moshing at ska shows
Matthew R Green
ok so i've not bitched about this much until now, but here it is:
the other night i went to see mu330, a band i love dearly. the first
opener was a bad punk band, but the second was a pretty cool local
(pittsburgh) ska band. i would've enjoyed their show a lot if it weren't
for a small group of assholes who started moshing while everyone else
was skanking. it's hard to dance when you've got 200 pounds of asshole
pushing you all over the place. thankfully the assholes left during the
first few mu330 songs so i could enjoy their show. now i've run into
the same problem at many other ska shows and basically it just really
sucks. who are these fuckers who mosh at a ska show and how do we stop
them? or am i the only one who's had this problem?
Matt
"to dance with us you needn't act like a jerk. skanking's meant for fun,
not for getting hurt."--Mustard Plug
fishstylee
bands should just stop playing at that point and give a skanking lesson.
maybe the todds will catch on...
-carla
Matthew R Green <mr...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote in article
<4mF2dby00...@andrew.cmu.edu>...
Justin Tracy
In <4mF2dby00...@andrew.cmu.edu> Matthew R Green
<mr...@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>
>ok so i've not bitched about this much until now, but here it is:
>
>the other night i went to see mu330, a band i love dearly. the first
>opener was a bad punk band, but the second was a pretty cool local
>(pittsburgh) ska band. i would've enjoyed their show a lot if it
weren't
>for a small group of assholes who started moshing while everyone else
>was skanking. it's hard to dance when you've got 200 pounds of
asshole
>pushing you all over the place. thankfully the assholes left during
the
>first few mu330 songs so i could enjoy their show. now i've run into
>the same problem at many other ska shows and basically it just really
>sucks. who are these fuckers who mosh at a ska show and how do we
stop
>them? or am i the only one who's had this problem?
>Matt
>"to dance with us you needn't act like a jerk. skanking's meant for
fun,
>not for getting hurt."--Mustard Plug
I havn't had a problem with this at the few ska shows I've been to
but I can understand why it upsets you. Personaly I love to mosh, and
I also love to skank. But if I want to mosh I goto a hardcore show,
but when I goto a ska show I like to skank and I wouldn't want anybody
pushing me around.
I bet a swift kick in the balls (if you like to fight dirty) will
solve your problems.
Boutros "King of the Infidels!"
William Liu
Could someone describe to me what SKANKING is? Sorry if this sounds
like a stupid question but I recently got into ska and would like to
know more. Thanks.
Will
MyBrKeeper
: I havn't had a problem with this at the few ska shows I've been to
:but I can understand why it upsets you. Personaly I love to mosh, and
:I also love to skank. But if I want to mosh I goto a hardcore show,
:but when I goto a ska show I like to skank and I wouldn't want anybody
:pushing me around.
: I bet a swift kick in the balls (if you like to fight dirty) will
:solve your problems.
: Boutros "King of the Infidels!"
Boutros if you "mosh" at a hardcore show you're just as likely to get
kicked in the balls. I hate that word mosh. It reminds me of what people
do at Pearl Jam. There's a difference between moshing and dancing. One
of which requires some coordination. I hate when people come moshing on in
and run into you.
Damnit lets beat the piss out of all moshers. Carry little salt packets
with you and when they run at you throw it in their eyes. Or you can trip
them onto the ground and repeatedly kick them.
Nick
"I may be a scumbag, but I've always been a scumbag"
Justin Tracy
In <523j4m$d...@newsbf02.news.aol.com> mybrk...@aol.com (MyBrKeeper)
writes:
>Boutros if you "mosh" at a hardcore show you're just as likely to get
>kicked in the balls. I hate that word mosh. It reminds me of what
people
>do at Pearl Jam. There's a difference between moshing and dancing.
One
I have never been kicked in the balls at hardcore show, but I've
been hit just about everywere else, there's some sort of mutual respect
when it comes to that. Don't kick me there and I won't kick you there.
I used the word mosh for lack of a better term, some people use slam
dancing but I'm too fond of that one either. When I talk about moshing
people do think of Pearl Jam type moshing but I refer to the kicking
and punching type. I recognize the differences between "moshin" and
dancing, thats why I "mosh" at hardcore shows and dance at ska shows.
>of which requires some coordination. I hate when people come moshing
on in
>and run into you.
>Damnit lets beat the piss out of all moshers. Carry little salt
packets
>with you and when they run at you throw it in their eyes. Or you can
trip
>them onto the ground and repeatedly kick them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Nick
>"I may be a scumbag, but I've always been a scumbag"
If you see someone moshing at a ska show feel free to nail 'em,
they deserve it!
fishstylee
Justin Tracy <bou...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
> When I talk about moshing people do think of Pearl Jam type moshing but I
refer to the kicking and punching type.<
kicking and punching? why would you go into the pit with those intentions?
that's not what it's all about.
