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SirJoekr

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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Ah yes, word is born kids: Vanilla Ice, backed up by The Village People and
with guest stars Right Said Fred and M.C. Hammer are about to bring on the
fourth wave of ska with their first Moon release entitled "ska is serious and
if you have any kind of a sense of humor you don't belong in the scene". When
pressed for comment, sir wildman insisted that vanilla would be as good to ska
as previous and totally serious releases from the likes of regatta 69 and
Mephiskapheles...

<DISCLAIMER- the above is totally false-for any prostitots out there that
haven't figured that out yet>.

jOe-Kore
signing off and saying this: "My Brothas Brotha's.....there's room for everyone
in the ska scene- satanist, christians, idiots, arby's roast beef eating fools,
people who funny posts for the sake of it, and maybe even record label people
who preach inclusion of all as a way to expand the scene then get very
exclusive at times for possibly personal reasons which have never been
explained.It's all about unity, duh. Accept, and be accepted. This is the word
of the lawd' da lawd' is ma' sheppard, i know what he wants!"
heheh... uhhmm... HAHAHAHAHA!... oh god, i'm going to split myself laughing!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Noah Wildman

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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Blah blah blah, you and your literary diahrea. If your sense of humor is
so large it excludes any serious discussion on ska, then, ummmm, I'm
sorry but any way you cut it you are a moron. I have never seen any
posts from you that are serious about ska. I don't think you really know
much about the subject based on that and your zine. PLEASE prove me
wrong, as that would increase the quality of this newsgroup. And if you
just goof on me again, well, your like a bear charging at a hunter and
running right into his spear thats lodged in the ground - you do
yourself in with your own velocity of vapidness.

The ska scene should be exclusively for people who like ska or want to
like ska. It shouldn't be for people who think its a convenient scene to
practice their stand up routine without any real interest in the music.
J'ACCUSE, Joey Crack, J'ACCUSE!!

In all seriousness,

-Noah

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Moonkey 80

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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>Blah blah blah, you and your literary diahrea.
<snip>

My goodness... you make it sound like the scene is supposed to be an elitest
club...

LOOSEN THE HELL UP. Man... its music and I love music and I appreciate music
and I love ska and all that... but man, don't take everything so seriously on
these NG's... not everybody has to be 100% serious all the time...

Of course, maybe they do in YOUR world... but jeez, this is MY world... and if
somebody wants to make a dumb joke post, let 'em...

If you really want to get nit-picky... Your sig. file is too long... and
annoying... and stupid...

JEEZ, this is a discussion list, not a personal advertisement space! GET IT
RIGHT! You're cheapening my alt.ska.music newsgroup experience with all your
sig. file diarrhea...

Oh yeah, and buy a dictionary,
~Xx Adie xX~
*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*
HEY! Remove "munists" when replying to me!
*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*

BrianS79

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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>Blah blah blah, you and your literary diahrea. If your sense of humor is
>so large it excludes any serious discussion on ska, then, ummmm, I'm
>sorry but any way you cut it you are a moron. I have never seen any
>posts from you that are serious about ska. I don't think you really know
>much about the subject based on that and your zine. PLEASE prove me
>wrong, as that would increase the quality of this newsgroup. And if you
>just goof on me again, well, your like a bear charging at a hunter and
>running right into his spear thats lodged in the ground - you do
>yourself in with your own velocity of vapidness.
>
>The ska scene should be exclusively for people who like ska or want to
>like ska. It shouldn't be for people who think its a convenient scene to
>practice their stand up routine without any real interest in the music.
>J'ACCUSE, Joey Crack, J'ACCUSE!!
>
>In all seriousness,
>
>-Noah

I don't care who thinks Noah is an asshole. He's right. Funny too......
-Bri

Rocketat

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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not that you guys care....but Vanilla Ice shares the same Manager as Aquabats,
Goldfinger, and Ignite.

jon
label guy with a sense of humor
voted "best local label guy with his hear in the right place" OC Weekly Oct. 98

Jessica

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Oct 29, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/29/98
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This is the greatest post to hit AMS in a while...the sheer idea of
those 80s acts getting together and doing a ska album....oh damn...I
have a tear in my eye!
~jessica


OiKim

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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>>Blah blah blah, you and your literary diahrea.
><snip>
>
>My goodness... you make it sound like the scene is supposed to be an elitest
>club...
>

<snip>

um . . . i think noah is "ribbing" joe about his posts . . . if he isn't, he
can take it up with me. well, no, not really . . . i'm just the one that yells
at him for his company putting out piss-poor compliations and signing shit
bands. ;) -kim

--
I really really hate the Pietasters, so instead of listening to them, here's a
list of better bands:
The Skatalites
The Slackers
Hepcat
Less Than Fish
Reel Bighty Mosstones
Less Than The Skatalites
Slackcat
Regatta 69

SirJoekr

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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why thank you. I simply couldn't resist. Actually, i'd like to thank Mr.
Wildman for his influence and for making it possible.


HAHAHAHAHA!
I haven't had this much fun since the nixon administration!
Reverend jOe-Kore!

SirJoekr

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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Not only that, but if jon never sent me a certain baseball card, i'da never
thought of the village people to begin with...!

jOe
Voted "most obsurd zine guy with his hair mo' puffy than al sharpton"- NY
times...

SirJoekr

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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>
>Blah blah blah, you and your literary diahrea. If your sense of humor is
>so large it excludes any serious discussion on ska, then, ummmm, I'm
>sorry but any way you cut it you are a moron.

oh stop makin' a big old donkey out of you' self. I've made plenty' a serious
post about ska., maybe you wuz' sleepin' dat day... just a day or two ago
someone had a serious question about ska radoio in the NYC area, and i popped
an answer or two in... Grant it my silly posts outwiegh my serious ones 10 to
1, i doubt anyone here would have it any other way.

>I have never seen any
>posts from you that are serious about ska. I don't think you really know
>much about the subject based on that and your zine. PLEASE prove me
>wrong, as that would increase the quality of this newsgroup

A) I know plenty more than you think and b)I don't have to prove that no one.
I'll make serious posted when i feel their required, and not a moment before
then....and c) since when do i give a damn what YOU think?


>And if you
>just goof on me again, well, your like a bear charging at a hunter and
>running right into his spear thats lodged in the ground - you do
>yourself in with your own velocity of vapidness.

Oh whatever. I hear that every day.

>The ska scene should be exclusively for people who like ska or want to
>like ska. It shouldn't be for people who think its a convenient scene to
>practice their stand up routine without any real interest in the music.
>J'ACCUSE, Joey Crack, J'ACCUSE!!

