Christmas gifts (for me)
Corganized
Since I'm only 14, and I still get all kinds of good stuff for Christmas, even
tho I am atheist anyway. So I thought I'd share. I got:
150some $
a Fender Stratcaster and an amp
the MCIS tab book
TAFL (as a collectors item, i guess)
4 SP postcards
the SP flag
a South Park shirt (it says Oh my God, they killed Kenny)
Sweet Relief II (i never got around to buying it)
20 Explosive blah blah blah (it either)
not bad, huh
-Ryan-
duc...@hotmail.com
Not bad at all... if you like getting a lot of presents and having lots
of new stuff to do on Christmas. If you're like ME, however, you enjoy
opening a couple crappy presents (like... say... a size large [I'm a
small] t-shirt with a big ugly picture of a horse on it) and then going
to look at the presents your parents bought you about a month ago
(like... say... snowboard boots) and being bitter because you haven't
been able to use them yet, along with your birthday present (like...
say... a snowboard) because the climate just isn't agreeing with you
(like it hasn't fucking snowed enough yet).
Man... I just love Christmas, really :)
Nevy
Mizraim
quoth ryan:
>Since I'm only 14, and I still get all kinds of good stuff for Christmas,
>even
>tho I am atheist anyway
I think you'd better do a little more living before you disqualify the
possibility of the existence of God, man.
There is yet much to experience which has not been experienced and much to know
which you have not yet known.
14. A sucky age. My sympathy.
Miz
"WUHWEHRWOow." - Starla
Charlotte Seley
well...if 14 is a sucky age...and...im not 14 yet.....and it sucks
already....oh jeez. my hanukkah presents arent too bad this year but i
dont get as much as i used to. oh well.
-charlotte
~"Im not a punk, im just misunderstood."~
~*BladerXL*~
******************************************
Encyclopedia E. Brown
Cloned Sheep Runs Amuck!! Mizraim Reports:
> quoth ryan:
> >Since I'm only 14, and I still get all kinds of good stuff for Christmas,
> >even
> >tho I am atheist anyway
>
> I think you'd better do a little more living before you disqualify the
> possibility of the existence of God, man.
>
> There is yet much to experience which has not been experienced and much to know
> which you have not yet known.
Who ISN'T an atheist...
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| it is very annoying... |
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| what? |
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Encyclopedia E. Brown
Cloned Sheep Runs Amuck!! Chris Taylor wrote:
<snip snip>
> does anyone else think this kid is spolied?
>
> chris
Yeah, I had to work 4 months to get my guitar... but then again maybe I
shouldn't of got a $1300 guitar. Life's just no fair.
> np: oasis - don't go away
Oasis? :)
SPBootleg7
>14. A sucky age. My sympathy.
Don't all ages suck?
"Shut my mouth and strike the demons"
Smiley Iha
If you're an atheist you don't call your "holiday" christmas. gee.
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Chris Taylor
corga...@aol.com (Corganized) wrote:
>Since I'm only 14, and I still get all kinds of good stuff for Christmas, even
>tho I am atheist anyway. So I thought I'd share. I got:
>150some $
>a Fender Stratcaster and an amp
>the MCIS tab book
>TAFL (as a collectors item, i guess)
>4 SP postcards
>the SP flag
>a South Park shirt (it says Oh my God, they killed Kenny)
>Sweet Relief II (i never got around to buying it)
>20 Explosive blah blah blah (it either)
>not bad, huh
does anyone else think this kid is spolied?
chris
np: oasis - don't go away
1=2 we hope that you choke
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Justin King
Starl...@webtv.net (Charlotte Seley) writes: > well...if 14 is a sucky age...and...im not 14 yet.....and it sucks
> already....oh jeez. my hanukkah presents arent too bad this year but i
> dont get as much as i used to. oh well.
when you have alot of fiber?
Justin King
ch...@napan.com (Chris Taylor) writes: > corga...@aol.com (Corganized) wrote:
>
> >Since I'm only 14, and I still get all kinds of good stuff for Christmas, even
> >tho I am atheist anyway. So I thought I'd share. I got:
>
> >150some $
> >a Fender Stratcaster and an amp
> >the MCIS tab book
> >TAFL (as a collectors item, i guess)
> >4 SP postcards
> >the SP flag
> >a South Park shirt (it says Oh my God, they killed Kenny)
> >Sweet Relief II (i never got around to buying it)
> >20 Explosive blah blah blah (it either)
>
> >not bad, huh
>
> does anyone else think this kid is spolied?
I bet the Sweet Relief CD is used.
I'm kinda sick of Christmas.
I don't know if this means I've grown
up (which may never happen)
but I didn't get anything
out of Christmas until I surprised some friends with presents.
LunaBloom7
>well...if 14 is a sucky age...and...im not 14 yet.....and it sucks
>already....oh jeez. my hanukkah presents arent too bad this year but i
>dont get as much as i used to. oh well.
i like being 15. i could get a job if i liked (or had time, or willpower). i'm
young enough that i can still amaze people by being precocious from time to
time. and old enough that i can listen to songs with swears in them in front of
my parents. i have very little responsibility. i have the comfort of knowing
that my mom supports me (the warm cozy feeling that i won't be cast into the
street). and i'm not old enough to have to be good at anything.
unfortunately, with this comes the hormonal rollercoaster that doesn't give me
a day without the fleeting thought of suicide. that, fortunately, i can
recognize and laugh at later...
yes, sir. it's a wonderful life. i mean it. i like life. i like being me, too.
it's fun! ~Julia (the merry whore of tears, idiot, anpo captain, dah dah dah..)
Ross Robbins
14 really isn't a sucky age... i'm 14... hm...
NP - Jealousy, James Iha
-ross
:)
Charlotte Seley <Starl...@webtv.net> wrote in article
<681fmf$6vd$1...@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net>...
> well...if 14 is a sucky age...and...im not 14 yet.....and it sucks
> already....oh jeez. my hanukkah presents arent too bad this year but i
> dont get as much as i used to. oh well.
Junkie See
>> does anyone else think this kid is spolied?
>>
very spoiled
-Ryan-
better known as
Corga...@aol.com
Junkie S...@aol.com
Eva Ad...@aol.com
There...@aol.com
(i have 4 aol names, is that spoiled too)
Chris Taylor
"Encyclopedia E. Brown" <ferri...@innocent.com> wrote:
>Yeah, I had to work 4 months to get my guitar... but then again maybe I
>shouldn't of got a $1300 guitar. Life's just no fair.
yeah, and he got more than just a guitar too...
>Oasis? :)
now what's wrong with oasis? i used to dislike them, but when you
listen to them from a completely 'don't care about the meanings, just
if it sounds nice' point of view, they're a great band. just listen to
magic pie...
chris
np: ric ocasek/billy corgan - asia minor
John Mulhausen
On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 06:56:30 GMT, ch...@napan.com (Chris Taylor)
handed us the following:
>"Encyclopedia E. Brown" <ferri...@innocent.com> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, I had to work 4 months to get my guitar... but then again maybe I
>>shouldn't of got a $1300 guitar. Life's just no fair.
>
>yeah, and he got more than just a guitar too...
heh. i've been working 2 jobs for months now. and i've just purchased
all the parts for my new computer. (Pentium II, you fuckers!! That's
right!!) - now I must assemble it. unfortunately a lot of it is OEM -
i.e. no frikkin' manuals. but that's okay. it's a neat project. a
challenge.
oh, and i'm also buying a car.
and i don't have a lick of credit for any of this. i just saved up. i
hate credit. i don't have enough money to hand out an extra 20+% to
some corporation for sending me a bill. but i do have enough time and
patience to save up for what i want, and pay for it in cash/check
form, without any "plans," strings, or interest. and that feels mighty
good.
anyway. nothing like blowing $6,000. :)
-john
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John Mulhausen
On 27 Dec 1997 01:09:33 GMT, smil...@aol.com (Smiley Iha) handed us
the following:
>If you're an atheist you don't call your "holiday" christmas. gee.
i call it christmas. that's what it's called. i call easter easter, as
well. and i call my friend andrew "Andrew." it's all quite simple. of
course, i don't believe in santa, jesus, the easter bunny, or andrew,
for that matter. but hey. they all have names.
Encyclopedia E. Brown
Previously on Full House... Chris Taylor wrote:
> >Oasis? :)
>
> now what's wrong with oasis? i used to dislike them, but when you
> listen to them from a completely 'don't care about the meanings, just
> if it sounds nice' point of view, they're a great band. just listen to
> magic pie...
Oasis is probably my biggest guilty pleasure. All my indie cred... out
the door! I'm not their biggest fan or anything, and often times I
despise them, but as much as I hate them I can't help humming along.
Face it: EVERYBODY LIKES OASIS!
they just won't admit it.
Encyclopedia E. Brown
Previously on Mad About You... John Mulhausen wrote:
> heh. i've been working 2 jobs for months now.
TWO jobs? I had like one and a half jobs once and it KILLED me. One
job right now in between taking 20 credit hours is pretty draining in
itself. What do you do if I may ask perse?
Two jobs, sheesh... if only I had the energy. Good luck with the car,
don't get swindled by guys like me... I used to be a car salesman.
Shoegaze99
ch...@napan.com (Chris Taylor) writes:
>"Encyclopedia E. Brown" <ferri...@innocent.com> wrote:
>>Oasis? :)
>
>now what's wrong with oasis? i used to dislike them, but when you
>listen to them from a completely 'don't care about the meanings, just
>if it sounds nice' point of view, they're a great band. just listen to
>magic pie...
Agreed. I am really iffy on the new album, but Magic
Pie is an outstanding song. If you take them for what
they are-a straightforward rock n' roll band-they are
really great. Too bad the b-sides from the last two
records have been far better than the actual album
tracks. Headshrinker, Round Are Way, The Masterplan,
Up In The Sky, Step Out, and so on...
np: Radiohead - FPT (live)
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Hmm being 23 is rather nice :)
Mark Andrew Hamilton
On Sat, 27 Dec 1997, Chris Taylor wrote:
> "Encyclopedia E. Brown" <ferri...@innocent.com> wrote:
>
> >Oasis? :)
>
> now what's wrong with oasis? i used to dislike them, but when you
> listen to them from a completely 'don't care about the meanings, just
> if it sounds nice' point of view, they're a great band. just listen to
> magic pie...
>
"Used to"? Heh. I still think 'Definitely Maybe' was Oasis' highest
moment. 'What's The Story' was dull, and 'Be Here Now' has "Look! It's
an Epic!" stamped all over it, and a couple songs without any decent hooks
('Fade In-Out' for example) atall.
Plus, they seemed so much...I dunno...Cooler when nobody knew who they
were. "Y'know... Oasis!" "Who?" And so, reading their press which
occasionally popped up in one-page run-downs containing Noel's
self-indulgent platitudes about their status as "the biggest and best band
in the world" was actually kind of neato-mosquito in an Urge Overkill
Caviar-On-A-Sardine-Budget kind of way.
> chris
> np: ric ocasek/billy corgan - asia minor
>
So, what do you think...? I was rather disappointed by 'Asia Minor', but
'Troublizing' has some good tunes on it. Woulda made a hell of an EP. ;-)
np: blur - entertain me [live it!]
