Operation Ivy Influence
rudesmurf
Why is it that some or even many bands (3rd wave) cite Op Ivy as an
influence. For instance, why was there a tribute album for them? Were
they the first to infuse ska with punk?
Any info would be great.
Thanks,
Wingzie
>Can someone please explain the extent of Op Ivy's influence on ska-punk?
>Why is it that some or even many bands (3rd wave) cite Op Ivy as an
>influence. For instance, why was there a tribute album for them? Were
>they the first to infuse ska with punk?
>
umm...one of the first..i think someone pointed out that fishbone was
first..but i'm not sure
oh well...noooo moreee badtownnnnn
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Offbeat78
>>they the first to infuse ska with punk?
wouldn't it be arguable to say that the specials were the first to mix de ska
wid de punk (an offense which they should've been shot for)
-the other (corporate executive) kim
MattNorge
>Why is it that some or even many bands (3rd wave) cite Op Ivy as an
>they the first to infuse ska with punk?
i say the Clash fused ska (reggae) with punk firstly.
Matteos
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CD booklet, Jesse is wearing a Clash t-shirt..... Kinda tells you where they
got some of their ideas.
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>I don't know if many people notice this, but in a couple of photos in the
>OpIvy
>CD booklet, Jesse is wearing a Clash t-shirt..... Kinda tells you where they
>got some of their ideas.
>
Jesse said it himself:
"If the Clash never existed, Op Ivy wouldn't have either"
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>Why is it that some or even many bands (3rd wave) cite Op Ivy as an
>influence. For instance, why was there a tribute album for them? Were
>they the first to infuse ska with punk?
>
>
>
If it was not for Operation Ivy, the punk community would not be into ska,
NOBODY would know what the word "ska" means, and there would be no
alt.music.ska. Operation Ivy was one of the most seminal bands in the last 30
years. In 1987 nobody knew what the heck ska was but they sure liked Op Ivy's
sound.
LngGoneBON
>wid de punk (an offense which they should've been shot for)
>
>-the other (corporate executive) kim
>
and then in return , whoever shot them would have to face the wrait of
MEEEEE!!!!!
PEACEandUNITY BIG j
Wingzie
>alt.music.ska.
umm..no.....
HENCHMYN
side of it... I mean, their songs were pretty simplistic and I think a lot
of people are influenced by bands that are more inovative musically, you
know? But, there's just something about Operation Ivy that you have to love
and want to emulate in your music... I think it's just the energy and heart
that you can hear even by just listening to the CD. Not to mention, the
lyrics are fucking poetry... I mean, they really speak to a lot of people
and are really well-crafted. I know my band is very heavily influenced by
bands like Let's Go Bowling who are extremely talented musicians (you can
see it in their horn lines, solos, and everywhere else in the music), but
also by bands like Operation Ivy who just have so much emotion in all of
their songs. At least, that's my take...
-Adam
Check out the HENCHMYN SKA CORNER to see what's up with the Santa Barbara,
CA 8-piece ska band HENCHMYN at:
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rudesmurf wrote in message <71vrap$f0a$1...@birch.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...
>Can someone please explain the extent of Op Ivy's influence on ska-punk?
>Why is it that some or even many bands (3rd wave) cite Op Ivy as an
>influence. For instance, why was there a tribute album for them? Were
>they the first to infuse ska with punk?
>
>Any info would be great.
>
>Thanks,
>
>rma...@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
rudesmurf
JMenapace1
human tragedy. In this sense, it works towards a reconciled world. It can also
be the direct experience of chamge. At certain points during some shows, the
reconciled world is already here, at least in that second, in that place.
Operation Ivy was very lucky to have experienced this. Those seconds reveal
that the momentum that drives a subculture is more important than any
particular band. The momentum is made of all the people who stay interested,
and keep their sense of urgency and hope." -Jesse Michaels, in the liner to
Energy
______________
During the Cold War, Operation: IVY's culmination, a 10 megaton Hyrdrogen bomb
known as IVY-Mike hit an island with such devastating unbridled force that the
land would never be the same again. It was the first test of a Hyrdrogen bomb,
conducted by the US of A. In 1987, a band would form that would blast both the
ska and punk scenes with equal force, however, not with a message of war and
violence, but of peace and hope.
Operation Ivy, quite simply, just may be the best band there ever was, in my
opinion. When they came together in 1987, they weren't the first band to fuse
punk and ska. The Mighty Mighty Bosstones and Fishbone had already been doing
it for a little while. Even the British bands of the Two Tone wave had drawn
from the early British punk scene, if not musically, thematically. So, why 4
East Bay punk kids so special? Perhaps, its because they weren't the first to
do it, but they did it so damned well. They were more than just a band, they
were a revolution, a revolution pressed to vinyl, and streched across cassette
reel. They were the screams of an angry youth demanding that a world, rapidly
spinning out of control, look at itself in the mirror, see how fucked up it
was, and then do something about it. Their sound was in no way refined, but in
the raw fury of their words, one cannot help but FEEL their message. And that
is probably why the band is still so popular and influential today, almost 10
years after they played their last show at Gilman St. in Berkeley, CA. Take
these words of wisdom from their song "Freeze Up":
"It's 1989, stand up, and take a look around
Weather's bitter, tension, it seems is sinking down.
Drunk with power, and fighting one another
Every hour shows the winter getting harder."
Now take that excerpt, and replace 1989, with 1999. It's almost here, and how
much has really changed? The message of OpIvy is as relevant and desparate
today as it ever was.
