rudeboy's and rudegirls
Noah Roy
On 10 Jul 1997, Jvh1293 wrote:
> <<<<<<ey there people
> you like to wank an moan about this and that, yunno.... why don't
> you all shut up and go to shows and wear your best black suit or your
> cutest little dress. shut up about what is ska and what isn't... the
> ska scene I know is tight knit and lotsa cool people go to the shows.
> mebbe it is because the san joaquin valley ska scene here in californeee
> bunch of cool bands. I never hear of the mighty mighty
> bosstones or any huge band coming here and playing every weekend. so we
> make do goin to shows with great bands like the titans, checkmate, LGB,
> los hooligans, and chico and the hornets (or mebbe just the hornets,
> mebbe). and there is room too for smaller bands like mine (gumshoe),
> dr. rocket and the moon patrol, and even stephen to play lots of shows.
> every once in a while a great band does come through that are not
> necessarily from here that are great too. hm,mm... yunno, this post is
> really going a lot of places. I guess I am just trying to say that you
> all should try to make your scene cool like the one I know. always
> dress up for shows and keep it rude. make friends with as many people
> as possible. don't shun the ignorant people, educate them... lend them
> records and cd's of good ska. make them smarter. don't kick their
> groins before they can punch, yunno... (that was a metaphor) and be
> cool to the skinheads... not idiot nazi's... oi skins... the cool
> kind. sharps and the like. okay... I fell like and idiot for posting
> this much stuff and wasting your time... I just had to say stuff.
> 2TONE timbo
> p.s. intermixing of black and white is great.... not enough black
> people in ska bands today... black people out there, come to shows and
> meet whitey. ska is for both. and other races too... havy molina is
> badass!>>>>>>>
>
> Um... what if I don't have a suit?
Then you're fucked. Sorry. It's too bad, I think you really would have
enjoyed meeting Whitey. I'll say hi to him for you though.
N-Roy
PS Obviously a joke, in case the sarcasm-impaired out there couldn't tell.
The original post has got to be one of the most idiotic bits of drivel
I've encountered on this newsgroup, though, and that's saying QUITE a lot.
Astroman97
Word. Props to anyone who goes to a ska show wearing a suit, but I still
hear too many people talking about how you have to wear a suit to a ska
show to be called a rude boy or a rude girl. Shit, I would never wear a
suit to a ska show here in NYC, just because Wetlands is hot as hell, and
I would probably faint after the first two bands play. I consider myself
a rude boy just because I love ska. Alright, that's all I had to say.
Thanks fer listening.
--jesse
ModStyle2
>rudeboys arent people who wear suits.real rudeboys are jamaican gangsters
>who listened to ska.
so ska man [or sorry "ska man"] whats your point??? it may just be me, but
last time i checked out pictures of people like: desmond dekker, early
bob marley, the maytals, jackie opel, clement dodd, etc...they all wore
suits, so of course, there "rude boy" admirers did the same. whether
these rude boys were gangsters or not, they still wore nice suits!!! i
mean look at the mafia. they dress slick and they are gangsters. it
doesnt really matter what "affiliation" if you will, you are in, but the
first rude boys wore suits, or other nice clothes for that matter...and at
least real rude boys had taylored suits...not like some of these jokes
that go to shows in oversized plaid or checkered <making gagging
gesture>suits they borrowed from their dads or got at the salvation army
earlier that day. so a message to kids who claim "rude boy", if you are
going to buy suits...please FOR THE SAKE OF HOLDING BACK EVERYONES
LAUGHTER get them taylored! do i hear an a-men?
--=-=---=-=----=with all soul, Mod Style 2.=----=-=---=-=--
"oh, what a feelin' i've had since you've gone, my lonely days are long, and my nights are blue..."-Phyllis Dillon.
Andrew Pierce
Unknown
On 19 Jul 1997 19:37:00 GMT, D_Be...@t-online.de (king_SKA) wrote:
>
>what's a rudeboy ???
>for sure it doesn't make ya a rudie wearing nice suits
>it doesn't make ya a rudie being a ska freak, too
>and ya ain't a rudie if ya are a gangster
>
>but its true the "real" Rudeboys were Gang Kids in Jamaica's Streets,
>which happend accidently to listen to ska and reggae music. It was not a
>fshion movement so, rudeboys (-->> roughians) were outlaws (Gun Law Act)
>and they weren't really very kind persons....
>Songs give evidence of this, too... (Simmer Down, Hooligan...)
>ah just forget it, but one is true:
>
>MIGHTY MIGHTY BOSSTONES AIN'T RUDE BOYS!!!
Who the hell ever said they were? Stupidest idea I've ever heard on
this newsgroup.