NO. The ska scene is for people who like ska, and for people who want to know
more about it AND... i repeat AND for people to enjoy each others company. Sit
back, relax, maybe talk some serious ska stuff, then joke around awhile and do
a few bong hits, or have a beer, or maybe even none of the above. The
Checkerboard Kids do plenty of satrical little skits on their TV cable access
show- does that make them "less ska"? NO. Just because i present ska ( and yes,
occasionally other forms of music) as i see it through my eyes in my zine, does
that make my zine "less ska". No. You wish it did, but it doesn't.

In all seriousness, get a sense of humor, and maybe read though all the posts
from people wondering exactly what crawled up your ass and died there. If you
come off like a hard-on all the time people are going to think you're just a
big grump- call me crazy, but I know you're not. so Please, for the sake of
everyone, get over it...

you make your bed, that's where you lie.
jOe

Rocketat

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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>Not only that, but if jon never sent me a certain baseball card, i'da never
>thought of the village people to begin with...!

i feel the love (sniffle), i actually SEARCH for crap like that to send out
with my orders!!! Village People trading cards have been the best so far, with
NKOTB and Saturday Night Fever trading cards as a close second.

jon

MindToilet

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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>i feel the love (sniffle), i actually SEARCH for crap like that to send out
>with my orders!!! Village People trading cards have been the best so far,
>with
>NKOTB and Saturday Night Fever trading cards as a close second.
>
>jon

as well ya' should- them cards ROCK! My friend flora ran off with the saturday
night fever one... I gotta find a way to slap that village person into the
next issue... Too bad they don't have vanilla ice, or maybe uhmm... heheh, oh i
really won't go there!
HAHA!

jOe

Noah Wildman

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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Moonkey 80 wrote:
>
> >Blah blah blah, you and your literary diahrea.
> <snip>
>
> My goodness... you make it sound like the scene is supposed to be an elitest
> club...
>
> LOOSEN THE HELL UP. Man... its music and I love music and I appreciate music
> and I love ska and all that... but man, don't take everything so seriously on
> these NG's... not everybody has to be 100% serious all the time...
>

-Snip-

TIGHTEN THE HELL UP. Man....it's music and I love music and I appreciate
music and I love ska and all that....but man, nobody seems to take
ANYTHING seriously on thses NG's sometimes.....not everybody had to be
100% full of post-modern ironic 'oh we're so above it all' humorous all
the time....

-Noah

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Presto! A new message!

mrs...@erols.com

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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In article <3639D4...@walrus.com>,
moo...@walrus.com wrote:

> Moonkey 80 wrote:
> >
> > LOOSEN THE HELL UP. Man... its music and I love music and I
> > appreciate music and I love ska and all that... but man, don't take
> > everything so seriously on these NG's... not everybody has to be 100%
> > serious all the time...
>
> TIGHTEN THE HELL UP. Man....it's music and I love music and I appreciate
> music and I love ska and all that....but man, nobody seems to take
> ANYTHING seriously on thses NG's sometimes.....not everybody had to be
> 100% full of post-modern ironic 'oh we're so above it all' humorous all
> the time....

I pretty much agree with you on this one Noah, although I think you're
going overboard here; I don't know what your issue with Joe Kore is but
so far all you've done is piss off people you might otherwise have convinced.
Anyhow, here's a couple of thoughts:

Instead of trying to browbeat people into talking about music, why not
encourage them by doing it yourself? There is literally NO WAY you're going
to be able to MAKE people stop posting dumb shit; you'd probably have better
luck making them WANT to stop posting dumb shit. In one of your posts you
mentioned some stuff you wanted to discuss; okay, let's hear it.

Also, it's "hypocrisy". Someone usually beats me to the punch on spelling,
but they must be having an off day.

Morgan.

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Rocketat

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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>Too bad they don't have vanilla ice, or maybe uhmm... heheh, oh i
>really won't go there!

i HAVE vanilla ice cards....part of the Yo MTV Raps Series!!!

jon

Noah Wildman

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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Good point well taken. I have no issue with joe in the real world - I
consider him a friend. On the INTERNET planet, though.....

Topic of discussion: Why are RBF and LTJ not only being marketed as rock
bands, but their press people (as can be read in Billborad) insisting
that indeed they were never ska bands, that the whole ska angle was over
hyped. Is this just new hype to prop up weak bands or a truthful
artistic statement?

He he he he.....

-Noah

Bizarre Ink

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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ohhhhhhhhhhh dibs on those with my next order please!!!!!!! i am
ordering soon :) wow VEGAS RECORDS IS THE BEST YO! hint hint...
--
Hillary Rea *** Bizarre Ink Zine ***
P.O. Box 22536
Philadelphia, PA 19110

Member of the Future Barretts of America Organization

BEP

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Oct 30, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/30/98
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Noah Wildman wrote:

> Topic of discussion: Why are RBF and LTJ not only being marketed as rock
> bands, but their press people (as can be read in Billborad) insisting
> that indeed they were never ska bands, that the whole ska angle was over
> hyped. Is this just new hype to prop up weak bands or a truthful
> artistic statement?
>
> He he he he.....
>
> -Noah

With the popularity of poppy, circus "ska" waning, I think that their press
people would probably be trying to keep that label away from their bands feeling
that it would hinder the longevity of their musical careers. On a personal note,
I have never heard Less Than Jake, but in the case of Reel Big Fish, I hope they
catch the same bus that took Vanilla Ice, New Kids On The Block, and Hammer to
musical jokesville.

BEP
(Who's trying really hard to stay on topic....Gilded yak!!!...sloth
toenails!!!....sorry, I blew it.)


SirJoekr

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Oct 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/31/98
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>
>i HAVE vanilla ice cards....part of the Yo MTV Raps Series!!!
>
>jon

NO FUCKING WAY!!!!! I'll throw ya' another free 1/4th page for one! I'm sooooo
dead serious, you have no idea.... Ah, the evil things i could do with an
all-powerful vanilla ice baseball card! I bet it'd even get me into them secret
aquabat functions too!
jOe

SirJoekr

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Oct 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/31/98
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>ohhhhhhhhhhh dibs on those with my next order please!!!!!!! i am
>ordering soon :) wow VEGAS RECORDS IS THE BEST YO! hint hint...
>--

HEY! oh come on' momma'.... shee-oot.
heheh... i had no idea there were so amny people into these dumb' olde'
cards...
jOe

SirJoekr

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Oct 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/31/98
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>Instead of trying to browbeat people into talking about music, why not
>encourage them by doing it yourself? There is literally NO WAY you're going
>to be able to MAKE people stop posting dumb shit; you'd probably have better
>luck making them WANT to stop posting dumb shit. In one of your posts you
>mentioned some stuff you wanted to discuss; okay, let's hear it.
>
>Also, it's "hypocrisy". Someone usually beats me to the punch on spelling,
>but they must be having an off day.
>
>Morgan.

percisely. If noah just sent me an email and said "why don't ya' post more
serious things about ska? is it cuz you know nothing or what? cuz if you do
know things, it'd help everyone involved if you flexed your brain a little
every now and then and said something constructive instead of beging silly
24-7", I'd have considered it, and more likely than not made a bit more effort
to be a tad more serious... Instead Wildman catches some wierd personal
vendetta, and ends up blowin' his own feet off...
whatever...
jOe

EatFlan

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Oct 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/31/98
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>>The ska scene should be exclusively for people who like ska or want to
>>like ska. It shouldn't be for people who think its a convenient scene to
>>practice their stand up routine without any real interest in the music.
>>J'ACCUSE, Joey Crack, J'ACCUSE!!

