skinhead moonstomp
J.J.
know the lyrics? i can't tell what the guy's singing in the live track
on the skinhead symphony
XTAXIx
>know the lyrics? i can't tell what the guy's singing in the live track
>on the skinhead symphony
if i'm not mistaken, i believe it's "yeah yeah yeah YEAH yeah yeah yeah yeah
yeah"
--d.
Kim
>if i'm not mistaken, i believe it's "yeah yeah yeah YEAH yeah yeah yeah yeah
>yeah"
>
>--d.
hahahaha, i was thinking the same thing, but was totally afraid it would sound
soooo sarcastic. =P -kim
--
"There is no such thing as a good painting about nothing" (I forgot who said
that.)
Soul Skin
>
> >hey I'm thinking about doing a cover of skinhead moonstomp, does anyone
> >know the lyrics? i can't tell what the guy's singing in the live track
> >on the skinhead symphony
>
> yeah"
>
> --d.
Precisely
Billy
Klaus Bender
> song, and not the half assed Specials cover.... Or better yet you could
> even check out Derrick Morgan's Moonhop, Symarip just ripped off Morgan and
> wrote Skinhead Moonstomp
> Don't cover the cover, cover the original song.
But who is Derrick Morgan...what the fuck is Symarip.....
...Symarip is the biggest Skinhead Market Ripp Off of all time, since its a
middle class Skinhead Reggae Album, and the Pyramids didn't even have the guts
to appeal to the Skin Market as Pyramids.... Basically Skin Reggae made money,
and rocksteady/soul decreasing, so record company and band decided.......
And the Skins bought it like fuck!..... on the other hand, Joe'S Allstars -
Brixton Cat is sayed to be the most sold Skinhead Plate. One of the Best....
But what I really wait for, is the rerelease of the Hot Rod Allstars Skinhead
Sides by Trojan....I never was able to catch one, and only once to hear one.
How sad!
I heard Trojan stopped Vinyl Pressing and is only selling the rest they have.
That's even mor sad, but just a rumour!
- Klaus
Laz
> > Why don't you try listening to the studio version of the original reggae
> > song, and not the half assed Specials cover....
The Specials did a good job. They wanted to expose almost forgotten music and
they did. If they hadn't done such a good job, I'm damn sure you would even know,
Ska from Rock Steady from Reggae or even that "Skinhead Moonstomp" existed as a
tune. So quit the 'I'm so cool' music elitism.
> Or better yet you could
> > even check out Derrick Morgan's Moonhop, Symarip just ripped off Morgan and
> > wrote Skinhead Moonstomp
> > Don't cover the cover, cover the original song.
>
> But who is Derrick Morgan...what the fuck is Symarip.....
>
> ...Symarip is the biggest Skinhead Market Ripp Off of all time, since its a
> middle class Skinhead Reggae Album, and the Pyramids didn't even have the guts
> to appeal to the Skin Market as Pyramids....
NO, Resistance, Skrewdriver, W.A.R. and WP in general was the biggest Skinhead
Market rip off of all time.
The Pyramids weren't the first reggae group or group to change their name for
various sideline projects. As for making money, is there a problem with that?
They cut a cool disk. It's remembered, played and sung. It's "NON-POLITICAL" and
bigups the Skin scene.
Derrick Morgan's "Moon Hop" is a cool tune but it's not an anthem. All Symarip
did was take the bassline. A tradition which meant respects to the
originator--they got a beat that couldn't be upset. The rap over it is all theirs
and they decided to sing about Skins. Also, it's not as bad as irate
middle-class, Skinheads try to make it out to be. "Try Me Best" is another cool
tune on the release along with others.
If you want the big marketing rip off (the first instalment) check out Judge
Dread--his name, his stupid songs about his dick, his bad patwa; all piss poor
imitations, in order to make money off the Skin and JA scene, maybe, even Slade,
now, there's something to bitch about--but Symarip?
> Basically Skin Reggae made money,
> and rocksteady/soul decreasing, so record company and band decided.......
