
> m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com says...
> >
> >Their "break" was playing music lots of other people like.
> >It isn't as if the popularity fairy just waved a random
> >wand at them. They sold millions of records becasue their
> >music spoke to millions of fans.
>
> McDonald's has sold billions of burgers over the years. That
> doesn't make their food cuisine.
An invalid analogy.
> Quantity is no indicator of quality.
And you are? You're saying that most people are incapable of choosing what
they like, what speaks to them, what kind of music is worth their money?
They are incapable of determining what is good? Yet somehow, in your
ultimate wisdom, you are? Somehow, through your tremendous musical gift,
you are?
Elitist prick ....
Matt
Matt
<adrian...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >Their "break" was playing music lots of other people like. It isn't as if
> >the popularity fairy just waved a random wand at them. They sold millions
> >of records becasue their music spoke to millions of fans. Just like Neon
> >Ballroom does today. If you don't like it, fine, but this self-serving
> >bullshit that says you and only you are capable of judging what is quality
> >work is such utter bullshit that I don't think I can ever take any of your
> >opinions seriously.
>
>
> Silverchairs break was NEVER due to playing music that other people like. If
> you knew your facts, silverchair were discovered in a competition on SBS-TV
> Australia.
I am fully aware of this. Yet somehow, they still sold MILLIONS of copies
of Frogstomp. Why? Because PEOPLE LIKED THEIR MUSIC.
> They were never a band that had a following before becoming
> famous
And that's what, in your failure, really burns you up, isn't it? That
they're so much better than you'll ever be, and never had to work half as
hard. That they've just got an ability to speak to a whole lot of people in
a way you'll never be able to.
A contest winner in Australia doesn't become a smash hit in the States
purely out of novelty, buddy.
>, as they were only an ordinary high-school band... The only reason
> they became popular was because of their young age
You fucking twit. Do you think the good folks of this NG all bought Neon
Ballroom, several years and two albums later, because these guys were young
when they hit? You're kidding yourself and insulting everyone here
(yourself moreso than anyone else) if you believe that.
> everytime on Australian radio their music was played, there was some comment
> like "Gee, they are so great for a bunch of 15yr olds!" They have sold a lot
> of records partly due to heavy promotion from their record company realizing
> the market for a teenage band. and capitalising on their image.
Know why I bought Neon Ballroom? Because I saw the CD in Borders, listened
to it, and couldn't get the tunes out of my head. I bought it because
there's something about their music that is raw and powerful, and charged
with emotion. I bought it because I feel the band is genuine and real. In
the years since Frogstomp, I'd completely forgotten how old the band
members were.
Your soul mission here seems to belittle the band and everyone here. You're
clearly little more than a musical failure who just can't stand the fact
that this band has more talent than you'll ever have, and they're enjoying
the success you know you can never achieve. Your only recourse is to tell
us all how simple and stupid we are for believing we really like the band,
which is a fucking joke. You're a sad little fellow who clearly has a
pretty low opinion of himself.
Matt
MadManMead
Dave Asselin
m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com says...
>
>In article <7k1i8p$u2a$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>, pm...@xero.comb (Dave
>Asselin) wrote:
>
>> In article <m.doeden-ya0240800...@news.frontiernet.net>,
>> m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com says...
>> >
>> >It isn't as if the popularity fairy just waved a random
>> >wand at them. They sold millions of records becasue their
>> >music spoke to millions of fans.
>>
>> doesn't make their food cuisine.
>
>An invalid analogy.
Absolutely not.
Your point is that Silverchair have sold millions of albums,
therefore, they must not suck. Millions of people can't be
wrong, can they?
>> Quantity is no indicator of quality.
>
>And you are? You're saying that most people are incapable of
>choosing what they like, what speaks to them, what kind of
>music is worth their money? They are incapable of determining
>what is good?
Please. You ascribe noble motives to people, as if they weren't
putty in the hands of marketers.
People will buy -anything- if it's put in front of them enough
through radio and MTV. People will buy twice as much of anything
if it sounds like something they've heard before.
- dave
iulia semisomna
<snip tirade directed at poor adrian beith, whoever that is>
>
>Your soul mission here seems to belittle the band and everyone here. You're
>clearly little more than a musical failure who just can't stand the fact
>that this band has more talent than you'll ever have, and they're enjoying
>the success you know you can never achieve. Your only recourse is to tell
>us all how simple and stupid we are for believing we really like the band,
>which is a fucking joke. You're a sad little fellow who clearly has a
>pretty low opinion of himself.
>
>
wow. that you feel so very strongly that everyone should like this band, is
certainly cause for consternation in itself.
that you decide that adrian, whom i doubt you've ever met, is a talentless
low-self-esteem hack because he doesn't like this band, is absurd.
so shut the fuck up. you're an idiot.
~julia (has never heard silverchair to speak of)
--
"there is danger in just being awake." - ordinary people
( http://victorian.fortunecity.com/palette/745/ )
John Purvey
Silverchair! Sorry, but my 14 yr old cousins favourite bands are: silverchair,
backstreet boys, hanson! Silverchair posters grace the female teenage magazines
such as: dolly, tv-hits, girlfriend, etc. I therefore conclude you do have your
own opinion; to be a teeny-bopper. I have no problem with people having their own
opinion, which you obviously do, and I think that every person has the right to be
a teeny-bopper even if only as a result of pure ignorance. Go on and listen to
'frogstomp' and your other teenage wetdream tunes now.....
Matt wrote:
> In article <CI%83.10061$PN5....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>, "Adrian Beith"
> <adrian...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
> > not now. I saw that the message was being cross-posted and I decided to see
> > what the Silverchair news-group was mentioning.
