SkinFAQ v0.20
Stephen Martin
Since assholes do vex me, and a few punks have been e-mailing me asking
about skinheads, and it's apparent that it is necessary, here is the FAQ.
For the next posting of the FAQ (August 15th) I hope to have a section in
memory of Donny the Punk. I'd appreciate any submissions folks might have.
Subject: FAQ: Skinheads (alt.skinheads) Frequently Asked
Questions (Part 1 of 1)
Date: 96/05/17 10:03 a.m.
Version: 0.20
Part: 1 of 1
FAQ for alt.skinheads
Questions and Answers about the Skinhead subculture
Stephen Martin
aj...@freenet.carleton.ca
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1.1: Introduction
In response to all of those, "What do white laces mean?",
"Why do you people hate <insert group here>?" questions, and
because Michelle Chen bemoaned the lack of a proper FAQ, I
present the following information on the Skinhead
subculture. The information in this FAQ has been culled
from the Tomas Willis' alt.music.ska FAQ, and Arthur
LeBouthillier's White Power FAQ, various postings to
alt.skinheads, personal experience, and discussions with
other skinheads.
This is part 1, Version 0.20 (drafty), posted to
alt.skinheads for approval and criticism. This FAQ will be
posted twice a month, whether it needs to be or not.
This FAQ file will also be available for anonymous FTP on
the archive site rtfm.mit.edu as soon as a real version is
produced.
This FAQ file will also be available on the Web once I find
the time to get my web page up and running.
Stephen Martin - aj...@freenet.carleton.ca
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1.2: Table of Contents
1.1 Introduction
1.2 Table of Contents
1.3 What is a Skinhead?
1.4 What is Ska music?
1.5 What is a Mod?
1.6 What is a Chelsea?
1.6.1 Question for you skinchicks: Do you just exclusively
date skinheads?
1.7 What is a SHARP?
1.8 What is a Bonehead?
1.9 What is an Independent Skin?
1.10 What is White Power?
1.11 What is a Hammerskin?
1.12 Why don't you get a life?
1.13 Why do you hate?
1.14 Aren't all Skinheads Nazis/White Supremacists?
1.15 Why be a Nazi?
1.16 Aren't all Skinheads violent little motherfuckers just
itching to fight?
1.17 Why do new Skins need to get beat in?
Part 2
2.0 Skinhead Culture: Culture
2.1 Oi, Oi, Oi, Oi!!!
2.2 Skinheads Media List (v1.3 28APR96) by
d...@progeny.demon.co.uk
2.3 What about 'zines?
2.4 Are there any Skinhead homepages or other Internet
resources?
2.5 Skinheads in the Classroom
2.6 Skinhead Jokes
2.7 What is the best dark beer?
Part 3
3.0 Skinhead Fashions
3.1 What colour are your Docs?
3.2 Boots and Braces don't make a Racist.
3.3 The Late Great Burgundy Flight
3.4 Patches
3.4.1 The Spirit of 69
3.4.2 Crucified Skins
3.5 FREDS!
3.5.1 What the freak is a "wifebeater" ;p?
3.6 Where can I get ???
3.6.1 Anybody have a source for Sta-Prest trouser or
Dickies?
Part 4
4.0 About the Newsgroups
4.1 alt.skinheads
4.2 alt.skinheads.moderated
4.3 alt.skinheads.arent.neo.nazis
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1.3: What is a Skinhead?
Following on the heels of their older brothers and sisters,
the Mods (See: What is a Mod?), in the 1960's British
working class youths adopted a shorter hair style and a more
serious attitude towards life and play.
The Skinheads tended towards physical labour and veered away
from the overly flamboyant Mod style of dress as spoken of
in the Kinks' song "Dedicated Follower of Fashion". The
shaved head and steel toed boots has been said to have
originated amongst dock workers who required the safety of
the steel toes and who shaved their heads as a precaution
against head lice.
It is the Skinheads predeliction towards manual labour
rather than more intellectual pursuits which has lead to the
characterization of Skinheads as being unintelligent, Cro-
Magnons, cannon-fodder for the military and other more or
less polite references. This stereotype is just as abhorent
as any other stereotype that rights activists campaign
against and it is a perfect example of the hypocrisy of
these same activists that they are the ones who perpetuate
it the most. (See: Skinheads in the Classroom)
After a hard days work the original Skinheads tended to
dress in their most respectable clothing and congregate at
the mostly Jamaican run dancehalls where they mingled with
the West Indian community, many of whose members would be
their workmates from the docks, and adopted Ska as the
musical sound of choice.
Other staples of the Skinhead culture are a love of generous
quantities of beer and soccer. (See: What is the best dark
beer?)
The early Skins were not necessarily a racist bunch, as
shown by the melding of the two cultures and the existence
of numerous West Indian Skins. With the continued
immigration from Pakistan things changed and a number of
Skinheads, both black and white, who felt that their jobs
were being threatened turned against the Pakistani community
while others continued to enjoy the fine curries and other
Indian/Pakistani foods.
The high point of the original Skins, sometimes identified
as Trojan Skins was the Summer of '69. The passage of time
saw many Skins settling down, growing their hair out, and
starting families with their girlfriends (See: What is a
Chelsea?)
The mid and late 1970's witnessed a resurgence of the
Skinhead culture with a violent turn as teens adopted the
Skinhead look and took their love of soccer to a fanatical
point. These "Football Hooligans" were devoted to their
chosen Football (Soccer to the rest of the world) teams and
would engage in physical confrontations with the supporters
of opposing teams. Often enough innocent bystanders ended
up taking the brunt of the aggression.
During this time the British Nazi Party and other minor
racist organizations began recruiting their followers from
the ranks of these football thugs and skinhead poseurs and
thus the Boneheads came into being.
Gerrard A. Lindsay (gal...@is.nyu.edu) writes:
uh....skinhead is more than fashion sense and musical
taste, but it definitely requires the two. aside from
working class pride and self-respect the skinhead cult
is still just that, a youth cult.
i know plenty of guys who are proud working class joes
who are not by any definition skinheads. i know tons
of cool people in construction boots and baggy pants
who are not skinheads.
this isn't even really directed at you, i'm just seeing
lots of people using the 'it's not just a fashion' or
'it's not just music' thing to excuse the fact that
they are not really skinheads. if you don't dress like
a skinhead and don't like at least some of the music
(and that don't mean hc), yer not one.
Richard Collins (ric...@netcom.com) writes:
Being a skinhead is alot in your heart. I mean the
fashion is all part of it but you have to have the
belief as well. Some kids can dress the part but not
have the heart, sorry for that rhyme. But I have
friends that have grown out there hair because of jobs
or whatever, I know guys that are too old to bother
with alot of the BS around the scene. They still dress
in a manner condusive (sp) to the skinhead fashion. For
years I just had short hair. Never bald, only as short
as a number two. People didn't even know I was a
skin. Skins knew, punks knew, mods and other people
that are familair with the subculture knew. You don't
have to show the world what you are about unless you
feel that it is nessicarry.
Hey you don't gotta claim anything unless you are in a
crew. I mean if you are a proud working class kid who
knows your roots and believes in yourself you are just
as much a skin as the next man. It's not all about
what you wear or how close you shave the scalp. If I
grew out my hair again I'm no less of a skinhead. Some
people look shitty bald, do the world a favor leave
your crew cut if you have a funky head. I mean just
look at all those bald head NBA players, half of those
guys need to grow it back. Skinhead is more than a
fashion statement, it's a way of life.
Apparent White Supremist MARKW691 wrote:
Being a SKINHEAD is not about being violent and hating
everyone but about perserving a race and nation. Hate
is a word commonly associated with SKINHEADs but it's
not about hate. We are called hate mongers and bigoted
bastards because we want to keep our bloodline clean.
IN a world of impurity we struggle to purify. SKINHEAD
means self-sacrifice and oppression by those who view
our cause as unjust. To be called a racist is not a put
down for the actual definition of a racist is person
who supports and promotes their race. This means that
if you have any pride in your ethnical background you
are a racist. SKINHEADs do not roam the streets looking
for a fight but work as lawyers doctors and prominent
business men. So don't be fooled by media brainwashing
we are not out looking for a fight. Although things
can turn violent, we do not tolerate anyone trying to
desicrate our race by race trading, homosexual
marriages, and anti-white believers. People hate us
because we are proud. Pride by other races is
encouraged and so is race preservation by any others so
long as it does not interfere with our beliefs. Now I
ask you this do you deem it fair for a person to be
hated because they have pride and want to keep
something in this God forsaken world clean?