In 1987, four young men from Berkeley, CA came together to form a band that
would change the face of ska. At the time, their names were Jesse Micheals, Tim
Armstrong, Matt Freeman, and Dave Mello. However, Jesse would give Freeman the
name "Matt McCall," after the Equalizer character McCall. Armstrong was given
the name Lint, exactly how is a mystery to me. Anyway, on a fateful in May,
1987, they first took the stage as "Operation Ivy." On that same weekend, they
would play their first show at Gilman Street, which would become their very
favorite, and most frequently revisited, gig. The band was met with more than
open arms by the Oakland ska/punk scene. By their second show, according to
Jesse, the audience was already joining together and singing along to their
lyrics, and, in doing so, they were living the message of Operation Ivy:
"Unity! As one stand together! Unity! Evolution's gonna come!" With only three
months as a band under their belt, OpIvy was added to the track list for
Maximum Rock 'n Roll's comp, Turn It Around. OpIvy contributed "Officer," a
fiery song condemning police who use their power irresponsibly, and "I Got No,"
a song about nearly slipping into the hell of the drug induced burnout
lifestyle, but being saved (tragically, after the bands breakup, Lint would
fall into the same pit Jesse sang of escaping, but would be saved, largely by
Matt). In January of 1988, the band released their first solo record, a
LOOKOUT produced extended 7" called Hectic. It included some of the bands most
memorable work, most notably the energy filled "Yellin' in My Ear" and the
OpIvy classic, "Healthy Body." After that release, OpIvy began their long,
glorious tour, which would take them across the United States, TOTALLY in the
comfort of Matt's '69 Chrysler Newport four-door. In January of 1989, they
scrapped the idea of a live-from-Gilman album, and began working a studio LP
with Kevin Army of Sound & Vision. The album, simply titled Energy, after
Jesse's vivid verbal descriptions of the energy he delighted in observing at
the crowds at OpIvy shows, came out in May of 1989, two years after their very
first gig. It was their first ever full length LP, put out by LOOKOUT, and what
an LP it was! A whopping 19 songs long, it is hailed by many as the greatest
punk/ska album ever produced, with many of the band's legendary hits. The
themes explored on Energy are universal, and run the gamut from uncertainty
about the future in "Knowledge", the desensitization of people in general in
"Vulnerability", the dangers and emptiness of irresponsible sex in "Smiling",
the falsehood of sellouts and trednies in "Artificial Life," unity in, well,
"Unity", the deterioration of society in the aforementioned "Freeze Up," and
music's, particularly ska's, ability to bring people together and, even for a
minute, erase all problems in the world (once again a favorite theme of
Jesse's) in "Sound System". What's so great about Energy is that with all these
messages, the band sounds great in the delivery, driving home great, fun music
that can make you skank just as easily as it makes you think. Plus, it contains
some purely fun songs, such as the wonderful "Bankshot", a kickin' ska
instrumental that is one of the easiest songs to skank to, ever. The cover of
Energy has become an icon in and of itself. A simplified silhouette of the
rudeboy featured prominently, and in much greater detail, on the cover of
Hectic, the Energy cover became the symbol of the band. Even those that have
never heard the words "Operation" and "Ivy" in the same sentence have most
likely seen the symbol, adorning the t-shirts, patches, or hand drawn
whatevers, even today. Alas, for all the glory that Energy was, it, coupled
with the tour, represented the final glory of Operation Ivy. When the album was
released that May, the decision had already been made the OpIvy was going to
disband. It was almost 2 years exactly from their first show at Gilman, when
they returned, to play there one final time, with some 185 shows in between.
They wanted to leave their fans, and future generations, with their strongest
message, so the last song ever played by Operation Ivy, as Operation Ivy, was
their anthem, "Unity." After they left, all that remained of this amazing band
was buzzing and noise from the taxed amps and speakers, when the crowd of over
700 all rushed the stage, picked up the equipment, and continued to sing, in
perfect Unity, exactly as the band had prescribed. That is Operation Ivy.
Lint says, in the liner for "Plea For Peace," a 7" released after the band's
dissolution:
"Things were pretty shitty for me before Gilman, before OpIvy, but those two
years were some of the best times I've ever had."
It's almost ten years later, but Operation Ivy lives on...
Operation Ivy may be seen by trendies as a forgettable band, not even worthy of
exploration. But a band like this can never truly die. Their influence is seen
today, whether directly, through the legions of young fans who learned of the
band years after they were already gone (myself included, I was 8 when they
broke up), who continue to proudly sport the Energy silhouette to show their
love for a band long gone, or indirectly, through their imapct on so many of
today's ska and punk bands. I'm sure many MTV fans would be surprised to know
that Green Day, in their more pure punk days on LOOKOUT, covered OpIvy's
classic "Knowledge" on their EP Slappy. Even more recently, Reel Big Fish, the
ska band who have climbed into the top three most commercially successful ska
bands of all time with their hit "Sellout" (addendum from when I first wrote
this: DIE, RBF, DIE!), cover the classic "Unity", both on Take Warning, an
OpIvy tribute comp, and their own release, Keep Your Receipt. Take Warning is a
tip of the hat to OpIvy which features many luminaries of today's ska scene,
including, in addition to RBF, swing ska stars the Cherry Poppin' Daddies and
comic book ska goofballs the AquaBats. Daddies frontman Steve Perry says, "I
love Jesse's lyrics. They describe a fleeting instant during a really great
show-freedom, release, hope, and unity."
