ska fan=rude boy?
Gerrard A. Lindsay
not mow, not ever.
not anymore than reggae or oi! fan=skinhead.
rude boy is a cult, and you do disrespect to real rudies when you call
yourself something you're not.not to mention, if you ain't rude you can't
be a rude bwoy.
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Gerrard botb
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Driftless Artist Cooperative
loves ska and is really into the scene. Its not fashion, it's
not a popularity contest. It's just a true love and obession
for ska music.
JOSH
SoulSka
sounds, has to do with it, so does a strong sense of history...
but that's just my take on things... any comments? -SoulSka
Gerrard A. Lindsay
: So what is your definition of a rudeboy? Mine is just a guy who
rude boy, like skinhead or mod, is a cult.it does require dedication to
fashion and lifestyle.using your logic anyone who listens to reggae is a
skinhead.nope.
a skater with baggy pants can love ska with all of his heart, that
doesn't make him rude, and definitely doesn't make him a rudeboy.
it really bothers me when people do disrespect to dedicated rudies by
wearing rude patches on skate shirts, or rave jackets.try going to
jamaica in the sixties and telling people in kingston that you're a rude
boy...
Michelle Chen
Artist Cooperative <d...@mail.lc.centuryinter.net>' wrote:
>So what is your definition of a rudeboy? Mine is just a guy who
>loves ska and is really into the scene. Its not fashion, it's
>not a popularity contest. It's just a true love and obession
>for ska music.
delinquents who dressed sharp and looked cool. I guess rudeboys nowadays
are just emulating their predecessors. Many ska bands make references to
gangsters and whatnot. But if you're going to think a being a rudeboy as a
cult that has to be just like the original rudies, then that doesn't leave
much room for much else. And I don't think rudegirls appeared until the
two tone era, and I doubt many of them were gangsters ;p. But Gerrard has
a point when he suggests that there's an attitude that accompanies the
music.
Michelle
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Jason B Tarman
suit and dark wraps and buys the latest moon releases then they are a
Rude boy because of their clothes. Bullshit. I'd say the most important
part is that they're into the music and its roots, Not necessarily the
dress. Rude, to me, is about music. And although I choose to wear the
clothes I don't get into the ruder than you bullshit just because someone
doesn't dress rude. If they know how to dance and they know what the
scene and the music is all about then they have as much right to call
themselves rude as you (who have all the "rude clothes"). It's about Ska
not fashion!
"Ska is the father of Rocksteady; Grandfather of Reggae music. Which came
first the chicken or the egg? Go back to the original farm." The Skatalites
Jason Tarman - Jabsconians- jta...@willamette.edu
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On 4 Feb 1996, Gerrard A. Lindsay wrote:
> Driftless Artist Cooperative (d...@mail.lc.centuryinter.net) wrote:
> : So what is your definition of a rudeboy? Mine is just a guy who
> : loves ska and is really into the scene. Its not fashion, it's
> : not a popularity contest. It's just a true love and obession
> : for ska music.
SoulSka
mod or skin, this is very true. I guess the lifestyle is kinda mod-esque
the clothes certainly are....
Anyway, I guess for all intents and porposes, I'm a "rude boy' (although
classifying people always was silly to me) and this is what I'm all
about..
hang out at the coffehouse with mates
have a few beers maybe
go record shoping
go clothes shoping
talk ska and soul with friends
drive around the city and sing-a-long with Desmond Dekker
read---literature and political theory
dress-up, go out and dance
go to ever ska show even if you don't like the band...just out of devotion
stuff like that...is that a RUDE BOY LIFESTYLE? your comments?
--->SoulSka
sexiest man in East Bumf***
>In Article <4f30t9$e...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU>
>gal...@is.nyu.edu (Gerrard A. Lindsay) writes:
>>Driftless Artist Cooperative (d...@mail.lc.centuryinter.net) wrote:
>>: So what is your definition of a rudeboy? Mine is just a guy who
>>: loves ska and is really into the scene. Its not fashion, it's
>>: not a popularity contest. It's just a true love and obession
>>: for ska music.
>>: JOSH
>
>>rude boy, like skinhead or mod, is a cult.it does require dedication to
>>fashion and lifestyle.using your logic anyone who listens to reggae is a
>>skinhead.nope.