> And the Skins bought it like fuck!.....
Take "Skinhead Moonstomp" for what it is--a tribute to the Skinhead movement and
stop repeating the new half ass complaint about them being these big bad
manipulators of the Skin movement.
It's an anthem. They were the first to take a chance on writing an anthem--deal
with it.
--
Oi Cheers,
Laz
"Be true to your friends if heavens fall."
Cole Younger
Kyle
>they did. If they hadn't done such a good job, I'm damn sure you would even
>know,
>Ska from Rock Steady from Reggae or even that "Skinhead Moonstomp" existed as
>a
>tune. So quit the 'I'm so cool' music
Don't assume everyone was exposed to Jamaican music through two-tone/modern
ska. That isn't always the case. So why cover a cover? It's a fair question.
Have you ever heard the original?
Peace,
Kyle
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Klaus Bender
> stop repeating the new half ass complaint about them being these big bad
> manipulators of the Skin movement.
>
> It's an anthem. They were the first to take a chance on writing an anthem--deal
> with it.
Well, your arguements are very good. You almost disaproove my whole points. Maybe you
are even right about the skinhead market etc.
But I got a completly different view on the quality of the Symarip release. Its a
fast recorded record, its recorded very late, and comes to me as quick cash in befor
the skinhead trend distinguished for the first time. Remember Skins were almost gone
between 72 and 78...
If you compare Symarips tracks to that ones of other popular Skinhead Reggae outfits,
like the early Upsetters, Prince Buster, Laurel Aitken's Pama releases, Reco, Hot Rod
Allstars, Joe's Allstars, Pioneers, and even to the Pyramids own releases it just
laggs some quality. That's why it may seem strange, that exactly this one became
THEEE skinhead reggae anthem. Well, its a hit and I listen it quite often, I admit.
'Bout Judge Dread, Judge Dread is to be judged as DJ and did a completly different
business than the band business. When recording his tracks there was always the lagg
of a good backin' band, on all the tracks I have. The lyrics of the Judge are not
naughtyer than the lyrics of any other Skinhead Reggae artist. I mean, just listen to
Prince Buster for ex., dirty lyrics are a reggae tradition as old as the muzic
itself. By the way the best Judge Dread recording is a rerecording with a certain
Allstar band form northern Germany. In my opinion. That sounds like butt kissin'
again. But it isn't. Anyway Hendrike says that....
- Klaus
Soul Skin
>
> Symarip were just carrying on the tradition. They were there, as the Pyramids, singing
> tunes for Rudies and Skins and they released an album (under Symarip) which paid tribute
> to the Skins.
>
I will have to agree with Laz on this one.
Billy
Laz
> > Take "Skinhead Moonstomp" for what it is--a tribute to the Skinhead movement and
> > stop repeating the new half ass complaint about them being these big bad
> > manipulators of the Skin movement.
> >
> > It's an anthem. They were the first to take a chance on writing an anthem--deal
> > with it.
>
> Well, your arguements are very good. You almost disaproove my whole points. Maybe you
> are even right about the skinhead market etc.
> But I got a completly different view on the quality of the Symarip release. Its a
> fast recorded record, its recorded very late, and comes to me as quick cash in befor
> the skinhead trend distinguished for the first time. Remember Skins were almost gone
> between 72 and 78...
No they weren't, that's when they started to hangout in the punk scene and then later Oi
comes in and the 2tone explosion. It's all mid to late 70's. It's during the 80's and
finally the 90's, in England, where the Skinhead scene, basically, died out due to the
NF and Skrewdriver fuckwads running it into the ground by revising it's history
(starting in the 70's) and using it as fascist tool.
Don't forget Slade even uses the look to cash in.
Symarip were just carrying on the tradition. They were there, as the Pyramids, singing
tunes for Rudies and Skins and they released an album (under Symarip) which paid tribute
to the Skins.