-carla
fishstylee
yeah, this mtv buzz bin moshing thing has got to go! even at the punk and
hardcore shows if you look closely, they are dancing. remember the daze of
the pogo, pickin up change and the creepy crawly?
real punx dance. always have, always will.
-carla
MyBrKeeper <mybrk...@aol.com> wrote in article
<523j4m$d...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>...
>
> : I havn't had a problem with this at the few ska shows I've been to
> :but I can understand why it upsets you. Personaly I love to mosh, and
> :I also love to skank. But if I want to mosh I goto a hardcore show,
> :but when I goto a ska show I like to skank and I wouldn't want anybody
> :pushing me around.
> : I bet a swift kick in the balls (if you like to fight dirty) will
> :solve your problems.
>
> : Boutros "King of the Infidels!"
>
> Boutros if you "mosh" at a hardcore show you're just as likely to get
> kicked in the balls. I hate that word mosh. It reminds me of what
people
> do at Pearl Jam. There's a difference between moshing and dancing. One
Poliana Irizarry
In article <523j4m$d...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, mybrk...@aol.com (MyBrKeeper) says:
:but when I goto a ska show I like to skank and I wouldn't want anybody
>:pushing me around.
> : I bet a swift kick in the balls (if you like to fight dirty) will
>:solve your problems.
>
>: Boutros "King of the Infidels!"
>
>Boutros if you "mosh" at a hardcore show you're just as likely to get
>with you and when they run at you throw it in their eyes. Or you can trip
>them onto the ground and repeatedly kick them.
>
>Nick
>"I may be a scumbag, but I've always been a scumbag"
EARTH TO FUCK UPS! the whole point if mosh pits at concerts was to get out
your agressions in a playful manner. it's an old-school punk type of
thing. the only reason it has turned into such a cluster fuck is that the
fat-ass frat boys have started getting drunk and beat the shit out of "the
freaks." beating the piss out of moshers and rubbing salt in their eyes
would be just as stupid as starting the pit yourself. moshing was never
supposed to get this violent, but then as punk and ska and hardcore became
more popular with the mainstream, the psychopathic bastards in white hats,
red wings, and polo shirts decided that this was better than a football
p(r)ep rally. that's the price of success, i guess.
poliana irizarry
409 in your coffeemaker
donald block
i wouldnt do that, if you do, plan on getting your ass kicked.
ball-kicking is not a funny matter.
donald block
The last time I saw LGb some fucker who happens to be my very good
friend started to mosh, and the guitarist stopped the music and said
"Don't mosh here, do that shit at a punk show" and they started
playing again. pretty cool of them, I guess
Phil Hobbs
Matthew R Green wrote:
>
> ok so i've not bitched about this much until now, but here it is:
>
> the other night i went to see mu330, a band i love dearly. the first
> opener was a bad punk band, but the second was a pretty cool local
> (pittsburgh) ska band. i would've enjoyed their show a lot if it weren't
> for a small group of assholes who started moshing while everyone else
> was skanking. it's hard to dance when you've got 200 pounds of asshole
> pushing you all over the place. thankfully the assholes left during the
> first few mu330 songs so i could enjoy their show. now i've run into
> the same problem at many other ska shows and basically it just really
> sucks. who are these fuckers who mosh at a ska show and how do we stop
> them? or am i the only one who's had this problem?
> Matt
> "to dance with us you needn't act like a jerk. skanking's meant for fun,
someone does get in my way I'd havta wu-tang 'em. Thats a hell of a quote by
Mustar Plug u got there
John M. Stafford
In article <4mF2dby00...@andrew.cmu.edu>, Matthew R Green
<mr...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
> sucks. who are these fuckers who mosh at a ska show and how do we stop
> them? or am i the only one who's had this problem?
Fresh cuts will usually listen to reason, ie tell em to stop, because they
fear peer pressure. For the rest a good ass kicking on a frat boy by a
group of skinheads has been known to be quite effective.
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Horse
In article <4mF2dby00...@andrew.cmu.edu>, mr...@andrew.cmu.edu
says...
>
>ok so i've not bitched about this much until now, but here it is:
>
>the other night i went to see mu330, a band i love dearly. the first
>opener was a bad punk band, but the second was a pretty cool local
>(pittsburgh) ska band. i would've enjoyed their show a lot if it weren't
>for a small group of assholes who started moshing while everyone else
>was skanking. it's hard to dance when you've got 200 pounds of asshole
>pushing you all over the place. thankfully the assholes left during the
>first few mu330 songs so i could enjoy their show. now i've run into
>the same problem at many other ska shows and basically it just really
>them? or am i the only one who's had this problem?