>
> Translation: He came over to tell us all how incredibly simple and stupid
> we are for liking the band. He came to tell us that we are all the witless
> victims of marketing propeaganda, and that we wouldn't know good music if
> it bit us in the ass. Further, we are all teenie-boppers (I'm a working
> professional well out of college, but ....) who can't distinguish what we
> really like. We're puppets with opinions that don't matter.
>
> Thank you oh great Adrian. We really see the fucking light now.
>
> Matt
>
> > neat thing we have here wrote in message
> > <19990613144642...@ng-ca1.aol.com>...
> > >>i actually replied to the comment in the smashing-pumpkins newsgroup
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >so, are you still replying to the comment in the Pumpkins group?
> > >
> > >~k
> > >
> > >
> > >*make room for the prey cause i'm coming in with what i want to say but
> > it's
> > >gonna hurt and i love the pain a breeding ground for hate but...* ~DPJ (SC)
> > >
> > >Cheap and hard to find CDs, Records, Tapes, and Videos @ www.cdjoint.com
John Purvey
John Purvey
John Purvey
John Purvey
John Purvey
John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!
John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!
>
> Your point is that Silverchair have sold millions of albums,
> therefore, they must not suck. Millions of people can't be
> wrong, can they?
>
>
Millions of people cant be wrong???? You stupid lame assed fuck!!! Millions
of people loved New kids on The Block , millions of people loved Tiffany,
Millions of people loved Bros. they are all dumb assed wannabies. What do you
hear of them now? Daniel Johns originality is sickening!!!!! Do u people
actually know were the Silverchair name came from duh!! It came from the
Nirvana song sliver and Berlin Chair by YOU AM I. We are the youth???????/
heheehehe so kewl man dude bro yeh i love silverchair?????? duh.. have u
people ever thought of going out and buying a few nirvana cd's or helmet
stuff. Oh but i forgot there so differnt arnt they duh.. Silverchair are so
original i have never heard anything at all that sounds similar to them.
P.S I stuck my fingers down Daniel Johns throat!!
R. Mast
that doesn't agree with you if you want to argue. IT'S CALLED SARCASM.
-R. Mast
"John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!" wrote:
>
> Millions of people cant be wrong???? You stupid lame assed fuck!!
Dave Asselin wrote-
Encyclopedia E. Brown
> > McDonald's has sold billions of burgers over the years. That
> > doesn't make their food cuisine.
>
> An invalid analogy.
>
> > Quantity is no indicator of quality.
>
> And you are? You're saying that most people are incapable of choosing what
> they like, what speaks to them, what kind of music is worth their money?
> They are incapable of determining what is good?
Hey. Is it just me, or did he already prove this point with his
McDonald's analogy?
Wow, this is like, losing an argument in reverse. That rules, I've
never seen that before.
...
Get lost, boy-o.
--
Shiner. http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~tntran/
============================================
90 80 70 60 50 40 30 20 10
Dave Clark
>Yet somehow, they still sold MILLIONS of copies
>of Frogstomp. Why?
What the heck's your point? Does number of albums sold equate to talent level?
Please.
**********
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**********
If it's too loud, then you're too old.
Matt
Asselin) wrote:
> In article <m.doeden-ya0240800...@news.frontiernet.net>,
> m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com says...
> >
> >In article <7k1i8p$u2a$1...@nntp6.atl.mindspring.net>, pm...@xero.comb (Dave
> >Asselin) wrote:
> >
> >> In article <m.doeden-ya0240800...@news.frontiernet.net>,
> >> m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com says...
> >> >
> >> >Their "break" was playing music lots of other people like.
> >> >It isn't as if the popularity fairy just waved a random
> >> >wand at them. They sold millions of records becasue their
> >> >music spoke to millions of fans.
> >>
> >> McDonald's has sold billions of burgers over the years. That
> >> doesn't make their food cuisine.
> >
> >An invalid analogy.
>
> Absolutely not.
>
> Your point is that Silverchair have sold millions of albums,
> therefore, they must not suck.
Wrong. My point was that they sold millions of albums to fans who enjoyed
their music. Millions of fans who chose to spend their hard-earned dollars
on a band they liked, not because of some damn marketing campaign, but
because the band's music spoke to them. I go to McDonald's to get full. I
don't go because the food is great. But I don't buy music to sustain myself
-- I buy only the music which I feel is worth my money. Therefore, I'll buy
bad food, because I need to eat. But i won't buy bad music, because it
fills no need. Thus, the analogy is invalid.
> >> Quantity is no indicator of quality.
> >
> >And you are? You're saying that most people are incapable of
> >choosing what they like, what speaks to them, what kind of
> >music is worth their money? They are incapable of determining
> >what is good?
>
> Please. You ascribe noble motives to people, as if they weren't
> putty in the hands of marketers.
Noble motives? Wow ... all I said was that most people know what they like,
and what they consider good.
>
> People will buy -anything- if it's put in front of them enough
> through radio and MTV.
So then we're all just mindless puppets? Speak for yourself ... if you're
so easily swayed by marketing, so be it. I'm not, and don't prescribe to
tell me I am. I'd never seen a SINGLE Silverchair ad when I bought NB. I
don't get MTV. I almost never watch television. I just heard the music, and
I liked it. Your insistance that I'm some puppet of a record company's
marketing scheme is wrong and insulting, and I'll kindly ask you to
withdraw that assertation.