Furthermore, though they may not BE Operation Ivy anymore, the boys are still
there. In 1989, Elyse Rogers decided on Berkeley for college, for the express
purpose of checking out OpIvy. Unluckily for her, she arrived two weeks after
the breakup... But, as fate would have it, while she was sitting on a curb in
Berkeley one day depressed about OpIvy, who should she meet but members of a
new band, who had a close connection to Lint and Matt...they were in their new
band. She was invited her to sing with them on a project they were staring up
known as the Dance Hall Crashers. Elyse was ecstatic, and joined up right then
and there. Soon, Lint and Matt were gone from DHC, but others came in to play
with Elyse, and DHC continue today as one of the funkiest and funniest
chick-ska bands around, which might have never happened if not for Elyse's
adoration for the four youths from East Bay.
Perhaps even more notably, and more recognizably, was what Lint and Matt did
two years AFTER leaving DHC. As the pressures of a youth spent in a band too
legendary to be handled too soon, Lint unfortunately succumbed to alcoholism
and addiction to various drugs, particularly pills. However, it would
ultimately be his friend Matt who would save him, when he was at his lowest:
completely down and out and living in a Salvation Army Shelter. It seems Lint
went back to using his given name of Tim Armstrong, while McCall when back to
Matt Freeman. And at that time, they hooked up with stickman Brett Reed, to
release a little old extended 7" for LOOKOUT under the moniker of RANCID, the
final part of Tim's recovery. In '93, Rancid added UK Subs' guitarist Lars
Frederiksen, and released their first self-titled release on major punk label
Epitaph. They followed with Let's Go just a year later in 1994, and ANOTHER
year begat another album, this one 1995's mega-hit ...And Out Come the Wolves
which even produced two commercial successes, the popular ska-jam "Time Bomb",
and the punk smash "Ruby Soho", which even had a video made that was in MTV's
roation for awhile (perish the thought...). After subsequent years of
relentless touring, Rancid added 1998's "Life Won't Wait" to their discography,
their most bold and diverse album to date, where they simultaneously go forward
and backwards...expanding and evolving Rancid's raw punk fury, while returning
to the ska roots of Op Ivy, and even paying tribute to reggae and second and
first wave style ska that they enjoyed as youths. As far as they have come in
the years that followed, though, Tim and Matt will never forget their days as
Lint and McCall, in Operation Ivy. One of the most heartfelt and emotional
tracks on ...And Out Come the Wolves is the bittersweet "Journey to the End of
East Bay," written by Tim, about the OpIV days, from beginning to end,
including the massive US tour in Matt's Chrysler, excerpted here:
"Reconcile to the belief
Consumed in sacred ground for me
There wasn't always a place to go
But there was always an urgent need to belong
All these bands and
All these people,
All these friends and
We were equals, but
What you gonna do
When everybody goes on without you
To the end, to the end, I'll journey to the end
To the end, to the end, I'll journey to the end
To the end, end, to the end to the end,
I'll journey to the end.
Started in '87,
Ended in '89
You got a garage or an amp,
We'll play anytime.
It was just the four of us,
Yea man, the core of us.
Too much attention unaviodably destroyed us.
Four kids on tour
3000 miles
In a four door car, not knowing what was going on
And, we got a million years
Of touring out like this,
Hell no, no premonition could have saved us..."
Haole
offb...@aol.comutation (Offbeat78) wrote:
> >Were
> >>they the first to infuse ska with punk?
> wouldn't it be arguable to say that the specials were the first to mix de ska
> wid de punk (an offense which they should've been shot for)
Then we would have to argue about whether the Clash or the Specials did
that first....
But Op Ivy were among the first to fuse American Hardcore and ska.
> -the other (corporate executive) kim
-Haole, who can think of earlier attempts
--
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I just wanna leave town
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Haole
bossh...@aol.com (BossHogg00) wrote:
(snip)
> If it was not for Operation Ivy, the punk community would not be into ska,
> NOBODY would know what the word "ska" means, and there would be no
> alt.music.ska. Operation Ivy was one of the most seminal bands in the last 30
> years. In 1987 nobody knew what the heck ska was but they sure liked Op Ivy's
> sound.
I could not disagree more. I think Op Ivy took off precisely because
late-80s punks were rediscovering ska, fueled in part by the growth of the
skinhead movement.
-Haole, who was into ska long before Op Ivy came around
MattNorge
>> >>they the first to infuse ska with punk?
>
>> wouldn't it be arguable to say that the specials were the first to mix de
>ska
>> wid de punk (an offense which they should've been shot for)
>
>Then we would have to argue about whether the Clash or the Specials did
>that first....
let's not forget that the Specials used to open up shows for the Clash.
Wingzie
LngGoneBON
>
american hardcore, and op ivy dont really fit well togehter do they???
PEACEandUNITY BIG j
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PYZM
infuser ska and punk. But by todays standards they hardly are ska punk(though
were considered that 20 years ago). By today's standards Murphys Law had some
ska parts in 86 and some definite "ska-core bands" but it was basically a joke,
and they are hardly a ska-core band. The bosstones had a ska-core sound in 87
but they drastically differed from op ivy in the sense that they had a flat out
hardcore part and then a super upbeat w/ horn in another part of the same
song. Op Iv had the ska upbeat got rid of the horns and organs, had punk
lyrics and played punk w/ and upbeat guitar. A sound which no one had at the
time. Skankin Pickle was formed around the same time as op ivy, but i have not
heard their 80s songs (namely the song under the name skankhead on the skaface
comp) so as far as i'm concerned they won't ska punk then. Also ska-reggae-
hardcore band- sic and mad were formed in 86 but again I have not heard any of
there real early stuff. Bands like fishbone, as well as ny citizens and public
service had some punk influence but they also had funk metal, pop, new wave,
old school rap and a mess of other sounds so you couldnt call it ska-punk.