And, his historical revisioning aside, he actually seems to
have a clue. To build upon what meager truths hes
presented:
Hate is a word commonly associated with SKINHEADs but
it's not about hate. Being a SKINHEAD is not about
being violent and hating everyone but about just plain
living and enjoying life (Beer, Chelseas and Ska
anyone?). We are called hate mongers and bigoted
bastards by those who are as ignorant as they claim us
to be.
SKINHEADs do not roam the streets looking for a fight
but work as tradesmen, shopkeepers, and even [sinking
as low as] lawyers. Don't be fooled by media
brainwashing. We are not out looking for a fight.
Things can turn violent but we do not tolerate anyone
trying to attack us and will defend ourselves.
People hate us because we are proud, we have respect
and honour for ourselves, and for the people who
deserve it (remembering when our institutions were
something to be proud of, when there was more
civilization around us), and they often mistake this
pride for hatred of anything that is non-skinhead.
We really just dont care. We, as individuals, are
proud to be who we are, and if someone else is proud of
who they are, why should it be a problem?
I ask you this, do you deem it fair for a person to be
hated because they have pride in themselves and want to
keep something in this God forsaken world clean? Does
it make sense to you to assume that if a person is
proud to be a Fireman they dont have equal respect for
the Police or Ambulance Attendants, Construction
Workers, etc.? Is it really any different than
assuming that anyone who is proud of their (sub)culture
has nothing but disdain and hatred for other
(sub)cultures?
Think about it.
Graham Wilson (gra...@dircon.co.uk) writes:
we...@ix.netcom.com(Michael Bennett ) wrote:
ARE THEY DIPSHITS OR WHAT. WHO TOLD THEM WHAT A
SKINHEAD WAS. THEY NEED TO CHECK INTO KKK, AND NOT
SKINHEADS. TRUE SKINHEADS ARE ANTI-RACIST. IT
STARTED, BEFORE RACISTS CAME INTO PLAY, IN BRITAIN WITH
THE FRIENDSHIP OF JAMAICAN IMMIGRANTS AND LOCAL BRITISH
YOUTH.
This is where are you wrong. While it is true that outright
racist skinheads are not "original" skinheads in the real
sense, there were / are those skinheads who hold racist
ideals. Whether you or anyone else doesn't like it - in
terms of political opinion, there is no such thing as a set
political stance that provides the "real" definition as to
what a "true" skinhead is or was.
Just like there are non-skinheads who are racist and anti-
racist, equally there are skinheads who hold racist and anti-
racist beliefs. If anything precludes someone from being a
"real" skinhead it is someone who becomes skin believing
that "real" skins are either specifically racist or anti-
racist (bonhead or sharp).
Most skins I know- and it works in both directions- can
respect, although they may not agree with a skinhead who is
a bonehead or a skinhead who is sharp. Someone who is skin
first, politics second (whether it be left or right) most
skins can accept.
There is an important distinction between a skinhead who is
a bonehead and a bonhead skinhead in the same way there is a
distinction between a skin who is sharp and a sharp
skinhead.
The defining factor is which comes first - skinhead or
politics ?
If someone allows their politics (left or right) to be the
defining factor as to whether they are a skinhead, then that
person is a wannabe - using skin image and culture for their
own purely personal ends. Either they are using the way
society labels skins either to reinforce the sterotype that
a skin is only a skin to be racist (putting aside working
class skin history, culture and loyalty in the process) or
(in the case of most modern sharps) because they think it is
really a bit of a laugh to go around challenging the
sterotype image (again skin history, culture and loyalty
being put aside).
It is true that some of the first skins were from Jamaca and
they were involved in crews with white English skins.
Equally, however, some of the first skins were involved in
what was loosely called the "APL" (Anti-Paki League) and it
cannot be denied that both some West Indian and English
skins were involved in - to use the term of the time - "Paki
bashing". These combined crews of English and Jamacans
objected to what they saw as the influx of alien cultures
and beliefs to the UK which was damaging their job
prospects and (for want of a better word) personal values.
The organised racism where racists hijacked the skinhead
image came about during the late 60s and into the 70s and
still exists.
Equally with sharp it came about during the 80s. It's ideals
were honest and whether or not most skins accepted what it
stood for it was respected. However, in the 1990s it seems
to have been hijacked. It now seems more about a society for
trendy sterotype challenging more than anything else.
THEY FOLLOWED THEIR FAVORITE FOOTBALL TEAMS, AND FOUGHT
OPPOSING TEAMS. IT MADE NO DIFFERENCE OF COLOR, AND IT
WAS ABOUT UNITY!!!!
In the early days most crews consisted of a cross-range of
political / cultural / nationalistic beliefs that included
both racist and anti-racist views. However, most were
skinheads first and political second and hence respected
each other. I remember this being the case even during the
mid / late 80s. I can't say that it is so obvious today.
Primarily, I think this comes down to the right wing
becoming more extreme and the left wing becoming more silly.
It is true what you say that with the first skins, colour
was not the defining factor as to whether someone would or
would not be accepted. The fact that Afro-Caribbean skins
existed alongside and together with white English skins
proves that point. However, equally, it is true that racism
was there from the outset against certain foreign nationals
and cultures, as in the APL example above. With the original
skins the racial issue was not a case of all (as bonehead
skins would have you believe) or a case of nothing at all
(as sharp skins would have you believe).
In reality it was there but aimed at specific groups, not
non-white English/British nationals per se.
1.4: What is Ska music?
Ska is dance music, first and foremost. Ska was a Jamaican
dance music that swept out of Jamaica in the early 1960s to
shake the butts of working- and middle-class Jamaicans
before going on, via the West Indian immigrant connection,
to the U.K., and then on to the world. In the U.K., ska was
also known as `blue beat' music. Rocksteady, and later,
reggae sprang from the loins of ska in the late 1960s. Mid-
1970s and 1980s/1990s revivals of this popular dance form
have kept this music alive and fun through the present. The
ska beat on drums and bass, rhythm guitar, lots of horns and
maybe a Hammond organ --- that's the ska sound. [AMS]
Ska came to England with immigrants in the early 1960s.
Known in the U.K. briefly as ``Jamaican Blues,'' ska
inspired the formation of the Blue Beat record company,
providing yet another name for the ska sound: `blue beat.'
Ska gained popularity in the U.K. with the `Mod' scene,
leading to the residual association of small-brimmed trilby
(hats) and scooters with ska music. [HSBR] (For scooter
talk, check out the alt.scooter Usenet group.) [AMS]
1.5: What is a Mod?
Harry Lowes (harry...@unn.ac.uk) writes:
For the record, MODS were *Modernists*. MOD CONS means
*Modern Convieniences*. As in "The flat had all *MOD
CONS*."
James F. Dugan (flu...@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
Mods or modernists were working class youth cult in
England in the 60's. They were very fashion concious
and a product essentially of the space age bigger
better faster culture of the 60's, hence the name.
They also were fans of R&B and Soul (as well as some
ska). Their counterparts, the Teds or teddy boys or
rockers were an older youth cult that by the time the
mods came around were essentillly American style
greasers. I wouldn't go so far as to call Psychobilly
fans teddy boys, for a lot of reasons, not the least of
which is that losts of Psychobilly folks are ex skins.
Watch Quadrophenia.
1.6: What is a Chelsea?