>"to dance with us you needn't act like a jerk. skanking's meant for fun,
>not for getting hurt."--Mustard Plug
Moshing used to be a problem but after a few months of the moshers having
the shit kicked outa them, they learned either how to dance or not come at
all....
--
*Cheers*
Horse
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D.C. United... 15 and 16! Playoffs here we come!
Trendy Wankers Don't Scare Me!
Justin Tracy
In <01bba8cb$4243fd00$5706d9cd@danfish> "fishstylee"
intention is not to hurt anyone. The worst injury I've seen at a show
was a single bloody nose. For the most part people in the pit respect
each other and won't aim their punches and kicks. If you don't like,
don't go into the pit!
fishstylee
if anyone should stop the show it should be lgb. there is nothing punk or
alternative about them. they are traditional ska at it's best.
-carla
donald block <d.b...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article
<324593...@worldnet.att.net>...
Dan Plato
Matthew R Green <mr...@andrew.cmu.edu> wrote:
>ok so i've not bitched about this much until now, but here it is:
>the other night i went to see mu330, a band i love dearly. the first
>opener was a bad punk band, but the second was a pretty cool local
>(pittsburgh) ska band. i would've enjoyed their show a lot if it weren't
>for a small group of assholes who started moshing while everyone else
>was skanking. it's hard to dance when you've got 200 pounds of asshole
>pushing you all over the place. thankfully the assholes left during the
>first few mu330 songs so i could enjoy their show. now i've run into
>the same problem at many other ska shows and basically it just really
>sucks. who are these fuckers who mosh at a ska show and how do we stop
>them? or am i the only one who's had this problem?
>Matt
I was at a ska show in August and I was skanking and after the first
band finished playing some big, dumb, college kid came up to me and
said, "Uhhh...why are you being such a pussy?" He happened to be the
same kid who tried to get a mosh pit started while everyone was
skanking. Everyone was just looking at him wierd.
---
Dan Plato
pl...@en.com
http://www.en.com/users/plato/ska
skankin' ska page - "pick it up"
Dan Plato
> I have never been kicked in the balls at hardcore show, but I've
>been hit just about everywere else, there's some sort of mutual respect
>when it comes to that. Don't kick me there and I won't kick you there.
> I used the word mosh for lack of a better term, some people use slam
>dancing but I'm too fond of that one either. When I talk about moshing
>people do think of Pearl Jam type moshing but I refer to the kicking
>and punching type. I recognize the differences between "moshin" and
>dancing, thats why I "mosh" at hardcore shows and dance at ska shows.
Why the fuck would you pay to go to a show and get kicked and punched?
You couldn't even hear the music?
Jesse Beck
In <01bba8cb$4243fd00$5706d9cd@danfish> "fishstylee"
<fishs...@aol.com> writes:
>
>Justin Tracy <bou...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
>
but I
>refer to the kicking and punching type.<
>
intentions?
> that's not what it's all about.
>-carla
>
Because our friend Justin is what we call a poseur, Carla. He has NO
idea what ska is all about, nor will he ever. People like him need to
stay out of the pit, because I don't take that kind of shit. I punch
back, call me a hypocrit, but if someone punches or kicks me on
PURPOSE, I don't like it. Once, I will tolerate, but repeatedly? No
way.
Kurlypimp
Justin Tracy
In <01bba8ca$7ce28220$5706d9cd@danfish> "fishstylee"
<fishs...@aol.com> writes:
>
>yeah, this mtv buzz bin moshing thing has got to go! even at the punk
and
>hardcore shows if you look closely, they are dancing. remember the
daze of
>the pogo, pickin up change and the creepy crawly?
>
>real punx dance. always have, always will.
>-carla
>
>
It's not just a bunch a people flailing around for no reason. The
punches and kicks are actually part of a dance, and everyone dances
really close! It really is alot of fun... unless you hit floor.
Luckily most people, except the biggest assholes, will pickup anybody
that falls.
Justin Tracy
In <52779p$a...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com> orgn...@ix.netcom.com(Jesse
How ignorant are you? I specificaly said I don't "mosh" at ska
shows!!!!! I love skanking at ska shows and I don't go off and punch
or kick people. The only time I mosh is in the pit at hardcore punk
shows where everyone else is doing the exact same thing. I agree with
you about people that mosh at ska shows... they should not be
tolorated!
Jesse Beck
In <528l1l$7...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com> bou...@ix.netcom.com(Justin
Hm, I guess that wasn't the whole post. I guess I never read the whole
thing. And to answer your question, I'm not very ignorant at all...