As far as op iv influenced I'd check out the readymen there like a mix between
op iv and london calling era clash
Wingzie
>service had some punk influence but they also had funk metal, pop, new wave,
>old school rap and a mess of other sounds so you couldnt call it ska-punk.
seeing public service in this post amused me
mrs...@erols.com
> >>they the first to infuse ska with punk?
>
> wouldn't it be arguable to say that the specials were the first to mix de ska
> wid de punk (an offense which they should've been shot for)
To tell the truth, I think the Specials played "punk" the way a lot of
ska-punk bands today play "ska": they listened to it, and played with that
kind of bands, and they considered it to be an influence on their music, but
I just don't HEAR it in what they played. I agree that the Specials INTENDED
to mix ska and punk, but I think that they actually DID it to a pretty
negligeable degree.
My guess for "first ska-punk": "Dope for guns" by the Ruts, although I'd have
to check the date. Anyone?
Morgan.
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mrs...@erols.com
matt...@aol.com (MattNorge) wrote:
> >Can someone please explain the extent of Op Ivy's influence on ska-punk?
> >Why is it that some or even many bands (3rd wave) cite Op Ivy as an
> >they the first to infuse ska with punk?
>
Have you heard the Ruts? I think they did a much better job of actually
PLAYING the reggae that they were mixing with punk. The Clash were a great
band, but they basically got by on songwriting; their rhythm section was
completely stiff. Especially on their earlier albums. The Ruts, on the other
hand, had the reggae rhythm going on even when they played punk.
Morgan.
PS. Their records are kind of hard to find; the thing that pops up most often
is an album they did with the Mad Professor as "Ruts DC". It's straight up
dub/reggae, and not as interesting as their earlier stuff.
Mark Sr
>
> In article <19981106191209...@ng115.aol.com>,
> offb...@aol.comutation (Offbeat78) wrote:
> > >>they the first to infuse ska with punk?
> >
> > wid de punk (an offense which they should've been shot for)
>
> To tell the truth, I think the Specials played "punk" the way a lot of
> ska-punk bands today play "ska": they listened to it, and played with that
> kind of bands, and they considered it to be an influence on their music, but
> I just don't HEAR it in what they played. I agree that the Specials INTENDED
> to mix ska and punk, but I think that they actually DID it to a pretty
> negligeable degree.
>
> My guess for "first ska-punk": "Dope for guns" by the Ruts, although I'd have
> to check the date. Anyone?
>
> Morgan.
>
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
What year was that song? I've been thinking that the song that had the
main influence on ska-punk and skacore was Case's single "oh." It came
out in early 1979, and it blended oi! with really fast 2-tone. you can
hear it on Ska Wars, Skaville UK, and I don't remember whatelse.
mrs...@erols.com
Mar...@qnet.com wrote:
> mrs...@erols.com wrote:
> >
> > To tell the truth, I think the Specials played "punk" the way a lot of
> > ska-punk bands today play "ska": they listened to it, and played with that
> > kind of bands, and they considered it to be an influence on their music, but
> > I just don't HEAR it in what they played. I agree that the Specials INTENDED
> > to mix ska and punk, but I think that they actually DID it to a pretty
> > negligeable degree.
> >
> > My guess for "first ska-punk": "Dope for guns" by the Ruts, although I'd
> > have to check the date. Anyone?
>
> main influence on ska-punk and skacore was Case's single "oh." It came
> out in early 1979, and it blended oi! with really fast 2-tone. you can
> hear it on Ska Wars, Skaville UK, and I don't remember whatelse.
Good call! I'm not sure of the date on "Dope for guns", because it's a bonus
track on the reissue of their album. I think it was one of their earlier
singles, though. To tell the truth, I'd say that "Oh!" was more a precursor
to 3rd wave ska than actual ska-punk but that probably isn't a hair worth
splitting. The really uncanny thing about that song, though, is how much
the vocals on the chorus sound EXACTLY like the Offspring. Seriously;
check out any of the earlier Offspring records and listen to the inevitable
part where he goes "Whoa-oh, oh, oh, oh-OH!"
Morgan.
PS. Does anyone know if case ever put out anything else? I always suspected
it was a one-off side project, like Plastic Gangsters/4 Skins.
derf
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(LngGoneBON) wrote:
i guess it depends on how you define american hardcore. i mean hardcore from
DC sounds loads different from that of LA or New York or Boston or San
Francisco.
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derf
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PYZM
the last 25 years and the oi skins were basically punks. Not to mention ska
has always been close to punk ever since 2tone so(despite operation iv being a
great band) don't give too much credit. & the only reason they got popular is
when greenday became popular(5 years after they broke Up). So why don't you
thank them for the ska's poularity
Wingzie
he's got a point..green day's knowledge cover gave op ivy ALOT of exposure
derf
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In article <19981111154655...@ng142.aol.com>,
win...@aol.comedianHA (Wingzie) wrote:
>he's got a point..green day's knowledge cover gave op ivy ALOT of exposure
yeah, especially when someone told all the "dookie" kids the Green Day
wasn't a new band and had older albums....