A Chelsea was the girlfriend of a Skinhead. Whether this
stems from the name of the hair style they adopted, or
whether the hair style was named after the girls remains a
mystery to me.
jje...@orion.it.luc.edu (Jennifer J. Jewkes) says:
I have a feather cut now...and it needs a trim..I live
in Chicago..so a chelsea is out of the question for
now... I'm getting tempted to shave it again...only
when it get warmer..prolly in a few months..the way
Chicago's weather goes. I agree... Chelsea's are
stunning...but feather cuts have a bit more
class..especially when you are older and have to worry
about finding a job.
gal...@is.nyu.edu (Gerrard A. Lindsay) weighs in stating
that:
someone remarked that not many original skinhead girls
had short hair. maybe i'm wrong, but most pictures
i've seen did feature skingirls with short to cropped
hair. maybe not extreme fringe, but i haven't seen any
pictures of skingirls with long hair from before the
seventies...
even the skinhead bible mentions skingirls going to
male barbers for haircuts....
bb...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jenn Starkman) replies:
I didn't say that they didn't have *short* hair, but
that they rarely *shaved* their heads. I've seen
plenty o' pics of skinhead girls from the '60s with
bobs 'n stuff, or just really short hair, but a girl
with a shaved head 30 years ago would have been a true
rarity, from what I've seen.
> eve the skinhead bible mentions skingirls going to
> male barbers for haircuts....
Again, mine is obviously not the word of God, but
there's a difference between short hair and a shaved
head on a female, and a woman in the '60s with a shaved
head would've had a hell of a time in public
(outrageous hairstyles not being *nearly* as common in
those days--unless you count beehives as outrageous).
Besides which, a great many "skingirls" in the
beginning (unfortunate though this may be) were pretty
much just girlfriends of skinheads, and not quite as
apt to shave their heads."
<ja...@uno.edu> wrote:
noone answered my other hair question, what is a
chelsea? is it a fringe of a different name, or what?
Schroedinger Cat (sc...@panix.com) writes:
I think Jenn answered this one effectively, but I'll
recap... in relation to skinheads, it is both a
skinhead girl and a skinhead girl haircut (a fringe,
basically, though I usually hear fringes referred to as
just the bits on the front, chelseas go all the way
around).
"dave, Oink! Zine" <avi...@intac.com> gets the final
comment:
uhh not sure whats worse? environment with like no
skingirls or an environment full of skingirls just too
old for you? life sucks below the drinking age ;)"
1.6.1: jad...@vt.edu (J.A. Dare) writes: "Question for you
skinchicks: Do you just exclusively date skinheads?"
From: bb...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jenn Starkman)
Well, at the moment I'm exclusively dating *a*
skinhead... <grin>
But generally, I probably *couldn't* only go for skins
simply because I'd be very lonely--there are very few
skinheads where I live and even fewer single ones (my
boyfriend included, now...). If I could, though, I
probably would, if only because I find skinhead guys
particularly attractive--more so than others, usually.
If I met a guy I really hit it off with who wasn't a
skin, though, I'd probably give it a chance.
In the end, though? Yeah, skinheads are always first on
my list. :-)"
1.7: What is a SHARP?
Todd Ferguson (ferg...@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca) writes:
In the late 1980's a group of skinheads got together in
NYC to form the first chapter of Skinheads Against
Racial Prejudice. SHARP had three main objectives: to
educate the public about true skinhead culture, to
expose the bonehead imposters for what they really are
and to drive the boneheads out of their communities by
any means necessary. The New York chapter was quickly
successful and soon chapters sprang up elsewhere as
news spread. Today SHARP is the most predominant anti-
racist skin group around and you can find SHARP
chapters all over the world, as well as other anti-
racist skinhead groups like SCAR, SPAR and RASH.
In article <316C94...@coffee-haven.com>, Sir Lawrence of
Skarabia writes:
Here in Hawaii the are the HARPS
H.awaiianskinsA.gainstR.acialP.redjudice. There are
japanese and chinese skins here as well.
1.8: What is a Bonehead?
Bonehead is a derogatory term used by Traditional and other
Skins to denote any Skinhead who holds to racist or White
Power beliefs, as well as those Neo-Nazis who have adopted
the skinhead look in an attempt to hijack the movement.
1.9: What is an Independent Skin?
Kali Holloway writes: "Independent" is usually used
interchangeably with "traditional".
Stephen "Donny" Donaldson (spr...@ix.netcom.com) writes: "I
thought 'independent' meant 'not in a crew'. I certainly
hear it in that sense in NYC."
1.10: What is White Power?
White Power is an empowering philosophy of White racial
nationalism and ethnicity. It refers to a diverse range of
philosophies from leftist White racism to National
Socialism. Perhaps the simplest imperative about what White
Power stands for exists in the "14 words" coined by former
Bruder Schweigen member, David Lane:
"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for
White children." [WPF]
In the eyes of non-racists, White Power is the modern
embodiment of the evils of the Fascist Nazi Party and its
belief in the superiority of the "White" or "Aryan" race
over the Jews, Blacks and others whom White Power advocates
choose to blame for the woes of modern society.
1.11: What is a Hammerskin?
In Pink Floyd's _The Wall_ movie, there is a video segment
sung to the tune "Up against the Wall," where Pink takes on
the visage of a powerful leader. During this sequence,
hundreds of skinheads march through the street and chase the
"Pakis" (Pakistanis) out of England. Although the movie is
largely opposed to that viewpoint, young skinheads were
emboldened by the image of strength and came to call
themselves Hammerskins. As these groups spread throughout
the U.S. and Canada, they took on regional prefixes like:
Western Hammerskins, Northern Hammerskins, Confederate
Hammerskins and other such names. [WPF]
1.12: Why don't you get a life?
Skinheads, regardless of their political, sexual, or
religious persuasion, or lack thereof, do have lives which,
while they may differ from your own principles and ideals,
are no less valid then those of any other member of society
at large.
While you may not agree with their lifestyle, keep in mind
that there's bound to be someone who doesn't approve of
yours either.
1.13: Why do you hate?
Why do you hate Jews?
Why do you hate Blacks?
Why do you hate everybody?
While the popular media enjoys its love/hate relationship
with Skinheads, almost consistently portraying them as sub-
literate, unemployed racists with a fondness for hiring
themselves out as bodyguards/storm troopers for the Neo-
Nazis, this is a gross distortion of the truth.
Anyone who truly understands the origins of the Skinhead
subculture (see: What is a Skinhead) sees right through that
stereotype but, unfortunately, there are those who cannot
distinguish between a Skinhead and a Bonehead (see: What is
a Bonehead?).
In all fairness to the Boneheads, in his White Power FAQ,
Arthur LeBouthillier (pend...@cyberg8t.com) answers this
question saying:
"White Power advocates love their race. Because of that,
they are strongly opposed to any attempts to harm it by
means of loss of territory, loss of economic or political
self-determination, disenfranchisement or race mixing. In
order to preserve their race and its interests, they are
often willing to engage in hostile acts against perceived
threats to it."
Well, that's enough of that for now.
1.14: Aren't all Skinheads Nazis/White Supremacists?
No. The term Nazi comes from the name given to Adolph
Hitler's National-Socialist German Workers Party, a *form*
of Fascism, and thus has had no validity since 1945. The
proper term for resurgent Nazis is Neo-Nazis. Supremacy
refers to an alleged right to rule over other races. As
with Neo-Nazism, although some Boneheads are White
Supremacists many are not.
aj...@freenet.carleton.ca (Stephen Martin) writes:
While skinheads, racists, and Neo-Nazis are not
mutually exclusive, they are not necessarily inclusive
and it is just as wrong to tar skinheads with the taint
of neo-Naziism or racism as it is to paint any ethnic
group as a pack of criminals or what have you.
Please, do try to keep in mind that the original
skinheads grew out of the melding of British working
class youth, both white and black, with the music and
fashions of the immigrant Jamaican community.
While such racialist organizations as the BNP (British
Nazi Party), and others have had some success
recruiting members who affect the style of dress
associated with the skinhead subculture, you will find
that these aberrations are minor compared with the
number of Traditional skinheads, S.H.A.R.P.s,
Gay/Lesbian skinheads, those skinheads of African,
Spanish, French, etc. descent, in addition to those
skinheads (none of the aforementioned categories being
mutually exclusive) running the gamut of political
persuasions from Anarchists to Apolitical to Communist
to Conservative to Libertarian, etc. and/or religious
faiths including Buddhists, Christians, Jews, etc.
Thank you.
1.15: Why be a Nazi?
