Straight Edge Ska?
Michael Shack
I'm straight edge. For those of you who don't know what that means, it
means that I don't drink alcohol, smoke, or do drugs. I really don't
care whether you do or not. It's your life. Do what you want as long as
you don't hurt anybody else. That's how I feel.
I listen to pretty much all kinds of music--there's something I like in
just about every category. I love SKA music (all waves and subgenres
included) and have since I was listening to my brother's Madness, Beat,
and Specials records when I was eight. I'm 26 now.
Anyway, what I want to know is does anyone out there know of any
Straight Edge Ska bands? There's hundreds (thousands?) of straight edge
hardcore and punk bands, I know (some of which I like), but I want to
know about Ska.
Also, if there's anybody else out there who's straight edge, I'd love to
hear from you.
You can e-mail me at msh...@azstarnet.com
Thanks,
sXeRudeBoy_98
SHARPOWER
why would there be, sXe doesent relate to ska.......i just dont see the
connection your trying to make???????????
cheers,
Cameron
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Daniel Cunningham
Michael Shack wrote:
>
> I'm straight edge. For those of you who don't know what that means, it
> means that I don't drink alcohol, smoke, or do drugs. I really don't
> care whether you do or not. It's your life. Do what you want as long as
> you don't hurt anybody else. That's how I feel.
>
> I listen to pretty much all kinds of music--there's something I like in
> just about every category. I love SKA music (all waves and subgenres
> included) and have since I was listening to my brother's Madness, Beat,
> and Specials records when I was eight. I'm 26 now.
>
> Anyway, what I want to know is does anyone out there know of any
> Straight Edge Ska bands? There's hundreds (thousands?) of straight edge
> hardcore and punk bands, I know (some of which I like), but I want to
> know about Ska.
>
> Also, if there's anybody else out there who's straight edge, I'd love to
> hear from you.
> You can e-mail me at msh...@azstarnet.com
>
> Thanks,
> sXeRudeBoy_98
I hear ya pal. I'm alcohol and drug-free as well.
Anyways, I never gave any thought to sXe ska bands... try out the
Christian bands like Five Iron Frenzy or the Supertones... That's all I
can think of. Actually, just try out FIF.. they're great but the
Supertones aren't so good. Many people on this NG will say that FIF
sucks, but I think they're one of the better "ska-punk" bands out there
today.
LngGoneBON
> Many people on this NG will say that FIF
>sucks, but I think they're one of the better "ska-punk" bands out there
>today.
i agree with you totally they are a very good band, there first album was a lot
more punk and which i liked more , but they seem to be very good at what they
do!!!
PEACEandUNITY BIG j
Andrzej Strzelczyk
yeah, there aren't too many sXe ska bands. There are members of ska bands
who are sXe tho. The lead singer of Winnipeg's WHOLE LOTTA MILKA is sXe as
is the drummer of the Suicide Machines(that is if you consider them ska).
Plus my crappy band, i'm sXe and so is my drummer.
"true til death" tom.
XFiles9000
Welcome to the NG, first off. Secondly, I myself am not sXe, but have several
friends that are, and I think its a pretty cool movement, even if its not for
me. As for sXe ska, there's no band I can think of who is actively sXe, but I
know of several songs that might appeal to the sXe cause. Believe it or not,
Operation Ivy, though they obviously did their fair share of drugs and shit and
were certainly not straightedge, did denounce addiction and such in songs such
as "Junkie's Runnin' Dry" and "I Got No."
--Jay
Sean McSean
SHARPOWER wrote in message
<199804251205...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>>I'm straight edge. For those of you who don't know what that means, it
>>means that I don't drink alcohol, smoke, or do drugs. I really don't
>>care whether you do or not. It's your life. Do what you want as long as
>>you don't hurt anybody else. That's how I feel.
>>
>>I listen to pretty much all kinds of music--there's something I like in
>>just about every category. I love SKA music (all waves and subgenres
>>included) and have since I was listening to my brother's Madness, Beat,
>>and Specials records when I was eight. I'm 26 now.
>>
>>Anyway, what I want to know is does anyone out there know of any
>>Straight Edge Ska bands? There's hundreds (thousands?) of straight edge
>>hardcore and punk bands, I know (some of which I like), but I want to
>>know about Ska.
>>
>>Also, if there's anybody else out there who's straight edge, I'd love to
>>hear from you.
>>You can e-mail me at msh...@azstarnet.com
>>
>>Thanks,
>>sXeRudeBoy_98
>
>why would there be, sXe doesent relate to ska.......i just dont see the
>connection your trying to make???????????
>cheers,
>Cameron
I agree, most ska bands have a rather strong affinity towards alcohol, and
the originals were all about ganga (ganja?). I really doubt a sxe ska band
would exist.
- Sean
Michael Shack
> I agree, most ska bands have a rather strong affinity towards alcohol,
> and
> the originals were all about ganga (ganja?). I really doubt a sxe ska
> band
> would exist.
>
> - Sean
Why wouldn't a sXe ska band exist? If the drummer from Suicide
Machines and the singer from Whole Lotta Milka are straight edge, why
couldn't a whole band exist? I'm not trying to form the sXe ska
supergroup here--I'm just wondering. It's not as if all punk and
hardcore bands are straight edge, but some are. Why couldn't that be
true for ska or any other kind of music? Just wondering...