Matt
Matt
<mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Matt if you came to Australia you would be considered a teeny-bopper
listening to
> Silverchair! Sorry, but my 14 yr old cousins favourite bands are: silverchair,
> backstreet boys, hanson! Silverchair posters grace the female teenage
magazines
> such as: dolly, tv-hits, girlfriend, etc. I therefore conclude you do
have your
> own opinion; to be a teeny-bopper. I have no problem with people having
their own
> opinion, which you obviously do, and I think that every person has the
right to be
> a teeny-bopper even if only as a result of pure ignorance. Go on and listen to
> 'frogstomp' and your other teenage wetdream tunes now.....
Newsflash: This guy's an asshole.
Matt
Matt
Newsflash: This guy is a REDUNDANT asshole.
Matt
In article <3764EDF3...@hotmail.com>, John Purvey
<mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Matt
slayer!" <mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> sorry about that, computer difficulties, the wonders of Microsoft......
And the wonders of the idiot who doesn't know how to operate his computer ...
Matt
Matt
slayer!" <mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Your point is that Silverchair have sold millions of albums,
> > therefore, they must not suck. Millions of people can't be
> > wrong, can they?
> >
> >
>
> Millions of people cant be wrong???? You stupid lame assed fuck!!! Millions
> of people loved New kids on The Block , millions of people loved Tiffany,
> Millions of people loved Bros. they are all dumb assed wannabies. What do you
> hear of them now? Daniel Johns originality is sickening!!!!! Do u people
> actually know were the Silverchair name came from duh!! It came from the
> Nirvana song sliver and Berlin Chair by YOU AM I. We are the youth???????/
> heheehehe so kewl man dude bro yeh i love silverchair?????? duh.. have u
> people ever thought of going out and buying a few nirvana cd's or helmet
> stuff. Oh but i forgot there so differnt arnt they duh.. Silverchair are so
> original i have never heard anything at all that sounds similar to them.
>
> P.S I stuck my fingers down Daniel Johns throat!!
NEWSFLASH: This guy's still an asshole. And appears to be an uneducated,
arrogant, moronic, bumbling asshole at that. My favorite kind.
Matt
Matt
slayer!" <mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> True but my criticism is not that people like them, but that they are
unoriginal,
> lack talent, and rip off other artists while making a profit out of it
So you're welcome to your bloody opinion. What the fuck do you hope to gain
by trying to force it down everyone else's throat? Do I go into the
Pumpkins' NG and talk about how utterly irritating I find the lead singer's
voice to be? Do I go in there and tell you that Corgan is a no-talent pussy
whose voice makes my ears bleed?
No. Why? Because even though I don't like the band, that's my problem. If
others do like the band, that's fine. I don't feel the need to tell them
what tasteless idiots they are. That would be childish.
... New Kids
> on the Block for exsample will never rank in the anals of music history as a
> 'classic band'... Same goes for silverchair.. While bands such as the Smashing
> pumpkins, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, NIN will remembered as the pioneers of the 90's
> scene, bands such as silverchair, bush, etc... will be remembered as the
inferior
> copies they are, regardless of how many albums they sold or howmany
people bought
> their music...
Maybe we ought to let history decide this? Nawh, you're clearly an expert.
> LOL! Nirvana not original!
The history buff now tells us Nirvana invented grunge. Holy Fucking Moron,
Batman!
Matt
Ryan Nims
(Matt) wrote:
>I am fully aware of this. Yet somehow, they still sold MILLIONS of copies
>of Frogstomp. Why? Because PEOPLE LIKED THEIR MUSIC.
>
The backstreet boys sold 1,000,000 copies of their new one the first
week out, Why? Because PEOPLE LIKED THEIR MUSIC.
_
(This post ©1999 Nimerica)
"That thing has more bleeps than RD-D2 on a coke jag".
Dennis Miller
Ryan Nims
(Matt) wrote:
>In article <3764EFC1...@hotmail.com>, "John Purvey - the daniel johns
>slayer!" <mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> sorry about that, computer difficulties, the wonders of Microsoft......
>
>And the wonders of the idiot who doesn't know how to operate his computer ...
>
>Matt
>
>
And the wonders of an idiot who quotes 30 lines under his reply, and
who's mad because someone doesn't like his band.
Ryan Nims
(Matt) wrote:
>
>So you're welcome to your bloody opinion. What the fuck do you hope to gain
>by trying to force it down everyone else's throat? Do I go into the
>Pumpkins' NG and talk about how utterly irritating I find the lead singer's
>voice to be? Do I go in there and tell you that Corgan is a no-talent pussy
>whose voice makes my ears bleed?
>
Well, this isn't alt.music.silverchair dude.......no wait.....the
magic of cross-posting.
Yes this is alt.music.smash-pumpkins........
Although I had no idea there was an alt.music.silverchair
Dave Clark
>Wrong. My point was that they sold millions of albums to fans who enjoyed
>their music. Millions of fans who chose to spend their hard-earned dollars
>on a band they liked, not because of some damn marketing campaign, but
>because the band's music spoke to them.
Which means nothing in talking about SilverNirvana's talent level.
Millions of people bought New Kids on the Block. Millions bought Milli Vanilli.
Millions bought Vanilla Ice.
Sure, whatever, believe that people buy SilverNirvana because the band "talks"
to them. It makes your pity-inducing argument all the more funny.
hazelnut
> >Quantity is no indicator of quality.
> True. However, In & Out, is a culinary masterpiece.
>
> I'd like a 3x3, please.
> Well, the fries could be better.
DOOD, THEIR FRIES ARE GREAT.
YOU .. YOU EAT A 3X3? MAN, THAT'S HUGE. HEH. WELL ... I SHOULDN'T TALK.