BRicha6796 (brich...@aol.com) wrote:
I've always wondered why people become nazi skins as
opposed to real skins. It seems to be fascists are way
more greedy than "the evil jew" I mean Resistance cd's
are REALLY expensive. And if you ever read a copy of
Resistance most of the shit they preach i obviously
untrue. I mean wouldn't it just be better to be non-
political? Not necessarily SHARP but just be a skin as
opposed to being part of all the bullshit. Look at
most nazi bands today. They sound like cock-rock. Is
this really skinhead music? I don't think so. I heard
the america first committee does not want to work with
nazi's in "The Aryan Quest" cuz their are too many
gays. I just wanna know what makes hanging out with
bikers, gays, longhairs, and white trash look
attractive as opposed to hanging out with decent clean
working class people.
ikal...@sierra.valleynet.com (Ivon Kalalang) replies:
I really don't understand either. Maybe, it's the
disposition people take in life that resulted from a
bad experience, or the in bred desire to harm someone
and you're just looking for an excuse. This is how I
picture it. The early skins were cockney fuckers.
Racism was never their main theology, and racist
tendecies were what they were, tendencies. Someone
could be, someone couldn't be. So in comes along NF and
BNP takes the disenfranchised youth and churns out
white power kids.
So years later, the media exploits this. People have
gotten so used to seeing skinheads as being racist on
TV, that it actually has an odd influence on some
people who just want to be a skinhead becuase they are
racist, and to them being racist from what they see on
TV is what being a skinhead is all about. Music is
another topic in itself. WP stuff is expensive, but
considering a lot of it was put on R-O-R, and R-O-R
stuff is pretty damn rare. That's why I'd buy a WP
album. I mean, look at some of the bands from the US
before 1990, Allegiance, Arresting Officers, Forced
Reality, and etc. They were actually okay to listen to.
I mean Arresting Officers has some catchy songs like
'Stop Red Action' and 'United Skins'. Anyways, the
point is, it's really so easy falling into the media's
view of nazi skinheads. Just look at that one stupid
HBO special 'Skinheads USA'.
1.16: Aren't all Skinheads violent little motherfuckers just
itching to fight?
ric...@netcom.com (Richard Collins) wrote:
Well assuming that the lot of us are college students
or something to that nature, it is safe to say a good
number of the regulars out there are of the more
intellectual variety, despite their personal beliefs.
This brings we to a question about fighting. I'm not
saying you can not be smart and also tough at the same
time, but people of intelligence have been known to use
their minds to avoid fighting. Then again, we all at
times get the overwhelming urge to beat the pulp out of
some stupid piece of human fieces. So are any of you
girls or boys aggro skins ?
Do you have some friends that can not go out without
...
A) Starting a fight
B) Suggesting you (as a group) start a fight
C) Looking for any excuse to jump into a fight
Last night at Desmond Dekker this little skin girl told
a bunch of us boys that some guy hit her. So a boot
party nearly insued. I was just watching being the
hippie scum that I am. No, but seriuosly I don't get
off on being the sixth guy to boot some one's head in.
Fighting to me is not a nessicary part of being a
skinhead. I recognize fighting as a part of life we
all must face but it doesn't need to be a part of every
night on the town.
gra...@dircon.co.uk (Graham Wilson) replies:
I was when I was younger. I soon realised however that
I was going to end up in a lot of shit. What's the
point ?
If you have to stand your ground then I believe stand
it. I don't believe in going out looking for fights
though. I realised that if I was going to (to use an
old naff but appropriate phrase) live by the sword,
then I was going to die by the sword. Eventually you
end up getting into a fight with someone who is much
stronger and you get the shit kicked out of ya.
These 3. [A, B, and C] I can think of a couple of skins
I know that are like it.
The problem is that there are those who like to start a
fight on purpose but then leave everyone else to finish
it.
I suppose I used to see it as the easy way to solve
everything.
CRM9...@UConnVM.UConn.Edu (Chris) replied:
Depends on whether the guy deserves it or not. In the
case that you just described, yes, I would. But if some
guy just starts talking shit and calling me names,
that's no reason. I've been called worse. Sometimes
you just get in the mood where you're just waiting for
a fight. About a week ago, I was going to hit this
crusty that was shooting his mouth off too much, but my
friends held me back. They later changed their mind
when we found out the next day that the same scumbag
had hit this female friend of ours. All in all, it
depends on the situation.
Janis Collins writes:
I'd sure like to find the real reason behind this
group. If you're so non racist and nonviolent, what's
up with all the fighting?
Generalizations have their beginnings in truth even if
they tend to get distorted later. 9 time outta 10 if
you see red docs with white laces on a skinhead with
the famous red suspenders you're looking at trouble. If
they're enmasse, you're really looking at a massacre
flu...@nyc.pipeline.com (James F. Dugan) replies:
What the hell are you talking about?
9 times outa 10 I see oxbloods with white laces, i'm
saying "Hi, how are you" to their owner. As for red
suspenders, theyre really not that popular.
Futhermore, 9 times outa 10 when a skin beats someones
ass, they deserved it, and 5 times out 10 the other
idiot started it and wants to whine about it later.
Even accepting all of the things you say as gospel,
there is separate and perfectly good reason for your
experiences: you and your friends are assholes.
Janis Collins (dall...@voicenet.com) writes:
Because they're already proving themselves defective so
why not expect more negative behaviour?? Are you
trying to say that you're just as likely to get a
violent response out of a Joe Citizen/well-to-do
officeworker as you are a skinhead?
And of course Janis is right. Witness this exchange:
Chris UCB (chri...@aol.com) wrote:
I am looking for fellow skins in the S.F. area
particularly the east bay. I am tired of always being
bored at home please e-mail me or post to this
newsgroup.
Richard Collins (ric...@netcom.com) writes:
Who are you man ? Where do you live ?
Note the way Richie immediately starts pumping poor Chris
for his address, obviously so he can go over and beat him
up. Let's read on...
The scene out here is huge. I live in the east bay in
the suburbs but still the city is only minutes away.
Are we talkng east back like Livermore ? Concord ?
Obviously a well veiled threat there, and see how he's still
searching for his address?
Even the farthest reachs are accessable to SF.
Yep, Skinhead Fascists. They're the worst and it's obvious
that Richie is a member of their crew... (I guess that's
enough sarcasm)
Joellen Welch (jow...@lynx.dac.neu.edu) gets the last word
with:
'Janis Collins <dall...@voicenet.com>' wrote:
I'd sure like to find the real reason behind this
group.
Janis-
The real reason for this group is so SKINHEADS can "get
together," in a virtual sense, and talk about stuff,
and meet, complain, rant, etc.
Michelle-
Don't take that personally. What I mean is anyone
should be able to post, as long as they know what
they're talking about, which you have proven since
before I've even been here.
If you're so non racist and nonviolent,
what's up with all the fighting?
Janis-
I'm violent, I have a violent attitude, but try to
remember that while some of us may not have hair, most
of us have proven our high intellectual capacity, and
many of us are proven geniuses. From that, you can
infer that we do also have brains. We think before
doing something stupid, like running out and beating
someone up over bullshit.
1.17: Why do new Skins need to get beat in?
mybrk...@aol.com (MyBrKeeper) wrote:
I've got a question about new skins in general. Why do
they get "beat in"?? Is that just a local thing or do
you have to be beat up by older skins to be a skin.
Graham Wilson (gra...@dircon.co.uk) writes:
See whether you can stand the pace of things.
You certainly don't have to be beat up by older skins
to be a skin.
However, when you get to know a group of skins for the
first time, if you stand your ground then you end up
with far more credibility than you would otherwise
have.
2.0: Skinhead Culture: Culture
"we're all skinheads we stand proud,
we're working class and shout it out loud,
we love our oi! that's what we live for,
can't get enough we always want more..."
the pride 'the pride'
2.1: Oi, Oi, Oi, Oi!!!
On 6 Mar 1996, Gerrard A. Lindsay wrote:
ever notice how many 'skinhead' songs and songs about
skins that there are in the world?
for instance 'skinhead moonstomp', 'skinhead girl',
'skinhead jamboree', 'skinhead speaks his mind',
'skinheads don't fear', 'moonhop in london', 'skinhead
moondust','where have all the bootboys
gone','bootboy',oi! oi! oi!,'skinheads in stapress',
'resort bootboys', 'bring back the skins', 'chaos',
'clockwork skinhead','boots n braces','back with a
bang','crucified' (by iron cross),'skinheads rule,ok',
'fresh and burning','joe hawkins'.......
