does ska need horns?
Chryppndae
DOES SKA NEED HORNS????????????
Guava Baby
>
> the neverending question of......
> DOES SKA NEED HORNS????????????
no
Leigh
JMenapace1
> DOES SKA NEED HORNS????????????
No. There, it just ended.
--Jay
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StrumR74
I am a horn player, so i beleive this to be true!!!
JMenapace1
>I am a horn player, so i beleive this to be true!!!
>
Well, I know a bit about ska, so I believe this to be false! If you take away
the horns and it's punk, then it's not ska, it's punk with horns....
Directions in Groove
>the neverending question of......
>DOES SKA NEED HORNS????????????
It depends on the type op ska you're talkin' about.
* Jamaican (roots) Ska does need horns
* 3rd Wave ska need horns
* ....etc.
Well actually almost every type of ska need horns accept maybe:
* Two Tone don't need horns, but it sounds better with...
* Ska-core don't need horns, but it sounds better with...
You can play ska without horns but doesn't sounds as good as with horns!
It's a must for almost every skaband...
Roel.
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Staats15
Emdat10
opinion, i could be wrong.
matt
ZeroHero
StrumR74 wrote in message
>YES< without horns, ska isnt ska, it is punk!!!!
>I am a horn player, so i beleive this to be true!!!
I am also a horn player, and I believe you are an
idiot.
-Sean
Noah Schaffer
great ska (or very closely related music) without horns, which I'd much
rather
hear than a lousy ska band with all the horns in the world.
Noah Schaffer
Worcester MA
JahBishop
Record's two biggest men besides Bucket?
A.J. Wesseler
murder the gov't and all outta angst, then tell me all outta agnst would
sound the same if there were no horns...dumbass
-a.j.-
AceOfSka
>>
i'd agree that ska doesn't need horns, but haven't we agreed that the bluebeats
are more rocksteady? so that puts a new slant on the question.
-marshall
klaus bender
you should read the definition of ska by prince buster on the back of
the Judge Dread LP......rocksteady is pure ska. slow ska, made in a
especially hot summer. simply cause you couldn't dance the fast one when
it's to hot...remember Jamaica 63....not aircondiotioned Wetlands 99
- klaus
Guava Baby
Ha, ha, ha! Spoken like someone who has obviously never been to the
Sweatglands! Klaus, if you'd picked any other venue on the face of the
planet your point would've worked - BUT NOT THE WETLANDS! :)
As for rocksteady being slowed down ska, I think there's more to it than
that. The vocals are clearly soul-influenced and assume greater
significance in rocksteady, while the horns tend to be less prominent.
It's a minute point, I'll grant you, but I do think there are more
distinctions that you can make between the two genres besides tempo.
Leigh
Wingzie
>ok...listen to nofx so long and thanks for all the shoes. Listen to
>murder the gov't and all outta angst, then tell me all outta agnst would
>sound the same if there were no horns...dumbass
>
> -a.j.-
>
did nofx go ska?
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>Is it just a strange coincidence that your name is the combination of Moon
>Record's two biggest men besides Bucket?
>
wow, someone's been online too long! heheheh! actually, that's scary.
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combination of instruments (usually 2 different ones, whichever they are) which
maintain the ska beat: one playing the upbeats (typically a guitar, sometimes
horns), the other beating on the 2 and 4 (almost exclusively the drums).
This can successfully be pulled off using simply your 2 hands, one smacking
your forehead on the afterbeat and the other pounding on a table on the 2 and
4. (The 1 and 3 are rests). Just do the following to any Skatalites song:
[---] [slap!] [thump] [slap!] [----] [slap!] [thump] [slap!]
Try it. It's fun.
-rs
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JMenapace1
No, they didn't, but the latest (1997) album, SO Long and Thanks for All the
Shoes, had a few ska tracks on it, a ska intro and breakdown to 180 degrees, a
ska-core song entitled All Outta Angst, a French punk w/ horn song called
Champs Elysees, a rather bleak trad/reggae jam called Eat the Meek, and an
instrumental ska ditty called Flossing a Dead Horse. NOFX has had several ska
and ska influenced songs throughout their history, and they explored that more
on that album, but they still have not "gone ska." Just remember their live
staple, "We Don't Play Ska Anymore"...
Rudepyro
Wingzie
>staple, "We Don't Play Ska Anymore"...
that's why i asked
JMenapace1
>>staple, "We Don't Play Ska Anymore"...
>
>that's why i asked
I think that song's largely meant to be taken in jest. When I saw them at
Warped Asbury Park this past summer, they still played "Bob" which has a pretty
sizable ska section to it.
Wingzie
>>>staple, "We Don't Play Ska Anymore"...
>>
>>that's why i asked
>
>I think that song's largely meant to be taken in jest. When I saw them at
>Warped Asbury Park this past summer, they still played "Bob" which has a
>pretty
>sizable ska section to it.
>
>--Jay
isnt everything NoFX does supposed to be taken in jest? like their straightedge
cover..