Wingzie
>
>>he's got a point..green day's knowledge cover gave op ivy ALOT of exposure
>
>
>yeah, especially when someone told all the "dookie" kids the Green Day
>wasn't a new band and had older albums....
>
>
are you shittin me?
derf
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In article <19981111180557...@ng104.aol.com>,
win...@aol.comedianHA (Wingzie) wrote:
>>
>>yeah, especially when someone told all the "dookie" kids the Green Day
>>wasn't a new band and had older albums....
>>
>>
>
>are you shittin me?
depends on what you mean.... first of all am "I" shitting you? no, the fact
is when dookie became a hit a lot of people thought they were new and then
found out they had other records so they bought the other albums, found the
opivy cover, decided that if green day covered em they had to be cool and
became fans based on that. i know a few of those people actually, so i know
of what i speak (the fact that none of these people own an opivy related cd,
except maybe the tribute, makes this phenomenon really bothersom to me)
Wingzie
>>>
>>>yeah, especially when someone told all the "dookie" kids the Green Day
>>>wasn't a new band and had older albums....
>>>
>>>
>>
>>are you shittin me?
>
>
>depends on what you mean.... first of all am "I" shitting you? no, the fact
>is when dookie became a hit a lot of people thought they were new and then
>found out they had other records so they bought the other albums, found the
>opivy cover, decided that if green day covered em they had to be cool and
>became fans based on that. i know a few of those people actually, so i know
>of what i speak (the fact that none of these people own an opivy related cd,
>except maybe the tribute, makes this phenomenon really bothersom to me)
>
>
sarcasm..lots of it..
mrs...@erols.com
py...@aol.com (PYZM) wrote:
> bull shit what the hell do you call skinheads they listened to ska and punk for
> the last 25 years and the oi skins were basically punks. Not to mention ska
> has always been close to punk ever since 2tone so(despite operation iv being a
> great band) don't give too much credit. & the only reason they got popular is
> when greenday became popular(5 years after they broke Up). So why don't you
> thank them for the ska's poularity
I disagree. I don't know ANYONE who'd heard of Greenday before Operation Ivy.
You may have gotten into them that way, and you may know people who did as
well, but Operation Ivy were plenty well known before that.
Morgan.
Darren Pakravan
>
> In article <19981111112757...@ng45.aol.com>,
> py...@aol.com (PYZM) wrote:
> > bull shit what the hell do you call skinheads they listened to ska and punk for
> > the last 25 years and the oi skins were basically punks. Not to mention ska
> > has always been close to punk ever since 2tone so(despite operation iv being a
> > great band) don't give too much credit. & the only reason they got popular is
> > when greenday became popular(5 years after they broke Up). So why don't you
> > thank them for the ska's poularity
>
> I disagree. I don't know ANYONE who'd heard of Greenday before Operation Ivy.
> You may have gotten into them that way, and you may know people who did as
> well, but Operation Ivy were plenty well known before that.
>
> Morgan.
>
from listening to the tape in a friend's car.
--
Darren Pakravan
half-...@nwu.edu
***this is my real email***
Half-Assed Radio:
http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~dcp210/halfass.htm
mrs...@erols.com
Darren Pakravan <sp...@sucks.shit> wrote:
> mrs...@erols.com wrote:
> >
> > In article <19981111112757...@ng45.aol.com>,
> > py...@aol.com (PYZM) wrote:
> > > bull shit what the hell do you call skinheads they listened to ska and punk for
> > > the last 25 years and the oi skins were basically punks. Not to mention ska
> > > has always been close to punk ever since 2tone so(despite operation iv being a
> > > great band) don't give too much credit. & the only reason they got popular is
> > > when greenday became popular(5 years after they broke Up). So why don't you
> > > thank them for the ska's poularity
> >
> > I disagree. I don't know ANYONE who'd heard of Greenday before Operation Ivy.
> > You may have gotten into them that way, and you may know people who did as
> > well, but Operation Ivy were plenty well known before that.
> >
> from listening to the tape in a friend's car.
Fair enough. I was trying to explain that Greenday covering "Knowledge" wasn't
the only thing that got people listening to Operation Ivy.
Wingzie
i was looking at it in the context that green day popularized lookout..
Moonkey 80
>i was looking at it in the context that green day popularized lookout..
I don't know if "popularized" it would be right... 'cos I still wear some of my
Lookout! clothes [my hoodies and t-shirts] and people are like, 'Huh? Lookout?
What's that?'
I think it's just that they're more wellknown than some of the others... but I
wouldn't say popular, because the only people that I've found that have heard
of Lookout! are people who listen to punk and ska... The rest of the population
probably have no idea... although they've probably heard of Green Day...
The Girl With Really Dry Skin Under Her Lip Ring Because She's Been Cleaning It
Too Much And Now It's Unhappy and Lymphing Like Crazy,
~Xx Adie xX~
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opiv...@my-dejanews.com
green day was signed to lookout along with samiam and crimpshrine.. check your
facts!!!!
In article <72i51j$p2o$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
ZeroHero
opiv...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
>Hey bro, Green Day was around before opivy... before opivy even was together,
>green day was signed to lookout along with samiam and crimpshrine.. check your
>facts!!!!
Green Day has not been around since '87. Anyway wasn't Op Ivy one of the 4 original Lookout! bands?