From: am2...@swt.edu (Andy MacLaurin),
flu...@nyc.pipeline.com (James F. Dugan),
skh...@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu (Kali Holloway) (revised in
v0.15 with corrections from James F. Dugan)
As for lyrics, here are the complete lyrics for
Suburban Rebels as taken from the liner notes of The
Business 1979-1989 on Blackout Records.
They're the sons and daughters of well off bankers
Tom Robinson' army of trendy wankers
Flared blue jeans and anoracks,
With yellow streaks all down their backs
Who act so tough when [they're] on TV,
But trendy wankers don't scare me
Oi Oi Oi Chosen Few, (x2)
This is what we think of you
Suburban Rebels playing at reds
You would-be urban terrorists
You don't scare us with your badges and banners
You know fuck all about heavy manners.
You're the middle class kiddies from public school
Who write your slogans on toilet walls
Like Tony Benn's clones in plastic macks
You wave a hammer and sickle, never Union Jacks
Got lots of mouth when you're in a crowd
But when you're alone, you don't speak loud!
Of course, I have several versions, where the lyrics
are changed but this is the closest to an "official"
version I've found. I also have the lyrics to Harry
May, Coventry, Shout it Out, No Emotions, Never Been
Taken, Out in the Cold, Blind Justice, Do a Runner,
Another Rebel Dead, Welcome to the Real World,
Frontline, Mortgage Mentality, Handball, Smash the
Discos, H-Bomb, Loud Proud and Punk, Real Enemy,
Product, and Saturday's Heroes, if anyone is
particularly interested. I may post them anyway, if I
can scan them.
Jim Dugan
From: jow...@lynx.dac.neu.edu (Joellen Welch), Eric Coomer
(coo...@nuc.berkeley.edu), bae...@plains.nodak.edu (The
Werewolf of London)
I was walkin' down the road with a dozen friends of mine
lookin' for some aggro, just to pass the time
we met a stupid hippy, he tried to run away
but I punched him in the nose, just to pass the time of day!
Great big boots
Great white laces
Jeans held up by
scarlet braces
get out of our way or get took for a ride
we've just go violence in our minds....
In article <15FEB96. 137772...@IBM.UTM.EDU>, Sylvia Rowe
writes:
THE BROWN FIELDS OF BIRMINGHAM
(sung to Skrewdriver's version of "Green Fields of France")
1) Well how do you do, Mr. Bill Riccio
Tell me why did you do that damn HBO show
And look like a kook to the whole USA
We can read 'tween the lines that you're really gay
I see by his license he was only 19
When he joined the great call for the Riccio Army
And we hope you raped quick, and we hope you raped
clean
Mr. Bill Riccio you are gross and obscene
Do you beat the meat slowly
Do you fuck young boys only
Do you play the skin flute as you butter them down
And did the boys play with your hairy asshole
And did the lads play with your big old fat roll
2) Did you leave a spot on his fair white behind
In his sore asshole is your memory enshrined
Although you should have died when you were 16
In that faithful butt you're forever unclean
Or are you a stranger without a name
Enclosed in your jail cell behind a glass frame
In an old wife beater tattered and stained
And faded to yellow from your putrid pit stains
(CHORUS)
3) Well the sun now it shines on your dirty ripped
pants
As the vomit spots make your broken toys dance
And look how your sons can down a 12 and a 6
There's no gas, no barbed wire, but we wish you were
nixed
And here at your compound it's still no-girls land
The countless young skinheads passed out in the sand
To your blind indifference to your fellow man
To a whole group of buys who were raped by your own
hand
(CHORUS)
4) Mr. Bill Riccio, why'd you do that damn show
Do those that live here know why you did blow
And did they believe that they wished you're their dad
If they did then they're really demented and sad
The sorrow and suffering, the disgrace and the shame
You know how to give white power a really bad name
Mr. Bill Riccio, it'll never happen again
If it does we'll know who exactly to blame
(CHORUS)
Sylvia
Iron Mountain CHS, Tennessee
BRicha6796 (brich...@aol.com) writes:
Vulture Rock
POBOX 40687
ALBUQUERQUE, New Mexico
87196
And I think you have to send a dollar or something but
it's the best Oi! mailorder catalog that I know of with
very decent prices.
2.2: Skinheads Media List (v1.3 28APR96) by
d...@progeny.demon.co.uk
Books and Films of interest to Skinheads; not necessarily an
exhaustive list or required reading/ watching. Neither is
this meant to be an indication of the quality of the
content!
BOOK Information given, where possible:
TITLE
AUTHOR YEAR OF PUBLICATION PUBLISHER
ISBN <availability>
SYNOPSIS/COMMENTS
FILM Information given, where possible:
TITLE
LEAD CAST,
DIRECTOR, YEAR OF RELEASE, COUNTRY OF PRODUCTION
CATEGORY & RELEASE AVAILABILITY INFO
Additions, corrections, updates, comments and any detail to
fill the gaps welcome, please email me.
********************
* Section 1: BOOKS *
********************
Quoting the author and title (and ISBN where given) at your
local bookshop should be able to get you nearly all of the
titles available.
ST (Skinhead Times) Publishing in the UK publish a large
range of these books and orders can be placed with them
direct. They do not have a telephone ordering service, nor
do they accept credit/debit cards.
If you want to know what titles they have available and the
prices - drop them a line and ask for a catalogue (I'm sure
they'd also appreciate a stamped addressed envelope or a
little dosh).
Their address (until September 1996) is:
ST Publishing
PO Box 12
Dunoon
Argyll
PA23 7BQ
SCOTLAND
United Kingdom.
--------------------------------------------
Soccer (Football) Violence (Factual)
--------------------------------------------
Everywhere We Go - Behind the Matchday Madness
Dougie & Eddy Brimson, 1996, Headline Book Publishing
0747252254
Steaming In (Journal of a Football Fan)
Colin Ward, 1989, Pocket Books
0671853651
In Your Blood (Football Culture in the late 1980's & Early
1990's)
Richard Turner, 1990, Working Press
1870736079
**Out of print**
Among The Thugs
Bill Buford, 1991, Mandarin
0749313285
Bloody Casuals (Diary of a Football Hooligan)
Jay Allan, 1989, Northern Books
0905489411-1
------------------
Novels/ Fiction
------------------
One For The Road
Kid Stoker
Nightshift
Pete McKenna, 1996, STP
England Belongs to me
Steve Goodman, Low Life (STP)
1898928002
Red London
Stewart Home, 1994, AK Press
1873176120
Saturdays Heroes
Joe Mitchell, Low Life (STP)
1898928053
The Complete Richard Allen Volume 1 (Skinhead, Suedehead,
Skinhead Escapes)
Richard Allen (aka James Moffat)
The Complete Richard Allen Volume 2 (Skinhead Girls, Sorts,
Knuckle Girls)
Richard Allen (aka james Moffat)
The Complete Richard Allen Volume 3 (Trouble for Skinhead,
Skinhead Farewell, Top Gear Skin)
Richard Allen (aka James Moffat)
The Complete Richard Allen Volume 4 (Boot Boys, Smoothies,
Terrace Terrors)
Richard Allen (aka James Moffat)
The Complete Richard Allen Volume 5 (Mod Rule, Punk Rock,
Dragon Skins)
Richard Allen (aka James Moffat)
The Complete Richard Allen Volume 6
Richard Allen (aka James Moffatt)
** The 18 individual Richard Allen novels were originally
** published in the 1970's by New English Library - all are
** now out of print.
Casual
Gavin Anderson, 1996
** released 30/4/96 **
------------------
Graphic Novels
------------------
Skin
Milligan, McCarthy & Swan, 1992, Tundra
1858090008
--------------
Photobooks
--------------
Skins
Gavin Watson, 1994, STP
1898927057
* A followup is in the works for 96/97
Public Enemies
Leo Regan, 1993, Andre Deutsch
0233988300
Oi! The Photobook
A.H van der Sluys, 1993, Double Shot (Roermond, Holland)
NO ISBN
-------------------------------------
Reference - Skin, Ska & Mods
-------------------------------------
You're Wondering Now (A History of The Specials)
Paul Williams, 1995, STP
1898927251
Skinhead
Nick Knight, 1982, Omnibus Press
0711900523
Total Madness
George Marshall, 1993, STP
0951849743
Spirit of '69 (A Skinhead Bible)
George Marshall, 1991, STP
0951849700
Boss Sounds (Classic Skinhead Reggae)
Marc Griffiths
Skinhead Nation
George Marshall, 1996, STP
Watching the Rich Kids
Arthur Kay
** Out of Print **
Skinhead Street Gangs
Loren Christensen
Bad Manners
George Marshall
**Out of print**
Mods
Richard Barnes
**Out of print**
Scooter Boys
Gareth Brown
The Two Tone Story
George Marshall
Skinheads Shaved For Battle: a cultural history of American
Skinheads
Jack Moore, 1993, Bowling Green (Ohio)
0879725826 (HB), 0879725834 (PB)
This book has been termed "somewhat 'objective' in their
appraisal of White Power advocates" in the White Power FAQ,
and has been consistently derided by the members of
alt.skinheads, writes Stephen Martin
(aj...@freenet.carleton.ca).