J'accuse Noah of lifting that line from the court scene in Terrence and
Phillip TV Docudrama: "Not without My Anus!"

>NO. The ska scene is for people who like ska, and for people who want to know
>more about it AND... i repeat AND for people to enjoy each others company. Sit
>back, relax, maybe talk some serious ska stuff, then joke around awhile and do
>a few bong hits, or have a beer, or maybe even none of the above. The
>Checkerboard Kids do plenty of satrical little skits on their TV cable access
>show- does that make them "less ska"? NO. Just because i present ska ( and
yes,
>occasionally other forms of music) as i see it through my eyes in my zine,
does
>that make my zine "less ska". No. You wish it did, but it doesn't.

Wow! Checkerboard Kids finally gets a mention and it's in the middle of a flame
war!
Hey any plug is good as any! Halloween night around 3am you can see a really
scary episode of Checkerboard Kids that features interpretive dancer and
general foe of Howard Stern, Suzanne Muldowney doing what she does best!
Phil Esquire BGI/IFE
Checkerboard Kids www.newyorkers.com/ckids

dtr...@my-dejanews.com

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Nov 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/1/98
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In article <363A35...@walrus.com>,
moo...@walrus.com wrote:

> Topic of discussion: Why are RBF and LTJ not only being marketed as rock
> bands, but their press people (as can be read in Billborad) insisting
> that indeed they were never ska bands, that the whole ska angle was over
> hyped. Is this just new hype to prop up weak bands or a truthful
> artistic statement?
>
> He he he he.....
>
> -Noah
>

Tough call, that one. You'd have to know both bands pretty well to say for
certain. I tend to think it's just hype for weak bands. I haven't been
impressed with either bands' songwriting skills, nor their horn performance or
usage. I *do* seem to recall both bands being labeled as ska bands back in
'94/'95. I just don't recall whether or not it was the bands doing the
labeling.

Cheers,
Dtrain

Bizarre Ink

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oooooooohhhhhhhh aquabat functions! those cards are mine! jon, you can
have 20586877080932 pages of ads in my zine for the vanilla ice
card......

Rocketat

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Nov 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/1/98
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bidding starts here for the vanilla ice cards.....j/k

hillary and joe, email me your mailing addresses and i'll hook you guys up with
the V-Ice cards...

jon

ZeroHero

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Nov 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/1/98
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Rocketat wrote in message

>bidding starts here for the vanilla ice cards.....j/k
>
>hillary and joe, email me your mailing addresses and i'll hook you guys up with
>the V-Ice cards...
>
>jon


I think I have a box of Yo! MTV Raps cards coming soon. Still in packs and everything. They got M.C. Hammer, Bell Biv Devoe,
NKOTB (I think), and all the other greats. I'll get in touch with you if I get them.
-Sean

SirJoekr

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Nov 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/2/98
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>
>bidding starts here for the vanilla ice cards.....j/k
>
>hillary and joe, email me your mailing addresses and i'll hook you guys up
>with
>the V-Ice cards...
>
>jon

HAHAHA!...
heheheheh! <evil laugh> the world will fall before me and kneel with my
all-powerful vanilla ice card! ehehehehehehehehe!

_______________________________________________________________________
jOe-Kore
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PO Box 6132
L.I.C., N.Y. 11106
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ejs...@email.psu.edu

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In article <71i1of$evq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

No offense, Noah, but I just wish Moon Records would stop pining over who
sold out this week and who's going to sell out next week, and concentrate on
putting out solid ska albums. I think that Moon Records is above that.

--spott

Donald Burke

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ejs...@email.psu.edu wrote in message <71j5er$s5e$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

ditto. those ads moon puts in the middle of big magizine's ska reports (you
know, the ones that say "we were doing this first, we're real, buy from us")
really piss me off. when was the last time moon put out a really good album
anyway?
-Donald

Donald Burke

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Offbeat78 wrote in message <19981102190559...@ng62.aol.com>...

>> when was the last time moon put out a really good album
>>anyway?
>>-Donald
>
>i'd say 'dandimite' by dr. ring ding would take the cake...
>
>-alan

except they just issued that one in the US. it not really a moon cd. and
it was still an awful long time ago.
-Donald

Donald Burke

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LatinGoSka wrote in message <19981102193420...@ng16.aol.com>...

>>ditto. those ads moon puts in the middle of big magizine's ska reports
(you
>>know, the ones that say "we were doing this first, we're real, buy from
us")
>>really piss me off. when was the last time moon put out a really good
album
>>anyway?
>>-Donald
>I would tend to agree with you, but every so often, Moon gets it right and
puts
>out a great album. A good example is Ram Di Dance....probably one of the
best
>ska records of the decade. Besides, they have a right to say that they were
>doing it first; they were.
>
>
>
>-Jon Stow
>
>
>
>
>
>

fine, they were doing it first. but why should that convince people to buy
their stuff NOW, when all they put out is crap anymore. i guess it just
pisses me off that they sound so self rightous. they complain about other
labels/bands trying to cash in on the ska label, but they do the exact same
thing.
-Donald
PS:anyone out their reading this, go out and get like the entire stubborn
records catalog. now that's a label.

Guava Baby

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Nov 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/2/98
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LatinGoSka wrote:
>
> OK, I'll agree with you that the quality of the records Moon releases has
> declined considerably over the past few years.
(snip)

That's the conventional wisdom, but I don't really buy it. I mean, was
Moon really that good to start with? Not that they've never had any good
releases - but I don't really see that the consistancy was ever there.

I think a better analysis would be that many ska fans follow a similar
taste progression. They start on the fast, poppy stuff that Moon excells
at (Toasters, Scofflaws, Meph, LGB), then gradually start checking out
trad, rocksteady, soul, early reggae, jazz, dub, etc. and the stuff they
used to love doesn't sound so hot any more. Not everyone experiences
this, but a whole lotta people do, and I think that a lot of the
criticism of Moon that goes on on this ng can be boiled down to "you're
not Stubborn. Damn you - why aren't you Stubborn?" From where I sit,
Moon hasn't gotten worse - we're just outgrowing it.