I'VE EATEN A FOOT AND HALF LONG SUBWAY SANDWICH BEFORE. YEAH, I'M A BIG
GIRL AND I LIKE TO EAT BIG.
BIG PEGGY
Jay Shaw
>
> anybody seen the latest Silverchair concerts in las vegas? Daniel Johns
> was wearing the exsact same blackshirt white tie combo as Billy does?
> And australians will know the original silverchair filmclip of tommorow
> which was reshot for the usa, was a toal rip off of nirvana (and his
> hair, stripey top, voice, arrrgghh!).
> neon ballroom is full of tracks where DJ is now trying to rip off, thom
> yorke's singing stlye!
>
> howlong to we see a truly original silverchair, not some corporate
> commercial Grunge wannabe band?
>
> grunge is so passe anyhow...
It's called being influenced ... it happens to everyone in one way or
another, nobody is really truly ORIGINAL.
When I'm singing I sometimes start to sound like certain other singers
whether I know it or not, it's all an unconscious decision.
Jay
--
When it comes to music, only cisum is backwards.
Jay's Place The Guitar & Bass Place
http://fly.to/jay98 http://fly.to/gbp
Proudly Canadian, eh!
Jay Shaw
>
> >that in bands especially grunge (i hate to categorise) the lead singer has
> >to be so damn good to play guitar and sing. i play guitar and believe me
> its
> >impossible. (well almost).
>
> not true... I play guitar in a band and sing, so does that kid from Hanson
> come to think of it!
>
I think you me=issed a bunch of sarcasm. Just a hunch.
> >to the music and enjoy it, if you dont like it dont listen, but before you
> >begin to critisise just remember how much talent actually exists within a
> >band like that.
>
> I'm criticising them because they have a lack of talent.
As long as you're not saying you have more talent than them, then I'll
respect your opinion. IMO, they do have talent, as do practically every
band in the world ... not everyone can write songs, or even play an
instrument.
Matt
> On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:37:49 -0500, m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com
> (Matt) wrote:
>
>
> >
> >So you're welcome to your bloody opinion. What the fuck do you hope to gain
> >by trying to force it down everyone else's throat? Do I go into the
> >Pumpkins' NG and talk about how utterly irritating I find the lead singer's
> >voice to be? Do I go in there and tell you that Corgan is a no-talent pussy
> >whose voice makes my ears bleed?
> >
>
> Well, this isn't alt.music.silverchair dude.......no wait.....the
> magic of cross-posting.
Exactly.
> Yes this is alt.music.smash-pumpkins........
> Although I had no idea there was an alt.music.silverchair
Perhaps you should check your fields before you post then, eh?
Matt
Matt
> On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:47:40 -0500, m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com
> (Matt) wrote:
>
>
> >I am fully aware of this. Yet somehow, they still sold MILLIONS of copies
> >of Frogstomp. Why? Because PEOPLE LIKED THEIR MUSIC.
> >
>
>
> The backstreet boys sold 1,000,000 copies of their new one the first
> week out, Why? Because PEOPLE LIKED THEIR MUSIC.
I'm sure you have a point, though it's not coming through. Perhaps it is
that you don't like the BSB. Neither do I. Aren't we all feeling cool and
superior now? Let's go over to the BSB newsgroup and tell all those fans
how stupid and ignorant they are. Maybe they'll see from our position of
musical authority the error of their ways.
Matt
Matt
> On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:27:45 -0500, m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com
> (Matt) wrote:
>
> >In article <3764EFC1...@hotmail.com>, "John Purvey - the daniel johns
> >slayer!" <mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> sorry about that, computer difficulties, the wonders of Microsoft......
> >
> >And the wonders of the idiot who doesn't know how to operate his computer ...
> >
> >Matt
> >
> >
> And the wonders of an idiot who quotes 30 lines under his reply, and
> who's mad because someone doesn't like his band.
Wow .. somebody hasn't been following along very closely. But don't let
that stop you from making an ass of yourself, Ryan. Go ahead and keep
building that straw man.
Matt
Ryan Nims
(Matt) wrote:
>> >
>> And the wonders of an idiot who quotes 30 lines under his reply, and
>> who's mad because someone doesn't like his band.
>
>Wow .. somebody hasn't been following along very closely. But don't let
>that stop you from making an ass of yourself, Ryan. Go ahead and keep
>building that straw man.
>
Wow-- somebody hasn't been following along very closely. I thought you
were just having an argument on who sucks more....it's obviously much
deeper than that.
If you don't like it, stop cross-posting to alt.music.smash-pumpkins
_
(This post ©1999 Nimerica)
"That thing has more bleeps than RD-D2 on a coke jag".
Dennis Miller
"hey jesus.....can you fly?"
"uh....yeah...and i have heat vision" Saturday Night Live
Ryan Nims
(Matt) wrote:
>
>> Yes this is alt.music.smash-pumpkins........
>> Although I had no idea there was an alt.music.silverchair
>
>Perhaps you should check your fields before you post then, eh?
>
You first dude.
Ryan Nims
(Matt) wrote:
>I'm sure you have a point, though it's not coming through. Perhaps it is
>that you don't like the BSB. Neither do I. Aren't we all feeling cool and
>superior now? Let's go over to the BSB newsgroup and tell all those fans
>how stupid and ignorant they are. Maybe they'll see from our position of
>musical authority the error of their ways.
>
Nah......bashing Silverchair is funner.
JiBe
Why the fuck do you crosspost this shit to alt.music.slayer?
--
JiBe
Ryan Nims
<ronny.a...@trelleborg.XXXSPAMmail.telia.com> wrote:
>One question:
>
>Why the fuck do you crosspost this shit to alt.music.slayer?