Mike
David Christopher Elliott
Michael Shack wrote:
> Why wouldn't a sXe ska band exist? If the drummer from Suicide
> Machines and the singer from Whole Lotta Milka are straight edge, why
> couldn't a whole band exist? I'm not trying to form the sXe ska
> supergroup here--I'm just wondering. It's not as if all punk and
> hardcore bands are straight edge, but some are. Why couldn't that be
> true for ska or any other kind of music? Just wondering...
>
> Mike
You know, I wouldn't be surprised if there were a lot of bands, well
some, who were straight edge by definition. Meaning that they don't drink
or do drugs, but they don't wave a giant straight edge flag, either. That's
just the way they live their life and they don't need big X's or youth
groups or any of that to help them.
-dave
Matt
Michael Shack wrote in message <354173A1...@azstarnet.com>...
>Do what you want as long as
>you don't hurt anybody else. That's how I feel.
Well said. A great philosophy for life.
>Anyway, what I want to know is does anyone out there know of any
>Straight Edge Ska bands?
I really don't know of any, but at least one of the Suicide Machines is SxE
(sXe?), and they thank him in the liner notes. I'm betting that most of the
Christian ska bands would qualify for sXe. Really don't know of any bands that
have declared themselves sXe, though. If you hear of any, e-mail me. I have a
lot of sXe friends and they'd be interested.
Matt mpo...@nettaxi.com
Funniest thing I've ever seen. Last night at my school's literary magazine
party, a local band starts playing George Michael's "Faith", but every once in a
while they break into the hardcore version...
MrPorkchop
Hi, I'm Chris, the percussionist for The Radiation Kings, and I was at one time
"straightedge" as well. Now I dont ever drink or do any drugs, but I do
smoke cigarrettes and have promiscuous sex now.
I am in a band full of notorious alcohol lovers.
Just wanted to let you all know theres another one. Well, close enough
anyway.
Chris Porkchop
percussionist for The Radiation Kings
"A man without God is like a fish without a bicycle" ---Robert Anton Wilson
Michael J Kreidler
MrPorkchop (mrpor...@aol.com) wrote:
: Hi, I'm Chris, the percussionist for The Radiation Kings, and I was at one time
: "straightedge" as well. Now I dont ever drink or do any drugs, but I do
: smoke cigarrettes and have promiscuous sex now.
so, that makes you....bent edge? bXe?
I heard thi terminology once, but wasn't sure if someone was just fuckin'
with me...
another irrelevant post.
Cheers,
-M
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J A Dare
In article <354173A1...@azstarnet.com>, msh...@azstarnet.com says...
>
>I'm straight edge. For those of you who don't know what that means, it
>means that I don't drink alcohol, smoke, or do drugs.
...oh and you forgot, no sex, cuz if you partake in the latter,
then you're not really sXe....
Cheers!
jason
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a hair, it does not take sharp eyes to
see the sun and moon, it does not take
sharp ears to hear a thunderclap."
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were it not for music." - Tchaikovsky
Nicole A Wolfersberger
I know tons of sXe kids into ska including myself but have never heard of an
sXe ska band. You'd probably have to start it youself because it's true,
alcohol & pot sort of go hand in hand with ska music, it seems. Isn't one
of the guys in the Suicide Machines sXe? I don't know, haven't listened to
them for years.
N
Michael Shack
J A Dare wrote:
Okay. No sex (I'm a virgin) and I'm a vegetarian too, Mr. sXe
Knowitall.
-Mike
Sean McSean
Michael Shack wrote in message <35429B30...@azstarnet.com>...
>> I agree, most ska bands have a rather strong affinity towards alcohol,
>> and
>> the originals were all about ganga (ganja?). I really doubt a sxe ska
>> band
>> would exist.
>>
>> - Sean
>
> Why wouldn't a sXe ska band exist? If the drummer from Suicide
>Machines and the singer from Whole Lotta Milka are straight edge, why
>couldn't a whole band exist? I'm not trying to form the sXe ska
>supergroup here--I'm just wondering. It's not as if all punk and
>hardcore bands are straight edge, but some are. Why couldn't that be
>true for ska or any other kind of music? Just wondering...
>
>Mike
Well, its like this: Suicide Machines are a punk band. I don't know Whole
lotta milka, but I think if a bunch of sxe kids got together, ska just
wouldnt happen. it would end up with too much of a punk influence.
- Sean
Jeffrey C Chappell III
sXe kids can have sex as long as it's part of a relationship and not just
banging random girls for the hell of it
J A Dare wrote in message <6hvg9l$ipr$2...@solaris.cc.vt.edu>...
Jeffrey C Chappell III
Ska doesnt really work with straight edge and I dont think it needs to. It's
a lot more upbeat and fun than traditional sXe hardcore.
Michael Shack wrote in message <354173A1...@azstarnet.com>...
>I'm straight edge. For those of you who don't know what that means, it
>means that I don't drink alcohol, smoke, or do drugs. I really don't
>care whether you do or not. It's your life. Do what you want as long as
>you don't hurt anybody else. That's how I feel.
>
>I listen to pretty much all kinds of music--there's something I like in
>just about every category. I love SKA music (all waves and subgenres
>included) and have since I was listening to my brother's Madness, Beat,
>and Specials records when I was eight. I'm 26 now.