Wingzie
straight from www.greenday.net "Green Day was part of the California punk
scene. Childhood friends Billie Joe Armstrong (guitar, vocals) and Mike Dirnt
(bass; born Mike Pritchard) formed their first band, Sweet Children, in Rodeo,
California when they were 14 years old. By 1989, the group had added drummer Al
Sobrante and changed their name to Green Day. That year, the band independently
released their first EP, 1,000 Hours, which was well-received in the punk
scene. Soon, the group had signed a contract with the local independent label,
Lookout! Records. 39/Smooth, Green Day's first album, was released later that
year. Shortly after its release, the band replaced Kiftmeyer with Tre Cool
(born Frank Edwin Wright, III); Tre Cool became the band's permanent drummer. "
and this is off the lookout site "It was 1988 and I was in a band called the
Lookouts with this neighbor kid named Tre
Cool. Tre said there was going to be this great party for us to
play at, and this new band
called Sweet Children was going to come up from the Bay Area to
play too. The party
turned out to be a fiasco: an unheated, unlighted cabin in the
backwoods mountains of
Northern California with about five bored high school kids
sitting around waiting to be
entertained. Sweet Children, which was made up of two 16 year
olds named Billie Joe
Armstrong and Mike Dirnt, and Al Sobrante, the ex-drummer of
Isocracy, played to those
five kids as if they were the Beatles at Shea Stadium. It was
only their third or fourth show
ever, but I said right then that I was going to make a record
with these guys. By the time
that record happened the next spring, they'd changed their name
to Green Day. A couple
years later, after the Lookouts broke up, Tre became their new
drummer and... well, unless
you've been in a coma the past few years, you know the rest... "
and we all know op ivy was from 97
it looks like Mr. Opivyman is a stupid head
THIRD WAVR
basically means before rancid's out come the wolves came out if you look in any
big alternative guide it would of said they put Lookout on the map which had
greenday, granted they had relative ammount of success before greenday before
popular or even before they broke up. But they did not have a huge impact on
the ska or punk scene until 5 years after they broke up
Darren Pakravan
Somebody get this kid some ritalin and a 2nd grade phonics workbook.
OiKim
>--
>Darren Pakravan
damn . . . i missed darren, no one can diss people with the same amount of
intelligence thrown in as him. =) -kim
--
I really really hate the Pietasters, so instead of listening to them, here's a
list of better bands:
The Skatalites
The Slackers
Hepcat
Less Than Fish
Reel Bighty Mosstones
Less Than The Skatalites
Slackcat
Regatta 69
Dan Cohen
> intelligence thrown in as him. =) -kim
Speaking of missing people has anyone noticed Billy Reas abcense lately?
Dan Cohen
HeyHepCat
>
>Dan Cohen
>
Ah yes. But i think i remember him making a general announcement about a
hiatus from the computer.
--Dana B.
Dana Lynn Bitetti
Bryn Mawr College '00
Linguistics
HeyH...@aol.com or dbit...@brynmawr.edu
ICQ# 9435354
Get Hep! http://GetHep.high-speed.com
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andy k
dont love darren, you just love his doggy style....do YOU have a
picture of darren in your room? I DONT THINK SO!
andyk
oi...@aol.commodus (OiKim) wrote:
>damn . . . i missed darren, no one can diss people with the same amount of
>intelligence thrown in as him. =) -kim
>--
>I really really hate the Pietasters, so instead of listening to them, here's a
>list of better bands:
>The Skatalites
>The Slackers
>Hepcat
>Less Than Fish
>Reel Bighty Mosstones
>Less Than The Skatalites
>Slackcat
>Regatta 69
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smoke your life away, fuck your life away, dream your
life away, scheme your life away---cuz your seeds
grow up the same way"
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RockAKat
>>
>>Dan Cohen
>>
>
>Ah yes. But i think i remember him making a general announcement about a
>hiatus from the computer.
Doesn't he do that every 2 weeks?
Marisol
"Me despido de la memoria
y me despido de la nostalgia
-la sal y el aqua
de mis días sin objeto-"
Zar...@juno.com
hmm
i was wondering about that too.....i didnt see billy on ams or on irc as of
lately......
hmm how odd......
leaving the cold world that is the internet....
Amy
if only i could...
heyh...@aol.compost (HeyHepCat) wrote:
> >Speaking of missing people has anyone noticed Billy Reas abcense lately?
> >
> >Dan Cohen
> >
>
> Ah yes. But i think i remember him making a general announcement about a
> hiatus from the computer.
>
> --Dana B.
>
> Dana Lynn Bitetti
> Bryn Mawr College '00
> Linguistics
> HeyH...@aol.com or dbit...@brynmawr.edu
> ICQ# 9435354
> Get Hep! http://GetHep.high-speed.com
> --A language is merely a dialect with an army.
>
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Darren Pakravan
>
> yah....you say that now...but who spoke up when he was missing???? you
> dont love darren, you just love his doggy style....do YOU have a
> picture of darren in your room? I DONT THINK SO!
> andyk
>
> oi...@aol.commodus (OiKim) wrote:
>
> >damn . . . i missed darren, no one can diss people with the same amount of
> >intelligence thrown in as him. =) -kim
>
Me go to Northwestern, so me is smart.
Actually, I'm gonna get a T-shirt made up that says "Northwestern
University: Intelligent but not Smart" in Purple and White, the school
colors.
OiKim
>Marisol
>
hehehe. >=) -kim
OiKim
love darren, you just love his doggy style....do YOU have a>picture of darren
in your room? I DONT THINK SO!