Kurlypimp
M.C. To Be Named Later
In article <3245A3...@earthlink.net>, Phil Hobbs <pmh...@earthlink.net> writes:
>Matthew R Green wrote:
>>
>> ok so i've not bitched about this much until now, but here it is:
>>
>> the other night i went to see mu330, a band i love dearly. the first
>> opener was a bad punk band, but the second was a pretty cool local
>> (pittsburgh) ska band. i would've enjoyed their show a lot if it weren't
>> for a small group of assholes who started moshing while everyone else
>> was skanking. it's hard to dance when you've got 200 pounds of asshole
>> pushing you all over the place. thankfully the assholes left during the
>> first few mu330 songs so i could enjoy their show. now i've run into
>> the same problem at many other ska shows and basically it just really
>> sucks. who are these fuckers who mosh at a ska show and how do we stop
>> them? or am i the only one who's had this problem?
If my memory serves me correctly, at the Toasters show on the 29th in Philly at
the Troc, a small pit broke out, and at the end of the song, Buck stated how he
didn't like moshing, and that the crowd should dance without moshing. He then
taught the crowd how to do the Bounce. It was pretty cool, the whole fact
that he put out an alternative. I feel moshing is cool at certain shows, but
really doesn't have much of a place at a ska show.
--Nate Runkel
NW...@grove.iup.edu
http://www.iup.edu/~nwkf/
Justin Tracy
In <528p10$e...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com> orgn...@ix.netcom.com(Jesse
Beck) writes:
>
>
>
>
>Hm, I guess that wasn't the whole post. I guess I never read the whole
>thing. And to answer your question, I'm not very ignorant at all...
>
>Kurlypimp
I didn't mean to sound mean and call you ignorant, I wrote that in
the morning and I'm very moody in the morning. I just get frustrated
when people take things out of context.
Justin Swanson
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the Goofs are tentative to play this one, too, but it is still
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$5 7:00 p.m. all ages, Saturday Sept. 28th.
The Feds are Ken Weevil's (Bollweevils, Duh!!!!) new band, and include Mark
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Dr Castrato and the Measles are making their 3rd appearance in
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Rounding out the night are the Invaders from beautiful downtown
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the legion hall is across from the bowling alley in Princeton. yay.
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fishstylee
Justin Tracy <bou...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<526vdr$r...@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>...
> In <01bba8cb$4243fd00$5706d9cd@danfish> "fishstylee"
> <fishs...@aol.com> writes:
> >
> >Justin Tracy <bou...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
> >
> >> When I talk about moshing people do think of Pearl Jam type moshing
> but I
> >refer to the kicking and punching type.<
> >
> >kicking and punching? why would you go into the pit with those
> intentions?
> > that's not what it's all about.
> >-carla
> >
> intention is not to hurt anyone. The worst injury I've seen at a show
> was a single bloody nose. For the most part people in the pit respect
> each other and won't aim their punches and kicks. If you don't like,
> don't go into the pit!
>
>
>
>But the intention is not to hurt anyone.<
good, i was just checkin your mentality on the whole pit/violence thing.
<For the most part people in the pit respect each other and won't aim their
punches and kicks.<
you're right, respect and unity are what it should be all about. but, it's
agressive dancing and shite happens.
>If you don't like, don't go into the pit!<
what? i didn't say anything about no like. thanx for the warning, but
i've been in the pit since the mid 80's. believe me, i know what agressive
dancing/slamming is all about. and i know what shows it's appropriate for,
and a traditional roots ska show is not one of them.
-carla
fishstylee
Jesse Beck <orgn...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<52779p$a...@sjx-ixn6.ix.netcom.com>...
> In <01bba8cb$4243fd00$5706d9cd@danfish> "fishstylee"
> <fishs...@aol.com> writes:
> >
> >Justin Tracy <bou...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
> >
> >> When I talk about moshing people do think of Pearl Jam type moshing
> but I
> >refer to the kicking and punching type.<
> >
> >kicking and punching? why would you go into the pit with those
> intentions?
> > that's not what it's all about.
> >-carla
> >
>
>
> idea what ska is all about, nor will he ever. People like him need to
> stay out of the pit, because I don't take that kind of shit. I punch
> back, call me a hypocrit, but if someone punches or kicks me on
> PURPOSE, I don't like it. Once, I will tolerate, but repeatedly? No
> way.
>
> Kurlypimp
>
tolerance...well, then it's gonna become a boot party.