>
Lets ask alt.music.nirvana
you're on nirvana, caller can you hear me?
Dave Asselin
says...
>
>IMO, they do have talent, as do practically every
>band in the world ... not everyone can write songs, or even play an
>instrument.
Please don't confuse "talent" with "learned skill".
I can play lots of songs on my acoustic guitar (granted, they're
all barre chords, but...). If you heard me play, you wouldn't
mistake it for talent, let me tell you that.
Hatredkiss
~Mango. No, it's not your imagination, you really *don't* know me.
Youve Got Maul
>DOOD, THEIR FRIES ARE GREAT.
okay, okay. you're right. i know when not to mess with big pegs.
>YOU .. YOU EAT A 3X3? MAN, THAT'S HUGE. HEH. WELL ... I SHOULDN'T TALK.
>I'VE EATEN A FOOT AND HALF LONG SUBWAY SANDWICH BEFORE. YEAH, I'M A BIG
>GIRL AND I LIKE TO EAT BIG.
a foot and a half? whoa girlfren...
Well, actually I used to get two double double's, until i realized that i was
paying for a heart attack. I just stick to the good ole double double now.
(Have you seen those double double 3-d billboards that smoke? Those are the
bomb).
I love frivolous posts.
tell em, big peggy sent ya.
--Jasper
"What's up ladies? What's up sluts?" --Jay
"What? You went over my helmet?" --Dark Helmet
Matt
> On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:51:59 -0500, m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com
> (Matt) wrote:
>
>
> >> >
> >> And the wonders of an idiot who quotes 30 lines under his reply, and
> >> who's mad because someone doesn't like his band.
> >
> >Wow .. somebody hasn't been following along very closely. But don't let
> >that stop you from making an ass of yourself, Ryan. Go ahead and keep
> >building that straw man.
> >
>
> Wow-- somebody hasn't been following along very closely. I thought you
> were just having an argument on who sucks more
That's never been the argument at all. I don't know how you even came up
with this. The only real argument I've been making is that it takes a
fucking troll to wander into the Silverchair NG and start taunting and
telling us all how stupid and ignorant we are for liking Silverchair. Much
of this thread has taken place exclusivly in the Silverchair group, and has
recently been cross-posted.\
If you don't like to hear my end of things, remove alt.music.silverchair
from your crossposts and I'll never even see them.
Matt
Matt
> On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 15:53:06 -0500, m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com
> (Matt) wrote:
>
> >
> >> Yes this is alt.music.smash-pumpkins........
> >> Although I had no idea there was an alt.music.silverchair
> >
> >Perhaps you should check your fields before you post then, eh?
> >
>
> You first dude.
I'm not the one who claims no knowledge of the NG's he posting to. I'm
aware of where my posts are going.
Matt
John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!
neat thing we have here wrote:
>
>
> You all are so damn blind and can't look at this objectively to save yer damn
> lives. Whether you think any of these people are talentless or whether you
> think they suck. SOMEONE in the world thought they were good. Some of those
> people that were fans of NKOTB are still fans now, need proof? LOL check out
> some NKOTB pages. I mean hardcore, die hard fans. So will you all remember
> that just becuz YOU think it sucks does not mean it sucks for the entire
> planet? This isn't a Mickey D's commercial, this is not "your world" okay?
>
>
True but my criticism is not that people like them, but that they are unoriginal,
lack talent, and rip off other artists while making a profit out of it... New Kids
on the Block for exsample will never rank in the anals of music history as a
'classic band'... Same goes for silverchair.. While bands such as the Smashing
pumpkins, Nirvana, Pearl Jam, NIN will remembered as the pioneers of the 90's
scene, bands such as silverchair, bush, etc... will be remembered as the inferior
copies they are, regardless of how many albums they sold or howmany people bought
their music...
>
> and your point? The name Metallica is a corny name if i ever did hear one. So
> is Pantera. Marilyn Manson, everyone knows where he got his name right?
> Soundgarden? There a tons of bands with not only stupid band names but who
> also got the idea for it from someone else. That's how most people think of
> band names moron, what planet are you on?
>
I was highlighting the Nirvana rip-off factor again.... Marilyn Manson was never
accused of ripping off Marilyn Monroe or Charles Manson... Metallica pioneered
metal, and were never accused of copying it....
>
> Did you ever stop to take your ass out of your head long enough to stop making
> ASSumptions about people? I own every fucking Nirvana album officially
> released and otherwise.
Will maybe thats why you like Nirvana in Pyjamas then.....
>
> Hey moron, who said silverchair was original? And you named Nirvana and Helmet
> for fucksake....don't tell me you actually believe they are original? Pardon me
> while I go laugh my ass off...
>
>
LOL! Nirvana not original! Well lets recall the average music around 1990-91;
armageddon metal (guns'n'roses, motley crue, DAD, wasp). The image and sound was to
be bigger than life (costumes, teased hair, wank off guitar solos, etc), and bands
such as Nirvana, SP, Pearl Jam were original in their sound, and image.... Though
Nirvana probably dont sound original to you cos you have listened to so many of the
post-grunge mimicking bands......
Take a look at the date on Nirvana's first album 'bleach', and then silver chair's
'frogstomp.' Compare dates. Remember what music was around 1989 (bleach) and then
what was around 1994 (frogstomp); still try and tell me that Nirvana are not
original...
John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!
neat thing we have here wrote:
>
> How old are you? Your ignorance is astounding. You really don't know the
> definition of a teeny bopper...do you? LMAO....
>
Is that all you can come back with?!!! lol!
>
John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!