>cheers
>
>klaus
>
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Horse
In article <19970722150...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
mods...@aol.com (ModStyle2) wrote:
> >A mod not being a perfectionist when it comes to clothing? Since when....
>
> well luv, thanks for the compliment, i know i dress perfectly, but gosh,
> you didnt have to tell me over the whole Nation in this pathetic
> newsgroup.
>
> --=-=---=-=----=with all soul, Mod Style 2.=----=-=---=-=--
> "oh, what a feelin' i've had since you've gone, my lonely days are long,
and my nights are blue..."-Phyllis Dillon.
Now don't go breakin' your arm patting yourself on your back.
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the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott]
king_SKA wrote:
>
> what's a rudeboy ???
> for sure it doesn't make ya a rudie wearing nice suits
> it doesn't make ya a rudie being a ska freak, too
> and ya ain't a rudie if ya are a gangster
>
> but its true the "real" Rudeboys were Gang Kids in Jamaica's Streets,
> which happend accidently to listen to ska and reggae music. It was not a
> fshion movement so, rudeboys (-->> roughians) were outlaws (Gun Law Act)
> and they weren't really very kind persons....
Okay, now that it has been established 900 times (not to gripe on you
directly, but I just am sick and tired of this) that Rudeboys were all
Jamaican bad boys, can we now agree that since there are no more
Jamaican bad boys running around in suits with guns and being jerks,
causing trouble, and groovin' to ska, people who adopt some of the more
superficial aspects - style of dress, musical preference - be called
rude boys?
Words don't have to mean the same thing throughout time and space.
Hell, if you go to diffrent parts of the US (or just about any country,
I suspect) you can hear almost an entirely new language.
-dave
Josh Glover
Noah Roy wrote:
>
> On Sat, 19 Jul 1997, the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott] wrote:
>
> > Since Original Rude Boys don't exist anymore, can't we agree that the
> > term can now be applied to ska fans who dress in the style of the
> > oldtime thugs?
>
> No, I'm sorry, we can't. Listen to some dancehall. The badass young men
> living and dying in the streets of kingston today still answer to the name
> rudeboy from time to time. They are the legitimate heirs to the name
> anyway, not a bunch of dorky white middle class suburban american
> teenagers who want to think they're cool because of the clothes they wear.
> Get it?
I've got a good idea: how about you stop telling us the "rules?" I
thought ska was about being carefree and having fun! Who cares what we
call ourselves?
-Luke Skawalker, Ruder Than I Should Be Allowed
the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott]
Me (who else would it be?) wrote:
>
> but gangstas are still called rude boys (or rude bwoys) in Jamaica, even
> if they're not still wearing suits and listening to ska.
>
> x's & o's
> cathy
Oh. damn. Well I could say then, that that's wrong because they have
to wear suits and listen to ska also to be TRUE rude boys. But I won't
mention it. That would be wrong.
-dave
ModStyle2
>Now don't go breakin' your arm patting yourself on your back.
SNAP! oops...
the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott]
Noah Roy wrote:
>
> On Sat, 19 Jul 1997, the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott] wrote:
>
> > Since Original Rude Boys don't exist anymore, can't we agree that the
> > term can now be applied to ska fans who dress in the style of the
> > oldtime thugs?
>
> No, I'm sorry, we can't. Listen to some dancehall. The badass young
> men living and dying in the streets of kingston today still answer to
> the name rudeboy from time to time. They are the legitimate heirs to
> the name anyway, not a bunch of dorky white middle class suburban
> american teenagers who want to think they're cool because of the
> clothes they wear. Get it?
>
> Comrade-at-arms, Sucker Patrol
> People's Liberation Sound System
> "No MSG"
yeah.
-dave
Me (who else would it be?)
but gangstas are still called rude boys (or rude bwoys) in Jamaica, even
if they're not still wearing suits and listening to ska.
x's & o's
cathy
le...@acadia.net
In article <33D651...@geocities.com>,
tan...@geocities.com wrote:
>
> Noah Roy wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 19 Jul 1997, the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott] wrote:
> >
> > > Since Original Rude Boys don't exist anymore, can't we agree that the
> > > term can now be applied to ska fans who dress in the style of the
> > > oldtime thugs?
> >
> > No, I'm sorry, we can't. Listen to some dancehall. The badass young men
> > living and dying in the streets of kingston today still answer to the name
> > rudeboy from time to time. They are the legitimate heirs to the name
> > anyway, not a bunch of dorky white middle class suburban american
> > teenagers who want to think they're cool because of the clothes they wear.
> > Get it?
>
> thought ska was about being carefree and having fun! Who cares what we
> call ourselves?