>
>Anyway, what I want to know is does anyone out there know of any
AmishOutlaw
Jeffrey C Chappell III wrote:
>
> sXe kids can have sex as long as it's part of a relationship and not just
> banging random girls for the hell of it
Are you sure? I'm not sXe so I wouldn't know, but remember the old
Minor Threat song, "Out of Step"? Opening lines:
(I) Don't smoke!
Don't drink!
Don't fuck!
ThrdWavChk
I saw FIF last night at the Ska Against Racism Tour.... they were very
impressive. Probably one of the most enjoyable acts on the tour. It would've
been better if the Blue Meanies hadn't cancelled, but what can you do, ya know?
I'm not really excited about the christian stuff, but other than that, they
sound really good. Take care.
* rebekkah *
Michael Shack
...But I'm upbeat and fun. I go to ska shows and have a good time
with my friends, and I'm not drinking or smoking or getting high while
doing it. So, in that case, sXe works with ska. I don't think I would
have more fun if I was fucked up, because I'd probably puke on myself or
something.
Also there's plenty of upbeat sXe hardcore. Listen to Insted, for
one example. I don't know what you mean by "traditional" sXe hardcore.
-Mike
AmishOutlaw
Kelly K Vance wrote:
>
> AmishOutlaw (Amish...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
> would kinda suck
>
> -kelly
I know, I was just playing devil's advocate, and I was curious. I guess
they'd die out kinda fast, too.
Michael Shack
AmishOutlaw wrote:
> Jeffrey C Chappell III wrote:
> >
> > sXe kids can have sex as long as it's part of a relationship and not
> just
> > banging random girls for the hell of it
>
> Are you sure? I'm not sXe so I wouldn't know, but remember the old
> Minor Threat song, "Out of Step"? Opening lines:
>
> (I) Don't smoke!
> Don't drink!
> Don't fuck!
Ian Mackaye--founder and leader of Minor Threat--has clarified many
times in interviews that "Don't fuck" means not having sex
promiscuously. Some people take that to mean don't have sex at all.
That's not why I don't have sex--it's a personal choice for me. I didn't
start living "straight edge" life to be sXe; I changed for myself and
decided that sXe applied to me.
That's all.
-Mike
AmishOutlaw
I guess "traditional" sXe hardcore would be Minor Threat, since they
started the whole movement. Most of their songs were angry, but some
were upbeat and happy, even funny. Listen to "Cashing In."
Kelly K Vance
AmishOutlaw (Amish...@worldnet.att.net) wrote:
: Jeffrey C Chappell III wrote:
: >
: > sXe kids can have sex as long as it's part of a relationship and not just
: > banging random girls for the hell of it
: Are you sure? I'm not sXe so I wouldn't know, but remember the old
: Minor Threat song, "Out of Step"? Opening lines:
: (I) Don't smoke!
: Don't drink!
: Don't fuck!
a lot of people who are sXe interpret the "don't fuck" line to refer to
promiscuous sex... so it is ok to have sex if you are in love and in a
serious relationship... some people think it means no sex before marriage...
ThrdWavChk
>I didn't<BR>
>start living "straight edge" life to be sXe; I changed for myself and<BR>
>decided that sXe applied to me.<BR>
I think that that's what everyone needs to know. sXe is a way of life. It isn't
something that u become to fit into a scene, a type of music, a stereo-type, or
even a bunch of friends. Becoming sXe is a personal choice. It shouldn't be
influenced upon peer pressure, or a music scene you're involved in (such as
hardcore). I am not sXe, but am kinda upset at all of those kids who think that
it's kewl to be sXe... instead of really thinking about it. sXe means sXe for
life. It doesn't mean for a few weeks, or a few months.... it means FOR LIFE.
Sorry... I know this had nothing to do with this thread... jsut felt i'd voice
my opinion. :o). Take care.
* rebekkah *
Michael Caputo
Michael Shack (msh...@azstarnet.com) wrote:
: ...But I'm upbeat and fun. I go to ska shows and have a good time
: with my friends, and I'm not drinking or smoking or getting high while
: doing it. So, in that case, sXe works with ska. I don't think I would
: have more fun if I was fucked up, because I'd probably puke on myself or
: something.
: Also there's plenty of upbeat sXe hardcore. Listen to Insted, for
: one example. I don't know what you mean by "traditional" sXe hardcore.
: -Mike
Even people who drink and smoke up don't do it some nights. That doesn't
mean they are straight edge... at all. Just not doing it doesn't amount
for anything... I'm not straight edge, even though I haven't drunken
anything today. It's funny how that works... as I have said in the past:
You can listen to ska, but that doesn't make you a "rude boy"; you can not
do drugs, drink, or smoke, but that doesn't make you sXe; you can have a
shaven head, and wear boots, but that doesn't make you a skin. It's kinda
like "all geese are birds, but not all birds are geese"... you make the
connection, I'm too tired to explain myself. What was this we were saying
about cheese fries?
nevermind.
damn arby's.
Mike C
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Mike Carey
I don't think there are any bands that come out in the ska scene and say,
"Hi we're straightedge", but many bands contain straightedge members.
Stir It Up,
Mike Carey
Bassist InViSibLe YoUth, Playing Hardcore for the PEOPLE
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Mike Carey
On 25 Apr 1998, Andrzej Strzelczyk wrote:
> yeah, there aren't too many sXe ska bands. There are members of ska bands
> who are sXe tho. The lead singer of Winnipeg's WHOLE LOTTA MILKA is sXe as
> is the drummer of the Suicide Machines(that is if you consider them ska).