"John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!" wrote:
> neat thing we have here wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > You all are so damn blind and can't look at this objectively to save yer damn
> > lives. Whether you think any of these people are talentless or whether you
> > think they suck. SOMEONE in the world thought they were good. Some of those
> > people that were fans of NKOTB are still fans now, need proof? LOL check out
> > some NKOTB pages. I mean hardcore, die hard fans. So will you all remember
> > that just becuz YOU think it sucks does not mean it sucks for the entire
> > planet? This isn't a Mickey D's commercial, this is not "your world" okay?
> >
> >
>
> True but my criticism is not that people like them, but that they are unoriginal,
> lack talent, and rip off other artists while making a profit out of it... New Kids
> on the Block for exsample will never rank in the annals of music history as a
John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!
fudge wrote:
> the only thing that really matters to many people, is that the music is
> written and performed sincerely, truthfully......
> it gets increasingly difficult for musicians today to come up with something
> completely new, something never done before, without people hating it
> because it's not what they like, not what they're 'used to'.
> if silverchair writes music that helps them, helps at least one person, then
> in an ideal world i think that's all that really matters....
> *sigh* but we don't live in an ideal world...
> ah well......anyway, go listen to 'neon ballroom'....the best yet, and
> they're only going to get better :o)
> and even if you think that it's all just rehashed......enjoy it for how
> brilliantly rehashed it is!
>
> love fudge
>
listen to Radiohead 'ok computer'.... It still is possible to be unique and
original...
anjel...@my-deja.com
>
> >I like them.
> >
> ><insert request for you to suck my dick here>
> >
> >Andrew Watson
> >awa...@wantree.com.au
> >http://squid.iscool.net
> >
>
> Sorry, you can suck my dick. Silverchair is one of the most
overrated bands
> right now. And if you like Silverchair so much, maybe you should try
listening
> to Bleach, Nevermind, Incesticide, or In Utero by Nirvana, and you'll
realize
> that they all beat the hell out of "Neon Ballroom," or any other
Silverchair
> album for that matter. Unless of course you're tired of all the
Nirvana
> albums, and are looking for some new "grunge." The genre died with
Kurt, and
> so should Silverchair.
>
> -David
> "They found her in a car
> In the river deep and dark"
> -Billy Corgan
>
Obviously someone has a hard - on for Nirvana. Calm down!
i do agree all those albums are awesome, and yes, Nirvana were the
kings of grunge. But the only reason Silverchair are considered to be
Nirvana wannabes is because they were labelled as Nirvana wannabes when
they first came out.Simply because Daniel looked a bit like Kurt. But
to be honest, when they came out they really sounded more like pearl
jam rather than Nirvana.( just have a listen to the Tomorrow EP)The
fact that they've been labelled as trying to be Nirvana, has given
people reason to deliberately look for traces of Nirvana in their
songs. But seriously, if you look at any grunge band today, you'll see
a Nirvana influence. Afterall, is'nt that why we get involved in music
in the first place,due to our musical influences? No music seems rto be
original anymore, but what can you do?
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Jay Shaw <the_spo...@geocities.com> wrote:
> John Purvey wrote:
> >
> > anybody seen the latest Silverchair concerts in las vegas? Daniel
Johns
> > was wearing the exsact same blackshirt white tie combo as Billy
does?
> > And australians will know the original silverchair filmclip of
tommorow
> > which was reshot for the usa, was a toal rip off of nirvana (and his
> > hair, stripey top, voice, arrrgghh!).
> > neon ballroom is full of tracks where DJ is now trying to rip off,
thom
> > yorke's singing stlye!
> >
> > howlong to we see a truly original silverchair, not some corporate
> > commercial Grunge wannabe band?
> >
> > grunge is so passe anyhow...
>
Just a suggestion: Calm the hell down!
You are looking into this whole Daniel Johns being a professional
copycat thing way too deeply.
For a start, black shirt, silver/white tie is a fashion fad at the
moment, there are probably people all over the planet wearing them,
without the intention of looking like billy.
Secondly, rockstars have these people called wardrobe assistants,
publicists,PRs etc....Who chose what they wore for the tomorrow clip,
and how it was shot. They are the clones! They were probably trying to
get the message across of what kind of genre silverchair were striving
to be considered as.
Plus, if you knew anything about Daniel johns past, you'd possibly
understand why he actually sung on the new album. If people were
bashing you up and calling you a faggot every day just because you were
daniel johns,I think you'd be doing everything you could to be as
masculine as possible. But he was sick of giving in to social
expectations and pressure anymore, and actually 'used' his voice,
instead of trying to "sound like a man."
But honestly, this is just an opinion, as was yours. I think it's
difficult to not be influenced these days. I mean if you're singing to
a helmet song, YOU are even going to be singing in a different style
than when you're listening to *ducks 4 cover* Jewel or something.
if i was in a band that people looked up to enough to be truly
influenced, i would be so impressed. But of course, that's just me.
Just to finish off - you said "Grunge is so passe" i could even argue
that you've ripped of the Dandy Warhols, 'not if you were the last
junkie' there. But i'll let it go. see how easy it is to be
misinterpreted? Think about it. Thanx.
*anJeLicA*
anjel...@my-deja.com
John Purvey <mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> well scully, how can dent all the proof in front of your eyes? And by
the way
> Daniel Johns does giva a fuck about Billy Corgan if you have read any
of
> silverchair interviews. On an Australian music show (recovery) they
have been
> screening a documentry on the silverchair tour in the usa. Today it
featured
> daniel johns playing some solo songs at a radio station. Guess what
he was
> wearing? Kurt Cobain (nevermind era) sunglasses, and matching Cobain
outfit. Now
> this is only image alone, noboy (apart from teeny-boppers) believes
silverchair
> posess any musical originality or integrity.....