AshTR03
>
>
best answer i've read yet.
matt
George Arsenault
BOBBY BUELL is using my name, and e-mail address. his e-mail is
irc...@adelphia.net
he is not going to get away with it. he is a wanna be skanner and is
giving ska a bad name.drop him a line, pussy will deny it.
Chekerdgal
horns and directly because the y are the 2nd and 3rd waves. The new variety
mixed in with rock-a-billy and the "new" rock n roll of the 50's set a new
standard....ska without horns is either a trad ska or is a type of music that
just doesnt have horns, but does have upbeats....like the Impossibles....which
i happen to love even though they resemble the type of "off" ska i talked
about. In a way, Noah i agree.....but what you liten to is tredy alternative
off punk no horn wanna be ska...but what the hell....right??
Andrea Peeples
Guava Baby
>
> Sure ska didnt start out with horns but the 2nd and 3rd waves are played with
> horns and directly because the y are the 2nd and 3rd waves. The new variety
> mixed in with rock-a-billy and the "new" rock n roll of the 50's set a new
> standard....ska without horns is either a trad ska or is a type of music that
> just doesnt have horns, but does have upbeats....
Most trad ska has horns. The first wave very definitely had horns
aplenty. I have no idea what you're talking about wrt rockabilly.
Leigh
Joe William
them. A lot of specials did not have horns im sure you consideer them ska! i dont
know why you even need to think about htis!
JOE
dtr...@my-dejanews.com
jmena...@aol.comicbooks (JMenapace1) wrote:
> >YES< without horns, ska isnt ska, it is punk!!!!
> >I am a horn player, so i beleive this to be true!!!
> >
>
> the horns and it's punk, then it's not ska, it's punk with horns....
>
> --Jay
An astute observation, my man!!!
Ska doesn't need horns, but I prefer it *with* rather than without (except in
some cases where a band's horn section is so godawful fuckin' horrible that
they'd be better without). Hmmmm. Come to think of it, a lot of bands would
probably be better off without horns.
Cheers,
Dtrain
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Dr. Sloth
>YES< without horns, ska isnt ska, it is punk!!!!
>I am a horn player, so i beleive this to be true!!!
hmm....if the skatalites didn't have horns....they'd be punk....me thinks
not.
dtr...@my-dejanews.com
CASE
> > > >>
> > >
bluebeats
> > > are more rocksteady? so that puts a new slant on the question.
> >
> > you should read the definition of ska by prince buster on the back of
> > the Judge Dread LP......rocksteady is pure ska. slow ska, made in a
> > especially hot summer. simply cause you couldn't dance the fast one when
> > it's to hot...remember Jamaica 63....not aircondiotioned Wetlands 99
> >
> > - klaus
>
> Ha, ha, ha! Spoken like someone who has obviously never been to the
> Sweatglands! Klaus, if you'd picked any other venue on the face of the
> planet your point would've worked - BUT NOT THE WETLANDS! :)
>
> As for rocksteady being slowed down ska, I think there's more to it than
> that. The vocals are clearly soul-influenced and assume greater
> significance in rocksteady, while the horns tend to be less prominent.
> It's a minute point, I'll grant you, but I do think there are more
> distinctions that you can make between the two genres besides tempo.
>
> Leigh
There are differences in rhythm section interplay (i.e. how each player fits
into the skank, the frequency and style of lead lines, etc.).
Anyone care to elaborate?
Cheers,
Dtrain
Joe Norman
Donald Burke
Guava Baby <guav...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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>klaus bender wrote:
>>
>> AceOfSka wrote:
>> >
>> > <<LOOK AT THE BLUEBEATS....NO HORNS YET THEY FUCKIN KICK ASS...I REST
MY CASE
>> > >>
>> >
>> > i'd agree that ska doesn't need horns, but haven't we agreed that the
bluebeats
>> > are more rocksteady? so that puts a new slant on the question.
>>
>> you should read the definition of ska by prince buster on the back of
>> the Judge Dread LP......rocksteady is pure ska. slow ska, made in a
>> especially hot summer. simply cause you couldn't dance the fast one when
>> it's to hot...remember Jamaica 63....not aircondiotioned Wetlands 99
>>
>> - klaus
>
>Ha, ha, ha! Spoken like someone who has obviously never been to the
>Sweatglands! Klaus, if you'd picked any other venue on the face of the
>planet your point would've worked - BUT NOT THE WETLANDS! :)
>
>As for rocksteady being slowed down ska, I think there's more to it than
>that. The vocals are clearly soul-influenced and assume greater
>significance in rocksteady, while the horns tend to be less prominent.
>It's a minute point, I'll grant you, but I do think there are more
>distinctions that you can make between the two genres besides tempo.
>
>Leigh
in my opinion, another (the most?) important difference between ska and
rocksteady is in the base line. a ska song will generally have a "walking"
bass line. something that would be very predictable and regular, you know,
straight quarters or whatever. in rocksteady, the bass line is more broken
up and syncopated. its generally much more interesting than a ska bass
line. plus, as the rough guide put it, rocksteady is just a whole lot
"cooler".