> Plus my crappy band, i'm sXe and so is my drummer.
>
> "true til death" tom
Aren't most if not all of the members of the Suicide Machines
Straightedge?
Nick Swierczek
On 28 Apr 1998, Raw DNA wrote:
> >cuz sex is a good thing
> >- kelly
>
> No it isnt, its sweaty, sticky, and really stupid. I mean unless you're gonna
> reproduce or something.
>
> I know cuz I finally had sex after 21 years. Wasnt worth it.
>
Maybe you just didn't find the correct hole.
-Nick
Kelly K Vance
: Ian Mackaye--founder and leader of Minor Threat--has clarified many
: times in interviews that "Don't fuck" means not having sex
: promiscuously. Some people take that to mean don't have sex at all.
: That's not why I don't have sex--it's a personal choice for me. I didn't
: start living "straight edge" life to be sXe; I changed for myself and
: decided that sXe applied to me.
: That's all.
: -Mike
no sex at all??? like even if you meet a girl (or guy) you really love?
I've never met anyone who took it that way actually, and I'm sXe and have
a lot of sXe friends... most people take it to mean no sex before
marriage, or no promiscuous sex...
cuz sex is a good thing
- kelly
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Raw DNA
>cuz sex is a good thing
>- kelly
No it isnt, its sweaty, sticky, and really stupid. I mean unless you're gonna
reproduce or something.
I know cuz I finally had sex after 21 years. Wasnt worth it.
The New Prince
(same initials, same last name)
"No Man knows, or will ever know, the truth about the gods and about
everything; for even if one happened by chance to say the complete truth,
nevertheless, one would not know it"---Xenophanes
Raw DNA
>Maybe you just didn't find the correct hole.
>
> -Nick
yeah, I'll give you a fuckin hole in the head, bitch.
SHARPOWER
>No it isnt, its sweaty, sticky, and really stupid. I mean unless you're
>gonna
>reproduce or something.
>
>I know cuz I finally had sex after 21 years. Wasnt worth it.
>
>
>
>The New Prince
with a name like that i wouldent be suprised
cheers,
Cameron
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me now, get in line.......................how much can I take?"~Slapshot
Mike Carey
> no sex
Umm... It depends on who you talk too. In the sXe FAQ it said the main
concerns were avoiding things that controlled you, so if sex controlled
you then it was out, but if not well then... This could also mean that you
can drink or what ever in moderation. But it depends on what straight
edge means to you I suppose. Oh I forgot, the other interpretation was
sex was o.k. in a truly serious relationship (ie. no casual sex).
Stir It Up,
Mike Carey
XXX
Mike Carey
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Sean McSean wrote:
>
> Well, its like this: Suicide Machines are a punk band. I don't know Whole
> lotta milka, but I think if a bunch of sxe kids got together, ska just
> wouldnt happen. it would end up with too much of a punk influence.
>
> - Sean
I don't think that being straightedge would cause the band to have to be
punk rawk. My drummer and I are both sXe and have a desire to form a
trad ska band, but when we find other people to play we don't ask them
whether or not they're straightedge, its not important what other people
do its how they play. I think that a sXe ska band, unless if they were
stupid and felt the need to be preachy would be just another ska band,
that just happens to be straightedge, seeing that ska music is not the
best forum for airing a straightedge stance on life (that and straightedge
music tends to be preaching to the converted).
Stir It Up,
Mike Carey
Mike Carey
On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, Michael Shack wrote:
> ...But I'm upbeat and fun. I go to ska shows and have a good time
> with my friends, and I'm not drinking or smoking or getting high while
> doing it. So, in that case, sXe works with ska. I don't think I would
> have more fun if I was fucked up, because I'd probably puke on myself or
> something.
> Also there's plenty of upbeat sXe hardcore. Listen to Insted, for
> one example. I don't know what you mean by "traditional" sXe hardcore.
>
> -Mike
traditional sXe hardcore would be Minor Threat and I think the Teen Idles
but I can't find a freaking Teen Idles c.d. in Milwaukee. One thing I
always wondered about with regards to Minor Threat was whether all the
members considered themselves straightedge?
Patti Lugsdin
Straight edge also means you're not supposed to eat animal by-products,
have tattoos, wear leather or, hate.
Patti
SMSC
J A Dare (jad...@vt.edu) wrote:
: In article <354173A1...@azstarnet.com>, msh...@azstarnet.com says...
: >
: >I'm straight edge. For those of you who don't know what that means, it
: >means that I don't drink alcohol, smoke, or do drugs.
: ...oh and you forgot, no sex, cuz if you partake in the latter,
mc...@basics.org
In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980428...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>,
Mike Carey <dre...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:
>
> I don't think that being straightedge would cause the band to have to be
> punk rawk. My drummer and I are both sXe and have a desire to form a
> trad ska band, but when we find other people to play we don't ask them
> whether or not they're straightedge, its not important what other people
> do its how they play. I think that a sXe ska band, unless if they were
> stupid and felt the need to be preachy would be just another ska band,
> that just happens to be straightedge, seeing that ska music is not the
> best forum for airing a straightedge stance on life (that and straightedge
> music tends to be preaching to the converted).
>
>
> Mike Carey
But the thing is, most "straightedge" kids don't become that way on their
own. Some do, and you and your drummer may have, but most of them are
straightedge for one overwhelming reason: hardcore punk rock. So the odds
are that if you get enough straightedge kids together to start a band,
punk and hardcore will tend to be dominant musical interests.