>andyk
you're right. i'm just a trendy scenester . . . or something. -kim
mrs...@erols.com
win...@aol.comedianHA (Wingzie) wrote:
> >
> >Fair enough. I was trying to explain that Greenday covering "Knowledge"
> >wasn't
> >the only thing that got people listening to Operation Ivy.
>
See, I disagree with you again. I'm not saying that NOBODY heard of Lookout
through Greenday, but I knew a LOT of people that knew about/liked Lookout
Records before the first Greenday CD came out. In fact, and I'm not trying to
start an argument here, I knew people who were HUGE Lookout fans and didn't
like Greenday at all. I certainly didn't. Obviously, your experience was
different but you just can't say categorically that "Green Day popularized
Lookout." If anything, I'd say it was Operation Ivy and Crimpshrine that laid
the foundation for the early Lookout Records; bands like Greenday and
Screeching Weasel just built on what they'd already gotten off the ground.
Morgan.
mrs...@erols.com
opiv...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Hey bro, Green Day was around before opivy... before opivy even was together,
> green day was signed to lookout along with samiam and crimpshrine.. check your
> facts!!!!
Um, okay. Greenday was NOT around before Operation Ivy, although Crimpshrine
was. Samiam MIGHT have been (I never followed them that closely) although I
don't know how likely that is because I think they had ex-members of Isocracy
and I seem to remember that Crimpshrine, Isocracy, and Operation Ivy used to
play together.
I can see that it probably isn't much use arguing with you since you're
already "Opivyman", so I'll just refer you to the Rancid interview in which
Lint talks about Billy Joe Armstrong coming up to him after an OpIV show
because they had the same last name and he was a big fan of Operation Ivy.
At the time, young Billy Joe hadn't started Greenday yet. Bro.
mrs...@erols.com
"ZeroHero" <zero...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
> opiv...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message
> >Hey bro, Green Day was around before opivy... before opivy even was together,
> >green day was signed to lookout along with samiam and crimpshrine.. check your
> >facts!!!!
>
> 4 original Lookout! bands?
Yup. The Lookouts (Larry Livermore's band, and the reason he started the
label), Crimpshrine, Operation Ivy, and one more that I can't remember. I'd
guess Isocracy, but I'm not sure.
BossHogg00
Everybody loved them. And at that time, none of the punks knew what the hell a
Toaster was. So there.
Wingzie
>> >wasn't
>> >the only thing that got people listening to Operation Ivy.
>>
>> i was looking at it in the context that green day popularized lookout..
>
>See, I disagree with you again. I'm not saying that NOBODY heard of Lookout
>through Greenday, but I knew a LOT of people that knew about/liked Lookout
>Records before the first Greenday CD came out. In fact, and I'm not trying to
>start an argument here, I knew people who were HUGE Lookout fans and didn't
>like Greenday at all. I certainly didn't. Obviously, your experience was
>different but you just can't say categorically that "Green Day popularized
>Lookout." If anything, I'd say it was Operation Ivy and Crimpshrine that laid
>the foundation for the early Lookout Records; bands like Greenday and
>Screeching Weasel just built on what they'd already gotten off the ground.
>
of course..your accurate description could work too...
Wingzie
>together,
>> green day was signed to lookout along with samiam and crimpshrine.. check
>your
>> facts!!!!
>
>was. Samiam MIGHT have been (I never followed them that closely) although I
>don't know how likely that is because I think they had ex-members of Isocracy
>and I seem to remember that Crimpshrine, Isocracy, and Operation Ivy used to
>play together.
i'm almost positive samiam came after b/c their drummer and bassist were part
of MTX..right? or were they just new additions?
andy k
>Andy, what picture do you have of me? And what's this about my ass?
oh, a long time ago at an animal chin show i believe, before i had met
you (in person), my friend had like two pictures left on a roll of
film so he just pointed to the crowd and took two shots to finish the
roll, you must have been walkin bye, cuz one of them was just a big
picture of your face! hehe...i showed it to you at avail i think...it
was pretty ironic, oh....and i think WE ALL know about that ass!
andyk
>> oi...@aol.commodus (OiKim) wrote:
>>
>> >damn . . . i missed darren, no one can diss people with the same amount of
>> >intelligence thrown in as him. =) -kim
>>
>Me go to Northwestern, so me is smart.
>Actually, I'm gonna get a T-shirt made up that says "Northwestern
>University: Intelligent but not Smart" in Purple and White, the school
>colors.
>--
>Darren Pakravan
>half-...@nwu.edu
>***this is my real email***
>Half-Assed Radio:
>http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~dcp210/halfass.htm
---------------------------------------------
mrs...@erols.com
win...@aol.comedianHA (Wingzie) wrote:
> >> Hey bro, Green Day was around before opivy... before opivy even was
> >together,
> >> green day was signed to lookout along with samiam and crimpshrine.. check
> >your
> >> facts!!!!
> >
> >Um, okay. Greenday was NOT around before Operation Ivy, although Crimpshrine
> >was. Samiam MIGHT have been (I never followed them that closely) although I
> >don't know how likely that is because I think they had ex-members of Isocracy
> >and I seem to remember that Crimpshrine, Isocracy, and Operation Ivy used to
> >play together.
>
> i'm almost positive samiam came after b/c their drummer and bassist were part
> of MTX..right? or were they just new additions?