Lazy, Hazy, Maybe Crazy...
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well...considering that it doesnt matter that im a jew because mr.
hankey would love me anyway....yeah, he visits our house.
–charlotte
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Justin King
"Encyclopedia E. Brown" <ferri...@innocent.com> writes: > Previously on Full House... Chris Taylor wrote:
>
> > >Oasis? :)
> >
> > now what's wrong with oasis? i used to dislike them, but when you
> > listen to them from a completely 'don't care about the meanings, just
> > if it sounds nice' point of view, they're a great band. just listen to
> > magic pie...
>
> the door! I'm not their biggest fan or anything, and often times I
> despise them, but as much as I hate them I can't help humming along.
>
I'm so sick of hearing them talk and argue and call people
a nipple, but whenever I hear Supersonic or Morning Glory,
I'm kind of caught up in the songs.
Prozac
Frappster <frap...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19971227050...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
> >LunaBloom7 wrote:
>
> >i like being 15.
> >yes, sir. it's a wonderful life. i mean it. i like life. i like being
me,
> >too.
> >it's fun!
I don't know any 15 year old like this. Are you sure you're not some
middle-aged balding guy?
>
> Uggh, 14 sucks, 15 sucks, 16 sucks... I stopped liking life when I was
around
> 10. It could have been earlier, but I have no recollection of anything
between
> 7 and 10 years old.
>
> -Troy
You too? That's damn weird! I'm 14 though, so I still have a ways to
go... I can't pinpoint the exact age when I turned cynical and life-hating.
Must've been 10, cause that's when I started listening to Nirvana and SP
(joke).
-JM
Smiley Iha
"Prozac" <cocoap...@hotmail.com> told the world:
>You too? That's damn weird! I'm 14 though, so I still have a ways to
>go... I can't pinpoint the exact age when I turned cynical and life-hating.
> Must've been 10, cause that's when I started listening to Nirvana and SP
>(joke).
I'm almost 16. It sucks. Then again, any age sucks. But I guess 16 sucks the
worst. It's when you get your first car that looks like it's older than your
parents. Ahh.. how I love being a 5'11" teen.. it's so wonderful. You're taller
than both your parents. But then again being called "The Jolly Green Giant"
does do a number on your self-esteem :-)
subu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
LunaBloom7 (lunab...@aol.com) wrote:
: i like being 15. i could get a job if i liked (or had time, or
Whoah.... I always thought you were older than that. HAH! I'm older
than you. heh.
Mike Starboy (experiencing a shortlived burst of superiority)
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Chris Taylor
see.m...@sorry.toomuchspam.com (John Mulhausen) wrote:
>heh. i've been working 2 jobs for months now. and i've just purchased
>all the parts for my new computer. (Pentium II, you fuckers!! That's
>right!!) - now I must assemble it. unfortunately a lot of it is OEM -
>i.e. no frikkin' manuals. but that's okay. it's a neat project. a
>challenge.
that's one of my dad's hobbies. taking old crappy computers (ie.
286's, 386's, etc.)that are broken, and taking parts from each one,
making a mutant computer, which he then uses for god knows what... but
we have about 10 of 'em sitting in the basement... :)
>oh, and i'm also buying a car.
did you find another probe? :)
>and i don't have a lick of credit for any of this. i just saved up. i
>hate credit. i don't have enough money to hand out an extra 20+% to
>some corporation for sending me a bill. but i do have enough time and
>patience to save up for what i want, and pay for it in cash/check
>form, without any "plans," strings, or interest. and that feels mighty
>good.
i feel the exact same way you do john. why bother with a checking
account, or a credit card, or interact, or whatever. carry cash. well,
that might not be a good idea for some people, but it's safe enough
here that you don't have to worry about being mugged...
>anyway. nothing like blowing $6,000. :)
well, it'd be a new experience for me... you americans are lucky.
whenever i go to the states, you see gigantic 'help wanted' signs
everywhere, and every paper has about 25 pages of help wanted ads...
around here, there's absolutely *no* work for teenagers, and there's
about 20 help wanted ads a week, and most of em are volunteer ones
anyway... (which are nice to do, but you don't get paid,
unfortunately...)
chris
np: oasis - be here now
Chris Taylor
"Encyclopedia E. Brown" <ferri...@innocent.com> wrote:
>Oasis is probably my biggest guilty pleasure. All my indie cred... out
>the door! I'm not their biggest fan or anything, and often times I
>despise them, but as much as I hate them I can't help humming along.
yeah, there's goes our cred man... :) and you have to laugh at their
arrogant attitudes...
interviewer: "noel says there was quite a bit of luck involved when
you got noticed at your very first show."
liam(looking at camera, pointing finger): "you're wrong noel, wrong!
that's bullshit... there was no luck. we were bloody good, and that's
that..."
>Face it: EVERYBODY LIKES OASIS!
>they just won't admit it.
good point. :)
Chris Taylor
Mark Andrew Hamilton <maha...@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>"Used to"? Heh. I still think 'Definitely Maybe' was Oasis' highest
>moment. 'What's The Story' was dull, and 'Be Here Now' has "Look! It's
>an Epic!" stamped all over it, and a couple songs without any decent hooks
>('Fade In-Out' for example) atall.
actually, i like fade in-out... the intro reminds me of a bon jovi
song or something... :) the only song i don't really care for that
much on be here now is my big mouth. it just, i don't know... annoys
me... magic pie is by far my favorite tune, but be here now is pretty
cool. that whistling is great...
>Plus, they seemed so much...I dunno...Cooler when nobody knew who they
>were. "Y'know... Oasis!" "Who?" And so, reading their press which
>occasionally popped up in one-page run-downs containing Noel's
>self-indulgent platitudes about their status as "the biggest and best band
>in the world" was actually kind of neato-mosquito in an Urge Overkill
>Caviar-On-A-Sardine-Budget kind of way.
yeah, i gotcha there. :) pre-morning glory days were cool. i'm a live
forever fan myself... :) so there you go.
>So, what do you think...? I was rather disappointed by 'Asia Minor', but
>'Troublizing' has some good tunes on it. Woulda made a hell of an EP. ;-)
yeah, i'm kinda disappointed with asia minor too, but i can't
complain... it wasn't even co-written by billy. it was totally written
by billy. sorta makes me think of an eye/ransom sndrtk inbred or
something... :) but yeah, overall, troublizing would be worth getting
even if billy wasn't featured at all...
chris
np: oasis - it's getting better (man!)
Smiley Iha
ch...@napan.com (Chris Taylor) told the world:
>well, it'd be a new experience for me... you americans are lucky.
>whenever i go to the states, you see gigantic 'help wanted' signs
>everywhere, and every paper has about 25 pages of help wanted ads...
>around here, there's absolutely *no* work for teenagers, and there's
>about 20 help wanted ads a week, and most of em are volunteer ones
>anyway... (which are nice to do, but you don't get paid,
>unfortunately...)
Hey Chris, where do you live?
Charlotte Seley
i think i liked it better when i was 5.
-charlotte
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Keeper7Kys
><HTML><PRE><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">Subject: Re: Christmas gifts (for me)
>From: Justin King <jki...@shiatel.tds.net>
>Date: Sat, Dec 27, 1997 19:28 EST
>Message-id: <6846fc$m...@news2.tds.net>
>
>"Encyclopedia E. Brown" <ferri...@innocent.com> writes: > Previously on
>Full House... Chris Taylor wrote:
>>
>> > >Oasis? :)
>> >
>> > now what's wrong with oasis? i used to dislike them, but when you
>> > listen to them from a completely 'don't care about the meanings, just
>> > if it sounds nice' point of view, they're a great band. just listen to
>> > magic pie...
>>
>> the door! I'm not their biggest fan or anything, and often times I
>> despise them, but as much as I hate them I can't help humming along.
>>
>I'm so sick of hearing them talk and argue and call people
>a nipple, but whenever I hear Supersonic or Morning Glory,
>I'm kind of caught up in the songs.
OASIS SUCK BALLS!!
Weapon X
On Sun, 28 Dec 1997, Chris Taylor wrote:
> "Encyclopedia E. Brown" <ferri...@innocent.com> wrote:
>
> >Oasis is probably my biggest guilty pleasure. All my indie cred... out
> >the door! I'm not their biggest fan or anything, and often times I
> >despise them, but as much as I hate them I can't help humming along.
>
> yeah, there's goes our cred man... :) and you have to laugh at their
> arrogant attitudes...
>
> interviewer: "noel says there was quite a bit of luck involved when
> you got noticed at your very first show."
>
> liam(looking at camera, pointing finger): "you're wrong noel, wrong!
> that's bullshit... there was no luck. we were bloody good, and that's
> that..."
And conversely, when Noel was told what Liam's reaction was, his reply
was, "Well, what the fuck does he know?" ^_^
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On Sun, 28 Dec 1997, Chris Taylor wrote:
> actually, i like fade in-out... the intro reminds me of a bon jovi
> song or something... :) the only song i don't really care for that
> much on be here now is my big mouth. it just, i don't know... annoys
> me... magic pie is by far my favorite tune, but be here now is pretty
> cool. that whistling is great...
>
Heh. Well, looky that. Complete difference in opinion. ;-) 'My Big
Mouth', a personal favorite. 'Fade In-Out', an instant 'SKIP' button
press. But there's just something about 'D'You Know What I Mean?' that I
just *can't* skip over. Great tune, says I. [But my *top, top, top*
choice for best of 'Be Here Now', is a b-side -- Noel's cover of Bowie's
'Heroes'. Even closes in on the majesty of the original].
>
> yeah, i gotcha there. :) pre-morning glory days were cool. i'm a live
> forever fan myself... :) so there you go.
>
Uh. But in your last post, you "hated them" during 'Definitely Maybe'.
Wassup wit dat?
<Troublizing>
>
> yeah, i'm kinda disappointed with asia minor too, but i can't
> complain... it wasn't even co-written by billy. it was totally written
> by billy. sorta makes me think of an eye/ransom sndrtk inbred or
> something... :) but yeah, overall, troublizing would be worth getting
> even if billy wasn't featured at all...
>
Ric Ocasek just doesn't fit within the song. It's almost funny hearing
him "sing" Billy's lyrics in his usual "holding back a burrito fart"
drone.
And about 'Troublizing' being worth the purchase without Billy, in all
honesty I don't think I would have bothered picking it up. A few catchy
tunes, but some really awful awful stuff. (What the *hell* is that spoken
word, 'Society Trance' bull?!?)
> np: oasis - it's getting better (man!)
>
Ugh. Another shite tune from 'Be Here Now'. ;-)
np: sloan - the lines you amend
Purple1
Mark Andrew Hamilton
On 28 Dec 1997, Frappster wrote:
> >Chris Taylor wrote:
> >interviewer: "noel says there was quite a bit of luck involved when
> >you got noticed at your very first show."
> >
> >liam(looking at camera, pointing finger): "you're wrong noel, wrong!
> >that's bullshit... there was no luck. we were bloody good, and that's
> >that..."