The big market for Skins was 69. That's when it was common as muck and all the papers
got in on it and it was a big trend, like being WP was during the 80's North America
(peaking in the early 90's), like rave and wiggers are today.
> If you compare Symarips tracks to that ones of other popular Skinhead Reggae outfits,
> like the early Upsetters, Prince Buster, Laurel Aitken's Pama releases, Reco, Hot Rod
> Allstars, Joe's Allstars, Pioneers, and even to the Pyramids own releases it just
> laggs some quality. That's why it may seem strange, that exactly this one became
> THEEE skinhead reggae anthem. Well, its a hit and I listen it quite often, I admit.
It's because they sang about the dance (which later in the US became "moonstomping" and
Skinheads were given the pet name "moonstompers") and wrote a no holds anthem to and for
Skinheads. Actually, it's more risky to actually, acknowledge a specific audience like
that. It was a good gesture--take it for what it it is. I really don't see the big deal.
>
> 'Bout Judge Dread, Judge Dread is to be judged as DJ and did a completly different
> business than the band business. When recording his tracks there was always the lagg
> of a good backin' band, on all the tracks I have. The lyrics of the Judge are not
> naughtyer than the lyrics of any other Skinhead Reggae artist. I mean, just listen to
> Prince Buster for ex., dirty lyrics are a reggae tradition as old as the muzic
> itself.
The Prince did have those lyrics and Dread stole the the concept and the character's
name. He's a one note wonder. The Prince also sang about freedom, Rudies, and daily
living. He didn't go on every track about his damn dick size. As for Dread and the
band, a lot of reggae tunes where recorded in England with studio bands and JA managed,
with even less a budget, to produce choice sounds and tracks, so the low quality and bad
songs are no excuse. The big thing is that he was the Vanilla Ice of the Skinhead
world--a novelty act that got taken too seriously.
"Ice! ice! dready!"
Klaus Bender
and therfore hard to discuss.
Fact is that the Skinhead movement was the big trend among wokin' class between '67 -' 72 /'
73 (before 69 they didn't call it skinhead, but lemonheads, hardmods, spy kids what ever
name). Fact again that by 73 when all these rasta things started to happen skins basically
dissapperared of the surface (only a few kept it one). 2Tone was the first big revival, and
first 2 Tone releases appeared 3 or 5 years later. So halfa decade skins wer goooone. And came
back with the punk and 2tone and whatever round 76/77.
Than the white power shit got them dead and they basically dissappeared again, with the
bonehead flood of the 80Ts, just to get their biggest high peak since 69 in the 90Ts.
I believe that Skinheads only survived that long for the dead points, the deepmpoins were
neccessary to reinvent Skinhead. That's in my opinion why all Skinhead styles are still there
today to from the 20th centurys oldest active youth culture.
- klaus
PS: Skinheads rule!
Laz
> Away from Symarip and the other musical topics, because they are partly a question of taste
> and therfore hard to discuss.
This is a music news group. It wasn't about taste it was about respect and giving credit where
credit is due.
>
>
> Fact is that the Skinhead movement was the big trend among wokin' class between '67 -' 72 /'
> 73 (before 69 they didn't call it skinhead, but lemonheads, hardmods, spy kids what ever
> name). Fact again that by 73 when all these rasta things started to happen skins basically
> dissapperared of the surface (only a few kept it one). 2Tone was the first big revival, and
> first 2 Tone releases appeared 3 or 5 years later. So halfa decade skins wer goooone. And came
> back with the punk and 2tone and whatever round 76/77.
"and whatever"?
Your dates are completely screwed and contradict. Not to mention, I don't even know from where or
whom you're getting this information. You've stated no area or country or district. You've quoted
no sources and you're breaking the major rule of historical analysis and cultural studies by
using dates not as a guide but at beginning and end punctuation to human development. The only
time you can use dates, as such, is when people are born (and that's under debate--conception or
or upon leaving the womb) and when people die (and that's under debate).
>
> Than the white power shit got them dead and they basically dissappeared again, with the
> bonehead flood of the 80Ts, just to get their biggest high peak since 69 in the 90Ts.