-carla
these boot's were made for walkin
and that's just what they'll do.
one of these daze these boots are
gonna walk all over you....
fishstylee
>
when everyone is into it, and the band is right there with you, it's
beautiful. i'm just sick and tired of this jock mentality and hate(and
i'm not accusing you of this) coming into the punk scene. now it just seems
like everyone entering the pit has something to prove these daze....
-carla
Jesse Beck
In <529b39$1...@sjx-ixn2.ix.netcom.com> bou...@ix.netcom.com(Justin
>
>
>
Don't worry 'bout it Boutros, I hate agruments anyways. My motto
would be "peace", but I'm not a hippy.
Kurlypimp
Joe Curtis
This might be a little off subject but I think that was the concert I
went to with my sis. She got to sing with them to Monna ( I think
that's how you spell it.). I just want to say that I am totally against
moshing at ska concerts but no punk concerts.
Ryan M. Basile
them. there is nothing mroe annoying then getting all ruded up in a nice
suit and shoes and hat, and then have some mother fucker scuff your
shoes, wrinkle your suit, and then I have to go bloody up my knuckles
when he bumps into the cute rudegirl @ the show. Keep moshing at
hardcore shows. I want to skank at a ska show.
And for the ignorant kids. You say well hey Skankin' Pickle and
the
Bosstones have fast tempos, so therefore I can mosh to it. JUST BECAUSE
THEY MAY cover a hardcore song or have a fast tempo does not give you
the right to mosh. It's called skanking fast, and it is much more fun. I
hate when I bring a girl to a show (especially for the first time),
before hand explaining skanking and ska + they get all excited about
dancing, and then it's a bunch of undersexed guys mosh around. LET'S
SKANK!!!!
-Ryan
Toobs
fishstylee wrote:
> kicking and punching? why would you go into the pit with those intentions?
> that's not what it's all about.
>
It's totally get worse at a 21+ shows. Too much beers, I guess.
--
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On Sep 23, 1996 21:28:27 in article <Re: moshing at ska shows>,
'bou...@ix.netcom.com(Justin Tracy)' wrote:
>>Justin Tracy <bou...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
>>
>>> When I talk about moshing people do think of Pearl Jam type moshing
>but I
>>refer to the kicking and punching type.<
>>
>intentions?
>> that's not what it's all about.
>It's the way it is at hardcore shows around here. But the
>intention is not to hurt anyone. The worst injury I've seen at a show
>was a single bloody nose. For the most part people in the pit respect
>each other and won't aim their punches and kicks. If you don't like,
>don't go into the pit!
hardcore shows, isn't there? Not that I regularly attend hardcore shows or
anything, but it seems as if there's some sort of semi-coreographed crowd
behaviour, people help each other up if they fall, and next to no one gets
hurt. Also, sometimes the bands regularly complain about uneducated people
who don't know the scene and hurt people because they don't understand the
dances. On the other hand, I had a friend who went to a Sonic Youth
concert and got pretty badly stomped on by some dork who didn't know what
he was doing. I guess that might be referred to as "Pearl Jam moshing."
Michelle
Justin Tracy
In <01bbaa5d$200e2920$2c06d9cd@danfish> "fishstylee"
<fishs...@aol.com> writes:
>right, there is nothing better than a great punk show with a hectic
pit.
>when everyone is into it, and the band is right there with you, it's
>beautiful. i'm just sick and tired of this jock mentality and
hate(and
>i'm not accusing you of this) coming into the punk scene. now it just
seems
>like everyone entering the pit has something to prove these daze....
>-carla
I went to see The Riverdales play about a year ago (unfortunately I
had to listen to Green Day after) there were a couple of big guys that
would just stand in the pit and push people when they got close, wether
they were dancing or not. That just makes me sick, but they thought
they were the coolest people in the world. The band finaly told them
to cut that shit out and if anybody sees them do it again gang up on
them. They stoped..... I guess they were afraid of a bunch MTV junkies
that were there.
People just don't understand what punk is about, thanks in no small
part to commercial radio and MTV. I just hope the same thing doesn't
happen to ska....
Justin Tracy
In <01bbaa5b$50056fa0$2c06d9cd@danfish> "fishstylee"
agressive
>dancing/slamming is all about. and i know what shows it's appropriate
for,
>and a traditional roots ska show is not one of them.
>-carla
I agree with you there, too many people think that if there's music
playing it's alright to slam. I don't like those people. Same thing
goes for the assholes that I see grinding up behind someone unwelcome
at the '80's shows, the next guy (that makes it even worse!) that does
it to me is going to have his balls hanging from his uvula.
I just had to get that all off my chest, I feel better now.
