CHRISTIAN SKA
Javier Torres
-------------X-Unity Through Ska-X-------------
Sarah Dasher
Well, there's the aforementioned Mephiskapheles. (?)
Godspeed,
Sylk
Davwish
county they are on tooth and nail records and their first album comes out
in march. On Febuary 3 they play with The Isrealites and The Spivies At
Azusa Pacific University
C YA
Jeff"Skankin'
Master"Shibley
Edward Morris
writes:
>Can anyone tell me if ther are any Christian Ska or Oi bands out
there?
Sure! The Israelites from L.A. play traditional ska with a strong
Christian influence. They have a couple of 7" singles and a tape out
and they can be heard on a few of the Steady Beat compilations. The
single with the photo collage on it is the best.
Respect.
---Ted
Danny
> Christian ska? What the hell are you talking about?!!
well, what about Mephiskapheles? what the hell is that all about?!! if we
can have that, then we can have Jesus ska.
****************************************************************************
Danny Muth "Stand in the place where you are,"
ddm...@ucdavis.edu -R.E.M.
Tommi
Tommi
Ska Grrrl
Massachusetts area, I will be posting ska show dates here regularly.
At Pearl St. in Northampton, MA:
Mephiskapheles/SMA/THe Snappers/Lofi BIg Band on Jan.
19th; $6 in advance...$7 at the door. All ages.
Coming this spring....Bimskalabim
ARaisin257
Danny <ez05...@peseta.ucdavis.edu> writes:
>well, what about Mephiskapheles? what the hell is that all about?!! if we
>can have that, then we can have Jesus ska.
>
>
that isn't really satanic though. They're just making fun of all the
bands that say they're satanic.
LAHC Student
them latley, but from what people are saying they have gotten a lot
better. They are supposed to be playing on Friday the 26 at Mogals in
Hollywood. If you want to get in touch with them write to Rich's P.O.
Box #. It's on the back of there little 45 they came out with.
RuDiMeNt39
it to ska music because i will get you in the after life.
atom (rather be insane)
SAdamescu
>THE ULTIMATE SKANKER---JESUS CHRIST
>>The word of the day is CHEESE...i think this guy went to too many days
of
>>sunday school
AHH don't remind me of Sunday Skool! AHHH Mr. weimers..."Ohmmm...hello
boys and girls...Ohmmmm" AHHHHH
Ska-coholic
Christianity, but once you work through the fluff and hypocrisy, there
are some really cool churches out there, with the real message. For
instance, my church over the sumer hosted a concert, and my other band,
JLM played a 32-song set, all of which was popular (I hate to say it)
alternnative music, but the negative lyrics were slightly changed to
make the songs less angry or depressing. It was a free show with a
complete light and video system, fully equipped stage, and about 1,100
kids from all over the mid-Atlantic. Next year, we're adding some ska.
I am interested in hearing some of this "Christian Ska", mostly out of
curiosity. There is a lot of cheese-Christian music, but once in a while
you find a gem.
Also note, this message is posted by Jeff Conlin and does not reflect
the feelings of the rest of the Ska-Coholics.
Replies : jeff....@ffbbs.com
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Pete Peterson
> I am interested in hearing some of this "Christian Ska", mostly out of
> curiosity. There is a lot of cheese-Christian music, but once in a while
> you find a gem.
>
> Also note, this message is posted by Jeff Conlin and does not reflect
> the feelings of the rest of the Ska-Coholics.
>
Jeff..................
Haven't really heard that much "Christian Ska" except for "The
Israelites" out of Cali, and, of course, some of the originals
like Desmond Dekker.
I just picked up a cd by a band called "Christafari" - it's reggae
with some dancehall . . . but it's still pretty good. Apparently
they were on the last Sunsplash tour.
Hope it helps
"The Lion Says I Am King"..........Desmond Dekker
Over&Out
PNP
Skalidays
Todd William Stadler
: Christian Ska - WHAT A DUMB IDEA!!!!!!
Gee, well at least you, like, listened to it and judged it based on what
it sounded like, and didn't just decide to denounce a subgenre based on
whatever you happen to believe.