> I believe that Skinheads only survived that long for the dead points, the deepmpoins were
> neccessary to reinvent Skinhead. That's in my opinion why all Skinhead styles are still there
> today to from the 20th centurys oldest active youth culture.
How are they the oldest "active" youth culture when you've clearly stated that they complete were
wiped out and fell of the face of the planet at periods? This makes no sense. You've contradicted
yourself, again. If you go by that standard, then Teddies are an older cult than that of the
Skinhead and so are Mods and Rude Boys and Rockers.
Klaus Bender
basically dead a few years between the Skinhead Reggae Hype and the appearance of the 2Tone and Oi!
Skinhead Revival that's a fact.
Source for this Statement is mainly "Boss Sounds" on Skinhead Times Publishing, written by
Mr.Griffith. Himself Skinhead in the 60Ts and 70Ts. Oh, its out of the Preamble, because the book is
mainly a list of the most important Skinhead Reggae releases, and facts about the Producers.
Second source that Skinhead wasn't up all time straight, with no breakes between its start in the
late 60Ts to its first revival in the late 70ts is Arthur Kays Story.
Enough sources. I don't care if I am a year wrong or not, it's like you say developments. I didn'T
state although that there was no Skinheads in between, but the fashion faded and was gone. Since
Skinhead at first was a trend like so many others, and left hardly anybody over after it was gone.
Bout Symarip, Symarip ok! I give them respect. But I doubt that they were that important among UK
produced reggae when their stuff came out, they only put out singles (as far as I know (Griffith
again). Today less known stuff of the Hot Rod Allstars, Les Foster, Joe' Allstars (joe mansano sides
anyway) and Laurel Aitken were way more important. So I cannot proove it, how should I?? I believe!
Symarip gained its big importance when Trojan released it on rereleased LP, and that was later during
or short befure 2Tone. Why do I believe this, source!, what actually makes me believe this is the
linar notes of the rerelease of the LP in the yellow cover. Another reason is that Symarip's sound is
probably (Trojan notes, but my believe to) closer to the next step of Ska musics development than any
other release out of that time. So I say Symarip gained its importance long after the band was
gone....
- klaus
It's always developments. That's for sure. That's best showed with 3rd wave Ska. Generally the
Toasters are called to be the ones who started it. But you got somebody like Mark Foggo which
released Ska records in 78, who are not 2Tone sound, but what you might call 3rd wave Ska.....hmmm
did I just proove that there is no waves in Ska, just times where its more or less popular????
Laz
> I see dates as parts of development. All I state, and that's a fact, that the Skinhead Movement was
> basically dead a few years between the Skinhead Reggae Hype and the appearance of the 2Tone and Oi!
> Skinhead Revival that's a fact.
>
> Source for this Statement is mainly "Boss Sounds" on Skinhead Times Publishing, written by
> Mr.Griffith. Himself Skinhead in the 60Ts and 70Ts. Oh, its out of the Preamble, because the book is
> mainly a list of the most important Skinhead Reggae releases, and facts about the Producers.
> Second source that Skinhead wasn't up all time straight, with no breakes between its start in the
> late 60Ts to its first revival in the late 70ts is Arthur Kays Story.
> Enough sources.
So your source, basically, ( and I figured) is one (maybe 2) books off of George 'I'm really going to
fucked up the Skinhead history so I can profit' Marshall's press--it just figures. The freshcuts guide
to screwing up.
I don't know which was worse, when "Spirit of 69..." came out and fucked up the scene or when the same
press decided to release the "Boss Sounds" new screwy; England is the be all and end to world history
(but now on Ska, Rock Steady and Reggae). All that shit on ST Press is always tinged with a hidden
agenda--keep it British, keep it White, over romanticize, keep it ignorant and give my friends your
money.
George has always tried to push the agenda that Skinheads are, and always have been, White aggro,
ignorant, gang orientated White boys. He was also responsible for getting the WP twits recognized as
part of the Skinhead movement and as sheep jumping and using a trend to fill their flaccid egos.