Scott Jackson
r
> There is a time and a place for moshing. And ska shows are not one of
> them. there is nothing mroe annoying then getting all ruded up in a nice
> suit and shoes and hat, and then have some mother fucker scuff your
> shoes, wrinkle your suit, and then I have to go bloody up my knuckles
> when he bumps into the cute rudegirl @ the show. Keep moshing at
> hardcore shows. I want to skank at a ska show.
> And for the ignorant kids. You say well hey Skankin' Pickle and
> the
> Bosstones have fast tempos, so therefore I can mosh to it. JUST BECAUSE
> THEY MAY cover a hardcore song or have a fast tempo does not give you
> the right to mosh. It's called skanking fast, and it is much more fun. I
> hate when I bring a girl to a show (especially for the first time),
> before hand explaining skanking and ska + they get all excited about
> dancing, and then it's a bunch of undersexed guys mosh around. LET'S
> SKANK!!!!
>
> -Ryan
I love skankin as much as the next guy, and to most ska, I'm content to
keep to myself. But don't you agree that it's kinda fun when a tempo or
a riff makes you want to leave the floor tile you are stationary over
and run around a little? Without the dicks in there, you can still skank
(or your own version), and bounce around and enjoy the beats without
getting violent (ie people may bump around, but it's NOT moshing).
At a Let's Go Bowling show, I'll skank. And at a Glow Skulls show, I'd
move around a little more. Skanking gets a little old after an hour
anyway, wouldn't you agree? Just cuz it's the popular dance associated
with ska doesn't mean it's the only dance you can do. Let's keep things
fresh. That's my take on things.
-Action Jackson
http://www.lafayette.edu/~jacksons/ska.html
travis martin
M.C. To Be Named Later wrote:
> If my memory serves me correctly, at the Toasters show on the 29th in Philly at
> the Troc, a small pit broke out, and at the end of the song, Buck stated how he
> didn't like moshing, and that the crowd should dance without moshing. He then
> taught the crowd how to do the Bounce. It was pretty cool, the whole fact
> that he put out an alternative. I feel moshing is cool at certain shows, but
> really doesn't have much of a place at a ska show.
>
> --Nate Runkel
> NW...@grove.iup.edu
> http://www.iup.edu/~nwkf/
Yeah, the supertones (christian ska) did the same thing at a recent show. Buncha
tuff guys were moshing and the lead singer told them they don't like that stuff.
Todd Ostermeier
On Sun, 22 Sep 1996, William Liu wrote:
> Could someone describe to me what SKANKING is? Sorry if this sounds
> like a stupid question but I recently got into ska and would like to
> know more. Thanks.
>
> Will
>
>
Go to a live ska show. Someone will skank, and pick it up from them.
That's what I did. It is kind-of-a-running-type-of-thing. You'll know
it when you see it.
fishstylee
Todd Ostermeier
On 27 Sep 1996, One Kosher Pickle wrote:
> :d9cd@danfish>
> Organization: retards, inc.
> Distribution:
>
> fishstylee (fishs...@aol.com) wrote:
> : Justin Tracy <bou...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
> too late. i attended a recent blue meanies/mu330/mephiskapheles show in
> chicago, and all you had was a mosh pit...a few rudeboys dancing, but just
> a few. they even moshed to the mephiskapheles!@# makes me SICK.
>
>
>
I was at a Blue Meanies/Mephiskapheles show, and yes there was a pit
during the Meanies, but it was small. And during Meph, *everybody in the
place* was skanking there butts off. It was great.
Todd Ostermeier
Toobs
When they start stage diving depart like the Red Sea ande they will learn
their leason.
fishstylee
One Kosher Pickle <dino...@terra.igcom.net> wrote in article
<52ffad$5...@moon.igcom.net>...
that sux. the last time i saw mephi in chiskago there wasn't a pit.
-carla
Rodney
About that Meph show, I had a similar experience. I saw them in NYC back in
July, and the club was packed...I got stuck dancing by the door, I couldn't
get within 30 feet of the stage. Not that I would've wanted to at that
particular show. They finished with doomsday, I made my way towards the
stage to get my flight (which I had stashed underneath)...and Meph did an
encore. So I got stuck in the middle...there was a half nekked,
grungy-metal-head looking fellow who was jumping around and slamming into
me; not a pleasant experience. But given time, I'm certain that half the
people at Wetlands that night will be listening to another genre by next
year...well, I hope. I'd hate to go through that again.
- Rodney
Justin Tracy
In <52a1gd$s...@news1.t1.usa.pipeline.com>
die_...@usa.pipeline.com(Michelle Chen) writes:
>
>By the way, there's usually some sort of pit netiquette being
exercised at
>hardcore shows, isn't there? Not that I regularly attend hardcore
shows or
>anything, but it seems as if there's some sort of semi-coreographed
crowd
>behaviour, people help each other up if they fall, and next to no one
gets
>hurt. Also, sometimes the bands regularly complain about uneducated
people
>who don't know the scene and hurt people because they don't understand
the
>dances. On the other hand, I had a friend who went to a Sonic Youth
>concert and got pretty badly stomped on by some dork who didn't know
what
>he was doing. I guess that might be referred to as "Pearl Jam
moshing."