>
> I love those two. Anybody out there heard "Wibbling Rivalry"?
>
hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe. For anyone who hasn't,
typing in 'Oasis' at www.excite.co.uk brings up a link to a full 'Wibbling
Rivalry' transcription at the top of the pile...! Ironic how the link
most matching the search request is a bitter argument betwixt a couple of
twits high on stardom.
np: radiohead - how i made my millions
jonathan
Chris Taylor wrote:
>
> "Encyclopedia E. Brown" <ferri...@innocent.com> wrote:
>
> >Oasis is probably my biggest guilty pleasure. All my indie cred... out
> >the door! I'm not their biggest fan or anything, and often times I
> >despise them, but as much as I hate them I can't help humming along.
>
> yeah, there's goes our cred man... :) and you have to laugh at their
> arrogant attitudes...
>
> you got noticed at your very first show."
>
> liam(looking at camera, pointing finger): "you're wrong noel, wrong!
> that's bullshit... there was no luck. we were bloody good, and that's
> that..."
>
>
> >they just won't admit it.
>
> good point. :)
>
> chris
> np: oasis - be here now
>
> "Chris is gonna get back on the traps, please bare
> with him, he's a little drunk," - Patrick Pentland
> "The naked mole rats will rule the world," - Billy Corgan
> -The Alt.Music.Smash-Pumpkins Profile Page-
> *** www.napan.com/amsp ***
i hate oasis...even geroge harrison of the beatles hates oasis,he has a
good reason to considering oasis have made three albums of nothing but
beatles covers...
Chris Taylor
smil...@aol.com (Smiley Iha) wrote:
>Hey Chris, where do you live?
new brunswick, canada.
as for the city/town, well, take your pick from:
miramichi, chatham, and napan. the damned people can't make up their
minds *where* i live... in the city limits, out of city limits, in
city limits, out of city limits, and hey, lets change the name of the
city in the meantime!
chris
np: oasis - fade in-out
Chris Taylor
Mark Andrew Hamilton <maha...@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>Heh. Well, looky that. Complete difference in opinion. ;-) 'My Big
>Mouth', a personal favorite. 'Fade In-Out', an instant 'SKIP' button
>press. But there's just something about 'D'You Know What I Mean?' that I
>just *can't* skip over. Great tune, says I. [But my *top, top, top*
>choice for best of 'Be Here Now', is a b-side -- Noel's cover of Bowie's
>'Heroes'. Even closes in on the majesty of the original].
well, i don't skip my big mouth, i just don't enjoy it that much...
and i know what you mean 'bout d'you know what i mean... :) you can't
really get sick of it...
>Uh. But in your last post, you "hated them" during 'Definitely Maybe'.
>Wassup wit dat?
no no no. ok, here's my complete (ok, abridged) story of oasis:
heard live forever. liked it. got definately maybe. listened to it,
enjoyed it for awhile, then it went into my cassette rack with all the
other tapes. sort of forgot about them for awhile. morning glory came
out. i liked wonderwall, and since i liked definately maybe, i bought
it. despised it. i just hated it. what a bunch of crap. stuck it in my
CD rack, and left it there. an undetermined amount of time later, for
some reason, i stuck it in my cd player, and listened again. i decided
a few songs weren't all *that* bad. so i listened to it some more, and
some more, and some more, until finally i liked most of the album. so
i liked oasis again. yay! then when be here now came out, well, i just
didn't feel like spending my money on it. but i have it now, and it's
pretty good, although like you mentioned mark, it seems like noel
wanted it to be an epic. i mean, how many songs over 7 minutes are
there? :)
>Ric Ocasek just doesn't fit within the song. It's almost funny hearing
>him "sing" Billy's lyrics in his usual "holding back a burrito fart"
>drone.
exactly. without ric in there, it could've been a good song. with him,
it's a so-so song.
>And about 'Troublizing' being worth the purchase without Billy, in all
>honesty I don't think I would have bothered picking it up. A few catchy
>tunes, but some really awful awful stuff. (What the *hell* is that spoken
>word, 'Society Trance' bull?!?)
i have no idea what is up with that. i probably wouldn't have bothered
to pick it up if not for billy either, but if i would have boughten
it, i think i would have enjoyed it, billy or not.
>Ugh. Another shite tune from 'Be Here Now'. ;-)
i'm listening to be here now right now. i love the whistling. :)
chris
np: oasis - be here now
1=2 we hope that you choke
Matthew BLB
In article <19971227042...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, LunaBloom7
<lunab...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>
>i like being 15. i could get a job if i liked (or had time, or willpower).
Fifteen is good. Seven is better. I liked almost every moment of my
life when I was seven, even despite all the problems I had. Or maybe I'm
just blocking out my childhood traumas.... Hell, I can remember being
spoonfed before I was a year old. I can remember eating poisonous
berries before I was two. I can remember hundreds of little things about
everyday life when I was *really* young and then there's a gap in my
mind... (Still, as the astute will point out, there always was :)
> i'm
>young enough that i can still amaze people by being precocious from time to
>time. and old enough that i can listen to songs with swears in them in front of
>my parents.
I can't do *that*! I was 17 before I could use the word 'crap' and
avoid a 'clip about the lughole'.
> i have very little responsibility. i have the comfort of knowing
>that my mom supports me (the warm cozy feeling that i won't be cast into the
>street). and i'm not old enough to have to be good at anything.
I was always good at everything until it mattered. Nevermind, Julia.
You're intelligent enough, and a damned sight more educated in the ways
of the world than I ever was. Although I could draw at least one
striking parallel between us both age 15.
(Apart from stupid angst. We all go through that. The best teenagers do
it *quietly*.)
>
>unfortunately, with this comes the hormonal rollercoaster that doesn't give me
>a day without the fleeting thought of suicide.
Stupid hormones. I mean. Where was my freaking testosterone when I was
15? Oh well. All's well that ends well.
>
>yes, sir. it's a wonderful life. i mean it. i like life.
You're not convincing anyone....
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Matthew BLB
In article <19971228044...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Frappster
<frap...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>
>5'11'' blows, i just want one more fucking inch, is that too much to ask?
>
Women everywhere echo your cry.
John Mulhausen
On Sat, 27 Dec 1997 09:18:24 -0500, "Encyclopedia E. Brown"
<ferri...@innocent.com> handed us the following:
>Previously on Mad About You... John Mulhausen wrote:
>
>> heh. i've been working 2 jobs for months now.
>
>TWO jobs? I had like one and a half jobs once and it KILLED me.
really? it's not too bad. i come home quite irritated, though.
> One
>job right now in between taking 20 credit hours is pretty draining in
>itself. What do you do if I may ask perse?
one job is selling software. one is fixing hardware. woo.
>Two jobs, sheesh... if only I had the energy. Good luck with the car,
>don't get swindled by guys like me... I used to be a car salesman.
eh. i'm the sort who doesn't listen to a fucking thing salesmen say. i
know what i want, i ask the questions, and if they start hustling me,
i interrupt them.
Encyclopedia E. Brown
Previously on Friends... Matthew BLB wrote:
> In article <19971228044...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Frappster
> <frap...@aol.com> spake thusly:
> >
> >5'11'' blows, i just want one more fucking inch, is that too much to ask?
> >
> Women everywhere echo your cry.
Your timing couldn't have been worse...
Now am I going to get this coffee out of my keyboard?
I'm sending YOU the bill!
[=============================================]
|I don't need to drink to have a good time |
|I need to drink to stop the voice in my head |
|and that voice has a studder... |
| it is very annoying... |
| "k-k-k-ill your p-p-par..." |
| what? |
| "k-k-k-ill your p-p-par..." |
| WRITE IT DOWN!! |
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Encyclopedia E. Brown
Previously on Seinfeld... Chris Taylor wrote:
> yeah, there's goes our cred man... :) and you have to laugh at their
> arrogant attitudes...
What other band is like that? I'll have to admit... sometimes I find
myself humming some Ben Folds Five.
They're goofy, but they could be good. I haven't met anyone that can
recommend them, but they're no Weezer.
> interviewer: "noel says there was quite a bit of luck involved when
> you got noticed at your very first show."
>
> liam(looking at camera, pointing finger): "you're wrong noel, wrong!
> that's bullshit... there was no luck. we were bloody good, and that's
> that..."
Actually, how can you understand what they're saying? I can never
understand a single word! They're probably talking about rustproofing
or something!
On the topic, James broke down and name Morning Glory one of his top ten
albums of the year... and after how much they made fun of them... I knew
he couldn't resist...
Encyclopedia E. Brown
Previously on Gilligans Island... John Mulhausen wrote:
> eh. i'm the sort who doesn't listen to a fucking thing salesmen say. i
> know what i want, i ask the questions, and if they start hustling me,
> i interrupt them.
Yeah well, it's the intelligent people like you that are making it hard
for the people like me to make an honest, well almost, living.
-now selling knives
Shoegaze99
frap...@aol.com (Frappster) writes:
>>Chris Taylor wrote:
>>interviewer: "noel says there was quite a bit of luck involved when
>>you got noticed at your very first show."
>>
>>liam(looking at camera, pointing finger): "you're wrong noel, wrong!
>>that's bullshit... there was no luck. we were bloody good, and that's
>>that..."
>
>I love those two. Anybody out there heard "Wibbling Rivalry"?
You know, I own it, but I have never listened to it. Just one of
those idiotic collectors things I guess. I've heard the really
good clips from it, so that's about enough. It's just a neat little
collectable to have.
FNORDFNORDFNORDFNORDFNORDFNORDFNORD
The Unofficial Lilys Homepage
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/2296/index.html
My Bootlist (updated about once a month)
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/2296/bootlist.html
Shoegaze99
jonathan <youa...@flash.net> writes:
>i hate oasis...even geroge harrison of the beatles hates oasis,he has a
>good reason to considering oasis have made three albums of nothing but
>beatles covers...
Oh wow, if George Harrison hates them, we all should!
What an incredibly uninformed and stereotypical opinion. If
you knew a damn thing you'd never make the idiotic "Beatles"
statement that Oasis bashers always make. Virtually *nothing*
that they have done has been overly Beatleslike, with the notable
exception of "Whatever," which 95% of people haven't heard anyway.
The only thing Beatleslike about Oasis is that they are British,
and meld pop and rock.
Noel makes references to Beatles lyrics in his songs, and will
occasionally throw in four seconds of a Beatles lick to close
out a song (ala She's Electric) but to say that they have "made
three albums of nothing but beatles covers" is incredibly
stupid and makes me wonder if you have ever actually heard
a Beatles song.
You find me one Oasis song...that's right, just *one*, and The
Beatles song that it corresponds to, and I'll let you go on your
stupid statement.
stickman22
Shoegaze99 <shoeg...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19971229144...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
> jonathan <youa...@flash.net> writes:
>
> >i hate oasis...even geroge harrison of the beatles hates oasis,he has a
> >good reason to considering oasis have made three albums of nothing but
> >beatles covers...
>
> Oh wow, if George Harrison hates them, we all should!