Try going out and talking to people and living the scene and stop trying to find it in one or two books
with the same agenda. The Skinhead scene is a social thing--just dance and experience and stop living in
somebody's else's over romanticized past and boots. Make your own stories and adventures with your
friends.
Your German and bigging up and living the life of some old fuck ups in Glasgow.
For get the great cockney rip off, this is the big Glasgow rip off.
Klaus Bender
a great release. And the only book on the topic.
What you state all the time is that the Skinhead Movement started late 60Ts bla bla bla and went on with no
decline until the White Power Shit Heads fucked it up. And that's simply not the way of the story that I
heard.
It's not the way the story is written away from Marshall, too. By Arthur ' Bilko' Kichener, too. (He
started as studio musician for trojan, runs a ska band for 20 years, had one of the most succeful oi! bands
of all time, and is for sure one of the best skin & mod story tellers....). Oooh shit, that book on STP.
Well, fact for sure just watch the release dates is that in the early 70Ts sometime you had a shift in topic
of reggae. Hardly any Skinhead sides released, movin' more towards Africa & Rasta topics, true?
For sure there were Skins at that time to, but the Skinhead Reggae Hype was gone by the mid 70Ts. 2Tone and
Oi! didn't start to the end of the 70Ts, so what was in between. All the dance going on in the same
intense??
All you say Laz is, its not true, bullshit, bla bla bla. But come up with an better and maybe better prooved
version than mine, and I will be happy to listen and respect it.
I heard the story the way I stated it. Boss Sounds is the only Marshall release I ever had my hands on,
because I hoped to figue out more bout my favourites the Hot Rod Allstars. favourite is a lie, I only heard
one Allstar song on a receiver Sampler and I digged it that much, that I tried to figure out more. Since
they are so hard to get!
By the way the Skins I got my picture of the story from, are Skinhead for 15 years partly, I dunno if ya can
talk of a freshcut....
I am hanin' out with Skins for 4 years, so I admit my interest for skinhead reggae came 2 years later, thru
introduction thru traditional Ska.
- Klaus
Klaus Bender
> with the same agenda. The Skinhead scene is a social thing--just dance and experience and stop living in
> somebody's else's over romanticized past and boots. Make your own stories and adventures with your
> friends.
Perfectly right. But trying to figure out the roots, respect them, and the love for the music of the roots
are important part of that. But its difficult, actually who can really tell the story of culture that was
ignored by media for 30 years????
Books like Boss Sounds are the only way to figure out about rare Skinhead Reggae Singles, and those are
often the ones I love. The best dance is on Laurel Aitken Pama 7"s, my opinion.
Bout the social thing you are perfectly right. I am even happy that scene in Germany is small familiar but
active. Actually we are so familiar that we need to unite. Oi!, Reggae!, HC..... who gives a shit about
music preference, the important thing is anyway to have fun and meet people.....
But the roots are the only way you show all those "patriotic" (a.k.a.... mistakin' patriot for right wing)
and "unpolitical" people that they are fuck ups. That's our problem here. Unpolitical patriots at the Ska
Party the one night and the Nazi-rock gig the other....
Besides with my Label and my electronic Fanzine I take my part, of writing my own story. And for sure not a
commercially one if ya start a label dedicated to rocksteady & skinhead reggae on vinyl these days......
- Klaus
PS: 60ts-sound reggae & rocksteady acts, with good musicians, and decent live experience can come up to me.
(only if ya play together a while, you need to meet the standard set up by yebo (derrick morgan's backin'
band on his last release (92 I believe)) side project jazzbo)
Laz
> > Try going out and talking to people and living the scene and stop trying to find it in one or two books
> > with the same agenda. The Skinhead scene is a social thing--just dance and experience and stop living in
> > somebody's else's over romanticized past and boots. Make your own stories and adventures with your
> > friends.