Could be. The only thing I remember for SURE about Samiam is that their
guitar player Sergie Loobkoff does graphic design for a lot of California
punk bands/labels. I really don't know about any MTX connection, though.
You learn something every day,
Wingzie
>> >together,
>> >> green day was signed to lookout along with samiam and crimpshrine..
>check
>> >your
>> >> facts!!!!
>> >
>> >Um, okay. Greenday was NOT around before Operation Ivy, although
>Crimpshrine
>> >was. Samiam MIGHT have been (I never followed them that closely) although
>I
>> >don't know how likely that is because I think they had ex-members of
>Isocracy
>> >and I seem to remember that Crimpshrine, Isocracy, and Operation Ivy used
>to
>> >play together.
>>
>> i'm almost positive samiam came after b/c their drummer and bassist were
>part
>> of MTX..right? or were they just new additions?
>
>Could be. The only thing I remember for SURE about Samiam is that their
>guitar player Sergie Loobkoff does graphic design for a lot of California
>punk bands/labels. I really don't know about any MTX connection, though.
>
>You learn something every day,
>Morgan.
>
yeah aaron (bass) and alex (drums) in samiam used to be in MTX
hepk...@my-dejanews.com
> > Darren Pakravan <sp...@sucks.shit> wrote:
> >> mrs...@erols.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> > In article <19981111112757...@ng45.aol.com>,
> >> > py...@aol.com (PYZM) wrote:
> >punk for
> >> > > the last 25 years and the oi skins were basically punks. Not to
> >mention ska
> >> > > has always been close to punk ever since 2tone so(despite operation iv
> >being a
> >> > > great band) don't give too much credit. & the only reason they got
> >popular is
> >> > > when greenday became popular(5 years after they broke Up). So why
> >don't you
> >> >
> >> > I disagree. I don't know ANYONE who'd heard of Greenday before Operation
> >Ivy.
> >> > You may have gotten into them that way, and you may know people who did
> >as
> >> > well, but Operation Ivy were plenty well known before that.
> >> >
> >> Well, I heard about Green Day before OpIvy. But I heard about OpIvy
> >> from listening to the tape in a friend's car.
> >
> >wasn't
> >the only thing that got people listening to Operation Ivy.
> >
> >
>
> i was looking at it in the context that green day popularized lookout..
>
> ~~Bland Entertainment~~
> (West Chester DIY Promoters)******************
> *"fight war not wars..destroy power not people*
> *..peace, love, anarchy..."--crass *
> ******************************************************
>
Whatever wingzie...the point is that operation ivy is and always will be the
most praise worthy punk band this world has ever known. They were the
realest, purest, most genuinely infuriated band in history. Even TRYING to
convince anyone that greenday significantly advanced them somehow is ridulous
and insulting. they are legends because they deserve it. They have a cult
following because they were sincere in what they did. They were local heros
well before greenday put out dookie...otherwise why would they have broken
up? "too much attention unavoidably destroyed us". Jesse Michaels was a
genious. Enough said. Good night.
Wingzie
do ya even pay attention to the conversation? or just jump in when ya think
someone wants your opinion?
THIRD WAVR
ska. Punk and ska were close before them Punk has a lot of reggae influence
already, they did no invent ska punk (the may have inovated it) and if any of
you have listed to a lot of 80s ska they all had a good deal of punk in them.
Punks are less into ska now than they were before op iv(atleast on the east
coast)
Haole
(snip)
> Whatever wingzie...the point is that operation ivy is and always will be the
> most praise worthy punk band this world has ever known.
For me to poop on!
They were a cool enough band, for a one trick pony.
-Haole
--
tooh...@my-dejanews.com
> realest, purest, most genuinely infuriated band in history. Even TRYING to
> convince anyone that greenday significantly advanced them somehow is ridulous
> and insulting. they are legends because they deserve it. They have a
cult
> following because they were sincere in what they did. They were local heros
> well before greenday put out dookie...otherwise why would they have broken
> up? "too much attention unavoidably destroyed us". Jesse Michaels was a
> genious. Enough said. Good night.
>
Yea wingzie, retard.
tash.
--
4 peice fast ramones-driven pop-punk band.
http://drivensane.8m.com.
jo...@my-dejanews.com
derf
----------
In article <longboarder-18...@node030.med.wisc.edu>,
longb...@my-dejanews.com (Haole) wrote:
>
>They were a cool enough band, for a one trick pony.
>
>-Haole
um, OpIvy had a hit?? or do you just mean the fact that their catalogue is
relatively small? if it's the latter than ok, but if it';s the first...
um... i only heard of OpIvy cuz the people at Reptilian Records in Baltimore
played their stuff on the speakers alot.
_______________________________________________
derf
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Don't want to hear another love song/But that's all I seem to write about -
Ridel High,"Hello"
I've created Lutherans - Lisa Simpson
`I'd always done a lot of (sniffing) glue as a kid. I was very interested in
glue, and then I went to lager and speed, and I drifted into heroin because
as a kid growing up everybody told me, 'don't smoke marijuana, it will kill
you' ...''
-- IRVINE WALSH
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tash.
--
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http://drivensane.8m.com.
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RockAKat
>> >
>> > tash.
>> >
>> hahah, tash you are funny :)
>>
>Hehe :)
>
>tash.
"You're a dork" "hahah" "you're funny cos you think my jokes are funny" "hehe"
It's just a pain! And please stop copying the entire post...
Marisol
"I wanna get lost in the Alex Desert" (thanks alan)