>
> What an incredibly uninformed and stereotypical opinion. If
> you knew a damn thing you'd never make the idiotic "Beatles"
> statement that Oasis bashers always make. Virtually *nothing*
> that they have done has been overly Beatleslike, with the notable
> exception of "Whatever," which 95% of people haven't heard anyway.
> The only thing Beatleslike about Oasis is that they are British,
> and meld pop and rock.
>
> Noel makes references to Beatles lyrics in his songs, and will
> occasionally throw in four seconds of a Beatles lick to close
> out a song (ala She's Electric) but to say that they have "made
> three albums of nothing but beatles covers" is incredibly
> stupid and makes me wonder if you have ever actually heard
> a Beatles song.
>
y'know, i completely agree with you on that point, but you know what? my
boyfriend just bought "definitely maybe" a couple of weeks ago, which is
when i heard it in it's entirety for the first time...there is *one* song
on there that i thought was very beatlesque...but i can't remember the
name. oh well. i can tell you, it's the most stripped down oasis song i
think i've heard. acoustic ditty.
anyway, i'll be (possibly) meeting a fellow amsp-er at an oasis show in
january <waves hello to john>, so you know, oasis is cool, and all that.
yea. wankers, yes. but good songwriters, nevertheless.
--shannon--
Ross Robbins
> You find me one Oasis song...that's right, just *one*, and The
> Beatles song that it corresponds to, and I'll let you go on your
> stupid statement.
"I am the Walrus" played by oasis sounds remarkably like "I am the Walrus"
by the beatles. :)
Ross
Mark Andrew Hamilton
On Mon, 29 Dec 1997, stickman22 wrote:
> > Noel makes references to Beatles lyrics in his songs, and will
> > occasionally throw in four seconds of a Beatles lick to close
> > out a song (ala She's Electric) but to say that they have "made
> > three albums of nothing but beatles covers" is incredibly
> > stupid and makes me wonder if you have ever actually heard
> > a Beatles song.
> >
> y'know, i completely agree with you on that point, but you know what? my
> boyfriend just bought "definitely maybe" a couple of weeks ago, which is
> when i heard it in it's entirety for the first time...there is *one* song
> on there that i thought was very beatlesque...but i can't remember the
> name. oh well. i can tell you, it's the most stripped down oasis song i
> think i've heard. acoustic ditty.
'Married With Children'. :-) And I agree. Sounds straight outta 'Abbey
Road'. But finding Beatles influences which sometimes overpower a song,
happens all of the time. Just try listening to anything Ocean Colour
Scene without thinking of the Fab Four ('The Day We Caught The Train' is a
good example).
> anyway, i'll be (possibly) meeting a fellow amsp-er at an oasis show in
> january <waves hello to john>, so you know, oasis is cool, and all that.
> yea. wankers, yes. but good songwriters, nevertheless.
>
Whoo-hoo...! Should be cool. :-)
Matthew BLB
In article <687foi$nk1$7...@agate.nbnet.nb.ca>, Chris Taylor
<ch...@napan.com> spake thusly:
>then when be here now came out, well, i just
>didn't feel like spending my money on it. but i have it now, and it's
>pretty good, although like you mentioned mark, it seems like noel
>wanted it to be an epic. i mean, how many songs over 7 minutes are
>there? :)
Only five songs in the whole universe deserve to be over seven minutes
long, and three of them are Starla.
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Matthew BLB
In article <19971229185...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, Frappster
<frap...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>>Matthew BLB wrote:
>
>><frap...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>>>
>>>5'11'' blows, i just want one more fucking inch, is that too much to ask?
>>>
>> Women everywhere echo your cry.
>
Thought about it. Decided that measurements and the word 'blows' were
funny enough to stay in this context.
> part
>(unless of course you got schlong that large?).
The thought had occured. But no, not quite.
--
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Matthew BLB
In article <01bd1472$68fed3c0$313884d0@default>, Ross Robbins
<jo...@bmt.net> spake thusly:
LunaBloom7
>
>In article <19971227042...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, LunaBloom7
><lunab...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>>
>>i like being 15. i could get a job if i liked (or had time, or willpower).
>
> Fifteen is good. Seven is better. I liked almost every moment of my
>life when I was seven, even despite all the problems I had. Or maybe I'm
>just blocking out my childhood traumas....
it's funny. i seem to of. my parents got divorced when i was six, for example.
and someone asked me about it once, maybe a year ago, and i said, "no... i
don't think it bothered me that much. i remember just kind of thinking it made
sense. it didn't upset me." and my mother gave me this crazy look and said,
"are you kidding, julia? you cried all the time..." that sort of creeped me
out. i don't like to think i completely forgot how i felt, because then if
someone else was feeling that way, i might not be able to relate, i'd have lost
some empathy and that would just be so sad.
> Hell, I can remember being
>spoonfed before I was a year old. I can remember eating poisonous
>berries before I was two. I can remember hundreds of little things about
>everyday life when I was *really* young and then there's a gap in my
>mind... (Still, as the astute will point out, there always was :)
>
you beat me to it. i guess i'm astute now. :)
how old are you now?
>> i'm
>>young enough that i can still amaze people by being precocious from time to
>>time. and old enough that i can listen to songs with swears in them in front
>of
>>my parents.
>
> I can't do *that*! I was 17 before I could use the word 'crap' and
>avoid a 'clip about the lughole'.
>
heh heh. i listen to pearl jam's Why Go with my mom. she doesn't like it, but
she doesn't hate it... "she's been diagNOSED! by some stupid FUCK!" heh heh.
she was rather taken aback by Slunk, though. "is he really saying...?" (at
least it was the Lull "sisters above" version. i doubt she'd have quite as
mellow a reaction to "you suck dick like a chump..." but she continues to
suprise me.)
>> i have very little responsibility. i have the comfort of knowing
>>that my mom supports me (the warm cozy feeling that i won't be cast into
>the
>>street). and i'm not old enough to have to be good at anything.
>
> I was always good at everything until it mattered.
i'm good at things that i really feel *don't* matter. like, i'm good at art.
i'm the best damn artist in all my classes (they're all academic this year.
Algebra two, Biology, Latin, French, American Culture, my right brain is
constantly nauseous). the teachers have me get up and illustrate on the board
for their classes. where the fuck does it get me? i'm not diciplined enough to
draw something useful (so much for advirtising), my sense of humor leans
dramatically towards in-jokes and esoteric allusions that *nobody* gets but me
(so much for greeting cards), and i don't like to draw someone else's
characters (so much for illustration). this is my best talent, and i don't
think i can do anything with it.
i used to get really good grades, untill one day i showed an assignment to my
mom and pointed out how stupid it was (sixth grade, i think.). she said, "they
know you're smart, julia. it's busywork. you have to learn to jump through the
school system's hoops." and i can't take homework seriously now. (how
sickeningly steryotypical... but i mean it.)
> Nevermind, Julia.
>You're intelligent enough, and a damned sight more educated in the ways
>of the world than I ever was.
what does that mean...?
> Although I could draw at least one
>striking parallel between us both age 15.
>
and this...? i'd love for you to elaborate...
> (Apart from stupid angst. We all go through that. The best teenagers do
>it *quietly*.)
>
i cry a lot. that's not quietly...
>>
>>unfortunately, with this comes the hormonal rollercoaster that doesn't give
>me
>>a day without the fleeting thought of suicide.
>
> Stupid hormones. I mean. Where was my freaking testosterone when I was
>15? Oh well. All's well that ends well.
(just what frappster's thinkin').
>>
>>yes, sir. it's a wonderful life. i mean it. i like life.
>
> You're not convincing anyone....
>
>
well... i meant it when i said it... ~Julia
"you can wear dirty clothes all you want, but sometime you've got to do the
laundry..." -caitlin
Chris Taylor
"Encyclopedia E. Brown" <ferri...@innocent.com> wrote:
>What other band is like that? I'll have to admit... sometimes I find
>myself humming some Ben Folds Five.
i like ben folds five. catchy pop with a piano.
>They're goofy, but they could be good. I haven't met anyone that can
>recommend them, but they're no Weezer.
i like weezer too. :)
>Actually, how can you understand what they're saying? I can never
>understand a single word! They're probably talking about rustproofing
>or something!
i watch a lot of british shows, and like alot of british bands. just
watching, and listening to interviews or whatever, you learn the
'language' of bad british accents...
>On the topic, James broke down and name Morning Glory one of his top ten
>albums of the year... and after how much they made fun of them... I knew
>he couldn't resist...
what a bunch of hypocrites those pumpkins are! :)
chris
np: oasis - i hope, i think, i know
Shoegaze99
Matthew BLB <Bu...@bulbinc.demon.co.uk> writes:
>In article <01bd1472$68fed3c0$313884d0@default>, Ross Robbins
><jo...@bmt.net> spake thusly:
>>Shoegaze99 <shoeg...@aol.com> wrote in article
>><19971229144...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>>
>>> You find me one Oasis song...that's right, just *one*, and The
>>> Beatles song that it corresponds to, and I'll let you go on your
>>> stupid statement.
>>
>>"I am the Walrus" played by oasis sounds remarkably like "I am the Walrus"
>>by the beatles. :)
>>
> Helter Skelter?
Boy, it's a good thing I know better...be careful, Jonathan is going
to take this as gospel and tell all his friends about it.
(actually, he'll just try and troll the Oasis newgroup with this
"new" info. A few days ago he popped in and posted one of the
most original messages I've ever seen. It read "OASIS SUCK"
Wow...good one)
John Mulhausen
On Mon, 29 Dec 1997 08:12:26 -0500, "Encyclopedia E. Brown"
<ferri...@innocent.com> handed us the following:
>Previously on Gilligans Island... John Mulhausen wrote:
>
>> eh. i'm the sort who doesn't listen to a fucking thing salesmen say. i
>> know what i want, i ask the questions, and if they start hustling me,
>> i interrupt them.
>
>Yeah well, it's the intelligent people like you that are making it hard
>for the people like me to make an honest, well almost, living.
>
>-now selling knives
"K, what I basically need is a jagged-edged carving knife. You got
that?"
"yeah, over here."
"Ah, nice. One of these.."
"Y'know, we have th."
"Thanks, just one of these, please."
"Yes, sir."
hey. you got your comission either way, right? ;)
Shoegaze99
jonathan <youa...@flash.net> writes:
>
>stickman22 wrote:
>>
>> Shoegaze99 <shoeg...@aol.com> wrote in article
>> <19971229144...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>> > jonathan <youa...@flash.net> writes:
>> >
>> > >i hate oasis...even geroge harrison of the beatles hates oasis,he has a
>> > >good reason to considering oasis have made three albums of nothing but
>> > >beatles covers...
>> >
>> > Oh wow, if George Harrison hates them, we all should!
>> >
>> > What an incredibly uninformed and stereotypical opinion. If
>> > you knew a damn thing you'd never make the idiotic "Beatles"
>> > statement that Oasis bashers always make. Virtually *nothing*
>> > that they have done has been overly Beatleslike, with the notable
>> > exception of "Whatever," which 95% of people haven't heard anyway.
>> > The only thing Beatleslike about Oasis is that they are British,
>> > and meld pop and rock.
>> >
>> don't forget those crazy mop-top haircuts!