I mean, you wouldn't be so silly as to post to a newsgroup about ska (and
very little about what people's personal dogmas are) without knowing anything
about the ska groups mentioned, would you? (and the band about which this
thread was started, the Supertones, won't release their album until May '96,
so I know there might be a flaw here)
To say that Christian ska is dumb is to say that ska is dumb, because, hey,
it's STILL SKA! Wow! If it stinks, it is called BAD SKA. If it is good,
great...more good ska! I really doubt most people know what many ska songs
are about, so if you don't like the lyrical content, fine, skank on anyways.
And if you have a problem with Christianity, well, then I suppose you just
have a problem.
Todd Stadler (sta...@owlnet.rice.edu)
http://www.rice.edu/~stadler, & http://www.rice.edu/~gouge/twinkies.html
A guy whose own non-Christian ska band regularly plays Dekker's "Honor your
Mother..." to crowds who seem to enjoy it, mainly 'cause it's an old skool
song. Deal.
Pete Peterson
Yeh, duh . . . I KNOW!!!!!! Where would anyone ever get
such a goooooooooofy idea? I mean it's not like this dopey
Christian ska would have any roots in early ska history!!!!
Well, while you knuckleheads keep thinking about such dumb things,
I'll just keep "Giving Thanks and Praise" and "Honoring My
Mother and Father."
"The Lion Says I Am King" - - - Desmond Dekker
"Read about yourself! Learn about your culture!" - Flava Flav
Over&Out
PNP
Rachel Shoshana Carson
>
> Yeh, duh . . . I KNOW!!!!!! Where would anyone ever get
> such a goooooooooofy idea? I mean it's not like this dopey
> Christian ska would have any roots in early ska history!!!!
You guys might want to try THINKing before you post. Don't you know that
some of the first wave ska was praise music for Rasta? And if ska has
such strong ties to things like happiness, reconciliation, and a good work
ethic, why can't a Christian skank it up just as well as anybody else?
>
> Well, while you knuckleheads keep thinking about such dumb things,
> I'll just keep "Giving Thanks and Praise"
I thought it especially funny that you should mention this, since it's an
EXACT QUOTE from Bob Marley's "One Love". IN case you didn't know, Marley
and the Wailers did ska long before they did reggae. loverachel
--
Rachel Shoshana Carson <mailto:rsca...@icon-stl.net>
<http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rscarson/>
"Fools," said I, "don't you know that silence like a cancer grows?"
Phil
nonsense:
>>I thought it especially funny that you should mention this, since
>>it's an EXACT QUOTE from Bob Marley's "One Love".
It was in reference to ska has its roots in rasta, therefore, ska +
Jesus = christian ska. Rastafarians believe that they are Jews, the
lost tribe of Israel, thus their adoption of the Star of David.
Although they believe in Jesus (similar to Muslims), they believe
that Haile Selassie I, Jah Rastafari, is the second coming.
That's why I find it ridiculous that someone would try to force
Christian beliefs on a music that is based on rastafarian roots.
It's kind of like when that chanting monk stuff became popular and
you would have rave songs with gregorian chants -- taking something
that is deeply rooted in religion and stripping it of its context to
make it secular music. I was channel surfing one day and happened
upon TBN, and this band was playing some kind of grunge/thrash and
people were stage diving and "moshing". The band was really bad, but
the kicker was that the lead singer was screeching "Christ Rules" or
some other such nonsense. Go figure.
Mike Mr. Groovy Toole
: You guys might want to try THINKing before you post. Don't you know that
: some of the first wave ska was praise music for Rasta? And if ska has
: such strong ties to things like happiness, reconciliation, and a good work
: ethic, why can't a Christian skank it up just as well as anybody else?
Eh? I thought that most early REGGAE was rasta-related music,
while much early ska was Christian. Just listen-- there's the Wailers'
"Amen", the Blues Busters' "Wings of a Dove", Desmond Dekker's "Honour
Your Mother and Father", the Maytals' "Six and Seven Books of Moses"..
I don't understand why everyone's so scared of the idea that ska can have
religious ties. As long as the music is good and danceable, it's fine by
me-- and I'm not even Christian.
--
sla...@titan.oit.umass.edu -- Michael "Mr. Groovy" Toole
"Stop talking like me Mike, or I'll complain."
--Shawn Roske
Jamie Bogner
<7266...@CompuServe.COM> wrote:
-> That's why I find it ridiculous that someone would try to force
-> Christian beliefs on a music that is based on rastafarian roots.