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BubbaJCH
In Jersey there is a local band by the name of One Cool Guy that is straight
edge.... I just started listening to them but I think their lyrics of some
songs stress the sXe mentality and at the concert I was at they were wearing
sXe shirts.... Oh well, just wanted to put my 3 cents in
Justin
XFiles9000
>Straight edge also means you're not supposed to eat animal by-products,
>have tattoos, wear leather or, hate.
>
>Patti
>SMSC
No it doesn't...
--Jay
andy k
well...i know that you can get some teen idles shit on this old
dischord comp with government issue, sod, minor threat and them...my
friend has it...i dont think its that hard to find, you may have to
order it from dischord, other trad. sXe would probably be 7 Seconds
(my favorite), and dys...i'm not sure if dag nasty was considered sXe,
but they were pretty damn cool also
andyk
Mike Carey <dre...@csd.uwm.edu> wrote
>traditional sXe hardcore would be Minor Threat and I think the Teen Idles
>but I can't find a freaking Teen Idles c.d. in Milwaukee. One thing I
>always wondered about with regards to Minor Threat was whether all the
>members considered themselves straightedge?
>Stir It Up,
>Mike Carey
>Bassist InViSibLe YoUth, Playing Hardcore for the PEOPLE
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Andy K
the proud owner ska wave 273
willing to rent for 20 dollars a week
Brian
All right,
I've read through most of these sXe ska things, and I keep wondering why
everyone associates christians and straightedge. This doesn't go very
well. As I said earlier, hardcore and sxe go to together but they aren't
mutually exclusive. Just as ska and religion don't go together always.
Christians murder people in wars, but they are still christians, no matter
how many of their testaments they break. They don't have to go together.
In fact, most of the kids I know who are sxe, are either atheists, or
perhaps even krishna.
Another point straightened.
Later.
Brian
X F R E E X T R U E X
Brian
> why would there be, sXe doesent relate to ska.......i just dont see the
> connection your trying to make???????????
> cheers,
> Cameron
Hello? Hello? I'm not sure what this comment means. sXe doesn't have to
do with any music scenes. sXe is a personal choice that doesn't reflect
musical choice at all. Yes, it is possible that you are thinking that
being straightedge is all about hardcore and 88 style, but this is a false
statement. I have straightedge friends who are ska fans, who are jazz
fans, and who are even classical music fans. And I myslef am sxe, and
yes, I do like hardcore music, but I'm also a big ska fan. And also a big
fan of emo, jazz, reggae, rap, and almost any other type of music
(sometimes I even throw on a little Alabama, Cheap Seats). Just like
there are Christian ska bands, and vegan hardcore bands, I am sure there
are sxe ska bands out there somewhere. Unfortunately, I am not aware of
any of them, sorry sxe_rudeboy. Can't help you there. But I'm not sure
why that really matters. I can still dig Skanaholocs Unanimous, and the
Pietasters, Maggie Mae. I'm just not finger pointing and singing them
from the soul for them, but then again when did anyone ever belt out the
choruses to The Skunks, or to Buck O Nine? Don't worry about what they
have to say. Ska is all about having fun, and getting your skank on.
Revel in the good times.
Hope that cleared that up. Have a nice day.
-Brian Murphy
Brian
Ok, anther point to unwind.
Straightedge kids do have sex, they do masturbate, they do all the normal
things. Most sxe kids just don't walk into a room and start going at it
with another person.
"Don't drink, don't smoke, don't fuck around" A little quote from a
popular tune by Minor Threat.
This is open to interpretation by the individual. I know I'm not
anti-sex, but I'm not jumping into girls skirts at the drop of a hat. I'm
all about getting my smooch on, but that doesn't make me not sxe any
longer. if I was to hire a hooker...well...that is a different story.
Yep, I think I am done for now.
Brian
Brian
This is a worthless message, but worth a laugh. Thanks. Your funny.
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Patti Lugsdin wrote:
> Straight edge also means you're not supposed to eat animal by-products,
> have tattoos, wear leather or, hate.
>
> Patti
> SMSC
Mike Carey
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Patti Lugsdin wrote:
> Straight edge also means you're not supposed to eat animal by-products,
> have tattoos, wear leather or, hate.
>
> Patti
> SMSC
>
That's if you're hardline straightedge. Most people seem to make their
own
level of commitment.
Mike Carey
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 mc...@basics.org wrote:
> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980428...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>,
>
> But the thing is, most "straightedge" kids don't become that way on their
> own. Some do, and you and your drummer may have, but most of them are
> straightedge for one overwhelming reason: hardcore punk rock. So the odds
> are that if you get enough straightedge kids together to start a band,
> punk and hardcore will tend to be dominant musical interests.
>
> Morgan.
>
I always thought that listening to straightedge music was like preaching
to the converted, why should every song you listen to share you point of
view?
Dizzy bon
>why should every song you listen to share you point of view?
>Stir It Up,
>Mike Carey
maybe it's to help reinforce someone's ideas. if people feel strongly about
something, they want to know that other people are interested in that as well.
being sXe and listening to sXe music might be because the person wants to be
able to say "i'm not the only person out there like this. i have my own peers.
etc. et al."
but i'm really tired and don't know what i'm reallyt talking about.
dance on!
- pasha
(glad to be back from my trip to canada...)