Leigh

David Segal

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Tedford Juachon wrote:
>
> Donald Burke wrote in message <71lh21$t8t$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net>...

>
> >when was the last time moon put out a really good album
> >anyway?
>
> How's about The Articles' "Flip F'Real" or the Robustos' debut? I'd say
> that those were damn fine releases.
>
> Your Pal,
> Tedford
In addition to those, I'd say even more recently, Dr. Ring-Ding and the
Senior All-Stars' "Ram Di Dance" (as I think Jon stated).

Dave S.

Offbeat78

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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> when was the last time moon put out a really good album
>anyway?

LatinGoSka

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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>ditto. those ads moon puts in the middle of big magizine's ska reports (you
>know, the ones that say "we were doing this first, we're real, buy from us")
>really piss me off. when was the last time moon put out a really good album
>anyway?
>-Donald

LatinGoSka

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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>fine, they were doing it first. but why should that convince people to buy
>their stuff NOW, when all they put out is crap anymore. i guess it just
>pisses me off that they sound so self rightous. they complain about other
>labels/bands trying to cash in on the ska label, but they do the exact same
>thing.
>-Donald
>PS:anyone out their reading this, go out and get like the entire stubborn
>records catalog. now that's a label.

OK, I'll agree with you that the quality of the records Moon releases has
declined considerably over the past few years. I think a lot of that has to do
with the growing competition and the increase in ska releases during this
period. Simply speaking, there is more for ska listeners to choose from. So
they'll be much more picky about the records they buy.
That being said, it would make sense for Moon to respond to the
competition and be much more selective in choosing which bands to sign up.
This hasn't happened; in fact, it seems that just the opposite has taken place.
I won't accuse Moon of lowering their standards for profit's sake, as i have no
idea how the label operates. I think that the drop in quality is a reflection
of the amount of ska bands out there today, many of which are terrible. Some
bands are just going to be hit-or-miss, Moon has no way of knowing how well or
how poorly these bands' records are going to sell. But then again, I'd love to
know what they were thinking when they signed Regatta 69.

-Jon Stow


DrBassie

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>Moon hasn't gotten worse - we're just outgrowing it.
>
>Leigh

I'm with that. But Moon still has gone downhill
Kyle
DrBa...@aol.com

Tedford Juachon

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Donald Burke wrote in message <71lh21$t8t$1...@autumn.news.rcn.net>...

>when was the last time moon put out a really good album
>anyway?


Tedford Juachon

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Dave said:

>In addition to those, I'd say even more recently, Dr. Ring-Ding and the
>Senior All-Stars' "Ram Di Dance" (as I think Jon stated).


Oh Yeah? Well, you're a bastich!

Just to keep things from getting too serious.

Your Pal,
Tedford

dche...@nypl.org

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In article <363E63...@mindspring.com>,
guav...@mindspring.com wrote:

> LatinGoSka wrote:
> >
>
> That's the conventional wisdom, but I don't really buy it. I mean, was
> Moon really that good to start with? Not that they've never had any good
> releases - but I don't really see that the consistancy was ever there.


I don't think it's gone downhill, I think the catalog has expanded. I mean, 5
years, hell *3* years ago, even though Moon was climbing towards it's 100th
release, it still didn't seem that were lots of albums from which to choose.
In the past few years, they have been shooting them out faster than rabbits.

So, it's not quality, but rather quantity. And if you have so many new
releases, then you're bound to see more of the less exciting ones.

>They start on the fast, poppy stuff that Moon excells
> at (Toasters, Scofflaws, Meph, LGB), then gradually start checking out
> trad, rocksteady, soul, early reggae, jazz, dub, etc. and the stuff they
> used to love doesn't sound so hot any more.


I still like poppy stuff. But I like other styles, too. I can't say ANY new
release has gotten me really excited as of late, though. I liked
Rami-Di-Dance, but after 3 tracks it's way too monotonous. The Adjusters new
one was cool, but the lyrics need a lot of work.


Dan, the ska librarian
dche...@nypl.org

MindToilet

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Moon's got a few problems, and i wouldn't be me if i didn't say anything about
it so.... here i go.

When you see huge ads in big glossy magazines proclaiming moon to be THE SHIT,
you've got to wonder... i mean, if they honestly believed that, they wouldn't
bother to hype it. It would just be a given. Kinda like how the guy who always
brags about haing the longest shlong is alwys the one who has turtledick (i.e.-
it goes in like a turtle!) . Most poeple don't do that in their advertising...
i guess cuz their products sell themselves (which says piss poor things about
the quality at moon these days).

It more likely than not does have soemthing to do with the fact ththere are a
lot of piss-poor bands out there that just plain suck, and that there is
competition unlike they've ever seen before.

The competition, well, they've already won out in my opinion. Ask anyone who's
heard the latest from the slackers... ...it's not just quality of releases
though, it's PR. The Public Relations at Moon just plain sucks. They come off
with a huge ego and tryin to get anything from them is an act in dental
science. I used to interview Moon bands all the tie in my magazine. Now, i
can't remember when the last time i did was... wanna know why? Cuz i can call
up epitaph, and they'll set me up to interview whoever, whereever. When i had a
bit of a problem getting into warped tour to do my thing, who went to bat for
me and ran the extra mile - pestering the company in charge of guest listing
to set me up already? say it with me know: E-p-i-t-a-p-h. I call up moon to
try and do an interview with one of their bands, and i get a run around or told
to wait and call back two days before the show. I can't do that anymore cuz
I've grown accustom to dragging along an extra photographer with me so i make
sure i get good shots to run with the interview- I can't go telling her
"cancel your plans tomorrow night, we got photos to take". I need advanced
notice. If i can get that from any other label, why can't i get it at moon? I'm
offering FREE -- F-R-E-E- publicity when i interview a band. that's worth
taking the two minutes to put my name on a list.... It's not that hard, and for
the effort, Moon could get itself a lot more free press.

Of course, taking out some public vendetta against me here in AMS that no one
could understand isn't exactly good PR either... Anyone who read some of the
obsurd things Mr. Wildman recently posted, basically insultin everyone in AMS
as not knowing jack about ska, will know exactly what i mean. Quite simple:
that's not how you run a business, espeically if you want to keep your
customers...

Not to say "moon sucks", cuz i don't feel that way at all. The Adjusters, ska
jazz, and articles are damn good bands in my opinion. I'm actually saddened by
the fact that this once proud label is doing things to hurt itself. I'm a firm
believer in the D.I.Y ethic, and Bucket was right to start a label with the big
guys laughed... but now it's going downhill and the big guys are only starting
to weigh in.