>
> Perfectly right. But trying to figure out the roots, respect them, and the love for the music of the roots
> are important part of that. But its difficult, actually who can really tell the story of culture that was
> ignored by media for 30 years????
>
> Books like Boss Sounds are the only way to figure out about rare Skinhead Reggae Singles, and those are
> often the ones I love.
You're telling me that some old White guy from the UK is only way to find about a music and style that was
created in Jamaica? Did you ever think about asking Black people who were there? Going on the "alt.reggae" ng
and asking for info on Yardies and Rudies? or looking in books that are about the JA History, music and their
people coming to England? or are you buying into that Marshall way of thinking that it just didn't matter
until groups of aggro ignorant White kids got into it in England and got pegged as Skinheads?
Thus, it is not in the interest of the Marshall crowd to acknowledge "Skinhead Moonstomp" because they were
Black guys decked out and talking about their and our culture. So therefore they get downplayed and questioned
as to their motives and authenticity.
Laz
> Major bullshit.
Thanks kid.
> So I agree on what you say 'bout good ol' Georgie Boi on some points, BOSS SOUNDS is still
> a great release. And the only book on the topic.
Try going to the library. I'm not bothering anymore with this topic because you have trouble reading what's
written--it's going in circles, you're pulling a hissy fit and you've not shared very much new or accurate
information, with anybody, but the fact that you really really like the book you read and you've experienced
very little as an actual Skin. Basically, you're what is called a cyberskin--it's all virtual.
You also keep quoting the same 2 sources as the definitive voice on the history. So obviously you read the book
and bought the T-shirt , there's no telling you anything or sharing experience--so carry on.
Kyle
>was
>> ignored by media for 30 years????
>You're telling me that some old White guy from the UK is only way to find
>about a music and style that was
>created in Jamaica?
The culture he is talking about is the skinhead culture in the UK and that you
can't get from asking Jamaicans. Most don't even know about the skinheads.
The music is Jamaican (well, most of it) but their culture is definitely
different.
Marcus
Counting. I think in the specials version all he says besides, the I want all
you skinheads... and yeah yeah yeah etc. Is This is the new moonstomp
Marcus
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Marcus
>middle class Skinhead Reggae Album, and the Pyramids didn't even have the
>guts
>to appeal to the Skin Market as Pyramids....
OK, how many fuckin names did the Upsetters have, or how about the Pioneers, or
Kingstonians. Also the Pyramids changed names to other bands than Symarip. As
for ripping off the Skinhead Market. What do you call Slade, or better yet No
Remorse, or hell The Last Resort's Skinhead Album was an attempt to ripoff the
skinhead market. And How much did symarip ripoff Derrick morgan, sure they
took the bassline, but why don't you attack max romeo for doing that in Wet
Dream. Hell lets attack every single DJ
Basically, The Original age of Reggae Everyone Ripped Off Everyone, I'm sorry.
The producers ripped off the artists, then they ripped off the UK labels, and
now teh UK Labels are ripping off the Producers(notice how Trojan is liscencing
all those songs to Music Club).
Marcus
>character's
>name. He's a one note wonder. The Prince also sang about freedom, Rudies, and
>daily
>living. He didn't go on every track about his damn dick size. As for Dread
>and the
>band, a lot of reggae tunes where recorded in England with studio bands and
>JA managed,
>with even less a budget, to produce choice sounds and tracks, so the low
>quality and bad
>songs are no excuse. The big thing is that he was the Vanilla Ice of the
>Skinhead
>world--a novelty act that got taken too seriously.
Judge Dread Paid Tribute to the prince, and he agknowledges it, read the
article in TPSA, and he has nothing but praise
Marcus
into the early 70s, and several of the longer skins kept it up. You had Sham
Skins as early as 76. Meanwhile some skinheads kept the torch going so to
speak inbetween and bootboys as late as that. Punk 2tone and Oi! stayed
popular (respectively) through 84. And By then you already had a new breed of
ska bands(like the Potato 5) and Oi! bands(like the Oppressed). By the late
80s ska and Oi! had constant popularity, so yes numbers have fluxuated, but the
cult has always been there.