>
> -Luke Skawalker, Ruder Than I Should Be Allowed
I've got a better idea: how 'bout a little
gratitude to someone trying to explain the
rules to you so you don't make an utter
jackass of yourself?
Leigh
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Zurik
I personally enjoy hearing his "rules" Mr. Skawalker(my god that must be
the worst play on the word ska I have ever heard, and very very
disrespectful to Star Wars). They bring a smile to my face.
Matt
Zurik
N-Roy is cool
<<<
I'd second that one.
Noah Roy
On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Josh Glover wrote:
> Noah Roy wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 19 Jul 1997, the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott] wrote:
> >
> > > Since Original Rude Boys don't exist anymore, can't we agree that the
> > > term can now be applied to ska fans who dress in the style of the
> > > oldtime thugs?
> >
> > No, I'm sorry, we can't. Listen to some dancehall. The badass young men
> > living and dying in the streets of kingston today still answer to the name
> > rudeboy from time to time. They are the legitimate heirs to the name
> > anyway, not a bunch of dorky white middle class suburban american
> > teenagers who want to think they're cool because of the clothes they wear.
> > Get it?
>
> I've got a good idea: how about you stop telling us the "rules?" I
> thought ska was about being carefree and having fun! Who cares what we
> call ourselves?
You're allowed to do call yourself whatever the fuck you want, and if I
think it's stupid and wrong and disrespectful and racist for you to call
yourself a rudeboy, I'm allowed to tell you that. If, after I've
explained my point of view, you still don't agree or don't care, there
isn't much I can do, is there? That said, I think your "who cares, ska is
just about having fun" attitude is exactly the kind of not taking your
life seriously kind of bullshit that I've been railing against on some
other threads.
N-Roy
Noah Roy
On 24 Jul 1997, SKA man15 wrote:
> well,i think that the "rudeboys" of today are more like mods then rudeboys
Sort of. Except that their style is totally retro, which is anathema to
everything that the original modds were about.
N-Roy
SKA man15
SKA man15
N-Roy is cool
ol...@erols.com
the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott] wrote:
>
> Zurik wrote:
> >
> > N-Roy is cool
> > <<<
> >
> > I'd second that one.
> yeah me too. gotta respect the knowledge.
>
> -dave
R-E-S-P-E-C-T. by the way, where can i buy an insteps album?
the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott]
Rudigrrl17 wrote:
> Roy...
> All the props in the world for expressing yourself, but chill man! i dunno
> how old you are or how old Josh Glover is, but i'm guessing..he is about
> 16 or 17..at this point life in general should be about having fun, at
> least in my opinion...i'm about that age, and yeah...i take my life pretty
> damn seriously... i bet he does, too...but just because he calls himself a
> rudeboy when he isn't a Jamaican thug from the 60's doesn't mean he is a
> stupid ass punk kid, either...all he wants to do is have fun, and be a kid
> and have some fun...lighten up...no offense to you at all, and i'm sorry
> if i did offend you....i didn't mean to...keep expressing yourself....
> UNITY!!!
> jesSKA
to quote the infinitely great movie:
"That's what high school is about - IGNORANCE, algebra, and bad lunch"
or something to that effect, which I guess makes itmore of a paraphrase,
but, dammit, i still think it fits.
-dave
Rudigrrl17
> That said, I think your "who cares, ska is
>just about having fun" attitude is exactly the kind of not taking your
>life seriously kind of bullshit that I've been railing against on some
>other threads.
>
>N-Roy
Noah Roy
Well, I may have overreacted a bit, but his post was pretty obnoxious
("I've got a good idea:...") and I'd just finished reading that post where
some joker called me an idiot, so I was a little steamed. I'm not at all
opposed to having fun, either, although I've long hated the "Ska's just
about having fun and wackiness and happy feelings and bouncing up and
down" vibe typified by that goodburger song/commercial thing. I also
won't accept stupid arguments like the one he tried to bring against me.
I also maintain that it's wrong for middle class white suburban teenagers
to call themselves rudeboys, no matter what music they listen to or what
clothes they wear. Basically if someone takes an obnoxious tone with me,
and presumes to teach me something about a subject on which I'm way better
informed than they are, then they deserve what they get. You on the other
hand seem quite nice, and I hope this post doesn't sound like I'm snapping
at you.
N-Roy
PS Try not to use so many ...'s though. It's a common symptom of
usenet-itis, and regular periods and commas actually work just as well.
János Czifra
Noah Roy wrote:
>
> On Wed, 23 Jul 1997, Josh Glover wrote:
>
> > Noah Roy wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sat, 19 Jul 1997, the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott] wrote:
> > >
> > > > Since Original Rude Boys don't exist anymore, can't we agree that the
> > > > term can now be applied to ska fans who dress in the style of the
> > > > oldtime thugs?