What Moon probably needs is someone to come in and shake that joint up. Someone
who knows how to run a business... I am NOT saying certain people from moon
should go find another line of work or anything like that, what i am saying is
they need a radical change in attitude, and by hiring someone with good
business savy and exerience it would put them on the rebound.

This is just my opinion. From the outside looking in. it's not a personal
attack against anyone at moon. it's just my concerned opinion. Nothing more and
nothin less. Thanks for readin' my babble...

jOey-JoeKore


_________________________________________________________________ Joe-Kore.
Mind Toilet Magazine.
"Ooooh, my little engine of fury is spinning in my brain,
getting ready to do a Joey Crack on you...ooooh...oooooh. Go ninja go
ninja go! " Noah Wildman


Michael Caputo

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well, um... the new Adjusters album isn't too shabby.

-Mike C

Michael Caputo

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I guess the subject sorta speaks for itself. Just add this to the list
of how I'm a lot like Jesus. (put it in between "can change water into
wine" and "can cure lepers")

-Mike C

David Segal

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Tedford Juachon wrote:
>
> Dave said:
>
> >In addition to those, I'd say even more recently, Dr. Ring-Ding and the
> >Senior All-Stars' "Ram Di Dance" (as I think Jon stated).
>
> Oh Yeah? Well, you're a bastich!
>
> Just to keep things from getting too serious.
>
> Your Pal,
> Tedford
My pal, huh?! By the way, call me ignorant, but what's a bastich?

Your bastich (until further notice),
Dave S.

noah...@smtplink.mssm.edu

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In article <71i1of$evq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
dtr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <363A35...@walrus.com>,
> moo...@walrus.com wrote:
> > Topic of discussion: Why are RBF and LTJ not only being marketed as rock
> > bands, but their press people (as can be read in Billborad) insisting
> > that indeed they were never ska bands, that the whole ska angle was over
> > hyped. Is this just new hype to prop up weak bands or a truthful
> > artistic statement?
>
> Tough call, that one. You'd have to know both bands pretty well to say for
> certain. I tend to think it's just hype for weak bands. I haven't been
> impressed with either bands' songwriting skills, nor their horn performance or
> usage. I *do* seem to recall both bands being labeled as ska bands back in
> '94/'95. I just don't recall whether or not it was the bands doing the
> labeling.

I'd say it's neither. What it IS, in my opinion, is an attempt by both bands
to distance themselves from the ska fad they rode to semi-stardom, which now
is most certainly crashing. There's nothing worse than the smell of day-old
fad in pop culture, and label people, who may not know anything else, sure as
hell know that. They've invested time and money in these bands, and they
don't want to see them dismissed by the public as corny for playing mid-90s
throwback music. Late 90s ska=mid 90s grunge=early 90s hair metal=80s disco,
if you follow me.

So now, the wave ebbs, the cynical bigs take their profits and move on,
leaving your beloved ska in the hands of the people who managed to keep it a
secret, while trying to make a living at it, for 15 years. They don't
strip-mine with the savagery of their bigger cousins, which is nice, but the
fact is, none of them saw this coming, and it seems that many still don't
fully believe it's here. So who do you cast your lot with for 99? The Evil
or the Stupid? It IS election day, you know.

N-Roy
"Don't blame me, *I* voted for Kodos."
-Homer Simpson

Tedford Juachon

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Dave wanted to know:

>By the way, call me ignorant, but what's a bastich?


"Bastich" is just another way of sayin' "Your daddy ain't your daddy"
whether he knows or not.

Your Pal,
Tedford

David Segal

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I had a feeling it was something along those lines, but I didn't want to
embarass myself. Oh well, too late for that...crazy Jersey boy
slang.... :P

No longer your bastich,
Dave S.

ejs...@email.psu.edu

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That was probably the most intelligent editorial I've read of yours, Joe (and
I've read a lot of them). I didn't realize there were so many people who
shared a similar sentiment that I do.

To clear up my point, Moon DOES put out good records (Ram Di Dance is
definitely one of them). They also put out some bad records (I'll spare
everyone that list), as do most labels like Hellcat, Jump Up!, DVS, and
Kingpin. My point was that you don't see any other labels waving the sellout
flag as much and as high in ska as Moon. Noah is really a nice guy and is
entitled to his opinions. I'm pleased to see that he is expressing them, but
he is also a representitive of Moon Ska NYC which he clearly indicates by
using a Moon Records e-mail account. (I don't use my record label account to
state my opinions, because I wish to keep the two organizations separate.)
Noah isn't the only cat at Moon Records who does this. I wish I would stop
seeing these Less Than Jake sell-out editorials on the Moon homepage, for
example.

By the way, the first ska label in the United States could arguably be
considered Heartbeat Records, who reissued Studio One material in the late
1970s.

Just a few things to think about.

--spott


In article <19981103105539...@ng44.aol.com>,

-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------

SirJoekr

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>That was probably the most intelligent editorial I've read of yours, Joe (and
>I've read a lot of them). I didn't realize there were so many people who
>shared a similar sentiment that I do.

=P thanks go figure.. wait a minute! DON'T SAY THAT! Noah will think i know
something about ska then! GEEZ! We can't have THAT happen..

>
>To clear up my point, Moon DOES put out good records (Ram Di Dance is
>definitely one of them). They also put out some bad records (I'll spare
>everyone that list), as do most labels like Hellcat, Jump Up!, DVS, and
>Kingpin. My point was that you don't see any other labels waving the sellout
>flag as much and as high in ska as Moon.

Too true.

Noah is really a nice guy and is
>entitled to his opinions. I'm pleased to see that he is expressing them, but
>he is also a representitive of Moon Ska NYC which he clearly indicates by
>using a Moon Records e-mail account. (I don't use my record label account to
>state my opinions, because I wish to keep the two organizations separate.)

Precisely. if he has a problem with people he should call, or use personal
email. he makes the whole label look bad bitching people out publically from a
Moon email account.


>Noah isn't the only cat at Moon Records who does this. I wish I would
stop
>seeing these Less Than Jake sell-out editorials on the Moon homepage, for
>example.
>

right again. LTJ themselves i don't feel are sellouts. they just have a VERY
different ethic and approach to their music and how they present themselves.
Some poeple may hate it,that's their choice... but to be a label and cheapening
the label on a whole by getting into down dirty grudge matches against people
for no reason, wheither it's LTJ, me, or anyone... if you hate it, ignore it,
cuz it ain't worth your time (yeah, i only learned that now..)