>>
>> > Noel makes references to Beatles lyrics in his songs, and will
>> > occasionally throw in four seconds of a Beatles lick to close
>> > out a song (ala She's Electric) but to say that they have "made
>> > three albums of nothing but beatles covers" is incredibly
>> > stupid and makes me wonder if you have ever actually heard
>> > a Beatles song.
>> >
>> y'know, i completely agree with you on that point, but you know what? my
>> boyfriend just bought "definitely maybe" a couple of weeks ago, which is
>> when i heard it in it's entirety for the first time...there is *one* song
>> on there that i thought was very beatlesque...but i can't remember the
>> name. oh well. i can tell you, it's the most stripped down oasis song i
>> think i've heard. acoustic ditty.
>> anyway, i'll be (possibly) meeting a fellow amsp-er at an oasis show in
>> january <waves hello to john>, so you know, oasis is cool, and all that.
>> yea. wankers, yes. but good songwriters, nevertheless.
>>
>> --shannon--
>
>Oasis suck shit....and they have no respect for anyone,they even hate
>the smashing pumpkins and say that the pumpkins music is shit....
Goodness no! Well if they hate the Smashing Pumkins,
they *must* be bad! Thanks for clearing that matter up
Janiethan...you're not as stupid as I thought you were.
np: SP - Zero (live)
jonathan
Loser329BH
>>Oasis suck shit....and they have no respect for anyone,they even hate
>>the smashing pumpkins and say that the pumpkins music is shit....
>
>they *must* be bad! Thanks for clearing that matter up
>Janiethan...you're not as stupid as I thought you were.
I know... Jienuthaon is right... people should not be allowed to have their own
opinions!
np: Nine Inch Nails - Head Like a Hole (opal)
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jonathan
Shoegaze99 wrote:
>
> Matthew BLB <Bu...@bulbinc.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> >In article <01bd1472$68fed3c0$313884d0@default>, Ross Robbins
> ><jo...@bmt.net> spake thusly:
> >>> Beatles song that it corresponds to, and I'll let you go on your
> >>> stupid statement.
> >>
> >>"I am the Walrus" played by oasis sounds remarkably like "I am the Walrus"
> >>by the beatles. :)
> >>
> > Helter Skelter?
>
> Boy, it's a good thing I know better...be careful, Jonathan is going
> to take this as gospel and tell all his friends about it.
>
> (actually, he'll just try and troll the Oasis newgroup with this
> "new" info. A few days ago he popped in and posted one of the
> most original messages I've ever seen. It read "OASIS SUCK"
> Wow...good one)
>
> The Unofficial Lilys Homepage
> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/2296/index.html
>
> My Bootlist (updated about once a month)
> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/2296/bootlist.html
wow! you saw that?...
jonathan
all i said was oasis suck,...i dont like them, if you do then good for
you...
Matthew BLB
In article <19971230033...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, LunaBloom7
<lunab...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>>
>>In article <19971227042...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, LunaBloom7
>><lunab...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>>>
>>>i like being 15. i could get a job if i liked (or had time, or willpower).
>>
>> Fifteen is good. Seven is better. I liked almost every moment of my
>>life when I was seven, even despite all the problems I had. Or maybe I'm
>>just blocking out my childhood traumas....
>
>it's funny. i seem to of. my parents got divorced when i was six, for example.
>and someone asked me about it once, maybe a year ago, and i said, "no... i
>don't think it bothered me that much. i remember just kind of thinking it made
>sense. it didn't upset me." and my mother gave me this crazy look and said,
>"are you kidding, julia? you cried all the time..." that sort of creeped me
>out.
When I was in year 9, at a new school, (so I would have been ~13),
there was a girl in my Art class called Clare. She looked slightly
familiar, and her name rang a real bell, but I didn't know who she was.
I sort of said 'Do I know you?', and she looked really pissed and said
something like, 'you should, we went to the same school together'.
Was flicking through some photographs of my (I *think*) eighth birthday
party a while ago, and there she was. I asked my mum about her, and it
seems she was one of my best friends. Buggered if I can remember her....
> i don't like to think i completely forgot how i felt, because then if
>someone else was feeling that way, i might not be able to relate, i'd have lost
>some empathy and that would just be so sad.
Yeah, being able to relate to other people has got to be one of the
most vital things we do. That's why we're here, when you think about it.
(Not in a cosmic sense... I mean the music. We *should* be in AMSP
because of SP, which is about music. It's a way of relating, I think.
And so we do. And we discuss it. Which is another. And we discuss lots
of other things, but that's a whole different wok of chinese. Or kettle
of fish, even.)
But I don't think you're in any danger of losing your 'human touch'.
Some problems are just too big for a six year old to contemplate, I
guess.
>
>you beat me to it. i guess i'm astute now. :)
Thankyou for attending. Here is your certificate.
>how old are you now?
Eighteen. Chronologically, at least...
>>
>> I was always good at everything until it mattered.
>
>i'm good at things that i really feel *don't* matter. like, i'm good at art.
>i'm the best damn artist in all my classes (they're all academic this year.
>Algebra two, Biology, Latin, French, American Culture,
[I see you have *some* free periods, then...]
> my right brain is
>constantly nauseous). the teachers have me get up and illustrate on the board
>for their classes. where the fuck does it get me? i'm not diciplined enough to
>draw something useful (so much for advirtising), my sense of humor leans
>dramatically towards in-jokes and esoteric allusions that *nobody* gets but me
>(so much for greeting cards), and i don't like to draw someone else's
>characters (so much for illustration). this is my best talent, and i don't
>think i can do anything with it.
Well, just have fun for now then I suppose. That's what I do with my
writing. I mean, I'm trying to sell work as well, but there are so many
people in writing for the 'easy' money, that it can seem like one big
competition. I don't make my work unsalable, but I certainly don't try
to cater to anyones tastes but my own. If there's only a one in a
million chance that I'm going to make the 'big time', there might as
well be a one in two million chance that I'll hit it with something
*good*...
Practise will only make you better. Or just more twisted. Either way,
it'll be fun for someone....
>
>i used to get really good grades, untill one day i showed an assignment to my
>mom and pointed out how stupid it was (sixth grade, i think.). she said, "they
>know you're smart, julia. it's busywork. you have to learn to jump through the
>school system's hoops." and i can't take homework seriously now. (how
>sickeningly steryotypical... but i mean it.)
I stopped doing all my homework in year 13. It was a bad idea. I *was*
a straight A student. Hehe. Sometimes even higher. But then I got bored,
and stopped. Not a good idea, when you reach your A-levels. Still, I
didn't actually *fail* any of them...
>
>> Nevermind, Julia.
>>You're intelligent enough, and a damned sight more educated in the ways
>>of the world than I ever was.
>
>what does that mean...?
Well... You seem to know exactly how the real world works. I just knew
the mechanics of it when I was fifteen. You know what I mean?
Like how the basics of the world work, but not how people's feelings
fitted into it, if you see? Your insights into the world fit in with
things that I'm only just beginning to realise, three years on from you.
>
>> Although I could draw at least one
>>striking parallel between us both age 15.
>>
>
>and this...? i'd love for you to elaborate...
Well, apart from some obvious character similarities, such as
intelligence, artistic thoughts, and a twisted sense of humour (Ok, so
I'm blowing my own trumpet, sue me...), I was thinking about your moods
and your long term slightly one-sided relationship with someone who
doesn't know you exist. I did that, and although there are times that I
can look back at, and find funny, all in all it was a bad time for me. I
was *so* naive. But.. I don't know about how things are for you.
Probably different.
Just don't get obsessive like my copycat nemesis, Ian C. Now *there*
was a fruitcake.....
By moods, I mean the lows, that you attribute to adolescent hormonal
imbalance. Could be. But not every teenager contemplates suicide.
Don't ever do it, Julia. If you ever feel that way, remind yourself of
Today. You know? You're not *allowed* to kill yourself unless it's the
greatest day you've ever known, or you're being unfair to everyone,
*especially* yourself. The way you can look back on suicidal episodes in
an enlightened manner shows that it's not an option for the greater part
of ~Julia. Don't let your negative moods drag you down. You're ~Julia,
and you shouldn't let '-Julia' do your thinking...
>
>> (Apart from stupid angst. We all go through that. The best teenagers do
>>it *quietly*.)
>>
>
>i cry a lot. that's not quietly...
Well, nobody's perfect. At least you don't write poetry and insist we
read it.
'The sharp shadows of an innocent mind, are blurred by the cruel hands
of nature', etc.
>>>
>>>yes, sir. it's a wonderful life. i mean it. i like life.
>>
>> You're not convincing anyone....
>
>well... i meant it when i said it...
You're not even convincing yourself.....
LunaBloom7
>In article <19971230033...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, LunaBloom7
><lunab...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>>>
>>>In article <19971227042...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, LunaBloom7
>>><lunab...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>
>there was a girl in my Art class called Clare. She looked slightly
>familiar, and her name rang a real bell, but I didn't know who she was.
>I sort of said 'Do I know you?', and she looked really pissed and said
>something like, 'you should, we went to the same school together'.
> Was flicking through some photographs of my (I *think*) eighth birthday
>party a while ago, and there she was. I asked my mum about her, and it
>seems she was one of my best friends. Buggered if I can remember her....
>
i found a picture of Chris in my photo album. go me.
i guess i remember people from when i was little... like, my best friend in
preschool, a kid named Misha. he was a rowdy imagnative little kid (like me),
we did stuff like compose this ongoing opera on the piano (it was called The
Rose Killer - quite dramatic), or make up Superhero Alteregos, or form a
satanic cult and make poisons out of dandilions under the back stairs. we ate a
lot of macaroni and cheese, too. i remember. so kids get older and when he hit
a certain age he was embarassed to talk to me. we went to different schools,
and i didn't see him for several years. now he's in my gym class... and tries
to talk to me. but it's funny. he's just like he was when he was five - he's
just so.. i don't know. young. when i was four i didn't care.
>> i don't like to think i completely forgot how i felt, because then if
>>someone else was feeling that way, i might not be able to relate, i'd have
>lost
>>some empathy and that would just be so sad.
>
> Yeah, being able to relate to other people has got to be one of the
>most vital things we do. That's why we're here, when you think about it.
>(Not in a cosmic sense... I mean the music. We *should* be in AMSP
>because of SP, which is about music. It's a way of relating, I think.
>And so we do. And we discuss it. Which is another. And we discuss lots
>of other things, but that's a whole different wok of chinese. Or kettle
>of fish, even.)
it's sort of funny how we have this one common interest that brought everyone
here together, and it turns out to be all these like-minded people. most of us
seem to like Woody Allen, and Radiohead...
> But I don't think you're in any danger of losing your 'human touch'.
>Some problems are just too big for a six year old to contemplate, I
>guess.
>
it seems so strange that i wouldn't remember...
>>
>>you beat me to it. i guess i'm astute now. :)
>
> Thankyou for attending. Here is your certificate.
>
yea! go me! ::waves certificate::
>>how old are you now?
>
> Eighteen. Chronologically, at least...
>
and what's your sign...? :)
>>>
>>> I was always good at everything until it mattered.