Skava Nagila
Mike Carey wrote in message ...
>On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 mc...@basics.org wrote:
>
>> In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980428...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>,
>
>>
>> But the thing is, most "straightedge" kids don't become that way on their
>> own. Some do, and you and your drummer may have, but most of them are
>> straightedge for one overwhelming reason: hardcore punk rock. So the odds
>> are that if you get enough straightedge kids together to start a band,
>> punk and hardcore will tend to be dominant musical interests.
>>
>> Morgan.
>>
>
>
>I always thought that listening to straightedge music was like preaching
>to the converted, why should every song you listen to share you point of
>view?
>
>Stir It Up,
>
>Mike Carey
there goes most of the theory behind christian ska
re...@netcom.ca
Wow!! You think Patti's post is worthless?? Well then look at what you
posted, Brian. Now there is an even more worthless post... but not the
least bit funny either.
Cheers, Billy
Brian wrote:
>
> This is a worthless message, but worth a laugh. Thanks. Your funny.
>
> On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Patti Lugsdin wrote:
>
> > Straight edge also means you're not supposed to eat animal by-products,
> > have tattoos, wear leather or, hate.
> >
> > Patti
> > SMSC
>
>
SHARPOWER
>> I don't think that being straightedge would cause the band to have to be
>> punk rawk. My drummer and I are both sXe and have a desire to form a
>> trad ska band, but when we find other people to play we don't ask them
>> whether or not they're straightedge, its not important what other people
>> do its how they play. I think that a sXe ska band, unless if they were
>> stupid and felt the need to be preachy would be just another ska band,
>> that just happens to be straightedge, seeing that ska music is not the
>> best forum for airing a straightedge stance on life (that and straightedge
>> music tends to be preaching to the converted).
>>
>>
>> Mike Carey
>
>own. Some do, and you and your drummer may have, but most of them are
>straightedge for one overwhelming reason: hardcore punk rock. So the odds
>are that if you get enough straightedge kids together to start a band,
>punk and hardcore will tend to be dominant musical interests.
>
>
straight edge up until now was always about the music......the music started
straight edge, the music perpetuated straight edge, its more about the music
then the lifestyle....all those dorks out there claiming straight edge who dont
know anything about the history of hardcore and sXe punk rock are fakes simple
as that....im not straight edge but i can tell you i know more about the
history of "straight edge music" then the average asshole in vans and a hoodie
SHARPOWER
>traditional sXe hardcore would be Minor Threat and I think the Teen Idles
>but I can't find a freaking Teen Idles c.d. in Milwaukee.
have a CD store order you the dischord singles cd 1981, it has pretty much all
the teen idles songs on it, they also have recently released a 7" of previously
unreleased song be the Teen Idles
SHARPOWER
>well...i know that you can get some teen idles shit on this old
>dischord comp with government issue, sod, minor threat and them...my
>friend has it...i dont think its that hard to find
nope its not, its called dischord singles 1981
also look for the dischord comp: flex your head it has the first american
skinhead band Iron cross playing 3 songs
>you may have to
>order it from dischord, other trad. sXe would probably be 7 Seconds
>(my favorite)
7 second from reno nevada are good if your more into sing along punk......not
very "hardcore"
> and dys
the only thing by DYS worth getting is wolf pack which is completely awsome.
then they started playing butt rock(like thats unusual for a boston hardcore
band, ha)......
SHARPOWER
>Hello? Hello? I'm not sure what this comment means. sXe doesn't have to
>do with any music scenes.
its more about music then it is about lifestyle you obviously have no
clue.....only until very recently has anyone outside of the hardcore scene been
straight edge......its supposed to be an exclusive club kid, you should know
that.....its a scene, a scene that revolves around music, find me a sXe zine
that doesent involve hardcore, find me a hardcore zine that doesent talk about
sXe......sXe was created by hardcore if hardcore were to completely die out so
would sXe at least by that name
>sXe is a personal choice that doesn't reflect
>musical choice at all.
not anymore anyways, there are many....the dorks that get into every scene have
become a part of the sXe scene, they know nothing but its the cool thing to
do...sounds like you punk fag
>Yes, it is possible that you are thinking that
>being straightedge is all about hardcore and 88 style
88 style? what about all the sXe hardcore years previous to that? sure '88 was
a great year for hardcore but what about previous to that, youth of today were
just an immitation of the early boston hardcore scene, the year 1988 wasnt
really all that influential...all the ideas and music were already around long
before that.....it sounds to me like you have never heard anything outside of
revelation and victory records
bring back the violence to hardcore...none of this unity talk
SHARPOWER
>"Don't drink, don't smoke, don't fuck around" A little quote from a
>popular tune by Minor Threat.
>
>This is open to interpretation by the individual.
the individual who placed the name on straight edge, the originator of straight
edge......you seem to take sXe from a non-existant stand point, it doesent seem
to really mean anything for your and you can just bend the rules to whatever
you want...you claim to know alot about sXe cause you claim sXe but ill just
point out that your full of shit
dche...@nypl.org
First off, Minor Threat/Teen Idles didn't start the sXe movement, they were
just the 1st to sing about it on an album that was nationally well known.
I remember hanging out in clubs that were predominantly sXe back in '79 and
80 in NYC. The main reason sXe came about was mainly underage kids were into
it.