-Donald
MrRussII
>rocksteady is in the base line. a ska song will generally have a "walking"
>bass line. something that would be very predictable and regular, you know,
>straight quarters or whatever. in rocksteady, the bass line is more broken
>up and syncopated. its generally much more interesting than a ska bass
>line. plus, as the rough guide put it, rocksteady is just a whole lot
>"cooler".
I agree with the rough guides "cooler" statement, but I think that feel of
rocksteady comes from the cool vox. I've always thought the key factor in all
of it came from the soul influence. More soul, less jazz in rocksteady.
As far as the basslines, I think both ska and rocksteady use "walking" lines.
The diffreences you describe in the bass lines, in my opinion, seem to be the
differencr between ska/rocksteady and reggae basslines.
I'm gonna go have to listen to some stuff critically now to defend (or change
my mind) on what I just wrote.
russ
DrBassie
>differencr between ska/rocksteady and reggae basslines.
nope, rocksteady definitely has bass lines that are the root of the music. Ska
did have the walking bass lines usually, but there are exceptions to that rule
("Confucious", "Schooling the Duke", and "Addis Ababa" obvious ones).
Rocksteady definitely is more of a soul-based music.
>I'm gonna go have to listen to some stuff critically now to defend (or change
>my mind) on what I just wrote.
Yeah, you better do that ;)
Kyle
DrBa...@aol.com
MrRussII
>nope, rocksteady definitely has bass lines that are the root of the music.
>Ska
>did have the walking bass lines usually, but there are exceptions to that
>rule
>("Confucious", "Schooling the Duke", and "Addis Ababa" obvious ones).
>Rocksteady definitely is more of a soul-based music.
Ok, well I got the soul part right. And the ska mostly with walking basslines.
And reggae without. Do I get a C+?
So you're saying the rocksteady basslines are closer to those of reggae than to
the walking ones of ska?
>>I'm gonna go have to listen to some stuff critically now to defend (or
>change
>>my mind) on what I just wrote.
>
>Yeah, you better do that ;)
>
Alton Ellis going on, right now!
See, good things can from the "does ska need horns?" threads!
russ
JMenapace1
>isnt everything NoFX does supposed to be taken in jest? like their
>straightedge
>cover..
HAHAHA, yeah, I suppose so, pretty much.
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Chryppndae wrote in message <19990313235045...@ng26.aol.com>...
>the neverending question of......
>DOES SKA NEED HORNS????????????
The ending answer of... no.
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acknowledge that fact...
ec
Michael de los Santos
it's an inbetween as oppossed to one or the other. Ska has many
swing/big band bass lines. Reggae is basically identifiable by a slower
offbeat sound AND syncopated bass. <--- That's an important aspect, and
in my opinion makes reggae alot more listenable. Not that I have a
problem w/ ska (I used to play a little), but reggae can be deep and
brooding.
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Darren Pakravan
>
> the neverending question of......
> DOES SKA NEED HORNS????????????
Question's over. Answer: no.
Look at the Bluebeats, Animal Chin, Suicide Machines, etc...
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>
> StrumR74 wrote in message <19990314024252...@ng03.aol.com>...
> >YES< without horns, ska isnt ska, it is punk!!!!
> >I am a horn player, so i beleive this to be true!!!
>
> hmm....if the skatalites didn't have horns....they'd be punk....me thinks
> not.
no dude theyd be regay
Darren Pakravan
>
> Sure ska didnt start out with horns but the 2nd and 3rd waves are played with
> horns and directly because the y are the 2nd and 3rd waves. The new variety
> mixed in with rock-a-billy and the "new" rock n roll of the 50's set a new
> standard....ska without horns is either a trad ska or is a type of music that
> i happen to love even though they resemble the type of "off" ska i talked
> about. In a way, Noah i agree.....but what you liten to is tredy alternative
> off punk no horn wanna be ska...but what the hell....right??
>
> Andrea Peeples
I have no idea what you just said, but it all sounds wrong.
And I'm curious: can you walk and chew gum at the same time?
DrBassie
>to
>the walking ones of ska?
yeah, for the most part......there is that wierd transition period in late 1966
where it's too slow to be considered ska and not quite "rocksteady". During
that time it was kind of mixed between the two.
Kyle
DrBa...@aol.com
Noah Schaffer
>Is it just a strange coincidence that your name is the combination of Moon
>Record's two biggest men besides Bucket?
Uh oh, looks like someone figured me out!
Noah Schaffer
Worcester MA
Adam
>the neverending question of......
>DOES SKA NEED HORNS????????????
Listen to Ernest Ranglin's solo cd with the rhythm section from the
Skatalites. That should answer your question
Adam
Xtreme0921
are heavily influenced by the ska sound and the ska beats beat if you hear any
of there albumns they have a wonderful mixture of ska pnk and hardcore and im
sure it does not stop there
so thats it
~~Justin DeVico~~
~East Coast Fuck You- Bouncing Souls
LatinGoSka
>are heavily influenced by the ska sound and the ska beats beat if you hear
>any
>of there albumns they have a wonderful mixture of ska pnk and hardcore and im
>sure it does not stop there
>so thats it
>
>~~Justin DeVico~~
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