>>
>>i'm good at things that i really feel *don't* matter. like, i'm good at art.
>>i'm the best damn artist in all my classes (they're all academic this year.
>>Algebra two, Biology, Latin, French, American Culture,
>
> [I see you have *some* free periods, then...]
>
i don't.
not one.
block sched. works like this --
odd day.
1- Algebra
3- Biology
5- Health/Fitness
7- French 3
even day
2- American Culture
4- Latin 1
6- English
8- Tide Pd. (when clubs meet. i'm in three.)
that's a full day, my friend.
>> my right brain is
>>constantly nauseous). the teachers have me get up and illustrate on the
>board
>>for their classes. where the fuck does it get me? i'm not diciplined enough
>to
>>draw something useful (so much for advirtising), my sense of humor leans
>>dramatically towards in-jokes and esoteric allusions that *nobody* gets but
>me
>>(so much for greeting cards), and i don't like to draw someone else's
>>characters (so much for illustration). this is my best talent, and i don't
>>think i can do anything with it.
>
> Well, just have fun for now then I suppose. That's what I do with my
>writing. I mean, I'm trying to sell work as well, but there are so many
>people in writing for the 'easy' money, that it can seem like one big
>competition. I don't make my work unsalable, but I certainly don't try
>to cater to anyones tastes but my own.
after all, if you did... your work would probably just suck. you can't really
make yourself do what you don't want to. (what was that thing from Robin Hood
about mercenaries and people defending their homes and stuff...?)
> If there's only a one in a
>million chance that I'm going to make the 'big time', there might as
>well be a one in two million chance that I'll hit it with something
>*good*...
> Practise will only make you better. Or just more twisted. Either way,
>it'll be fun for someone....
it's fun for the people i draw cartoons of. like the one where my english
teacher gets kidnapped by the spice girls. my friend allison and Keith Flint
discover him, and they call me and Billy Corgan down to make fun of it all.
(allison and i are laughing. the spice girls are singing. billy turns to keith
and says, "sadist." "huh?" "this is sick." "oh. uh, yeah.") then billy says
"hey look, there's Hanson!" the spice girls go running. we untie Mr. Landau.
but just as we're leaving, Fiona Apple's voice comes drifting through the
window. it appears in the April Issue of Tin Parachute (which also features
lots of Latin. there's a latin crossword puzzle. on the cover Stacy and I are
wearing togas. i say "go away, you annoying servants!" and stacy says, "be
careful, sextus! don't put on that mini-skirt!")
>>
>>i used to get really good grades, untill one day i showed an assignment to
>my
>>mom and pointed out how stupid it was (sixth grade, i think.). she said,
>"they
>>know you're smart, julia. it's busywork. you have to learn to jump through
>the
>>school system's hoops." and i can't take homework seriously now. (how
>>sickeningly steryotypical... but i mean it.)
>
> I stopped doing all my homework in year 13. It was a bad idea. I *was*
>a straight A student. Hehe. Sometimes even higher. But then I got bored,
>and stopped. Not a good idea, when you reach your A-levels. Still, I
>didn't actually *fail* any of them...
>
what does it matter, if i'm going to make a living off my art...? at least,
that's what i tell myself...
>>
>>> Nevermind, Julia.
>>>You're intelligent enough, and a damned sight more educated in the ways
>>>of the world than I ever was.
>>
>>what does that mean...?
>
> Well... You seem to know exactly how the real world works. I just knew
>the mechanics of it when I was fifteen. You know what I mean?
hmm... yeah.
> Like how the basics of the world work, but not how people's feelings
>fitted into it, if you see? Your insights into the world fit in with
>things that I'm only just beginning to realise, three years on from you.
my therapist called that "emotionally mature". a dubious title, really. the way
you say it sounds nicer... :)
>>
>>> Although I could draw at least one
>>>striking parallel between us both age 15.
>>>
>>
>>and this...? i'd love for you to elaborate...
>
> Well, apart from some obvious character similarities, such as
>intelligence, artistic thoughts, and a twisted sense of humour (Ok, so
>I'm blowing my own trumpet, sue me...), I was thinking about your moods
>and your long term slightly one-sided relationship with someone who
>doesn't know you exist. I did that, and although there are times that I
>can look back at, and find funny, all in all it was a bad time for me. I
>was *so* naive. But.. I don't know about how things are for you.
>Probably different.
he knows i exist, dammit! he DOES! he passed me the MARKERS!
(errgh....)
it's really so stupid.. because i know it's stupid. and i can't take myself
seriously. i feel like a girl in a television show. she walks down the hall in
the opening scene. there's her best friend, she gives her a hug, there's the
goofy friend she has an in-joke with, "gorge the VP!", another, "freakin'
geode! yeah, you!" there's the boy she's lusting after, <swoon> etc. typical. i
don't like it, but i can't change it.
> Just don't get obsessive like my copycat nemesis, Ian C. Now *there*
>was a fruitcake.....
>
excuse me...?
> By moods, I mean the lows, that you attribute to adolescent hormonal
>imbalance. Could be. But not every teenager contemplates suicide.
> Don't ever do it, Julia. If you ever feel that way, remind yourself of
>Today. You know? You're not *allowed* to kill yourself unless it's the
>greatest day you've ever known, or you're being unfair to everyone,
>*especially* yourself.
sometimes it feels like the worst day, though, y'know? you feel like it's all
so much clearer. like you're seeing the way things really are, you've stopped
smiling for a second, and started thinking, and you realize that all this time
you've wasted trying to do something right seems to have just made things
worse... oh well...
that's the best advice i've gotten in a long time.
> The way you can look back on suicidal episodes in
>an enlightened manner shows that it's not an option for the greater part
>of ~Julia. Don't let your negative moods drag you down. You're ~Julia,
>and you shouldn't let '-Julia' do your thinking...
>
swish!julia... says quite a lot, really.
>>
>>> (Apart from stupid angst. We all go through that. The best teenagers do
>>>it *quietly*.)
>>>
>>
>>i cry a lot. that's not quietly...
>
>
> Well, nobody's perfect. At least you don't write poetry and insist we
>read it.
i make my bandmates read it.
no wait... they're the ones who make me re-read it.
>
> 'The sharp shadows of an innocent mind, are blurred by the cruel hands
>of nature', etc.
>
i'd like to think it's not that ... dramatic.
>>>>
>>>>yes, sir. it's a wonderful life. i mean it. i like life.
>>>
>>> You're not convincing anyone....
>>
>>well... i meant it when i said it...
>
> You're not even convincing yourself.....
>
but.. but... i'm sure i did... life gives me a headache. but i just bought a
new guitar... so it's all good... ("that's about it for my bank account." "it's
okay. now you can work your way through college.") ~Julia
"don't dream it, be it..."
Matthew BLB
In article <19980103014...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, LunaBloom7
<lunab...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>
>it's sort of funny how we have this one common interest that brought everyone
>here together, and it turns out to be all these like-minded people. most of us
>seem to like Woody Allen, and Radiohead...
You've got that bang on. We *are* diverse, but the similarities between
us are also shocking. The tastes we share... it's amazing. And all of
the prominent posters are so, well, intelligent....
>
>> But I don't think you're in any danger of losing your 'human touch'.
>>Some problems are just too big for a six year old to contemplate, I
>>guess.
>>
>
>it seems so strange that i wouldn't remember...
Well, it's probably a blocking mechanism. Like the way that I can't
even remember the way I used to be... Oh... Oh no. Please... No.... No
more...
>
>>>how old are you now?
>>
>> Eighteen. Chronologically, at least...
>>
>
>and what's your sign...? :)
Humped back bridge. Haha. Good old Jasper Carrott. Er.. I'm a Cancer,
but I didn't go out of my way to find out. I am astrologically agnostic.
>
>>>>
>>>> I was always good at everything until it mattered.
>>>
>>>i'm good at things that i really feel *don't* matter. like, i'm good at art.
>>>i'm the best damn artist in all my classes (they're all academic this year.
>>>Algebra two, Biology, Latin, French, American Culture,
>>
>> [I see you have *some* free periods, then...]
>>
>
>i don't.
>not one.
No.. you see, I was talking about American Culture. It was just a gag.
Oh boy. I feel so low, now.
>> Well, just have fun for now then I suppose. That's what I do with my
>>writing. I mean, I'm trying to sell work as well, but there are so many
>>people in writing for the 'easy' money, that it can seem like one big
>>competition. I don't make my work unsalable, but I certainly don't try
>>to cater to anyones tastes but my own.
>
>after all, if you did... your work would probably just suck.
Why thankyou. I take that as the greatest of compliments. You are, of
course, correct.
The way Bill Hicks talked about marketing... That's sort of the way I
feel. He would have loved the Spice Girls. I doubt words could have
expressed his contempt for the way that people with or without talent
are 'sold'. But I'm digressing bigtime.
> you can't really
>make yourself do what you don't want to.
I learned that during my A-levels.
> (what was that thing from Robin Hood
>about mercenaries and people defending their homes and stuff...?)
Um...
>> Practise will only make you better. Or just more twisted. Either way,
>>it'll be fun for someone....
>
>it's fun for the people i draw cartoons of. like the one where my english
>teacher gets kidnapped by the spice girls. my friend allison and Keith Flint
>discover him, and they call me and Billy Corgan down to make fun of it all.
>(allison and i are laughing. the spice girls are singing. billy turns to keith
>and says, "sadist." "huh?" "this is sick." "oh. uh, yeah.") then billy says
>"hey look, there's Hanson!" the spice girls go running. we untie Mr. Landau.
>but just as we're leaving, Fiona Apple's voice comes drifting through the
>window. it appears in the April Issue of Tin Parachute (which also features
>lots of Latin. there's a latin crossword puzzle. on the cover Stacy and I are
>wearing togas. i say "go away, you annoying servants!" and stacy says, "be
>careful, sextus! don't put on that mini-skirt!")
Ok... That's almost scary. And quite twisted enough for now, I think.
>> I stopped doing all my homework in year 13. It was a bad idea. I *was*
>>a straight A student. Hehe. Sometimes even higher. But then I got bored,
>>and stopped. Not a good idea, when you reach your A-levels. Still, I
>>didn't actually *fail* any of them...
>>
>
>what does it matter, if i'm going to make a living off my art...? at least,
>that's what i tell myself...
You need a back-up plan. Personally, I'll believe you if you tell me
that you're certain you're going to make it as an artist. But you need
something behind you -some qualifications, some security- so that you
don't lose hope, and to keep you going until something comes along.
Nobody makes it overnight.
Also, and I don't want to preach, never think you know it all. Never
think that your specific form of art is complete with no need of
external influence. Look to what other people have done before you, even
if you're going to be completely original. I only say something so
patronising because it's *so* easy to do. I've done it.
Go on as many courses as possible, even if they seem trivial, because
they will add up on your cv, and people will notice them. Stop dreaming
about being an artist, and start doing things that will get you a job.
There's so much *work* you have to have done before people will take you
seriously. (Something which isn't going to happen until you're a *lot*
older whatever happens. Way of the world.) But what the hell. The 'work'
is fun, right? Challenge yourself, all the time.