>
>
>
>For fuck's sake!
Grunge is not only music, it's a fashion, it's a fad.
I wear grungey clothes, along with millions of other people. Does that
mean i wanna be Kurt too? I could'nt give a flying fuck what he wore.
Maybe he started the whole grunge/teen rage genre, and hey, i then say
thanx to him. But if no one was influenced by anything, we would'nt be
having these heated conversations right now, would we? And music would
be dead.
You seem to claim surreal wisdom on this entire matter, let you lack an
open mind. i feel sorry for that. R u in a band? Music industry? if so,
I'm sure you'd have musical influences. what do you wear? I'm sure you
could be compared to someone else.
Silverchair possess no musical originality or integrity? I'd label the
spice girls with that, not people who write and compose their own songs.
Integrity? Take a look in the mirror(or perhaps a dictionary).
Plus the only reason, they are seen as a teeny bopper band, is because
they are young themselves, therefore, they tend to attract a young
audience. Only teeny boppers appreciate their music? I think there are
a few hardcore skinheads hanging around who'd perhaps have a problem
with that. Give daniel a break, i'm sure he would'nt give a fuck what
you think anyway. He's livin it up, and where's Kurt now?
John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!
Goodyear15 wrote:
>
> Bullshit. Most people associate grunge rock wiht the 90s.
post 91 that is, after albums such as nevermind, Gish, and Ten were released....
> Therefore Pearl Jam,
> Alice in Chains/Jerry Cantrell, and Nirvana will be remembered.
Exact point i made....
> If it weren't
> fo rthe softening of radio, Billy Corgan's nasal braying to four-chord rock
> would not be heard.
Four chord rock!! LOL! Listen to silverchair cemetery and count how many chordes
that has, it only has one chord progression...Not to mention it is a rip off of
Disarm!
> Barely anybody respects his band anymore,
Apart from Kiss, Butch Vig, Bono, and neraly every other credible artist.....
> yet I have
> recently seen silverchair on the cover of Metal Edge.
Woohooo!!! Metal Edge!! Maybe silverchair will share a centerfold with Motley Crue
one day!
>
Ryan Nims
Oh, c'mon, like you had any idea that
alt.music.silverchair existed....
Even if you post there, it's about as useful as
alt.music.baz-lurhman
Ryan Nims
(Matt) wrote:
>
>That's never been the argument at all. I don't know how you even came up
>with this. The only real argument I've been making is that it takes a
>fucking troll to wander into the Silverchair NG and start taunting and
>telling us all how stupid and ignorant we are for liking Silverchair. Much
>of this thread has taken place exclusivly in the Silverchair group, and has
>recently been cross-posted.\
>
>If you don't like to hear my end of things, remove alt.music.silverchair
>from your crossposts and I'll never even see them.
>
I know you are, but what am I.
John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!
Kelly3317 wrote:
> daniel johns......*puke*......at the chicago concert he was screaming some crap
> about "do you believe in jesus??' and I waited for him to shut up and screamed
> "SHUT UP!".....then he started a satan rant. Anybody know what that was about?
John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!
Matt wrote:
> In article <3764ED79...@hotmail.com>, John Purvey
> <mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Matt if you came to Australia you would be considered a teeny-bopper
> listening to
> > Silverchair! Sorry, but my 14 yr old cousins favourite bands are: silverchair,
> > backstreet boys, hanson! Silverchair posters grace the female teenage
> magazines
> > such as: dolly, tv-hits, girlfriend, etc. I therefore conclude you do
> have your
> > own opinion; to be a teeny-bopper. I have no problem with people having
> their own
> > opinion, which you obviously do, and I think that every person has the
> right to be
> > a teeny-bopper even if only as a result of pure ignorance. Go on and listen to
> > 'frogstomp' and your other teenage wetdream tunes now.....
>
> Newsflash: This guy's an asshole.
>
> Matt
sorry Matt, nothing personal :^) It's true though... maybe you should holiday in
Australia somtime...
infact here's a story for you;
at newcastle college (silverchairs ex-school), all the students used to wear 'i hate
silverchair' t-shirts....
John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!
petty insults. It only shows your lack of intelligent debating skills....
Matt wrote:
> Hey moron, what say you post this same message a few dozen more times?
>
> Newsflash: This guy is a REDUNDANT asshole.
>
> Matt
>
> In article <3764EDF3...@hotmail.com>, John Purvey
> <mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Matt if you came to Australia you would be considered a teeny-bopper
> listening to
> > Silverchair! Sorry, but my 14 yr old cousins favourite bands are: silverchair,
> > backstreet boys, hanson! Silverchair posters grace the female teenage
> magazines
> > such as: dolly, tv-hits, girlfriend, etc. I therefore conclude you do
> have your
> > own opinion; to be a teeny-bopper. I have no problem with people having
> their own
> > opinion, which you obviously do, and I think that every person has the
> right to be
> > a teeny-bopper even if only as a result of pure ignorance. Go on and listen to
> > 'frogstomp' and your other teenage wetdream tunes now.....
> >
> > Matt wrote:
> >
> > > In article <CI%83.10061$PN5....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>, "Adrian Beith"
> > > <adrian...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > not now. I saw that the message was being cross-posted and I decided
> to see
> > > > what the Silverchair news-group was mentioning.