> > >
> > > No, I'm sorry, we can't. Listen to some dancehall. The badass young men
> > > living and dying in the streets of kingston today still answer to the name
> > > rudeboy from time to time. They are the legitimate heirs to the name
> > > anyway, not a bunch of dorky white middle class suburban american
> > > teenagers who want to think they're cool because of the clothes they wear.
> > > Get it?
> >
> > I've got a good idea: how about you stop telling us the "rules?" I
> > thought ska was about being carefree and having fun! Who cares what we
> > call ourselves?
>
> You're allowed to do call yourself whatever the fuck you want, and if I
> think it's stupid and wrong and disrespectful and racist for you to call
> yourself a rudeboy, I'm allowed to tell you that. If, after I've
> explained my point of view, you still don't agree or don't care, there
> just about having fun" attitude is exactly the kind of not taking your
> life seriously kind of bullshit that I've been railing against on some
> other threads.
>
> N-Roy
N-Roy mash up dem white bwoys, thinkin' dem rude bwoys!!!!
311's renegade sound system ain't got shit on Brooklyn Massive!!!!
Niceness,
John
János Czifra
Hi,
Another daft argument if I ever heard one.
We have "Mr. Mod" saying something to the tune of he's a perfectionist.
If your attire consists only of some sort of $5, $10, $20 or more shark
skin/tonic suit and some DM's or wingtips, then you're no mod. You're a
retro freak. Mods in the 60's never stayed with one style of dress. They
were always hip on the next fashion trend as opposed to being stagnant in
one style.
Next we have someone stating that rudeboys aren't around in Jamaica causing
trouble and listening to Ska. No. They still exist, though maybe not as rough
as the rudeboys of the 60's, but still prevalent in Jamaica and in Dancehall music.
You must remember that rudeboys were street thugs who were hired as hired guns
by those in the drug trade, those who wanted to trash sound systems, and even
by political parties to cause trouble in the opposing camps.
They are far from being the wholesome rudeboy ushered in by 2Tone as well as
the "rudegirl". Above all else original rudeboys weren't middle class dorky
white kids wearing pork pies saying, "I'm a rudie!!", either.
The notion of words shouldn't mean the same thing over time is really crass.
With thinking like that'll mean we can use the word "Nigger" or "Fag" in 20 years
and it'll mean something different, right??? Good thinking, pal.
What a load of crap!!!
Cheers,
John
ex alto sax Inspecter 7
ModStyle2
>
> We have "Mr. Mod" saying something to the tune of he's a perfectionist.
>: If your attire consists only of some sort of $5, $10, $20 or more shark
>: skin/tonic suit and some DM's or wingtips, then you're no mod.
hey thats ms. mod to you, buddy. and thanks for mentioning me. i feel so
loved. but hmmm....i would really like to know when i talked about if you
dont have wing tips, then your not a mod. i hate those god-aweful
wingtips. i never said anything about doc. martens either...get your facts
straight THEN argue your point, or else you'll keep looking like a total
idiot.
>You're a
>: retro freak. Mods in the 60's never stayed with one style of dress.
They
>: were always hip on the next fashion trend as opposed to being stagnant
in
>: one style.
retro freak???? no actually i stick with the mod fashions of the 60's.
unless you want me to wear a really dumb outfit from COntempo casuals and
say im mod. god your wasting my *perfect* time.
with love, the perfectionist...
Jim Pfaendtner
ws.com> <33DAE4...@worldnet.att.net>
Distribution:
János Czifra (janos-...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Hi,
: Another daft argument if I ever heard one.
We have "Mr. Mod" saying something to the tune of he's a perfectionist.
: If your attire consists only of some sort of $5, $10, $20 or more shark
: skin/tonic suit and some DM's or wingtips, then you're no mod. You're a
: retro freak. Mods in the 60's never stayed with one style of dress. They
: were always hip on the next fashion trend as opposed to being stagnant in
: one style.
: Next we have someone stating that rudeboys aren't around in Jamaica causing
: trouble and listening to Ska. No. They still exist, though maybe not as rough
: as the rudeboys of the 60's, but still prevalent in Jamaica and in Dancehall music.
: You must remember that rudeboys were street thugs who were hired as hired guns
: by those in the drug trade, those who wanted to trash sound systems, and even
: by political parties to cause trouble in the opposing camps.
: They are far from being the wholesome rudeboy ushered in by 2Tone as well as
: the "rudegirl". Above all else original rudeboys weren't middle class dorky
: white kids wearing pork pies saying, "I'm a rudie!!", either.