As for changing, wasn't it you who denounced all rudeboys for not being the
same as the jamaican counterparts??
Soul Skin
>
> Well to be more specific Derrick Morgan Ripped it off sam and Dave,
Uhhhhh.... am I missing something here??? Sam and Dave???
Billy
Kyle
>or
>Kingstonians.
The Upsetters didn't go by any other name - only Lee Perry used that name for
his band, it's just that the musicians changed frequently....
What other names did the Kingstonians go by?
>And How much did symarip ripoff Derrick morgan, sure they
>took the bassline, but why don't you attack max romeo for doing that in Wet
>Dream.
It wasn't just the bassline, it's pretty much the whole song. Max Romeo's
"Wet Dream" was cut before Derrick Morgan's "Hold You Jack" (which I'm guessing
is the song you are talking about). Bunny Lee, as other Jamaican producers of
the time did, used his old rhythm tracks to back other artist's songs.
And using the same rhythm is not what Symarip did, they copied it. Not that I
think there is anything wrong with what they did, it's just odd they didn't
credit Derrick Morgan w/ the song - which is clearly his.
Soul Skin
>
> Books like Boss Sounds are the only way to figure out about rare Skinhead Reggae Singles, and those are
>
I doubt that they are the "only way"
Billy
Klaus Bender
Laz now, that you told us all that Mr.Marshalls authoprs only tell bullshit, and don't know shit and whatever.
(Even so BossSounds author Griffith is active for 30 years in the collectors and fanzine business). Tell us your
views, since you know them better??? You didn't state shit yet ? What did you do ? Where is your name?
Before you call people cyberskin, you should take a better look. But give me your address and you will get the
attempt of my new breed skinhead reggae sampler "searching for the young soul rebels" for freee....just cause ya
talk as much bullshit.
(Attempt because it ended up being a trad. Ska Sampler, after i couldn't get reggae pieces of the skoidats (moon
didn't care), inspecter 7 (radical didn't care but talked much), explorers (france) defunct, phantoms (norway
...didn't have material), and the xplosions (london) no singer at that time ......)
Besides, Jamaica. Yes, when we talk about Ska, yes when we talk about DJ style, no when we talk about Skinhead
Reggae. All the Trojan sides are UK produced, as well as all Hot Rod Allstar sides, Laurel Aitken already lived in
London that time, Joe Mansano sides, Bleechers....
And no better than Judge Dread to talk about it....as he was driver or Trojan and dooor guard and carried them all
around.....("the big Skin rip of"...Judge Dread!)
- Klaus
Laz
As I said before, learn to read--learn to read carefully and closely. You're just not getting it and you're talking
in circles. Also, saying a person is talking "bullshit" every other word, being yourself ignorant and rude (not it
the good sense) then asking if you could send a gift to them isn't' all that charming. It is what a kid would do who
has spent way too much time in front of the computer. As I said just keep reading the same book and mouthing off.
Oi Gate Oi!
Klaus Bender wrote:
a lot things that end with the word "bullshit".
Laz
not getting it and you're talking in circles. Also, saying a person is talking "bullshit" every other word, being
yourself ignorant and rude (not it the good sense) then asking if you could send a gift to them isn't' all that
reading the same book and mouthing off.
Oi Gates Oi!
Klaus Bender wrote:
a lot of things that end with the word "bullshit".
Kyle
>when we talk about Skinhead
>Reggae. All the Trojan sides are UK produced, as well as all Hot Rod Allstar
>sides, Laurel Aitken already lived in
>London that time, Joe Mansano sides, Bleechers....
Well, you might want to do some more reading. Trojan is a UK based label but
by NO means was most skinhead reggae UK produced. True, Laurel Aitken (Laurel
moved in the early 60's) and Joe lived in the UK, but The Bleechers, Pioneers,
Maytones, Kingstonians, Upsetters, Tennors, Versatiles, Ken Parker, Slim Smith,
Ravers, etc. were definitely Jamaican. UK produced "skinhead" reggae pales in
comparison. Greyhound, etc. not very good in my opinion.