The big joke back then was "Straight edge til 21!" Cuz that's what usually
happened. The other line was "Straight edge til i get laid when I'm drunk"
It was all considered pretty funny back in the early days. Even Minor Threat
had a sense of humor about it. Their songs poke fun at the movement more tha
preach to it, but the translations been changed a bit in the last decade.
Dan, the ska librarian
dche...@nypl.org
Morgan Coe
Mike Carey wrote:
>
> On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 mc...@basics.org wrote:
>
> > In article <Pine.OSF.3.96.980428...@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu>,
>
> >
> > own. Some do, and you and your drummer may have, but most of them are
> > straightedge for one overwhelming reason: hardcore punk rock. So the odds
> > are that if you get enough straightedge kids together to start a band,
> > punk and hardcore will tend to be dominant musical interests.
> >
> >
>
> I always thought that listening to straightedge music was like preaching
> to the converted, why should every song you listen to share you point of
> view?
>
>
> Mike Carey
I agree. My point was, if someone is "straightedge" chances are they're also into
hardcore, simply because the two are so closely connected. I think it's pretty dumb
most of the time, actually. Rehashing Minor Threat and Gorillabiscuits lyrics ad
nauseam gets old fast.
Morgan.
--
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Rick, Young Ones
andy k
really? i'm talking old 7Seconds, not the new SHIT... old school, the
crew and alt.music.hardcore can get pretty rowdy at times...hehe
andyk
shar...@aol.com (SHARPOWER) wrote:
>7 second from reno nevada are good if your more into sing along punk......not
>very "hardcore"
-------------------------------------------------
Andrzej Strzelczyk
i understand what you're sayin'...but i'm sXe and ska is my favouritre
music eventhough i also listen to hardcore, oi, punk, hip hop and pearl
jam. And with all those different types of music that have influenced me, i
always wanna make a ska tune when me and my friends(neither of who are sXe)
to write stuff and i usually crave a really traditional soundin' song. SXE
isn't a music type or a person but a way of life.
tom
Sean McSean <sean.r.m...@drexel.edu> wrote in article
<41a7ce$c2819.8c@XAVIER>...
Brian
This has nothing to do with being hardline. Hardline kids knife smokers
in alleys, and are stupid. Vegans doen't eat animal products or wear
leather. I know so many sxe kids with big tatoos, and some of them are
even sxe tatoos.
Brian
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Mike Carey wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Patti Lugsdin wrote:
>
> > Straight edge also means you're not supposed to eat animal by-products,
> > have tattoos, wear leather or, hate.
> >
> > Patti
> > SMSC
> >
>
>
> That's if you're hardline straightedge. Most people seem to make their
> own
> level of commitment.
>
> Stir It Up,
>
> Mike Carey
> Bassist InViSibLe YoUth, Playing Hardcore for the PEOPLE
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
Brian
How can anyone say shit on Boston Hardcore? That just isn't right.
Especially when that person has a Slapshot quote. That's all about Boston
Hardcore right there. Let's not forget Ten Yard Fight, Bane, In My Eyes,
Reach The Sky, Barrit, Converge, fortydatsrain,Hallraker and more. These
bands are cool as hell. Cameron needs to open his eyes.
Later.
Brian
> the only thing by DYS worth getting is wolf pack which is completely awsome.
> then they started playing butt rock(like thats unusual for a boston hardcore
> band, ha)......
> cheers,
> Cameron
> ###################################################################
> "Be a freind? What a waste of time! I cant stand anymore heart break! You hate
> me now, get in line.......................how much can I take?"~Slapshot
>
>
Brian
Cameron, Cameron, Cameron.
Don't give me a jerkoff handchop. Because you don't know shit about shit,
or anything else. Yes, it is true, I do claim sxe, and yes, I have posted
many messages because of people like you. I posted them for the kids who
don't understand. And it is not me who is full of shit, judging from your
reply.
Straightedge is such a strong point in my life. As can be seen from many
of my last posts. And I do know quite a bit about sxe. Maybe I am not as
punk as you are, but I sure do know what sxe means to me. I know deep
down.
This is cool that I am discussing all this over a newsgroup too. I hope
some kid will sit back and think, hey that sounds like a good point. That
would be cool. (That last sentence was an open shot for all of you dorks
to call me a preacher and a converter. Don't miss out on such an
oppurtunity.)
> the individual who placed the name on straight edge, the originator of straight
> edge......you seem to take sXe from a non-existant stand point, it doesent seem
> to really mean anything for your and you can just bend the rules to whatever
> you want...you claim to know alot about sXe cause you claim sXe but ill just
> point out that your full of shit
Brian
What Patti had to say was funny. It was rather stereotypical of her. And
most of them aren't even related to sxe (check my last message). I'm not
the offical word on sxe, but it seems like you kids need to be
straightened out a bit. (a good pun even).
Later
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 re...@netcom.ca wrote:
> Wow!! You think Patti's post is worthless?? Well then look at what you
> posted, Brian. Now there is an even more worthless post... but not the
> least bit funny either.
>
> Cheers, Billy
>
> Brian wrote:
> >
> > This is a worthless message, but worth a laugh. Thanks. Your funny.
> >
> > On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Patti Lugsdin wrote:
> >
> > > Straight edge also means you're not supposed to eat animal by-products,
> > > have tattoos, wear leather or, hate.
> > >
> > > Patti
> > > SMSC
> >
> >
Mike Carey
On 29 Apr 1998, SHARPOWER wrote:
> >traditional sXe hardcore would be Minor Threat and I think the Teen Idles
> >but I can't find a freaking Teen Idles c.d. in Milwaukee.