: The notion of words shouldn't mean the same thing over time is really crass.
: With thinking like that'll mean we can use the word "Nigger" or "Fag" in 20 years
: and it'll mean something different, right??? Good thinking, pal.
: What a load of crap!!!
: Cheers,
: John
: ex alto sax Inspecter 7
40 or less years ago, you could call someone 'gay' and it would mean they
were happy, and you could say the world 'fag' and mean a bundle of sticks.
The word 'cool' described a temperature, 'radical' was something that was
really politically on one side or the other of the spectrum, and if you
liked something you could say 'gear', and people would know what you were
talkin about even if they weren't a mod. 40 or less years ago, there was
no such thing as a 'calculator', CD-Rom.. About a hundered years ago, you
would go get your tires revulcanized, and your car filled up with
petroleum disolate, posthaste.
I don't think that way of thinking is such a load of crap, not that I've
formulated an opinion on this issue or anything, but words definitions do
change..
--
Matt - Voodoo Child - v_child on the IRC - gra...@freenet.grfn.org
sXe - True 'Till Death - Never Give In
Old School, Baby.
"You're only young once, so do it RIGHT!" - Side By Side
le...@acadia.net
In article <
19970727171...@ladder01.news.
aol.com>,
mods...@aol.com (ModStyle2) wrote:
>
>
> >
> > We have "Mr. Mod" saying something to the tune of he's a perfectionist.
> >: If your attire consists only of some sort of $5, $10, $20 or more shark
>
> >: skin/tonic suit and some DM's or wingtips, then you're no mod.
>
> loved. but hmmm....i would really like to know when i talked about if you
> dont have wing tips, then your not a mod. i hate those god-aweful
> wingtips. i never said anything about doc. martens either...get your facts
> straight THEN argue your point, or else you'll keep looking like a total
> idiot.
> >: retro freak. Mods in the 60's never stayed with one style of dress.
> They
> >: were always hip on the next fashion trend as opposed to being stagnant
> in
> >: one style.
>
Well that would make you a retro freak. If
you claim to have a true modernist attitude
you should be applying that outlook to your
clothing choices. Patrick Cox over docs,
A.P.C. or Michael Kors over two tone
dresses, etc. Of course I see nothing wrong
with original mod clothes or the reissued
versions of such but then I don't claim to be
a modernist.
Leigh
> unless you want me to wear a really dumb outfit from COntempo casuals and
> say im mod. god your wasting my *perfect* time.
> with love, the perfectionist...
>
> --=-=---=-=----=with all soul, Mod Style 2.=----=-=---=-=--
> "oh, what a feelin' i've had since you've gone, my lonely days are long, and my nights are blue..."-Phyllis Dillon.
-------------------==== Posted via Deja News ====-----------------------
TIM ESAU
so, I cannot be a rudeboy? howabout if I drink all the time and fight
and I feel oppressed and I cause hooligany trouble? what does that
mean? I am a dorky white kid who thinks he is a jamaican hooligan? hmm
I am really tired... bye
tim
the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott]
János Czifra wrote:
> The notion of words shouldn't mean the same thing over time is really crass.
> With thinking like that'll mean we can use the word "Nigger" or "Fag" in 20 years
> and it'll mean something different, right??? Good thinking, pal.
WOrds do change meaning over the years. Gay didn't always mean
homosexual. Punk didn't always refer to music. ANd nigger wasn't
always a degrading term applied to black people.
> What a load of crap!!!
>
> Cheers,
> John
> ex alto sax Inspecter 7
-dave
SiNs CHiLde
Wow..
this has got to be the Lamest thread I've read in a while..
I think most ppl referring to present day 'RudeBoys' are talking about
ska kids.. I mean come on now, it comes with the subculture. Its
pretty rad if you know what it meant before and that you can still
accept that those times are over. Plus its lame to say "middle class
white boys trying to be cool" or something, because thats a rude
racist stereotype, and most of the rudeboys i know are pretty rad.
Also, ska music is not just about 'Having fun and being happy' golly
gee. a lot of it is joking around songs, but some of it is actually
deep and some what depressing. *sigh* You should take *yourself*
seriously... Just not *too* seriously *shrug*
-=SiNnEr=-
SiNsC...@aol.com
TIM ESAU
wow.. you are perfect
tim
János Czifra
le...@acadia.net wrote:
>
> Well that would make you a retro freak. If
> you claim to have a true modernist attitude
> you should be applying that outlook to your
> clothing choices. Patrick Cox over docs,
> A.P.C. or Michael Kors over two tone
> dresses, etc. Of course I see nothing wrong
> with original mod clothes or the reissued
> versions of such but then I don't claim to be
> a modernist.