The Story of The Business
Garry Fielding, 1996
** released 10/5/96 **
The Two Tone Book for Rude Boys
Omnibus Press
** Out of print**
---------------------
Reference - Punk
---------------------
Punk Diary (1970-1979)
George Gimarc, 1994, Vintage
009952211X
Sex Pistols File
Ray Stevenson, 1978, Omnibus Press
0860014649
Cranked Up Really High
Stewart Home, 1995, Codex
1899598014
********************
* Section 2: FILMS *
********************
--------------------------------
Soccer (Football) Violence
--------------------------------
The Firm
Gary Oldman, Lesley Manville, Phil Davis
Alan Clarke, 1989, UK
* TV FICTION
Trouble on the Terraces
Narrated by Sean Bean
Allan Sharpe, 1994, UK
* DOCUMENTARY
I.D.
Reece Dinsdale, Warren Clarke, Sean Pertwee, cameo by Phil
Davis
,, UK
* MOTION PICTURE
-----------------
Mods & Skins
-----------------
Romper Stomper
Russell Crowe, Daniel Pollock, Jacqueline McKenzie, Alex
Scott
Geoffrey Wright, 1992, AUSTRALIA
* MOTION PICTURE/ FICTION
* A cinematic masterpiece, one of only two films which I
have paid to see twice. - Stephen Martin
(aj...@freenet.carleton.ca)
Quadrophenia
Phil Daniels, Leslie Ash, Toyah Wilcox, Sting, Phil Davis,
Mark Wingett
Franc Roddam, 1979, UK
* MOTION PICTURE/ FICTION
Made in Britain
Tim Roth, Terry Richards, Bill Stewart, Eric Richard,
Geoffrey Hutchings
Alan Clarke, 1982, UK
* TV FICTION
Meantime
Tim Roth
Alan Clarke, , UK
* TV FICTION
A Clockwork Orange
Malcolm McDowell, Patrick Magee, Adrienne Corri, Miriam
Carlin
Stanley Kubrick, 1971, UK
* MOTION PICTURE/ FICTION
* This film is not available in UK in cinema or video due to
restrictions placed upon it by the Director.
Skinheads, The Second Coming of Hate
Chuck Connors, Barbara Bain, Jason Culp, Elizabeth Sagal,
Brian Brophy
Greydon Clark, 1989, USA
* MOTION PICTURE/ FICTION
* "Skinheads: the Second Coming of Hate", is a nonsensical
film whose only reasons for existence seemed to be to add
to Chuck Connors' bank account, and to bolster the bruised
egos of jocks everywhere. - Stephen Martin
(aj...@freenet.carleton.ca)
Skins - The Movie
Wings Hauser
Wings Hauser
Has anyone seen this piece of trash?? If you havent...dont
bother. What a load of bollocks. Its written by, directed
by, and stars one pratt named Wings Hauser. Where the fuck
did they dig up this guy???
Anyway.....obviously this guy was beaten up by some skins
and this movie is his fantasy of what he wishes he could do
if he actually had a set of testicles. All I can say is save
any money hiring it. About the only good bit in it is the
head skin's shirt, and the room with the giant swastika
painted on the floor (if you're a neo-nazi). Save your money
and forget it. - Deth (de...@magna.com.au)
World of Skinheads....BBC
BBC
* Details from SknLagerOi (sknla...@aol.com)
American Skin
Elizabeth Marie Richardson (e...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu) writes:
American Skin is a piece of shit. It's good to watch if you
want a laugh. No, I take that back, it's never good to
watch. Most of the DC skins went to see it on opening night
and we all got up and left after 15 min or less. First of
all it's a bonehead movie. Now I know Romper Stomper is
also, but it was made well. Second of all, the sound and the
cinematography is horrible as well as the plot. I know
someone who saw the whole thing and said the plot was
something about this German (with a HORRIBLE fake accent, by
the way) drug lord who was trying to infect the cities of
America with this drug so he could wipe out the black people
and there were these black drug dealers who would just kill
little kids right and left and the skins were also on this
bizarre misssion. The cop (played by the director, who was
oh so tough while he was trying to sell his T shirts to us)
who was chasing them for their hate crimes and the drug
people kept flashing back to Cambodia (or something) and it
turned out in the end that the Nazi guy was some guy that
killed all these kids in Cambodia (Cambodia scenes brought
to us by the foliage of the director's back yard) a long
time ago. Every body bad dies. At least thats what I think
he said. I don't know the guy who saw it said it was pretty
confusing and stupid. I think I got up and left when the
German referred to the boneheads as "our diminutive bald
soldiers."
One of the reasons we were so pissed (besides the general
bad quality of the film) is because it was marketed as DC
skins in general and the 9:30 club supported it and
bartenders acted in it.
------
Punk
------
Rude Boy
Ray Gange, The Clash, Sara Hall, Johnny Green, Terry
McQuade, Liz Young
Jack Hazan & David Mingay, 1980, UK
* MUSIC FICTION
The Great Rock 'n' Roll Swindle
Mary Millington, Liz Frazer, Malcolm McLaren, The Sex
Pistols
Julian Temple, 1980, UK
* MUSIC FICTION
Sid and Nancy
Gary Oldman, Chloe Webb, David Hayman, Drew Schofield
Alex Cox, 1986, UK
* MOTION PICTURE/ BASED ON FACT
d...@progeny.demon.co.uk
------------------------------------------------------------
Magazine and Newspaper Articles About Skinheads
The Werewolf of London (bae...@plains.nodak.edu) writes:
Check out the Jan. 8th issue of the New Yorker
magazine, there's a long article (about 20 pages) by a
former member of the German neo-Nazi movement. He has
since had a change of heart and wised up to the total
bullshit that neo-nazis spew, and now he gives talks at
schools and stuff...I thought it was pretty
interesting. His name was Ingo Hassebruck (?? Something
like that)
inked...@aol.com (Inkedsknhd) writes:
Check out the article in the new (April 1996) Esquire
about "skinheads" in the military! Once again, all
skins are neo-nazis! So are guys with shaved heads!
Lets hear some positive stuff from military skins for
a change.
Don't forget to check out into alt.music.ska and read the
FAQ for more information on Ska and it's relationship with
Skinhead culture.
2.3: What about 'zines?
Richard Collins (ric...@netcom.com) writes:
A few friends and I are putting together a skinzine.
We need any contributions we can get. If you are
interested please contact me by email. Anything you
submit will bear your name and give you full credit.
We may even be able to get your picture in it if you
send us one. And you will get a free copy mailed to
wherever you are. All submissions of a traditional
nature welcome!
vox...@nyc.pipeline.com (Michelle Chen) writes:
Alright. It's time to spam for my zine. My zine
doesn't have very much to do with skinheads, I'm
afraid, but spamming for my zine is more productive
than posting up Jews4Jesus propaganda (wink, wink).