>By the way, the first ska label in the United States could arguably be
>considered Heartbeat Records, who reissued Studio One material in the late
>1970s.
>
>Just a few things to think about.
>
>--spott
>

Oops... can't say i heard anything about that label before... were are they?
ah well... I never claimed to have all the facts and i never will, because
there are loads of facts out there that people might not have even considered-
like where did the jamaicans get the idea to dress up in suits anyway? Me, i
think it was Sinatra. Everyone knows he was a ganster mafia fuck. he proabaly
had kennedy killed for messin' wit marlyn, ...anyway, my theory is they (the
jamacian rudies) got the idea from seeling the sharp dressed gangster crooner
Sinatra... though i really want to someday do some serious research and find
out if his records were sold there, or if they had TV that he mighta been on,
that sort of thing. It's a possiblity, and i'm not content with just assuming
the rudies in kingston thought of dressin' up all by their lonesome...

Guava Baby

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SirJoekr wrote:
>
(snip)

> >By the way, the first ska label in the United States could arguably be
> >considered Heartbeat Records, who reissued Studio One material in the late
> >1970s.
> >
> >Just a few things to think about.
> >
> >--spott
> >
>
> Oops... can't say i heard anything about that label before... were are they?

Aigggghhh! You were on a roll, Joe - three, count 'em, three whole
serious posts in one day … and then you go and say a silly thing like
that. Wacky guy.

(For anyone who seriously doesn't know (and I'm hoping this don't
include Mr. Kore), Heartbeat Records are located in Cambridge, MA, and
they are very much alive and well in the reissue biz.)

Leigh

Guava Baby

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noah...@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
>
> So who do you cast your lot with for 99? The Evil
> or the Stupid? It IS election day, you know.
>
> N-Roy

<humming Sitting with Stupid>

Leigh

SirJoekr

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O>Aigggghhh! You were on a roll, Joe - three, count 'em, three whole

>serious posts in one day … and then you go and say a silly thing like
>that. Wacky guy.
>
>(For anyone who seriously doesn't know (and I'm hoping this don't
>include Mr. Kore), Heartbeat Records are located in Cambridge, MA, and
>they are very much alive and well in the reissue biz.)
>
>Leigh

Oh come on mommas! I seriously didn't know. I was eatin' gerber back in the
70's.It was aroiund that same time i was dropped on my head repeatedly and used
as a pogo stick.

<enough of this serious shit! people are going to start thinking bad of me!!!>

Noah Wildman

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A few random thoughts on this thread:

1. Moon would never accuse any band of selling out. We just pointed out
that in Billboard magazine there was a very prominent feature in which
the publicists and managers of LTH (and the next week, RBF) went on
record to clearly state in no unclear words that these bands are not ska
bands. We trust you people to put the pieces together and form your own
opinions.

2. Its nice that my jabs at Joey have had an effect, as he's rising to
meet my challenge, too bad he's taken it so personally. The reason he
may be finding less cooperation in the Moon camp in the last year is
perhaps because we have to conserve our resources to the most effective
publications out there. As we've probably beaten you over the head
befoer, we are indepedent, and no corporate sponsorhip or parent company
to cover our asses.

3. Heart beat has been doing ska before Moon, yes, but with the
important distinction that they were reissuing Studio One, not releasing
new music. If you want to get technical, the first label to ever release
ska in the US would be CBS, who issued some cheesy Dragonairres "Dance
the Ska" records in the mid 60s to meet the dance-craze demands.

4. I choose to use my Moon account to express opinions because (other
when I'm, say, goofin' on religion) I stand by my statements in both my
personal and professional life. If I can't do that, I won't post it,
period.

5. I find it funny when people get upset about our advertising, claiming
it makes us sound egotistical, full of our selves, etc. Ummm, dude, it's
ADVERTISING. Its info supplied to hype, nothing more, nothing less. Look
around carefully, and you'll see that most adverts for ska labels all
claim their ska to be the best ska.

6. If one thing this thread teaches me, it's: Beware of the people with
the biggest axes - they usually have grinded them elsewhere....

- Noah
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In article <71nvti$fg7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

Good point. Where would you place swing on the timeline?

> So now, the wave ebbs, the cynical bigs take their profits and move on,
> leaving your beloved ska in the hands of the people who managed to keep it a
> secret, while trying to make a living at it, for 15 years. They don't
> strip-mine with the savagery of their bigger cousins, which is nice, but the
> fact is, none of them saw this coming, and it seems that many still don't

> fully believe it's here. So who do you cast your lot with for 99? The Evil


> or the Stupid? It IS election day, you know.

None of them saw it coming? Hmmm. There was discussion on this very topic
on the e-mail list and among musicians here in Boston regarding the boom and
bust, its timing, and the aftermath as far back as '95. Personally, I am
relieved that the brief popularity is waning a bit. I think it's a good
thing, since bands driven by record company marketing and promotion will glom
onto the next fad, leaving ska to the bands driven by the desire to play ska.

I'll vote for the Stupid, seeing as I enjoy them much more. Besides, all the
candidates on the ballot yesterday fell into that category ;-)

Cheers,
Dtrain
Disgruntled voter (pissed that MA Questions 3 and 4 passed)

dtr...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <71nvst$q...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,

"Tedford Juachon" <ted...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> Dave wanted to know:
> >By the way, call me ignorant, but what's a bastich?
>
> "Bastich" is just another way of sayin' "Your daddy ain't your daddy"
> whether he knows or not.
>
> Your Pal,
> Tedford
>

But Tedford, isn't it "Bastidge?"

Cheers,
Dtrain

dtr...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <363FEF...@mindspring.com>,
guav...@mindspring.com wrote:
> SirJoekr wrote:
> >
> (snip)

> > >By the way, the first ska label in the United States could arguably be
> > >considered Heartbeat Records, who reissued Studio One material in the late
> > >1970s.
> > >
> > >Just a few things to think about.
> > >
> > >--spott
> > >
> >
> > Oops... can't say i heard anything about that label before... were are they?
>
> Aigggghhh! You were on a roll, Joe - three, count 'em, three whole
> serious posts in one day … and then you go and say a silly thing like
> that. Wacky guy.
>
> (For anyone who seriously doesn't know (and I'm hoping this don't
> include Mr. Kore), Heartbeat Records are located in Cambridge, MA, and
> they are very much alive and well in the reissue biz.)
>
> Leigh
>

BTW Joe, you might find it interesting to talk to Chris Wilson of Heartbeat
Records. He can answer all your nagging Jamaica questions (where did the
suits come from, was Sinatra on TV, etc.), and share some cool stories with
you. Also, he's got the coolest collection of old ska records I've ever seen
(shelf upon shelf of the real item). :-)

Cheers,
Dtrain

SirJoekr

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>2. Its nice that my jabs at Joey have had an effect, as he's rising to
>meet my challenge, too bad he's taken it so personally. The reason he
>may be finding less cooperattion in the Moon camp in the last year is

>perhaps because we have to conserve our resources to the most effective
>publications out there. As we've probably beaten you over the head
>befoer, we are indepedent, and no corporate sponsorhip or parent company
>to cover our asses.


blahblahblah. A) i'm not rising to your "challenege". I just made some serious
comments cuz i felt they were warrant. I've got nothing left to say to you in
AMS, or otherwise. (cept' maybe "hi, how are you" out of simple kindness, but
other than that, you crossed the line by trying to make me look stupid and
launching a personal attack against me when there are so many in AMS gulty of
making silly posts.).