>
>and he had a flattop, and he called himself a skin. And apparently, the other
>skins agreed with him.
>
>>it really bothers me when people do disrespect to dedicated rudies by
>>wearing rude patches on skate shirts, or rave jackets.try going to
>>jamaica in the sixties and telling people in kingston that you're a rude
>>boy...
>
>sixties. I doubt many of even the most serious rudeboys around today would
>have been taken very seriously there, anyways. It seems like "rudeboy" is a
>lot harder to pin down than "skin" or "mod" these days.
>
>Not that it really matters, or anything.
>Morgan.
>
Thankyou!!! I glad someone finally put these idiots in their place!!
Righto guv'ner!!
Superfudge
>In Article <4f30t9$e...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU>
>gal...@is.nyu.edu (Gerrard A. Lindsay) writes:
>>it really bothers me when people do disrespect to dedicated rudies by
>>wearing rude patches on skate shirts, or rave jackets.try going to
>>jamaica in the sixties and telling people in kingston that you're a rude
>>boy...
>
>I don't know about you, but I don't live in Jamaica and I don't live in the
>sixties. I doubt many of even the most serious rudeboys around today would
>have been taken very seriously there, anyways.
Especially since back then a rude boy was just a trendy and expensively
dressed gangster hoodlum who didn't have any particular association with
ska fandom aside from being the subject of a great many ska songs...
By 60's definition, Snoop Dogg is a modern rude boy...
I don't particularly find the 60's rudeboys worthy of respect any
more than any other violent criminals or their supporters...
And as far as I am concerned, ska fans can dress how they please and
if they like ska patches, I don't think a flight jacket is required
to wear them...
scot
horsewater
sx...@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Austin R Shifrin
for the past 2 (why? I'm coming to that.) Since I've been at college,
and gotten net access, I've been "lurking" around this newsgroup,
reading frequently and following threads that interest me but rarely
secure enough in my knowlege to post. I feel more confident now.
Naturally this thread got my attention. Ever since I became more
involved in the scene, I wondered what defines a rude boy, and whether I
would ever be one or if it was a boundary I'd already crossed.
Recently, I saw this:
Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.ska: 8-Feb-96 Re: ska fan=rude boy? by
Sou...@aol.com
>
> hang out at the coffehouse with mates
> have a few beers maybe
> go record shoping
> go clothes shoping
> talk ska and soul with friends
> drive around the city and sing-a-long with Desmond Dekker
> read---literature and political theory
> dress-up, go out and dance
> go to ever ska show even if you don't like the band...just out of devotion
>
I'd say this post is the most realistic, least extremist account
we've heard so far. Clearly, being rude has an element of dedication to
the music, and an element of dress and appearance, not just one or the
other. And as much as some of us may wish we could refer to the
original rude boys for comparison, I don't think it's appropriate: We
live in a different country, under a different economy, and even the
music itself has changed a lot since then.
Now, I'm not saying SoulSka has the be-all, end-all definition here,
but I think that the people who've been saying that it's all in the
dress OR it's all in the dedication were being too lenient. I think
that if (referring back to the excerpt)
- you shell out money for the music and clothes, however you got it
- talk about ska, given half a chance
- listen to it all the time
- dress up and go to shows
- defend even the types of ska that aren't your fave because, hey, it's SKA
...then you might be a rude boy (apologies to Jeff Foxworthy). I
welcome responses, and thanks for your time.
Austin
Jenn Starkman
Jason B Tarman (jta...@willamette.edu) writes:
> Oh ok by your standards then if someone goes out and buys a sharkskin
> suit and dark wraps and buys the latest moon releases then they are a
> Rude boy because of their clothes. Bullshit. I'd say the most important
> part is that they're into the music and its roots, Not necessarily the
> dress. Rude, to me, is about music. And although I choose to wear the
> clothes I don't get into the ruder than you bullshit just because someone
> doesn't dress rude. If they know how to dance and they know what the
> scene and the music is all about then they have as much right to call
> themselves rude as you (who have all the "rude clothes"). It's about Ska
> not fashion!
Actually, it's about *both*.
The two aren't mutually exclusive, you know. The ska is indeed the
cornerstone of it, but the style is important to, because it's part of
identifying yourself to others as a rudie, and part of the whole
subculture. You can be that the old Jamaican gangsters wouldn't have been
likely to go out in baggy jeans 'n t-shirts. Hell, that's part of the
reason they *were* described as "rude"--'cause they were so stylin'.