>
>
>Michelle
At all the shows I've been to there was always a sort of
pitiquette. As soon as someone even starts to fall there are people
ready to help him get up. I've really seen any assholes at hardcore
shows since most of the people have been in the scene for a long time.
The only problem I have with anybody at hardcore shows are the vegans,
most (but not all) are assholes to everyone thats not like them, plus
they are terrorists.
At the Green Day/Riverdales show there were many people that didn't
have a clue and the bands actually had to tell people to pick people up
when they fall.... very sad.
Jesse Beck
In <5277kj$k...@en.com> pl...@en.com (Dan Plato) writes:
>
>
>> I have never been kicked in the balls at hardcore show, but I've
>>been hit just about everywere else, there's some sort of mutual
respect
>>when it comes to that. Don't kick me there and I won't kick you
there.
>> I used the word mosh for lack of a better term, some people use slam
>>dancing but I'm too fond of that one either. When I talk about
moshing
>>people do think of Pearl Jam type moshing but I refer to the kicking
>>dancing, thats why I "mosh" at hardcore shows and dance at ska shows.
>
>Why the fuck would you pay to go to a show and get kicked and punched?
>You couldn't even hear the music?
>---
>Dan Plato
>pl...@en.com
>http://www.en.com/users/plato/ska
>skankin' ska page - "pick it up"
>
Why would anyone PAY $3-$15 to get punched or kicked ANYWHERE?! That is
INSANE.
Kurlypimp
Poliana Irizarry
i have a good story about that happening at a Gal's Panic show at the Texas Union
in Austin, Tx. sure, it was cool to mosh, but it was a really tight li'l hall,
so everyone had to be careful. there were these two ABSOLTUE dumbfucks who were
just getting in everyone's face. one of them tried to stage dive OFF OF THE ONE
FOOT HIGH STAGE!!! he must have left his brain at home that night... so the
crowd parted and he landed flat on his ass. stupid is as stupid does... =-)*
Silvercow
Okay, this thread is long enough, and there's been enough of people
calling each assholes, poseurs, pussies, losers, whatever. I admit it,
moshing is fun, but all fun has its place, particularly moshing. Most
moshing is done on more or less good terms, I don't know what "Pearl Jam
moshing" is, so I don't want to argue whatever point that person who
mentioned it had. I do agree that if you're moshing, you should moshing,
only if other people are moshing. Don't try to start a pit at a two tone
show (ugh), but there are some cases when moshing at a "ska" show is
appropriate. Last night, I went to see a "ska" show, but there were
non-ska, punk bands playing. It was plenty appropriate to mosh when
Assorted Jellybeans was playing, but no one moshed when Skankin' Pickle
was on, and for good reason, they are ska (even though they are getting
punkier as we speak). Don't mosh, when a ska band is playing, unless they
are more than ska. Moshing at a VGS show might be acceptable, depending on
the crowd. PLease, what ever you do, if you must mosh, don't try to get
other people who don't want to go in, into the pit, it's seriously
obnoxious, and if that person isn't ready to get, he/she could get
seriously hurt, which isn't cool. Anyone who kicks high enough to get
someone in the balls, deserves to get beaten up, they must be dickheads.
Real moshers don't want to get hurt, and they realise that the golden rule
applies to moshing: do unto others, what you would like others to do unto
you. Most people just push, people tend not to punch, and the closest
thing to kicking is getting kneed.
So here's the skinny on moshing:
1. Do unto others what you want others to do unto you.
2. Don't kick or punch, just shove and push around.
3. Don't try to mosh at a show where it would be innapropriate (ie a
two tone show)
4. Don't push people into the pit if they obviously don't want to go
into the pit. There is one exception to this rule (see rule #6)
5. You may mosh at a "ska" show, since not all the bands are always
ska. Also, at some ska shows, where a ska band is playing, it might be
okay to mosh if they are punk, or something similar.
6. Don't throw salt into people's eyes in mosh pits. This applies to
outside of mosh pits too. Anyone who does that deserves a serious
bruising, and possibly might get "accidentally" pushed into the pit, where
he/she might seriously regret having thrown salt into someone's eyes.
Don't do anything in general that is a fairly asshole-like thing to do.
That's about it, if you want to add anything, do so.
The cow. MOOOOOOOoo!!!