>3. Heart beat has been doing ska before Moon, yes, but with the
>important distinction that they were reissuing Studio One, not releasing
>new music. If you want to get technical, the first label to ever release
>ska in the US would be CBS, who issued some cheesy Dragonairres "Dance
>the Ska" records in the mid 60s to meet the dance-craze demands.
>


>4. I choose to use my Moon account to express opinions because (other
>when I'm, say, goofin' on religion) I stand by my statements in both my
>personal and professional life. If I can't do that, I won't post it,
>period.

good, don't.

>5. I find it funny when people get upset about our advertising, claiming
>it makes us sound egotistical, full of our selves, etc. Ummm, dude, it's
>ADVERTISING. Its info supplied to hype, nothing more, nothing less. Look
>around carefully, and you'll see that most adverts for ska labels all
>claim their ska to be the best ska.

which is a bad trend in my opinon. if the bands were all that, they'd sell
themselves. Sure a little advertising is all good and obviously meant to hype
stuff... but... if you see a hellcat ad for the rancid or the slackers, it
don't say "buy this cuz it's the best fucking ska out there".

>6. If one thing this thread teaches me, it's: Beware of the people with
>the biggest axes - they usually have grinded them elsewhere....
>
>- Noah

Been lookin' in da' mirror? ehehehehe! HAHAHAHA!

jOe-"mirror in da' bathrrom" kore

SirJoekr

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>BTW Joe, you might find it interesting to talk to Chris Wilson of Heartbeat
>Records. He can answer all your nagging Jamaica questions (where did the
>suits come from, was Sinatra on TV, etc.), and share some cool stories with
>you. Also, he's got the coolest collection of old ska records I've ever seen
>(shelf upon shelf of the real item). :-)
>
>Cheers,
>Dtrain
>
>

Well if i ever get the time, i'm going to do it- i'm dead serious about
researching it and making a real formal article out of it... i've been thinking
about it for a few years now so... got any contact info fo' me?
thanks...
jOe

DrBassie

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>If you want to get technical, the first label to ever release
>>ska in the US would be CBS, who issued some cheesy Dragonairres "Dance
>>the Ska" records in the mid 60s to meet the dance-craze demands.

Also, I have a Prince Buster album on RCA "Ten Commandments" from around that
time
Kyle
DrBa...@aol.com

Tedford Juachon

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Dtrain said:
>But Tedford, isn't it "Bastidge?"


Actually, I was thinking of "bastich" as used by one space-borne bounty
hunter named Lobo (courtesy of DC Comics) who is one of the funniest
characters ever created. He's one tough bastich and he don't give a frak.
Holy Rao!

Your Pal,
Tedford

dtr...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <19981104150023...@ng09.aol.com>,

sirj...@aol.com.4skin (SirJoekr) wrote:
> >BTW Joe, you might find it interesting to talk to Chris Wilson of Heartbeat
> >Records. He can answer all your nagging Jamaica questions (where did the
> >suits come from, was Sinatra on TV, etc.), and share some cool stories with
> >you. Also, he's got the coolest collection of old ska records I've ever seen
> >(shelf upon shelf of the real item). :-)
> >
> >Cheers,
> >Dtrain
> >
> >
>
> Well if i ever get the time, i'm going to do it- i'm dead serious about
> researching it and making a real formal article out of it... i've been
thinking
> about it for a few years now so... got any contact info fo' me?
> thanks...
> jOe

I tried sending you the info, but my mail system is having trouble e-mailing
to your address. Maybe if you e-mail me at dmo...@genzyme.com first, it'll
be easier 'cuz then I can just return it. Yiiiiyiiiyiiiyiiiyiiiiii.

Cheeeeeeeeeeeeers,

dtr...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <71r2ug$c...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,

My bad, my man. It's just that I guess I learned the word way back when,
before DC Comics was even founded ;-)

Cheers,
Dtreai=lkas;ldkfasdfn'pioh

noah...@smtplink.mssm.edu

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In article <71q3u2$b07$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
dtr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <71nvti$fg7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

> noah...@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
> > Late 90s ska=mid 90s grunge=early 90s hair metal=80s disco,
> > if you follow me.
>
> Good point. Where would you place swing on the timeline?

It's hard to say, since hasn't hit saturation, yet. Maybe it will soon, and
then be lame in the early 00s... who knows? All these statements, of course
are made from a dispassionate, historical perspective. On a personal level,
I think that the swing revival may be the stupidest, most wretched thing that
has ever happened in american popular music.

N-Roy

dtr...@my-dejanews.com

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In article <71sout$qkj$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

noah...@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
> In article <71q3u2$b07$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> dtr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > In article <71nvti$fg7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > noah...@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
> > > Late 90s ska=mid 90s grunge=early 90s hair metal=80s disco,
> > > if you follow me.
> >
> > Good point. Where would you place swing on the timeline?
>
> It's hard to say, since hasn't hit saturation, yet. Maybe it will soon, and
> then be lame in the early 00s... who knows? All these statements, of course
> are made from a dispassionate, historical perspective. On a personal
level,
> I think that the swing revival may be the stupidest, most wretched thing that
> has ever happened in american popular music.

Absolutely. Say what you want about Trad Ska bands trying to recreate the
sound as it was originally, but I've found that most of those bands (with a
few exceptions) have put their own significantly different twists on the
style so that they have actually developed it at least a bit. The material
I've heard from the swing revival bands doesn't seem to have carried the
style forward. Rather, it reguritates it verbatim, usually at a caliber of
musicianship far below that shown back in the day.

Just my Buck Two-Eighty.