>
> have a CD store order you the dischord singles cd 1981, it has pretty much all
> the teen idles songs on it, they also have recently released a 7" of previously
> unreleased song be the Teen Idles
> cheers,
> Cameron
I just might do that.
Frank Stearns
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Mike Carey wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Patti Lugsdin wrote:
>
> > Straight edge also means you're not supposed to eat animal by-products,
> > have tattoos, wear leather or, hate.
Actually, the original straight edgers hated a lot. They hated anyone that
did drugs or drank or had promiscuos sex. They WERE punks. I believe they
went around beating said people up.
> >
> > Patti
> > SMSC
> >
>
>
> That's if you're hardline straightedge. Most people seem to make their
> own
> level of commitment.
>
BubbaJCH
>there goes most of the theory behind christian ska
Not true At all...... listen to FIve Iron Frensy and then listen to the
Supetones and then you can try and tell me that they express the same views....
not at all aside form the love god stuff
Patti Lugsdin
Sorry if I got things wrong, I was making my comments/observations based
on the people I know in the straightedge scene. Some of those people are
the way they are because of the music they listen to and the effects it
has on them, other are straightedge because of their religious beliefs.
The people I know that are into that particular scene due to their
religions belive that any and all alterations to your body are wrong,
eating animals and their by-products is wrong, drinking, drugs and
smoking is/are wrong etc.
Patti
SMSC
Frank Stearns (fste...@liberty.uc.wlu.edu) wrote:
: >
: >
: >
SHARPOWER
>Actually, the original straight edgers hated a lot. They hated anyone that
>did drugs or drank or had promiscuos sex. They WERE punks. I believe they
>went around beating said people up.
i suppose some of them in the boston scene might have been this way a little.
but i dont think they were much more violent then the average kid
SHARPOWER
>How can anyone say shit on Boston Hardcore? That just isn't right.
>Especially when that person has a Slapshot quote. That's all about Boston
>Hardcore right there. Let's not forget Ten Yard Fight, Bane, In My Eyes,
>Reach The Sky, Barrit, Converge, fortydatsrain,Hallraker and more. These
>bands are cool as hell. Cameron needs to open his eyes.
>
>Later.
>
>Brian
>
>> the only thing by DYS worth getting is wolf pack which is completely
>awsome.
>> then they started playing butt rock(like thats unusual for a boston
>hardcore
>> band, ha)......
>> cheers,
>> Cameron
>>
open my eyes you name a bunch of new school bands you read out of some zine
like you know anything..................got buy a late 80's dreeze album, or
how about a gang green one.......they turned into shit and thats the sad
facts....it was common for boston hardcore bands to grow out there hair and
play butt rock, once they do this how can you still consider then a hardcore
band? i sure as hell dont
SHARPOWER
>open my eyes you name a bunch of new school bands you read out of some zine
>like you know anything..................got buy a late 80's dreeze
freeze....freeze damnit
Jerry long
have you ever heard of the investagators they are staightedge and are
proud toe and it shows in some songs
Skava Nagila
BubbaJCH wrote in message
<199805020112...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
read above. now what's your point again? wouldn't *christian* ska bands be
about the *love god stuff*?! and wouldn't that be the major view that they
express and share?! i don't like their music anyway so i think i'll
courteously obstain.
BubbaJCH
aside from their one point....... if you cared enough to listen to the lyrics
and/or read into the two group si wote for example, their veiws are very
different, though considered "christian ska" not evry song is about God or
Jesus, FIF has many songs that express views on government as in Anthem or
Beautiful America, The Supetones on the other hand dont express their views on
many other subjects than God and/or their faith... What i am trying to say is
that you said if only those who listen to christian music are christians, what
is the theory behind preaching to those whop agree with you, and i say that
they ARE showing us differnet views on life and aspects of it.
Justin
Darren Pakravan
Only a quarter of FIF's songs on the new album even have anything to do
with religion anyway, and they aren't that preachy. I haven't gone over
the first album though. At SAR the most preaching they did was "This
song is about Ecclesiastes". If anyone finds that insulting, it's time
they get a life.
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--
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eldo...@nwu.edu
***this is my real email***
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BubbaJCH
Thank you for clearing up my point about all christian ska being the same and
preaching the sam eideals, but they're album does cover alot of their faith
also, look at second season or even suckerpunch for that matter, as you said
only a quarter of it though!!
by the way, what do you think of their set at SAR.... by me it was sooo
short.... it made me mad.... i have a little review at
http://members.aol.com/bubbajch/SARNJ
I was a little unhappy they didnt preach a little bit, at least by playing one
heavily faith influenced song, it is a great reach out to people who may be
influenced into a deeper faith
OK, nice chatting
Justin
LngGoneBON
>I was a little unhappy they didnt preach a little bit, at least by playing
>heavily faith influenced song, it is a great reach out to people who may
>influenced into a deeper faith<BR>
At the detroit show reese said a few words about it , which was cool , i think
he got a better reception here in detorit than in other places , i mean abou
the preachign thing alot of people where cheering when he was talking , even
though he only said a few words but it all good!!!
PEACEandUNITY BIG j
BubbaJCH
I wish he had here in NJ, I think it wouldve been received well, but thats ok,
the band rocked!
Brian
I'm going to stay young until I die...