I'm currently getting ready to spit out another fun-
filled issue of Inverted Magazine. The 3rd issue is a
split issue put together by me and a kid in Chicago
named Brian (for those of you on IRC, that's Briangeek-
-yes, meeting zine geeks over IRC is pathetic), who
runs big*geek zine. I'm sure you'll find it
entertaining, and if not, you will at least have plenty
of other reasons not to like me after reading it. Oh,
and for those of you who read the second issue, I did
NOT rip anything off of the Lashout website this time.
If you would like to subscribe, send a stamp to this
address:
Inverted Magazine
c/o Michelle
75 Grand St. #2E
New York, NY 10013
Yes, that is my home address. I invite you all to come
to my house and kick my ass if you think you did not
get what you payed for (though, I'm sure my zine is
worth around 32 cents).
Thank you for your time.
White Power (possibly defunct)
------------------------------------
Rampage: A Skinhead Voice
P.O. Box 19
Coalville
Leicester LE67 1DS
England
SledgeHammer: The Voice of the White Nations,
by the Northern Hammer Skins
P.O. Box 428
Gatineau Quebec, J8P 7A1 Canada
$25.00/yr. (12 issues) in Canada
$30.00/yr. U.S.
$35.00/yr. Overseas
All rates are in Canadian funds
2.4: Are there any Skinhead homepages or other Internet
resources?
Mikey the Beck (MB0...@american.edu) writes:
The Beer Swilling Skinhead Crew's homepage has moved to
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/2037/index.html
The Lashout home page can be found at
http://www.ksu.edu/~lashout/skns.html
storm...@gnn.com (stormwatch) wrote:
Just a note to those who might be interested that
Stormwatch is currently rehearsing for the recording of
a new album, to be titled "Right to Remain Violent".
This is their second full length release. For more
facts and info, check their home page at
http://members.gnn.com/stormwatch/stormwatch.htm.
Stephen "Donny" Donaldson (spr...@ix.netcom.com/P.O. Box
2713, Manhattanville Stn., NY, NY 10027-8817 USA) maintains
a homepage at http://www.igc.apc.org/spr/.
Tomas Willis, "The Ska FAQ guy" can be reached at:
to...@cae.wisc.edu or
tomas@F18?-???.net.wisc.edu;
ken d barr (jr...@acpub.duke.edu) advertises these homepages
in his sig:
http://www.duke.edu/~jrb11/kenjones.html
for the band No Cover (formerly Kenny Jones)
http://www.duke.edu/~jrb11/viskasity.html
a Ska page
Bootboy (boo...@airmail.net) writes: For vit musik
http://web2.airmail.net/bootboy/nordl.htm
SkabOi! (skad...@tiac.net) says: Check out my NEW homepage
on the web: http://www.tiac.net/users/skadadle/skadadle.html
Gerrard A. Lindsay (gal...@is.nyu.edu) lives at
http://pages.nyu.edu/~gal6562
dave says: my new email adress:avi...@intac.com
http://intac.com/~avidday/index.html
sc...@panix.com (Schroedinger Cat) says:
Oh, and check out my webpage... it's shite right now,
but I'm working on it.
http://cognac.resnet.upenn.edu/~scat
"AudioWhore, M.D." (man...@cs.tufts.edu) writes:
Heh... for anyone of you guys who care... I'll be
trying to remember to post my playlists on my web
page... at the url---
http://www.tufts.edu/~mlo/audiowhore.html....
If anyone cares... jump to my web page--
http://www.tufts.edu/~mlo
Mac (cmmor...@oxblood.compulink.co.uk) writes:
I've set up a skinhead www page:
http://members.aol.com/skinheaduk/
Graham Wilson (gra...@dircon.co.uk) writes:
At last I have finally managed to work out what the
hell I am doing with HTML and set up a web page of my
own.
There isn't much there at the moment - A lot of it is a
joke. I'm gradually adding links in.
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~grahamr
The last time I checked the FAQ was also available on Mac's
webpage, and hopefully Graham will agree to have his page be
the Official Alt.Skinheads FAQ homepage. (once I get around
to asking him)
MAILING LISTS
--------------------
Re: Are you interested in a ska/rude boy-rude girl/skinhead
mailing list, Tomas Willis (to...@cae.wisc.edu) writes:
Hey ska fans everywhere --- are you interested in a
ska/rude boy-rude girl/skinhead mailing list? I got a
note from Skarlos, in Puerto Rico, and he says:
I am thinking of starting a listserve list for
ska+rudeboys+skinheads. Something less political
than alt.skinheads but a bit more than
alt.music.ska. What do you think?
I think a mailing like this would allow for more
focused discussions on some specific topics than Usenet
has seen, so I support the effort. Rude lifestyles,
skinhead history and musical roots are likely topics.
If _you_ want to get involved with this mailing list,
contact Skarlos at car...@eart.com (Carlos A. Rivera),
[that's mailto:car...@eart.com for you WebBrowsers] or
just use your newsreader to reply to this message.
Send your mail to Skarlos, not me. Thanks.
spr...@ix.netcom.com(Stephen "Donny" Donaldson ) writes:
send message: info oi-list
to: ser...@nizkor.almanac.bc.ca
In reply to wrath of god (jagd...@ecnet.com)'s plaintive
cry:
Can anyone suggest a newsgroup that I as a skinhead
won't have to deal with all of the political crap that
gets posted here. I remember a non-racist skin group
had been started but I cannot find it. Help.
Joellen Welch (jow...@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
alt.skinheads.arent.neo.nazis
alt.skinheads.moderated
alt.music.ska
Unfortunately, I don't get the first two, but the ska
one is where all the skins who can't get alt.skinheads
go. Some people from here go there occasionally, too.
N.B. Joellen originally miswrote the title of the first
newsgroup as: alt.skinheads.arent.nazis
2.5: Skinheads in the Classroom
TBD
2.6: Skinhead Jokes
On 13 Feb 1996, Stephen Donny Donaldson wrote:
Q: There's a skinhead, a punk, and a rudeboy in the
back seat of a car. Who's in the front seat?
A: A cop.
From: tony testa <test...@duq3.cc.duq.edu>, Feb-14-96
14:58
how many skins does it take to change a lightbulb?
11-one to do it and ten to back him up
ric...@netcom.com (Richard Collins) wrote:
There was a three story apartment building in
California. On the first floor lived some skinheads.
On the second floor lived some punks. On the third
floor lived some hippies. On day a big earthquake hit
and the building was toppled to the ground. Who
survived ?
The skinheads, they were at work !
"Dominic Green" (demoni...@cix.compulink.co.uk) writes:
The New York Police Department expressed concern
yesterday at the number of Hairless Vagrant Youths
hanging around underpasses, dark alleyways and latrines
holding Personal Computers with the intent to Maim and
Rob. One such unhirsute youth was questioned by
reporters:
Our Man In Brooklyn: 'So, Dave - can I call you Dave?'
Dave: 'That's me name.'
OMIB: 'So, Dave, you - hit people with this Personal
Computer thing?'
Dave: 'I do. Ram the screen down straight over their
ead. IBM PC's works best, then the ole ead goes
right down the cathode tube. Macintoshes only
works on folk with small eads, like Children
and Creationists.'
OMIB: 'But...why don't you just...hit them. With your
hands?'
Dave: 'I'm a child of the Information Age.'