The clothes arent' everything, but they're far from inconsequential either...
Jenn
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Gerrard A. Lindsay
: scot
: horsewater
: sx...@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
if people don't like rudeboys, why take their name?
if you don't look to the original rudeboys for inspiration, you are not a
rudeboy.
i have never said that every ska fan has to be a rudeboy or dress like a
rudeboy (i'm not).my point is simple, if you are not into the rudeboy
cult, liking ska does not make you rude...
Gerrard A. Lindsay
: I've been listening to ska for 3 years now, and consider myself rude
austin, not to speak for soulska, but i tend to think he agrees with me.
the point of my original post was ska fan does not equal rudeboy.rave
kids who also like ska are not rude.hippies are not rude.the event that
inspired my post was seeing a rave shirt with rudeboy written on it and a
2tone logo.i love ska, but i am not a rudeboy.i still have not heard one
person disagree with me on my original point NOT EVERY SKA FAN IS A RUDEBOY!!
pw...@grove.iup.edu
back in the day: real rudeboy=thug. it was an insult.
today: rudeboy=guy who likes ska and wears suits to the show. not an insult; a
cultural definition, like punk, hippy, whatever...
Milt
i really don't know nuthin'...
mor...@yin.earlham.edu
sexiest man in East Bumf*** <obr...@midcoast.com> writes:
>mor...@yin.earlham.edu wrote:
>>In Article <4f30t9$e...@cmcl2.NYU.EDU>
>>gal...@is.nyu.edu (Gerrard A. Lindsay) writes:
>>>fashion and lifestyle.using your logic anyone who listens to reggae is a
>>>skinhead.nope.
>>
>>I don't know. I met this guy once, he was wearing a sweatshirt and sneakers
>>and he had a flattop, and he called himself a skin. And apparently, the other
>>skins agreed with him.
>>
>>>wearing rude patches on skate shirts, or rave jackets.try going to
>>>jamaica in the sixties and telling people in kingston that you're a rude
>>>boy...
>>
>>I don't know about you, but I don't live in Jamaica and I don't live in the
>>sixties. I doubt many of even the most serious rudeboys around today would
>>lot harder to pin down than "skin" or "mod" these days.
>>
>>Not that it really matters, or anything.
>>Morgan.
>>
>Thankyou!!! I glad someone finally put these idiots in their place!!
>Righto guv'ner!!
Thanks, but actually I wasn't trying to be an asshole, for a change. My point
was, it's alot more meaningful to talk about a "dedicated" skinhead or a
"dedicated" mod than a "dedicated" rudeboy. Or girl. Because there seems to
be a stronger and more authentic connection between the originals and the ones
around today.
Personally I think it's pretty silly to consider it disrespectful of someone
to wear a bomber, a Perry, a "rudeboy" patch, a parka, a shaved head, a
porkpie, braces, or whatever just because of what they do or don't call
themselves. If it matters that much to you whether someone's a "serious
rudeboy", I'm sure you can figure out for yourself that some skater kid with
a patch isn't trying to fool anyone.
Yup,
Morgan.
"On a moving train, the time's the same but the leading clock...always...
runs...slow...BITCH!"
Big Black
Tedford
(Jenn Starkman) wrote:
> You can be that the old Jamaican gangsters wouldn't have been
> likely to go out in baggy jeans 'n t-shirts. Hell, that's part of the
> reason they *were* described as "rude"--'cause they were so stylin'.
I'll have to agree there; I don't consider myself a rudie just 'cause I
love ska. I don't dress in the three-button suit, porkpie. However,
doesn't mean that I'm any less dedicated to the music than any gangster
might be.
Tedford
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"Hamburgers and hot dogs, chips and onion dip, watermelon and Hawaiian Punch and Sips, don't forget the Oreos--Double Stuff, of....course!" DHC
Superfudge
>rave kids who also like ska are not rude.hippies are not rude.the event that
>inspired my post was seeing a rave shirt with rudeboy written on it and a
>2tone logo.i love ska, but i am not a rudeboy.i still have not heard one
>person disagree with me on my original point NOT EVERY SKA FAN IS A RUDEBOY!!
what I was disagreeing with in my post was the use of early jamaican
rudeboys as a jumping off point and something to be revered and respected.