Do your homework before posting this kind of crap. In the early 1960's
when ska was in it's formative stages, Rastafarianism was a fringe cult in
Jamaica, and Rastafarians were not thought of very highly in Jamaican
popular culture. Ska's roots are *NOT* in Rastafarianism, and aren't in
any religion at all. Many of the original ska musicians were either
Christian or not religious, that's why we have Prince Buster tunes like
"Feel the Spirit,""The Prophet," Blues Busters tunes like "Amen," and a
slew of other gospel tunes set to ska.
Rastafarians were literal outcasts in Jamaican society at the time ska was
forming. In 1960, the University of the West Indies published the "Report
on the Rastafari Movement in Kingston, Jamaica" which was written to stave
off mounting hostility toward the Rastas because they were sterotyped in
extremely negative ways. I seriously doubt that in 1960, as ska was
forming, Rastafarians had a great deal to do with the music business,
since at that point they were simply trying to exist peacefully and avoid
the mounting violence towards them. Read Roger Mais' _Brother Man_ for a
good portrait of how Rastas in that time period were treated.
Rastafarianism didn't really enter into the musical scene until long after
ska was gone.
The point is, Rastafarianism was not related to the formation of ska,
while Christianity actually played a role. You're off base saying that
Rastafarianism is at the root of ska, and criticising bands that
incorporate a Christian message into their music...
Jamie
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Genghis Cohen
rsca...@icon-stl.net (Rachel Shoshana Carson) wrote:
Well, actually Rachel, Rasta isn't a Christian religion.
Not that there aren't plenty of Christian Ska songs:
"This Train" (Wailers, original version)
"Six and Seven Books of Moses" (Maytals) (Judeo-Christian)
"What a Man Doeth" (Eric Morris)
Actually, the ska period probably contains the majority of Christian songs
in the ska/rocksteady/reggae idiom, because in the late 60s the emphasis
switched much more heavily to Rasta.
--Art
: >
: > Yeh, duh . . . I KNOW!!!!!! Where would anyone ever get
: > such a goooooooooofy idea? I mean it's not like this dopey
: > Christian ska would have any roots in early ska history!!!!
:
: You guys might want to try THINKing before you post. Don't you know that
: some of the first wave ska was praise music for Rasta? And if ska has
: such strong ties to things like happiness, reconciliation, and a good work
: ethic, why can't a Christian skank it up just as well as anybody else?
: >
: > Well, while you knuckleheads keep thinking about such dumb things,
: > I'll just keep "Giving Thanks and Praise"
:
: I thought it especially funny that you should mention this, since it's an
: EXACT QUOTE from Bob Marley's "One Love". IN case you didn't know, Marley
: and the Wailers did ska long before they did reggae. loverachel
:
: --
: Rachel Shoshana Carson <mailto:rsca...@icon-stl.net>
: <http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~rscarson/>
: "Fools," said I, "don't you know that silence like a cancer grows?"
"Too much bad weed is in the garden
I and I a go weed them out" -- Junior Murvin
Boston Ska home page: http://www.profane.com/ska
Skatalites: http://www.profane.com/skatalites
Pete Peterson
>
>
> >
> > Yeh, duh . . . I KNOW!!!!!! Where would anyone ever get
> > such a goooooooooofy idea? I mean it's not like this dopey
> > Christian ska would have any roots in early ska history!!!!
>
> You guys might want to try THINKing before you post. Don't you know that
> some of the first wave ska was praise music for Rasta? And if ska has
> such strong ties to things like happiness, reconciliation, and a good work
> ethic, why can't a Christian skank it up just as well as anybody else?
> >
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa..........Hold on there horsey.....
Can't you see, I say, Can't you see I'm agreeing with 'ya???? I
know the first guys like Desmond Dekker wrote lyrics with Biblical
and Christian themes. There was a time when it was ok to write
about such things...but it's just not coooooooooooool enough
anymore.
I mean, you ask me, Christianity and ska go together like....... go
together like......uh.......go together like, well..........
peanut butter and chocolate.
"The Lion Says I Am King".........Desmond Dekker
"Read about yourself....Learn about your culture"...Flava Flav
Over&Out
PNP
Keith Edward Casner
music, and really hates 99.999% of Christian music:
CHRISTAFARI is a *good band*. It's not ska... there are only a couple of
vaguely ska-ish tracks, and I am very selective about the reggae I enjoy,
with only the most musically original or well-executed attracting me, but
I like Christafari, musically.