Cheers,
Dtrain

brandie

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Nov 5, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/5/98
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AMEN
(about the swing thing, i meant)
here in good ol' champaign..
the "swing society" seems to have replaced the punk collective. (not that i was
a big fan of a punk "collective" anyways..)
the ska music sections are slowly turning into swing sections
every bar hopping, date raping, kakhi/birkinstock sportin, white hat jerk thinks
they can dance (along with their female counterparts..) and they look like
asses.. funny i guess
and these ppl walk around with this strange attitude and hand out flyers for
their lessons..
"hi, im sarah and im from the cu swing society and just wanted to let you knw
there's a show tomorrow and there'll be free lessons so dont worry if you cant
dance, we'll teach you."
AND there was an absolutely ridiculous articule in the local paper that started
with something to the effect of 'you might be suprised to know that swing music
isnt a new thing'
dear lord.
-odcbrandie


.soul.

noah...@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:

> In article <71q3u2$b07$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> dtr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > In article <71nvti$fg7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> > noah...@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
> > > Late 90s ska=mid 90s grunge=early 90s hair metal=80s disco,
> > > if you follow me.
> >
> > Good point. Where would you place swing on the timeline?
>
> It's hard to say, since hasn't hit saturation, yet. Maybe it will soon, and
> then be lame in the early 00s... who knows? All these statements, of course
> are made from a dispassionate, historical perspective. On a personal level,
> I think that the swing revival may be the stupidest, most wretched thing that
> has ever happened in american popular music.
>

> N-Roy

SirJoekr

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>I tried sending you the info, but my mail system is having trouble e-mailing
>to your address. Maybe if you e-mail me at dmo...@genzyme.com first, it'll
>be easier 'cuz then I can just return it. Yiiiiyiiiyiiiyiiiyiiiiii.

- sorry- my email address (sirjoekr) is antisocial and takes mail from no one
but people i know- a good way to avoid junk mail, hate mail, etc.- but i'll
email ya' from the other account "mindt...@aol.com", which takes mail from
anyone, anytime, boo-yeah

Wingzie

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>Dtreai=lkas;ldkfasdfn'pioh

umm...you okay man?


--andrew sXe
~~Bland Entertainment~~
(West Chester DIY Promoters)******************
*"fight war not wars..destroy power not people*
*..peace, love, anarchy..."--crass *
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ZeroHero

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SirJoekr wrote in message

>email ya' from the other account "mindt...@aol.com", which takes mail from
>anyone, anytime, boo-yeah
>jOe-Kore


Your e-mail is a slut.
-Sean

derf

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In article <3641EE8C...@uiuc.edu>, brandie <jeff...@uiuc.edu> wrote:


>every bar hopping, date raping, kakhi/birkinstock sportin, white hat jerk thinks
>they can dance (along with their female counterparts..)


wow. you've met my roommate...


_______________________________________________
derf

We can be happy underground - Ben Folds Five, "Underground"

Don't want to hear another love song/But that's all I seem to write about -
Ridel High,"Hello"

I've created Lutherans - Lisa Simpson

`I'd always done a lot of (sniffing) glue as a kid. I was very interested in
glue, and then I went to lager and speed, and I drifted into heroin because
as a kid growing up everybody told me, 'don't smoke marijuana, it will kill
you' ...''
-- IRVINE WALSH

SirJoekr

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>
>Your e-mail is a slut.
> -Sean

...and a coke slut too- if you don't buy it coke it ain' t havin' it!
jOe

Sean McPhillips

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noah...@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
: In article <71q3u2$b07$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
: dtr...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
: > In article <71nvti$fg7$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
: > noah...@smtplink.mssm.edu wrote:
: > > Late 90s ska=mid 90s grunge=early 90s hair metal=80s disco,
: > > if you follow me.
: >
: > Good point. Where would you place swing on the timeline?
:
: It's hard to say, since hasn't hit saturation, yet. Maybe it will soon, and
: then be lame in the early 00s... who knows? All these statements, of course
: are made from a dispassionate, historical perspective.
On a personal level,
: I think that the swing revival may be the stupidest, most wretched thing that
: has ever happened in american popular music.
:
: N-Roy


YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!! Noah, you are officialy my hero. Its good to
see someone else out there views this swing crap as the vile creation it
is. Even if I am a juvenile asshole, we agree on one thing. . . . . . .


- Sean

Skadaddie

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Nov 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/6/98
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>YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!! Noah, you are officialy my hero. Its good to
>see someone else out there views this swing crap as the vile creation it
>is. Even if I am a juvenile asshole, we agree on one thing. . . . . . .
>
>
> - Sean
>

I also agree wholeheartedly. I'll say it now and forever more...the swing
revival is poop.
---
Adam Scott
Rude and Reckless
Pittsburgh's online ska/rocksteady/reggae/soul zine
http://www.angelfire.com/pa/rudeandreckless


SirJoekr

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>I also agree wholeheartedly. I'll say it now and forever more...the swing
>revival is poop.
>---
>Adam Scott
>Rude and Reckless
>Pittsburgh's online ska/rocksteady/reggae/soul zine
>http://www.angelfire.com/pa/rudeandreckless

Gotta disagree. Not that i'm in to swig much, but music in general is meant to
be enjoyed first and formost. ...and besides, sometimes i don't want to listen
to ska cuz hey, i just ain't in the mood for it. I'll listen to everything from
sinatra to madonna, to firewater to skajazz ensemble, with plenty of 2MA and
LTJ in between...hell, i've been getting into lots of south american stuff...
i guess i just love music in all it's forms...

Skadaddie

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Nov 6, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/6/98
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>Gotta disagree. Not that i'm in to swig much, but music in general is meant
>to
>be enjoyed first and formost. ...and besides, sometimes i don't want to
>listen
>to ska cuz hey, i just ain't in the mood for it. I'll listen to everything
>from
>sinatra to madonna, to firewater to skajazz ensemble, with plenty of 2MA and
>LTJ in between...hell, i've been getting into lots of south american stuff...
>
>i guess i just love music in all it's forms...
>


I like plenty of other forms of music besides ska. I love reggae, rocksteady,
soul, mod rock, rockabilly, some jazz, and I've even been known to
occasionally listen to oi! Just because I think the new swing bands are
horrible doesn't mean that my musical tastes are one-sided.

SirJoekr

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>I like plenty of other forms of music besides ska. I love reggae, rocksteady,
>soul, mod rock, rockabilly, some jazz, and I've even been known to
>occasionally listen to oi! Just because I think the new swing bands are
>horrible doesn't mean that my musical tastes are one-sided.
>---
>Adam Scott
>Rude and Reckless
>Pittsburgh's online ska/rocksteady/reggae/soul zine
>http://www.angelfire.com/pa/rudeandreckless

Good to know... lord knows i have to "say heck no to techno" a lot (most iof it
just sucks to me...)... or the majority of top 40 stuff... ech. I just worry
aobut people who NEVEr listen to anything but one type of music- that just
seems scary to me.

Ryan

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Don't forget. The hat must be a COCKS or TROJANS college hat, slightly worn,
with duct tape around the clasp.

derf wrote in message <71t99d$4p6$1...@news.umbc.edu>...

Yossarian

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Ryan wrote in message ...

>Don't forget. The hat must be a COCKS or TROJANS college hat, slightly
worn,
>with duct tape around the clasp.
Good - I was going to ahve to say something about the "white-hat" comment. I
happen to own a very nice Duke white-hat. I'm considering USC for college,
so one day, I may have one of those Trojans hats. I find the Cocks hat to be
rather tasteless.

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