> > >
> > > Translation: He came over to tell us all how incredibly simple and stupid
> > > we are for liking the band. He came to tell us that we are all the witless
> > > victims of marketing propeaganda, and that we wouldn't know good music if
> > > it bit us in the ass. Further, we are all teenie-boppers (I'm a working
> > > professional well out of college, but ....) who can't distinguish what we
> > > really like. We're puppets with opinions that don't matter.
> > >
> > > Thank you oh great Adrian. We really see the fucking light now.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > >
> > > > neat thing we have here wrote in message
> > > > <19990613144642...@ng-ca1.aol.com>...
> > > > >>i actually replied to the comment in the smashing-pumpkins newsgroup
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >so, are you still replying to the comment in the Pumpkins group?
> > > > >
> > > > >~k
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >*make room for the prey cause i'm coming in with what i want to say but
> > > > it's
> > > > >gonna hurt and i love the pain a breeding ground for hate but...*
> ~DPJ (SC)
> > > > >
> > > > >Cheap and hard to find CDs, Records, Tapes, and Videos @ www.cdjoint.com
John Purvey - the daniel johns slayer!
Ryan Nims wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 00:47:40 -0500, m.doeden@*no-spam*excite.com
> (Matt) wrote:
>
> >I am fully aware of this. Yet somehow, they still sold MILLIONS of copies
> >of Frogstomp. Why? Because PEOPLE LIKED THEIR MUSIC.
> >
>
> The backstreet boys sold 1,000,000 copies of their new one the first
> week out, Why? Because PEOPLE LIKED THEIR MUSIC.
>
> _
> (This post ©1999 Nimerica)
> "That thing has more bleeps than RD-D2 on a coke jag".
> Dennis Miller
"the masses are fools"- Adolf Hitler
MadManMead
I love Nirvana, this is true.
>i do agree all those albums are awesome, and yes, Nirvana were the
>kings of grunge.
This is also, more or less true.
> But the only reason Silverchair are considered to be
>Nirvana wannabes is because they were labelled as Nirvana wannabes when
>they first came out.Simply because Daniel looked a bit like Kurt.
This is bullshit. While it's true they may have judged them by what they wore,
how they looked, etc. The true reason they were thought of to be Nirvanabe's
is because they had a sound that was already taken as far as it could go, which
was Nirvana's sound. And yes, it is also true they used aspects of Pearl Jam's
music also.
>The
>fact that they've been labelled as trying to be Nirvana, has given
>people reason to deliberately look for traces of Nirvana in their
>songs.
False. It was there to begin with. When Smashing Pumpkins first came out,
they were labeled as a "grunge" band. When their sound became more and more
well known, the label wore off. They got out from under the stereotype, and if
you still think SP are a "grunge" band, you're a fucking idiot. Silverchair
were labeled as exactly what they are. A fourth-generation copy grunge band.
>But seriously, if you look at any grunge band today, you'll see
>a Nirvana influence. Afterall, is'nt that why we get involved in music
>in the first place,due to our musical influences? No music seems rto be
>original anymore, but what can you do?
That's because Nirvana took grunge to the extreme. Trying to top Nirvana is
stupid. There is no such thing as a grunge band today, that can actually
present original and moving material. Grunge was a feeling, a movement, a
burst of emotional music into the mainstream. But once it hit the main stream,
we have all these crap bands like Silverchair who don't come anywhere near
delivering any emotional, or original material. It's all about the money, now,
kids. Silverchair is no exception to the corporate pile of shit that has
accumulated over the past 5 years.
Joli
So...boys...GET YOUR FUCKING SHIT OUT OF HERE! Try alt.music.silverchair,alt.music.smash-pumpkins.
-Joli-
Joli
JiBe <ronny.a...@trelleborg.XXXSPAMmail.telia.com> wrote:
:One question:
:
: Why the fuck do you crosspost this shit to alt.music.slayer?
:
: --
:
: JiBe
:
: http://listen.to/corrode
Matt
slayer!" <mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
.
>
> infact here's a story for you;
>
> at newcastle college (silverchairs ex-school), all the students used to
wear 'i hate
> silverchair' t-shirts....
Oh well, this proves it all. *boggle*
Never have I said everyone has to like Silverchair, nor have I said
everyone does. All I'm saying is that SOME PEOPLE DO, and it's rather
off-putting when some schmuck strolls over the the Silverchair NG to tell
us we're all brainless fucking puppets of a vast marketing scheme (which
somehow doesn't exist in the States, but that's details), and that we
wouldn't know what kind of music we like if it walked up to us and bit us
in ass. It's fucking arrogant and self-serving, and that's what I've called
it.
Again, is this really so difficult to understand?
Matt
Matt
slayer!" <mred...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> awww Mat, you should really learn to put across an argument rather than
resorting to
> petty insults. It only shows your lack of intelligent debating skills....
Good Christ. Ever heard the cliche: "Turnabout is fair play?"
You insult me, you can expect reciprocal treatment. Don't fucking cry about
it when you get it.
Matt
Matt
> Oh, c'mon, like you had any idea that
> alt.music.silverchair existed....
?????
I've never even OPENED a Smashing Pumpkins NG, so I think it's safe to
assume I'm posting out of the Silverchair NG.
> Even if you post there, it's about as useful as
> alt.music.baz-lurhman
To you. To me, a Pumpkins NG is utterly useless. But I would never
prescribe to tell everyone else they have no use for it -- Pupkins fans,
for example, do. Just as Silverchair fans have a use for their NG.
Is this really so difficult to understand, Ryan?
Matt
Matt
>
> "the masses are fools"- Adolf Hitler
BING BING -- we have a winner (read: LOSER). First Hitler reference. Always
comes down to that for the nasties.
Matt