The Pioneers moved to England around 1973, but that was after the craze and the
quality of their records dropped into the pop-reggae craze, just as alot of
Desmond Dekker when he moved there.
Klaus Bender
heritage orJjamaicans, why??? because it seems almost impossible for a
non-carribean to get that ska beat. or how many of todays band do you know, that
could compete musically if they were set back via time tunnel (hepcat, yebo,
ring-ding...and???)...
there are whole bunch exclusiv for the skinhead market in england produced sides,
those are the ones I talk about. basically Pama, Torpedo, Crab, some Trojan sides.
Torpedo or Hot Rod are the best example, those Labels are Trojan subs who were only
set up to bring exclusiv for the skinhead market discs.
I mean those sides, not that they are made by artists livin' in GB (Top Skinhead
Producers like Lambert Briscoe, Les Foster, and Joe Mansano were London based
so.....as well as their Studio Musicians, since most of the allstar outfits never
played live, discs made for the dances!).
to laz: the last 4 days I spent a lot of time in front of the pc, because I had
free shift. If I say you talkin' bullshit, that's not personal, and not meant as
insult. I don't know you before I didn't meet you over a couple of pints, I would
never judge a person by AMS.
I still want to know what your points are, all you say: Your view is wrong. But you
didn't come up with a better one. When I asked for it your reply was: Stupid
Cyberskin Talkin' What He Has Read By Sell Out Marshall....
So just state your point instead of just bitchin'.
I say it again, I will be more than happy hearing your opinion. The truth probably
like in most cases somewhere between....
I don't even defend myself against that Cyberskin...... but rather put in some
commercial break:
JazzBo single out on my label this friday!!!! (feat. green vinyl, a one track
stereo and members of yebo (backed derrick morgan on his current LP/CD on
Grover/Pork Pie Rec.)
- Klaus
Kyle
That's what I'm saying, they for the most part weren't English productions
(except for those L. Aitken, Rudies, etc. tunes). They were Jamaican
productions licensed to English labels.
Like I said earlier there are exceptions...but not the rule
Soul Skin
this particular newsgroup for quite some time.
Billy
Kyle
Jamaican producers - i.e. Bunny Lee, Clancy Eccles, etc.
Klaus Bender
> Jamaican producers - i.e. Bunny Lee, Clancy Eccles, etc.
You are probably right, but I am not so sure about that. Lookin' on the output
of Aitken, Briscoe, Foster, Mansano. The whole "Brixton", most of the
"Skinhead" Sides theme its all done in London by Jamaican refugees. (artists:
Joes Allstars, Judge Dread, Hot Rod Allstars, Joe the Boss, Dice the Boss,
Reco Rodriguez). It doesn't appear like that, because those 7" and singles are
way harder to get. Buuuut they future all this hard typical Skinhead Reggae
Sound, that you hardly hear today. Besides maybe on the Laurel Aitken
rereleases of Pama stuff on different Labels (grover got a excellent comp
out!).
On the other hand you got all the Jamaican Producers. But we have to look to
do not mix up Ska productions with for-the-Skinhead market Reggae Sides. Still
from the number of releases JA recorded and released stuff is probably more
(Slickers, Bleechers, Marcia Griffith, Alton Ellis, Pioneers....)...
- Klaus
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Soul Skin
>
> I'm a sooouull man.. come on.
So is that a yes or a no?? :p
Billy
Marcus
Soul Skin
>
> Well Moon Hop is losely based on a Sam and Dave song
Oh I see... now that is something I did not know
Billy
Kyle
Which one? I've never heard it.
Soul Skin
>
> >Well Moon Hop is losely based on a Sam and Dave song
> >Marcus
>
> Which one? I've never heard it.
Yeah, just which Sam and Dave song are you talking about here??
Billy