I openly disrespect anyone who thinks a viscious gangster is something
noble and uses them as a role model.
Dressing like them is one thing, I guess, but respecting them is another.
non-rude scot
horsewater
Zeusz
> Someone said something about how Rdue bwoy is harder to pin down than
> mod or skin, this is very true. I guess the lifestyle is kinda mod-esque
> the clothes certainly are....
> Anyway, I guess for all intents and porposes, I'm a "rude boy' (although
> classifying people always was silly to me) and this is what I'm all
> about..
>
> have a few beers maybe
> go record shoping
> go clothes shoping
> talk ska and soul with friends
> drive around the city and sing-a-long with Desmond Dekker
> read---literature and political theory
> dress-up, go out and dance
> go to ever ska show even if you don't like the band...just out of devotion
>
> --->SoulSka
I think you are too romantic! It is not a RUDE BOY LIFESTYE, but this is a
lifestyle of a jamaican dandy, isn`t it?
Zeusz
Ishmael
they were rude because they were thugs, not because they was "stylin' "
not that they weren't stylin', that's just not the main reason why the were
"rude".
they're moms were probably like "buy, you need get yose'f a job! you just too
rude fo' your own good!"
get it? (sorry about the accent thing, but this is jamaica were talking about)
Milt
whatevuh...
Gerrard A. Lindsay
i don't think you can say it was an insult, look at the number of singers
who claimed to be 'ruder den rude'.it's weird how so many people make up
history...
Jenn Starkman
Ishmael (pw...@grove.iup.edu) writes:
> In article <tjuachon-120...@ppp91.monmouth.com>, tjua...@shell.monmouth.com (Tedford) writes:
>>In article <DMKMt...@freenet.carleton.ca>, bb...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>>(Jenn Starkman) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> likely to go out in baggy jeans 'n t-shirts. Hell, that's part of the
>>> reason they *were* described as "rude"--'cause they were so stylin'.
>
>
> not that they weren't stylin', that's just not the main reason why the were
> "rude".
I didn't say that it *was* the main reason. My exact words were "that's
part of the reason...(etc.)". They weren't *just* rude 'cause they were
thugs either--there were plenty of bullies/thugs, etc. who weren't
considered "rude" boys... What differentiated the rudies from any old
run-of-the-mill asshole was that whole slick-dressed gangster attitude/style.
In other words, the clothes aren't everything but they're not nothing either.
Jenn
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I will sleep with a clear conscience
I will sleep in peace" - S. O'Connor
dave
pw...@grove.iup.edu writes:
>.com (Tedford) writes:
>>In article <DMKMt...@freenet.carleton.ca>, bb...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA
>>(Jenn Starkman) wrote:
>>
>>
>>> likely to go out in baggy jeans 'n t-shirts. Hell, that's part of the
>>> reason they *were* described as "rude"--'cause they were so stylin'.
>>
>>love ska. I don't dress in the three-button suit, porkpie. However,
>>doesn't mean that I'm any less dedicated to the music than any gangster
>>might be.
>>
uhh ska fan=skinhead
rude boy=waste of college kid flesh with a big fat backpack
dave
check out "the skinternet"
http://haven.ios.com/~avidday/index.html
and buy a Heft 7"!!
Gerrard A. Lindsay
: In article <1996Feb16....@news.iup.edu> Ishmael,
i'm hoping you're joking and not just a dork...
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-the DiScOcKs
Gerrard botb
http://pages.nyu.edu/~gal6562
Michelle Chen
'pw...@grove.iup.edu (Ishmael)' wrote:
>they were rude because they were thugs, not because they was "stylin' "
>not that they weren't stylin', that's just not the main reason why the
were
>"rude".
>
too
>rude fo' your own good!"
>
>get it? (sorry about the accent thing, but this is jamaica were talking
about)
Michelle
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Michelle Chen
'Zine <avi...@haven.ios.com>' wrote:
>uhh ska fan=skinhead
>rude boy=waste of college kid flesh with a big fat backpack
>dave
Mr. Scholtens
<avi...@haven.ios.com> wrote:
> uhh ska fan=skinhead
> rude boy=waste of college kid flesh with a big fat backpack
What? Backpack? My ass.
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