Silvercow
One thing that I forgot to add to the the skinny of moshing is:
7. This is a big one. If someone falls, help them up. Let me say that
again. If someone falls, HELP THEM UP! There's nothing worse than getting
trampled on in a mosh pit, and you should be considered a big fuck up, if
you leave someone on the floor.
The ska's the limit!
Mooooo
SAdamescu
>Why would anyone PAY $3-$15 to get punched or kicked ANYWHERE?! That is
>INSANE.
>Kurlypimp
It's a great release... Something about the intensity of the music, the
atmosphere...
Wroth
Mark Grossman
Todd Ostermeier wrote:
>
> On Sun, 22 Sep 1996, William Liu wrote:
>
> > Could someone describe to me what SKANKING is? Sorry if this sounds
> > like a stupid question but I recently got into ska and would like to
> > know more. Thanks.
> >
> > Will
But watch out. That shit is addicting. I walk down the hallway in
school and have the urge to just start skanking, but I stop myself.
When you listen to ska music though its an irresistable urge--can't be
stopped--at least for me. Go crazy at shows. Buy the Reel Big Fish
CD. It kicks ass.
Todd Ostermeier
On Wed, 2 Oct 1996 dark...@starlinx.com wrote:
> i dont like this at all... when i saw
> mephiskapheles/goldfinger/buzzcocks, there was this genuine asshole
> who took it upon himself to push everyone... in fact i got floored
> three times, after the third time i was quite close to kicking the
> bastard in the balls, had someone else not beat me to it... of course,
> he was prolly one of those fratboy jock fucks who gets his jollies by
> shoving people around for skanking...
I resent that. I am in a fine fraternity here at the University of
Illinois, and neither I nor any of my brothers have ever felt the need to
get jollies from pushing people rather than skaning. I wouldn't call me
a jock, but I am a "fratboy". Before you go stereotyping people, please
try to learn a little bit about them first. Thank you.
___________________________________________________________________________
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oste...@students.uiuc.edu | - Mephiskapheles |
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dark...@starlinx.com
Toobs <Aqua...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>When they start stage diving depart like the Red Sea ande they will learn
>their leason.
>--
>Toobs
yeah, I've been to 2 bosstones shows at the troc and philly... its
really cool cause we're allowed up on stage... however, there are
quite a few mighty fine TUFFNUTS that like to do this funky kamikaze
karate type kicking thing when launching themselves off the stage, and
many a time i've caught a nasty steel-toed boot to the noggin... once
i got knocked over, and when i got up and turned around, this foot
came flying... the next thing i know, blood's dripping from my nose...
i mean, there's a time and a place for moshing (ummm, try a HARDCORE
show!)... at a ska show, spread out so we can get some dancing and
skanking going on...
xkevinx
dark...@starlinx.com
not...@not.here (Silvercow) wrote:
>So here's the skinny on moshing:
> 1. Do unto others what you want others to do unto you.
> 2. Don't kick or punch, just shove and push around.
i dont like this at all... when i saw
mephiskapheles/goldfinger/buzzcocks, there was this genuine asshole
who took it upon himself to push everyone... in fact i got floored
three times, after the third time i was quite close to kicking the
bastard in the balls, had someone else not beat me to it... of course,
he was prolly one of those fratboy jock fucks who gets his jollies by
shoving people around for skanking...
> 3. Don't try to mosh at a show where it would be innapropriate (ie a
Frank W. Stearns Jr.
Jesse Beck (orgn...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: Why would anyone PAY $3-$15 to get punched or kicked ANYWHERE?! That is
: INSANE.
: Kurlypimp
The problem is the large influx of alternatwits from the MTV generation
who have started frequenting SKA shows, at least in D.C. They've been to
some many "alternative" concerts that they think moshing is acceptabel
everywhere. I just hope that they'll stop coming when they realise that
SKA isn't like Goldfinger.
wond...@eden.com
Frank W. Stearns Jr. (fste...@liberty.uc.wlu.edu) wrote:
: : Why would anyone PAY $3-$15 to get punched or kicked ANYWHERE?! That is
: : INSANE.
: : Kurlypimp
: The problem is the large influx of alternatwits from the MTV generation
: who have started frequenting SKA shows, at least in D.C. They've been to
: some many "alternative" concerts that they think moshing is acceptabel
: everywhere. I just hope that they'll stop coming when they realise that
: SKA isn't like Goldfinger.
The solution might be to stand up and be counted. Be a true rudeboy,
give them a few friendly warnings, then do unto others as they are doing
to you. All it takes is a few friendly skinhead warnings at local shows,
and all the kids play nice.
Waiting for them to go away is bound to just be frustrating.
Sean