>
> Leigh
>
Touché! Nice, Leigh.
Cheers,
John
János Czifra
Just makes you a hooligan, Tim.
John
TIM ESAU
a hooligan that is gonna kick your ass!!!! ha ha ha I am a rudie fella!
I play the ska, I am ska for life! heh heh
sir lord boomboom
Jenn Starkman
In article
<Pine.SUN.3.95L.97072...@inibara.cc.columbia.edu>,
>
>everything that the original modds were about.
>
>N-Roy
Hehehe...which means that we can reclassify current rudeboys as being like the
original Mods (as opposed to still being gangster-types), but then the problem
comes with figuring out what to call the current "Mods" who are still dressing
the same way that the "Modernist"s back in the '60s did. <grin>
Jenn
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ModStyle2
>comes with figuring out what to call the current "Mods" who are still
>dressing
>the same way that the "Modernist"s back in the '60s did. <grin>
well, as for me and my wardrobe, it's very modern and hip. sure maybe i
shop at vintage clothing stores, but its still a modern fashion. and how
can any generation X'er as yourself "Jenn" catorigize "modern". there
really is no modern type of dress since everyone has their own styles now.
greasers, skins, mods, rude boys/girls, swing kids....they all have
carried on a clothing style [that still to this day] looks very hip and
modern, so wake up and smell the mods, "jenn."
Jake Lowinger
Unfortunately, the "joking around songs" that are so common now among
ska bands is more than just a reflection of changing times. It is true
that the 70's critically damaged this country's (the US) ability to take
itself seriously, which has been manifest in much of the music to hit it
big here. Ska, however, has been "jokey" to a reasonably moderated
extent all along, with the Skatalites doing "James Bond", with the
Specials on "Stupid Marriage," or with nearly everything by the Toasters
or NY Citizens. The problem is with people getting involved in the
scene at incredibly young ages and starting bands, who miss the satire
behind these songs and miss the historical context under which this
jokiness was effective as a way of speaking out. Many of them are drawn
in by the seemingly lighthearted nature of the music and end up playing
incredibly juvenile, sophomoric music because they see ska as an outlet
for this type of sentiment. And this is exactly what it has become in
the popular imagination. To bring the music back to express at least a
comic irony, if not anything genuinely serious, would be, well, nice.
Jake
"This is not a rebel song . . . this is lemon jelly!"
-NY Citizens
Rudigrrl17
>The problem is with people getting involved in the
>scene at incredibly young ages and starting bands, who miss the satire
>behind these songs and miss the historical context under which this
>jokiness was effective as a way of speaking out. Many of them are drawn
>in by the seemingly lighthearted nature of the music and end up playing
>incredibly juvenile, sophomoric music because they see ska as an outlet
>for this type of sentiment. And this is exactly what it has become in
>the popular imagination. To bring the music back to express at least a
>comic irony, if not anything genuinely serious, would be, well, nice.
>
>Jake
>
>"This is not a rebel song . . . this is lemon jelly!"
>
>-NY Citizens
Jake,
I understand what you're saying, but hopefully as the kids that are into
ska begin to mature, they WILL understand the satire beneath the
jokes...then, as they mature, their music will hopefully evolve, also.
I mean, i just don't think it's right either to assume just becaue kids
are young, that they are too immmature to realize the true message behind
a song, and i mean any song...that's all i have to say for now...l8er all
JesSKA
"I will rule the world"
RudieLGB
behold-I am white, everybody laugh! I've never shot anyone(gee whillikers
he's not rude!). I am NOT, however, suburban, and I do not think I'm
"cool" because I wear a suit everyday(no theyre not checkered, my suits
are black and grey, and theyre not oversized either). Rudeboys arent
something kept strictly to jamaica. Just because the term was coined there
doesn't mean it stays there. Who created the sandwich? Was it someone in
your city? If not, you'd better start eating stuffed bread snackeroos
instead. Rudeboys were not just "gangsters" although a lot of them were.
They were heroes for the poor familys and people living in the "shanty
towns"(how many of you actually know what this means???! a shanty is an
old shack and a shanty town is a town for poor people living in these
rough looking houses). Rudeboys were(and are) sort of robin hood type
figures. Although they didn't necsesarily steal money and give it to the
poor, they were role models to the youth who felt helpless against the
rich and other powerful people. I'm sure that a lot of people who consider
themselves "rude" nowadays are in fact following more the "mod" fashions,
and thats really too bad for both groups in question, but I don't think
it's worth making over 40 posts about it. Who cares....some people are
dumb and we just need to live with them. And the misconception that
rudeboys are related to ska is also common. sure they liked ska. Everyone
did back then. you were square if you didn't. Does this mean that rudeboys
werent around before then? Of course not...it's just that references to
them in songs of that period made us aware. Well that was about it for my
random bitching. please disregard all of this as the result of mental
deterioration and lack of sleep. oh good now's your chance to make fun of
me! make it interesting though......