>
>> Like how the basics of the world work, but not how people's feelings
>>fitted into it, if you see? Your insights into the world fit in with
>>things that I'm only just beginning to realise, three years on from you.
>
>my therapist called that "emotionally mature". a dubious title, really. the way
>you say it sounds nicer... :)
Aww. Thanks. Nuther piece of (probably unwanted) advice. Don't lose
your headstart.
>I was thinking about your moods
>>and your long term slightly one-sided relationship with someone who
>>doesn't know you exist. I did that, and although there are times that I
>>can look back at, and find funny, all in all it was a bad time for me. I
>>was *so* naive. But.. I don't know about how things are for you.
>>Probably different.
>
>he knows i exist, dammit! he DOES! he passed me the MARKERS!
>(errgh....)
>it's really so stupid.. because i know it's stupid. and i can't take myself
>seriously. i feel like a girl in a television show. she walks down the hall in
>the opening scene. there's her best friend, she gives her a hug, there's the
>goofy friend she has an in-joke with, "gorge the VP!", another, "freakin'
>geode! yeah, you!" there's the boy she's lusting after, <swoon> etc. typical. i
>don't like it, but i can't change it.
It's *definately* something that you have to work out the answer to
yourself. It's like a freaking rubiks cube, but there you go.
>
>> Just don't get obsessive like my copycat nemesis, Ian C. Now *there*
>>was a fruitcake.....
>>
>
>excuse me...?
Boy, the stories I could tell you. Honestly, sometimes I love my life.
It's like a constant lesson in irony. You know that special *real* sort
of irony, that hasn't been overused by every tv show and marketing
division on the planet.
Ian Calloway took my place in life. It's just... freaky. He copied
me... no.. that's the wrong expression. He followed in my path,
completely for two years. Completely accidental. He had no knowledge of
it. I might not have influenced him one iota. All I know, is that he
became over a period of time *exactly* what I had been. It was like
watching an old home movie of myself. Sometimes I knew exactly what he
was going to do next. I never liked him. I think that says something
about myself.
>sometimes it feels like the worst day, though, y'know? you feel like it's all
>so much clearer. like you're seeing the way things really are, you've stopped
>smiling for a second, and started thinking, and you realize that all this time
>you've wasted trying to do something right seems to have just made things
>worse... oh well...
I know exactly what you mean. I've been on the verge of that rut for
the last four or five days, everything seems so pointless. But I won't
bother you with any of it. I think that's why I've not been posting much
lately.
>> Well, nobody's perfect. At least you don't write poetry and insist we
>>read it.
>
>i make my bandmates read it.
>no wait... they're the ones who make me re-read it.
Poetic Justice. I like it.
>>>>>
>>>>>yes, sir. it's a wonderful life. i mean it. i like life.
>>>>
>>>> You're not convincing anyone....
>>>
>>>well... i meant it when i said it...
>>
>> You're not even convincing yourself.....
>>
>
>but.. but... i'm sure i did... life gives me a headache.
And releases power endorphins.
> but i just bought a
>new guitar... so it's all good...
What type, how much, is it nice, what's the verdict after a week of
playing it?
>
>"don't dream it, be it..."
It's been '53' week, for me. Everywhere I look, I see '53' plastered.
If I look at a clock, it's been xx:53. Through *sheer* coincidence,
three times this week, it has been 10:53. Which is even more strange,
'cos that was my old Squadron number from my strange days in the cadets.
I just watched the 1996 Herbie/Love bug remake. Good old Bruce Campbell,
was my reasoning behind it. ('This, is my *boomstick!', etc). I never
realised that herbie was 53! Hurrah for coincidences. After all, they
probably don't exist.
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Chris Taylor
Matthew BLB <Bu...@bulbinc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> You've got that bang on. We *are* diverse, but the similarities between
>us are also shocking. The tastes we share... it's amazing. And all of
>the prominent posters are so, well, intelligent....
'cept for me. and maybe mark...
chris
np: radiohead - planet telex
LunaBloom7
>
>In article <19980103014...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, LunaBloom7
><lunab...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>>
>>it's sort of funny how we have this one common interest that brought
>everyone
>>here together, and it turns out to be all these like-minded people. most of
>us
>>seem to like Woody Allen, and Radiohead...
>
> You've got that bang on. We *are* diverse, but the similarities between
>us are also shocking. The tastes we share... it's amazing. And all of
>the prominent posters are so, well, intelligent....
<shines fingernails on shirt>
yeah, well...
it probably has something to do with natural selection. if you can't hold your
own in the newsgroup, you don't become a prominent poster. that simple.
>>
>>> But I don't think you're in any danger of losing your 'human touch'.
>>>Some problems are just too big for a six year old to contemplate, I
>>>guess.
>>>
>>
>>it seems so strange that i wouldn't remember...
>
> Well, it's probably a blocking mechanism. Like the way that I can't
>even remember the way I used to be... Oh... Oh no. Please... No.... No
>more...
heh heh heh... this reminds me of a vague shread of memory, which holds on it
the image of some poor hero strapped to a chair and forced to relive certain
painful parts of his life. when i was about four i used to get up really early
in the morning and watch television. funny stuff they have on whilst it's still
dark.
>>
>>>>how old are you now?
>>>
>>> Eighteen. Chronologically, at least...
>>>
>>
>>and what's your sign...? :)
>
> Humped back bridge. Haha. Good old Jasper Carrott.
damn elitist snot. what are you talking about? i swear you make allusions just
so i'll ask about them. or is this a call for recognition, are you hoping
someone who knows what you're talking about will answer and make you feel
clever?
>Er.. I'm a Cancer,
troy is a cancer too. neener, neener.
>but I didn't go out of my way to find out. I am astrologically >agnostic.
snob. trying to save face?
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was always good at everything until it mattered.
>>>>
>>>>i'm good at things that i really feel *don't* matter. like, i'm good at
>art.
>>>>i'm the best damn artist in all my classes (they're all academic this
>year.
>>>>Algebra two, Biology, Latin, French, American Culture,
>>>
>>> [I see you have *some* free periods, then...]
>
>>>
>>
>>i don't.
>>not one.
>
> No.. you see, I was talking about American Culture. It was just a gag.
>Oh boy. I feel so low, now.
>
unfortunately, American Culture is in no way a study of our culture (which,
among other things, would have to be objective. i don't think my teacher can do
that.) and is really a history course with a fun-sounding name.
that was low, but not bad, really... i mean, it's true. we're kidding ourselves
if we try to think we have enough culture to base a semester long class
around...
too bad the class is so much work.
> The way Bill Hicks talked about marketing... That's sort of the way I
>feel. He would have loved the Spice Girls. I doubt words could have
>expressed his contempt for the way that people with or without talent
>are 'sold'. But I'm digressing bigtime.
>
but it's hard to tell who has talent, really. at least, it is for me.
>>> Practise will only make you better. Or just more twisted. Either way,
>>>it'll be fun for someone....
>>
>>it's fun for the people i draw cartoons of. like the one where my english
>>teacher gets kidnapped by the spice girls. my friend allison and Keith Flint
>>discover him, and they call me and Billy Corgan down to make fun of it all.
>>(allison and i are laughing. the spice girls are singing. billy turns to
>keith
>>and says, "sadist." "huh?" "this is sick." "oh. uh, yeah.") then billy says
>>"hey look, there's Hanson!" the spice girls go running. we untie Mr. Landau.
>>but just as we're leaving, Fiona Apple's voice comes drifting through the
>>window. it appears in the April Issue of Tin Parachute (which also features
>>lots of Latin. there's a latin crossword puzzle. on the cover Stacy and I
>are
>>wearing togas. i say "go away, you annoying servants!" and stacy says, "be
>>careful, sextus! don't put on that mini-skirt!")
>
> Ok... That's almost scary. And quite twisted enough for now, I think.
>
damn. you're going to hate me.
yesterday at rehearsal -
mr. mativier: does anybody have some random thoughts?
paul: i just want to say this play is coming together really well.
jenn: it's wonderful to work with such talented people.
caitlin: we finally got the wedding scene down! that went really well today...
julia: my friend kenny said today, "just leave me alone. i'm only a cancerous
rock." oh, and by the way, that music in the background is Siamese Dream - it's
one of my favorite albums.
allison: i liked how tevye and lazar wolfe did that little dance. the bar scene
was really funny.
story of my life.
>>> I stopped doing all my homework in year 13. It was a bad idea. I *was*
>>>a straight A student. Hehe. Sometimes even higher. But then I got bored,
>>>and stopped. Not a good idea, when you reach your A-levels. Still, I
>>>didn't actually *fail* any of them...
>>>
>>
>>what does it matter, if i'm going to make a living off my art...? at least,
>>that's what i tell myself...
>
> You need a back-up plan. Personally, I'll believe you if you tell me
>that you're certain you're going to make it as an artist. But you need
>something behind you -some qualifications, some security- so that you
>don't lose hope, and to keep you going until something comes along.
>Nobody makes it overnight.
it's something. i mean, i could whine the same way about anything. if i was
good at math, say, or technology, or history, or foreign languages. who makes a
living at those? and who wants to "make it" as an artist? rock stars? say i
belonged to the League of New Hampshire Crafts, sold, like, leather purses or
handwoven scarves or woodcut prints. and every few years one of these things
becomes popular for a new hampshire woman to own. so that's something. but it
doesn't matter, because chances are i'll fall into something. suppose i end up
teaching Egyptian at the Community Center? it's something. who knows.
> Also, and I don't want to preach, never think you know it all. Never
>think that your specific form of art is complete with no need of
>external influence. Look to what other people have done before you, even
>if you're going to be completely original.
we do this. even if we didn't want to, it cannot be helped. zip.
>I only say something so
>patronising because it's *so* easy to do. I've done it.
> Go on as many courses as possible, even if they seem trivial, because
>they will add up on your cv, and people will notice them. Stop dreaming
>about being an artist, and start doing things that will get you a job.
this also is in process. :)
>There's so much *work* you have to have done before people will take you
>seriously. (Something which isn't going to happen until you're a *lot*
>older whatever happens. Way of the world.) But what the hell. The 'work'
>is fun, right? Challenge yourself, all the time.
>
and this.
>>
>>> Like how the basics of the world work, but not how people's feelings
>>>fitted into it, if you see? Your insights into the world fit in with
>>>things that I'm only just beginning to realise, three years on from you.
>>
>>my therapist called that "emotionally mature". a dubious title, really. the
>way
>>you say it sounds nicer... :)
>
> Aww. Thanks. Nuther piece of (probably unwanted) advice. Don't lose
>your headstart.
>
i'm scared of that. like, in fifth grade, i had a twelth grade reading level.
neener neener, kids. but in tenth grade, what's that? it doesn't make a
difference, because there isn't much written at, like an eighteenth grade level
that's not technically specific. so who cares if i read Jane Eyre or Great
Expectations in grade school? what difference does it make to anything?
but that's an intellectual headstart. i knew i'd get caught up to one day,
because there's only so far you can go. it isn't the same as feeling things
grown-ups feel, because if you can continue to grow emotionally, that will
serve you. you don't need it to interact with people, to get what you want, the
way you do with a reading level. you need a reading level to get yourself a
better education, access to better books, get into a better college, to make
more money. you need emotional maturity to help you yourself, to understand
what's going on around you, internalize it and keep yourself in order.