This is coming from a guy, let me repeat, who has bought one other
Christian album ever, and that was by a really wild choral-jewish
traditional music band called David's Hope, who constantly criticizes his
friends for listening to trashy Christian rock.
So check them out, if you are interested in good music, especially good
music with a good message.
Stay frosty,
Keith
--
Keith E. Casner diom...@uclink.berkeley.edu
Karaoke is life; the rest is details
Jerry McDonald
diom...@uclink.berkeley.edu (Keith Edward Casner) wrote:
>Let me toss in the opinion of a guy who really loves Christ, really loves
>music, and really hates 99.999% of Christian music:
>
>CHRISTAFARI is a *good band*. It's not ska... there are only a couple of
>vaguely ska-ish tracks, and I am very selective about the reggae I enjoy,
>with only the most musically original or well-executed attracting me, but
>I like Christafari, musically.
Hi a.m.s.
I've been a lurker for months on this group. I'm not real knowledgable 'bout
the scene so I tend to stay out of the conversation. But I believe I can add
something to this discussion. I believe in the original post of this thread
someone was looking for "Christian ska" bands, not about whether ska has roots
in Christianity. Now over on rec.music.christian the topic of christian ska
bands comes up ocassionally. Three names I've heard thrown around are The
Supertones (just signed to Tooth and Nail Records), The Israelites, and Five
Iron Frenzy. I can't vouch for the quality of the music so I'll leave it at
that. And no Christafari is not a ska band more reggae with some other
Carribean influences.
SIMMERDOWN
>Now over on rec.music.christian the topic of christian ska
>bands comes up ocassionally. Three names I've heard thrown around are
>The Supertones (just signed to Tooth and Nail Records), The Israelites,
>and Five Iron Frenzy. I can't vouch for the quality of the music so I'll
>leave it at that.
I can vouch for The Israelites! Rich, from The Israelites, just sent me
the band's debut CD for me to play on my radio show. It is some of the
best traditional ska I've heard in a long time (on a par with Stubborn All
Stars, Hepcat, Ocean 11)! Those of you who don't want to listen to The
Israelites because they are "Christian" are missing a VERY good band!
My two cents,
DJ Simmerdown
Mad Rasta
> Can't you see, I say, Can't you see I'm agreeing with 'ya???? I
> know the first guys like Desmond Dekker wrote lyrics with Biblical
> and Christian themes. There was a time when it was ok to write
> about such things...but it's just not coooooooooooool enough
> anymore.
>
> I mean, you ask me, Christianity and ska go together like....... go
> together like......uh.......go together like, well..........
> peanut butter and chocolate.
a real Christian. The Golden Rule is great, but when my favorite Christian neighbors gets into
the "abortion is murder!" yet hey, "killing queers if fine by me" stint that I worry. A few days
ago some ever so nice Christian wrote "Why should we tolerate other religions? In the old
testament we killed them all the time." Then these Christians want to censor my right to speak.
Or make me pray to God I don't care about it school. It's ridiculous. IMHO Ska's about tolerance
and enjoying yourself. Personally I don't see much of that in any Christians today.
Pete Peterson
Dear Mad Rasta.......
You haven't met me.
"The Lion Says I Am King" - Desmond Dekker
Over&Out
PNP
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> Hey now. Some of us have had some pretty scary experiences with
> Christianity, but once you work through the fluff and hypocrisy, there
> are some really cool churches out there, with the real message. For
> instance, my church over the sumer hosted a concert, and my other band,
> JLM played a 32-song set, all of which was popular (I hate to say it)
> alternnative music, but the negative lyrics were slightly changed to
> make the songs less angry or depressing. It was a free show with a
> complete light and video system, fully equipped stage, and about 1,100
> kids from all over the mid-Atlantic. Next year, we're adding some ska.
>
> curiosity. There is a lot of cheese-Christian music, but once in a while
> you find a gem.
>
> Also note, this message is posted by Jeff Conlin and does not reflect
> the feelings of the rest of the Ska-Coholics.
>
>
> --
> The Ska-Coholics : Rankin', Crankin', Skankin' and still in High School
> College Park, MD : Dan Roitman is our new guitarist. Now we're good.
-aimee