Noah Roy
On Thu, 31 Jul 1997 mcc...@umich.edu wrote:
> I wrote:
> : the.great.woo [formerly davidelliott] wrote:
>
> : > Since Original Rude Boys don't exist anymore, can't we agree that the
> : > term can now be applied to ska fans who dress in the style of the
> : > oldtime thugs?
>
> : No, I'm sorry, we can't. Listen to some dancehall. The badass young men
> : living and dying in the streets of kingston today still answer to the name
> : rudeboy from time to time. They are the legitimate heirs to the name
> : anyway, not a bunch of dorky white middle class suburban american
> : teenagers who want to think they're cool because of the clothes they wear.
> : Get it?
>
> You are such a fake bastard! It's not like you are a "legitimate" rudeboy
> or anything. I deriously doubt that you know anyone who is or was. Who
> cares what people want to call themselves. It's none of your buisness. Get
> off people's backs man. I'm not saying that anyone is cool becasue their
> clothes but at least they are trying to express themselves instead of
> trying to repress others like you.
What the fuck do you know about me that gives you the right to call me a
fake bastard? Furthermore, where have I ever claimed to be a legitimate
rudeboy, or a rudeboy at all for that matter? My guess is that you didn't
do particularly well on the reading comprehension section of the SAT. I
want to make one thing clear, I am ALL for people expressing themselves.
I just want them to express something that's real and honest. I am
utterly opposed to self expression in half-measures. People can call
themselves whatever they want, and there isn't much I can do to stop them.
I just don't believe that calling yourself a rudeboy expresses much of
anything, except for the fact that you don't really know what the fuck
you're talking about. If that's the statement you want to make, go right
ahead, but if I were you I'd keep my mouth shut. I'm actually thankful
for this post, because it's helped me to clarify in my mind exactly what
it is that bugs me so much about kids who call themselves rudeboys. If
you've got a counter argument, I'd love to hear it, but if you reply,
please answer the following in your post:
When you call yourself a rudeboy, what (in your opinion) are you really
saying? (that you like ska is a given, and no points will be given for
such an answer)
N-Roy
SKA man15
i agree with jake totally.but rather then getting all angry and roused up
about,i have the perfect soultion.dont listen to the little kid bands
SKA man15
Alan Guest
I keep dipping into this newsgroup and finding an endless thread about
rude boys. I read somewhere that the origins of the term rude boy/girl
was because "Dem throw de book back at you - rude like, y'know" (the
book meaning the bible). In this respect I think the term came to
signify hooligans in the sixties and up to the present day. This
explains why the style and the music has changed but they still use
the term rude boys. However, the Two Tone phase revived the term Rude
Boy/Girl and signified a particular style from the sixties.
To have a massive argument about whether you can call yourself a rudie
is crazy. It's all about attitude.
Noah Roy
On Fri, 25 Jul 1997, ol...@erols.com wrote:
> R-E-S-P-E-C-T. by the way, where can i buy an insteps album?
I don't think they're in the moon catalog any more. I'm not sure why this
is, but the rumor that I heard was a distressing one. In any case, check
your local record stores, and if that doesn't work, email another planet
records apla...@aol.com
N-Roy
Noah Roy
On 1 Aug 1997, RudieLGB wrote:
> behold-I am white, everybody laugh! I've never shot anyone(gee whillikers
> he's not rude!). I am NOT, however, suburban, and I do not think I'm
> "cool" because I wear a suit everyday(no theyre not checkered, my suits
> are black and grey, and theyre not oversized either). Rudeboys arent
> something kept strictly to jamaica. Just because the term was coined there
> doesn't mean it stays there.
Well, yeah, that's what's happened. Doesn't make it right, though.
> Who created the sandwich? Was it someone in
> your city? If not, you'd better start eating stuffed bread snackeroos
> instead.
Whoah, now. A person's not a sandwich, and a rudeboy is a person. I'm
hoping that this is just a really poorly thought-through metaphor and not
an expression of a latent cannibalism.
> Rudeboys were not just "gangsters" although a lot of them were.
> They were heroes for the poor familys and people living in the "shanty
> towns"
I'm not so sure about that. There are at least as many, if not more
anti-rudeboy songs as pro-rudeboy songs, and generally rudeboys shot and
stabbed each other, and other people who lived in their neighborhoods.
There's nothing heroic about being a murderous thug.
> (how many of you actually know what this means???! a shanty is an
> old shack and a shanty town is a town for poor people living in these
> rough looking houses).