>>I was thinking about your moods
>>>and your long term slightly one-sided relationship with someone who
>>>doesn't know you exist. I did that, and although there are times that I
>>>can look back at, and find funny, all in all it was a bad time for me. I
>>>was *so* naive. But.. I don't know about how things are for you.
>>>Probably different.
>>
>>he knows i exist, dammit! he DOES! he passed me the MARKERS!
>>(errgh....)
>>it's really so stupid.. because i know it's stupid. and i can't take myself
>>seriously. i feel like a girl in a television show. she walks down the hall
>in
>>the opening scene. there's her best friend, she gives her a hug, there's the
>>goofy friend she has an in-joke with, "gorge the VP!", another, "freakin'
>>geode! yeah, you!" there's the boy she's lusting after, <swoon> etc.
>typical. i
>>don't like it, but i can't change it.
>
> It's *definately* something that you have to work out the answer to
>yourself. It's like a freaking rubiks cube, but there you go.
fine. be that way. i hate rubiks cubes. i hate having to trust my own
abilities.
>>
>>> Just don't get obsessive like my copycat nemesis, Ian C. Now *there*
>>>was a fruitcake.....
>>>
>>
>>excuse me...?
>
> Boy, the stories I could tell you. Honestly, sometimes I love my life.
>It's like a constant lesson in irony. You know that special *real* sort
>of irony, that hasn't been overused by every tv show and marketing
>division on the planet.
> Ian Calloway took my place in life. It's just... freaky. He copied
>me... no.. that's the wrong expression. He followed in my path,
>completely for two years. Completely accidental. He had no knowledge of
>it. I might not have influenced him one iota. All I know, is that he
>became over a period of time *exactly* what I had been. It was like
>watching an old home movie of myself. Sometimes I knew exactly what he
>was going to do next. I never liked him. I think that says something
>about myself.
>
but now you've grown. and hopefully ten years from now you'll say "i like who i
was when i was eighteen."
i like who i am now.
i just don't like everying she does. or everything she has to do, or can't do.
>>sometimes it feels like the worst day, though, y'know? you feel like it's
>all
>>so much clearer. like you're seeing the way things really are, you've
>stopped
>>smiling for a second, and started thinking, and you realize that all this
>time
>>you've wasted trying to do something right seems to have just made things
>>worse... oh well...
>
> I know exactly what you mean. I've been on the verge of that rut for
>the last four or five days, everything seems so pointless. But I won't
>bother you with any of it. I think that's why I've not been posting much
>lately.
>
really? me too... no more self-destruction stories, though. gets me into
trouble. (yeah, adam, sit back in your goddamn chair and feel powerful... if
you want it, i guess you deserve it. don't make me do the time warp at you.)
suffice it to say i might not be alive now if it were'nt for latin homework...
>
>>> Well, nobody's perfect. At least you don't write poetry and insist we
>>>read it.
>>
>>i make my bandmates read it.
>>no wait... they're the ones who make me re-read it.
>
> Poetic Justice. I like it.
>
<sigh>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>yes, sir. it's a wonderful life. i mean it. i like life.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're not convincing anyone....
>>>>
>>>>well... i meant it when i said it...
>>>
>>> You're not even convincing yourself.....
>>>
>>
>>but.. but... i'm sure i did... life gives me a headache.
>
> And releases power endorphins.
>
<hercules pose>
I Am A Strong And Important Person.
(yeah.)
>> but i just bought a
>>new guitar... so it's all good...
>
> What type, how much, is it nice, what's the verdict after a week of
>playing it?
>
yamaha pacifica, $150, it's quite nice, and after a week of playing it we've
become good friends... but there's so much to learn that it's hard to say.
>>
>>"don't dream it, be it..."
>
> It's been '53' week, for me. Everywhere I look, I see '53' plastered.
>If I look at a clock, it's been xx:53. Through *sheer* coincidence,
>three times this week, it has been 10:53. Which is even more strange,
>'cos that was my old Squadron number from my strange days in the cadets.
>I just watched the 1996 Herbie/Love bug remake. Good old Bruce Campbell,
>was my reasoning behind it. ('This, is my *boomstick!', etc). I never
>realised that herbie was 53! Hurrah for coincidences. After all, they
>probably don't exist.
>--
add one. base thirteen! ~Julia
"it's not easy to have a good time. even smiling makes my face ache." - dr.
furter
subu...@freenet.edmonton.ab.ca
LunaBloom7 (lunab...@aol.com) wrote:
: troy is a cancer too. neener, neener.
Heh. I read this statement without reading some above conversation, and
laughed. Hard. Then I realized that they were talking about astrological
signs, and, well, it still made sense. hmmm...
Mike Starboy
np:TEITBITE Remix (Meloncholy and the Infinite Sadness remix)
Matthew BLB
In article <19980113035...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, LunaBloom7
<lunab...@aol.com> spake thusly:
>>>
>>>and what's your sign...? :)
>>
>> Humped back bridge. Haha. Good old Jasper Carrott.
>
>damn elitist snot. what are you talking about?
English Standup comic. Hasn't done anything for TV recently apart from
a sitcom, but the man is funny. Real funny.
>i swear you make allusions just
>so i'll ask about them. or is this a call for recognition, are you hoping
>someone who knows what you're talking about will answer and make you feel
>clever?
Nope. It's just a cry for attention. Plus, I wanted to use the humped
back bridge line, and didn't feel comfortable ripping ol' Jasper off.
Had to let it slip somehow that it wasn't *my* gag...
>
>>Er.. I'm a Cancer,
>
>troy is a cancer too. neener, neener.
Mmm. Which goes to show...
>
>>but I didn't go out of my way to find out. I am astrologically >agnostic.
>
>snob. trying to save face?
Nope. Just don't care whether the movements of the moon, Saturn, or
Bill Gate's bowels can tell my future. I'm livin' it, me.
>
>it's something. i mean, i could whine the same way about anything. if i was
>good at math, say, or technology, or history, or foreign languages. who makes a
>living at those? and who wants to "make it" as an artist?
Me.
> rock stars?
Oh yeah. And them. Stuff credibility.
>
>> Also, and I don't want to preach, never think you know it all. Never
>>think that your specific form of art is complete with no need of
>>external influence. Look to what other people have done before you, even
>>if you're going to be completely original.
>
>we do this. even if we didn't want to, it cannot be helped. zip.
Yes, to an extent. But you'll find that most of the very best artists
have first actively studied their art, before developing their own
style. And it's something you should do. Don't be passive about art, if
you are, it's not art.
>Challenge yourself, all the time.
>>
>
>and this.
You're way ahead of me.
>
>> Aww. Thanks. Nuther piece of (probably unwanted) advice. Don't lose
>>your headstart.
>>
>
>i'm scared of that. like, in fifth grade, i had a twelth grade reading level.
>neener neener, kids. but in tenth grade, what's that? it doesn't make a
>difference, because there isn't much written at, like an eighteenth grade level
>that's not technically specific. so who cares if i read Jane Eyre or Great
>Expectations in grade school? what difference does it make to anything?
I know how you feel. It happened to Mozart, if I remember correctly. He
was just 'one of' the best by the time he died. He started off being
pretty much the greatest ever....
I could read novels when I was six. Where am I now? Reading novels of
pretty much the same standard, half the time. Also, when I didn't have
to specialise as a child I could learn everything superfast.
Now everything I study is so in depth, I have to work at it, just like
anyone else. When I was three, I could read, for all intents and
purposes. How far have I come since then? Stuck in a shite school for
years, being taught at the same speed as everyone else. Now I have to
choose what I want to be special at...
It's hard to say what I'm trying to say, without making myself look like
a completely self centered individual. But maybe I am. When I was young,
I was special. Now I'm not, in most ways.
>but that's an intellectual headstart. i knew i'd get caught up to one day,
>because there's only so far you can go. it isn't the same as feeling things
>grown-ups feel, because if you can continue to grow emotionally, that will
>serve you. you don't need it to interact with people, to get what you want, the
>way you do with a reading level. you need a reading level to get yourself a
>better education, access to better books, get into a better college, to make
>more money. you need emotional maturity to help you yourself, to understand
>what's going on around you, internalize it and keep yourself in order.
Damn.
>> It's *definately* something that you have to work out the answer to
>>yourself. It's like a freaking rubiks cube, but there you go.
>
>fine. be that way. i hate rubiks cubes. i hate having to trust my own
>abilities.
What can I tell you? My story didn't have a happy ending. In fact, it
makes Romeo and Juliet look like Winnie the Pooh.
Because I wasn't the hero, and it's *my* story. That's why it's so
depressing.
>
>
>but now you've grown. and hopefully ten years from now you'll say "i like who i
>was when i was eighteen."
No. I don't think so. But at least I'm determined to like myself when
I'm nineteen. One day, I'll tell you all the whole Ian/Katie/BLB and
Mark/Andrew story. And I'll include the Kate/Bob/Butty bit as well. It's
such a tale. I just can't be bothered to write it. It's a long story.
Very long. The John bit's strange. But I'll tell it anyway, because it's
the radiohead bit.
Now *that's* Elitist.
>
>i like who i am now.
So do most people, so you've got to be doing something right.
>
>really? me too... no more self-destruction stories, though. gets me into
>trouble. (yeah, adam, sit back in your goddamn chair and feel powerful... if
>you want it, i guess you deserve it. don't make me do the time warp at you.)
>suffice it to say i might not be alive now if it were'nt for latin homework...
Hmm. What a dilema. Latin or death. To die would be a great adventure.
Latin is....just boring. But don't die, Julia. Please.
'Butty for president. Vote now!' That's my only latin memory. I wrote
it in Stuarts latin book, because I thought it was his jotter, in year
nine. Year nine. When I was 13. And when I first got a sad pathetic die-
in-a-hurry crush on a girl. I'd like to go back in time and give myself
a bloody hard smack, sometimes.
There'd be me. Thirteen. Angsty. Thinking I know it all. And there'd be
me, age 18, bigger, stronger, and still a fool. And I'd whip my freaking
ass into next week. And the 13 year old me would be crying about how
unfair his life was. That's what it would take to make *this* me happy.
>
>>
>>>> Well, nobody's perfect. At least you don't write poetry and insist we
>>>>read it.
>>>
>>>i make my bandmates read it.
>>>no wait... they're the ones who make me re-read it.
>>
>> Poetic Justice. I like it.
>>
>
><sigh>
Come on. It was required. It would have been like sending a blancmange
out without a cherry on top, not replying to that....
>
>>> but i just bought a
>>>new guitar... so it's all good...
>>
>> What type, how much, is it nice, what's the verdict after a week of
>>playing it?
>>
>
>yamaha pacifica, $150, it's quite nice, and after a week of playing it we've
>become good friends...
They're nice guitars, from everything I read. They cost 200UKP in
England. That gives you some idea of the price difference between
countries....
> but there's so much to learn that it's hard to say.
It's fun though, yeah?
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