Thanks for the info.
> Rudeboys were(and are) sort of robin hood type
> figures. Although they didn't necsesarily steal money and give it to the
> poor, they were role models to the youth who felt helpless against the
> rich and other powerful people.
I don't know where you're getting this from, but I imagine that an active
imagination has something to do with it. How could they be role models to
themselves? They WERE the youth, and they WERE disenfranchised. They
killed, robbed and assaulted people for money for themselves. It's really
not a pleasant, or cool life to have. They lived in poverty and in the
shadow of oppression, and they behaved as young men in such situations
often do.
> I'm sure that a lot of people who consider
> themselves "rude" nowadays are in fact following more the "mod" fashions,
> and thats really too bad for both groups in question, but I don't think
> it's worth making over 40 posts about it. Who cares....
Obviously people who feel a need to call themselves rudeboys today care.
> some people are dumb and we just need to live with them.
I don't buy this. Putting up with bullshit is always a mistake.
> And the misconception that
> rudeboys are related to ska is also common. sure they liked ska. Everyone
> did back then. you were square if you didn't. Does this mean that rudeboys
> werent around before then? Of course not...it's just that references to
> them in songs of that period made us aware. Well that was about it for my
> random bitching. please disregard all of this as the result of mental
> deterioration and lack of sleep. oh good now's your chance to make fun of
> me! make it interesting though......
I'm not making fun of you. Sorry.
N-Roy
Warska
Lemme try and this up a little for you all, ok?? I don't want to have it
seem like I think I'm the know-all of ska, but I think I have a pretty
good clue. Rudeboys were Jamacians who wore suits and listened to ska and
reggae back in the first wave days. These gangsters wore suits, trying to
make it ironic to what they're real mentality was like a rudeboy. This
carried on to England in the second wave-people thought it was like the
music. and now we are at where we are now.
Jenn Starkman
In article <19970801095...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
rudi...@aol.com (RudieLGB) wrote:
Not wanting to get way deep into this again, I only have a couple of notes to
make on this post:
No. 1:
<snip>
>Rudeboys arent something kept strictly to jamaica. Just because the term was
>coined there doesn't mean it stays there. Who created the sandwich? Was it
>someone in your city? If not, you'd better start eating stuffed bread
>snackeroos instead.
Ummm...I understand the point that you're trying to make (just barely, mind
you), but that's not exactly the best comparison. Nobody is, as you have just
(purposely or mistakenly) asserted, saying that the TERM rudeboy cannot be
used anymore to apply to a rudeboy (ie, calling a sandwich a sandwich).
Rather, they're complaining that the term rudeboy has been bastardized and is
now being used to refer to something OTHER than what it originally meant--in
many cases, just to refer to any old ska fan at all (ie, calling a box of
croutons a sandwich just 'cause they both involve bread).
No.2
>Rudeboys were not just "gangsters" although a lot of them were.
>They were heroes for the poor familys and people living in the "shanty
>towns"(how many of you actually know what this means???! a shanty is an
>old shack and a shanty town is a town for poor people living in these
>rough looking houses).
I'm not sure if you're just trying to look impressive and "sussed" here, or if
you honestly believe that people wouldn't know this, but I have to express an
EXTREME concern for the U.S. educational system if it is considered a
reasonable belief that people would need a word as simple as "shanty" defined
for them, or need the concept of a shantytown explained. PLEASE tell me that
you were just being condescending...I'd hate to think of an educational system
that produced people ignorant of such basic things.
Katherine A Giles
In article <5sag25$l...@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,
Jenn Starkman <bb...@freenet.carleton.ca> wrote:
>I'm not sure if you're just trying to look impressive and "sussed" here, or if
>you honestly believe that people wouldn't know this, but I have to express an
>EXTREME concern for the U.S. educational system if it is considered a
>reasonable belief that people would need a word as simple as "shanty" defined
>for them, or need the concept of a shantytown explained. PLEASE tell me that
>you were just being condescending...I'd hate to think of an educational system
>that produced people ignorant of such basic things.
NEVER underestimate the horrendous mess that is the U.S. educational
system. He might have just been trying to be condescending, but it is
entirely feasible that a good 50% of teenagers don't know what a
shantytown is.
Not being sarcastic,
Katherine
Schroedinger Cat
sc...@panix.com
--
Nature abhors dimensional abnormalities and seals them neatly away so that
they don't disturb people. Nature, in fact, abhors a lot of things, including
vacuums, ships called the Marie Celeste, and the chuck keys
for electric drills. -- Terry Pratchett
Noah Roy
I don't think it was intended to be ironic. I think they just wanted to
look good, and to look like they had money.
N-Roy