A fellow I know was over in England for a while and sent
this back:
Bonnets, Spanners, and Boots... by Mel Pheasant
The language here is quite different. It's almost the same,
but enough to make it unintelligible if you are listening to
someone speaking slangily in a pub, after having a few. I'm
putting together a glossary for myself:
chip 'o larter - a little sausage used for garnish
(not a guy from Ireland)
bonnet - car hood
boot - car trunk
gateau - cake
prawns - shrimp
yorkshire pudding - not pudding at all, but a full
coarse meal
minced meat - not a meal at all, but a desert
bangers and mash - disgusting sausage in something or
other
clotted cream - unknown, but apparently quite
popular
oxtail soup - unfortunately, what you'd think
sweets - deserts
crisps - chips
chips - fries
lunch - usually the meal around noon
dinner - usually the meal around noon
supper - usually the meal around noon (note
no clear word for evening meal)
tea - a fictitious break around 4pm that no
one seems to take
high tea - late night snack I think
low tea - no reference to this, perhaps Sat.
morning tea after a big party?
takeaway - takeout food
drizzle - rain
sleet - rain
rain - rain
blustery - rainy
showers - rain
mist - rain
gales - wind and rain, don't even bother
with an umbrella
fog - slower rain
wind - rain coming in at a slight angle, just
under the umbrella
wet - rain, but they aren't sure what kind, or
a mixture
damp - fog, with some drizzle and rain, perhaps
showers
stormy - blustery rain, with wind
cold front - rain
warm front - rain
occluded front - rain
sun - occasional light poking through the
clouds
light - thin clouds with drizzle or rain
dark - think clouds, with any kind of rain
patchy - different kinds of rain, with thin
cloud patches
clear - not describing the sky, but perhaps
"rain clear across England"
weather - rain
dry - the weather man's been on the wagon
widget - strange things put in beer cans to
get it to foam properly
beer - beer
pint - beer
ale - beer
bitter - beer
lager - beer
cider - horribly strong beer/cider
draught - beer
half - a weenie glass of beer
stout - beer you can't see through
real ale - beer made the old way
cheers - like aloha, means almost anything,
like hi, bye, please, thankyou,
excuse me, excuse me for farting,
a toast, thanks for the toast,
thanks for stepping on my foot,
thanks for spilling beer on me,
thanks for holding the door open,
etc.
sod - "sod it", an expletive suitable for use
in front of youngsters
mate - Canadian equivalent of "guy", American
"man"
dodgey - what you'd think, actually, just
applied to more things
fag - cigarette
faggots - large meatballs
>From Mel Pheasant to anyone travelling.
Mel's first UK Tranlation Guide
In this first attempt, I'm going to try a phrase-translation
guide to talking in the UK:
"A hurricane came by and flattened my house, and whisked
away all my children and worldly belongings" translates to
"we had a bit of a wind".
"The idea was so stupid we laughed it out of the meeting
room" translates to "It's not on".
"This soup is so aweful you couldn't even stick a goddamned
knife through it" translates to "It's a bit stodgy".
"Two hundred bored fishermen, unable to fish because of bad
weather, beat the crap out of each other and busted up a lot
of commercial property" tranlates to "there was a bit of a
rumble at the pub last night".
I'll post some more later as I learn the local dialect...
Cheers!
2.7: What is the best dark beer?
Michael Rosencrantz (ro...@interport.net) writes:
Good dark ales--
Brooklyn Brown (very very good)
Newcastle Brown Ale
Brooklyn Chocolate Stout
Old Peculiar
McEwan's Scotch Ale
Guiness
Anything I brew myself (except that batch last summer,
you know the one I'm talking about)
Good dark lagers--
I don't really like lager, but here's a few:
Shiner Bock
Celebrator (cool little plastic goat tied to the
bottle)
Richard Collins (ric...@netcom.com) writes:
The best dark beer (stout actually) is Guiness hands
down. If stout is a little too thick for you try a
porter or lager. And don't overlook Beck's Dark, I
know it sounds common but it is really decent stuff.
Personally I'll take a stout any day but if it is
darker than a cup of Denny's coffee I'll drink it !
From: LAHC Student <stu...@mail.SDSU.edu>
I don't think it is dark beer, but I like it
(Killians). I think they have red and dark brown. If
you haven't already tried it, I suggest you do.
Joellen Welch (jow...@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
Harpoon Stout. Ya can't get it just anywhere,
though...
Liz Lopez (parad...@earthlink.net) writes:
Simple,
Boddingtons, *the* best Northern Bitter. Brewed in
Strangeways. As always, the Mancs do it the best!
On Tue, 2 Apr 1996, Moonstomper wrote:
Hrm...It's not the best dark beer, but my favorite dark
beer is Yuengling Porter, brewed in (I believe)
Pottsville, Pennsylvania. It's apparently America's
oldest brewery, and during prohibition, they made ice
cream to stay afloat. The reason it's my favorite is
that it's good when you don't want something as heavy
as guinness, but it's still definitely a dark beer, and
also, it's relatively cheap, and it was readily
available in supermarkets that didn't carry much good
dark beer. (In other words, the only other real option
was Beck's, which cost more). Unfortunately, I can't
get it up here in Mass., cuz it's a small brewery, and
they already have trouble meeting all the demand.
*sigh*
Cheeky Princess (leah_r...@bc.edu) writes:
King K of the Allstonians wanted me to post this too:
You are right about Yuengling being America's oldest
brewery and I agree that they make some excellent
Gevvy's namely the lager and their black&tan is
outstanding. But alas, I've not had the porter yet.
Even though it is a brown ale, Newcastle is by far
better than Becks. I could probably score some of the
porter from my future father-in-law who turned me onto
Yuengling last year when I visited in Allentown, PA.
Let me know through this address. I'm getting some
anyway, when he comes up to Boston for our (Cheeky's &
my) wedding.
ro...@mail.utexas.edu (rokester) writes:
P.S. A good dark beer is Ziegen Bock Amber, Brewed right
here in TX
3.0: Skinhead Fashion
"When a Skinhead has his head shaved, wears a Flight Jacket
and big Doc Marten Boots, people notice him" - Loren
Christensen
Skinhead fashion is important but shouldn't really be
strictly defined. There's label snobbery with skins as much
as cult. Skinhead togs are a mix of military, workwear and
city gent! Utility and style. The practical cult!
Three distinctive sterotype looks have emerged however.
Smart Skin: Suits (single brested, 3-4 button),
shirts(button collar, no tie), sta press trousers,
boots, brogues, crombies.
Everyday Skin: Jeans, Combat Trousers, Boots, Fred
Perrys, T-shirts, Button collar or collarless shirts
(plain or tartans), MA1 jackets, Levi style jackets,
donkey jackets.
Bonehead Skin: High boots(14-22 Holes), black drainpipe
jeans, combat/camo trousers, Black MA1's, Union jack /
WP T-Shirts.
Of course most skins mix all of the above sterotypes and
wear lots more besides
A spin off cult is scooter boys who tend towards the
bonehead look, MA1's, camo/combats and boots. Which is more
suited to hours spent in the rain on a scooter on route to
Morcambe. [SHG]
James F. Dugan (flu...@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
You don't have to look any way to be a skinhead. Its
not about clothes, or even hair for that matter, but
aparently you're way too caught up in appearences and
the signifigance of your own opinion to even come close
to understanding this.
3.1: What colour are your Docs?
From: aj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Stephen Martin)
I've got a pair of black 8-holes that I wear regularly,
a pair of Black Watch Tartan 8-holes that I wear
frequently, and a pair of blue 14-holes with red tartan
laces that I use as my rain boots. :>
From: dj jurgen <jur...@io.org>
CHERRY DOCS, either my 14 0r 18 holes with Combat
Sole. Those are my preferences although I also like my
black 14 holes.
From: skh...@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu (Kali Holloway)
To tell the truth, I'm a little more partial to Getta
Grips than Docs these days, mainly because Getta Grips
(in this age of mass-produced Docs) are sturdier than
Docs, and last longer. Never go over ten eyelets.
Monkey boots look nice on girls too, but I think
loafers---not boots--- should be worn with skirts. My
favorite pair of shoes that I own, though, are Docs
with red Iron Crosses on the side. Doc stopped making
them a few years ago, and I used to work in this store
that sold Docs (Junkman's Daughter in Atlanta, for
those of you that have been there) and they were the
last pair to be found. They've actually lasted a good
three years thus far...
From: gra...@dircon.co.uk (Graham Wilson)
Nothing else but 14 holes - Black or proper oxbloods,
not cherry bloody red.
From: ric...@netcom.com (Richard Collins)
I prefer 20 eye pink docs with purple laces. For some
reason a lot of men in SF like my boots ! Go figure ?
From: modst...@aol.com (MODSTYLE68)
oxblood always! my current pair are 10 hole, i'd never
wear more eyes than that!
From: Michael Rosener
14 eye steel cap for fun, and i want a pair of the
black & white wing tips for those dressier occasions
From: bae...@plains.nodak.edu (The Werewolf of London)
Black 8i Docs....that's the only pair i have, i can't
afford another pair at the moment...
The Werewolf of London (bae...@plains.nodak.edu) writes:
Joellen Welch (jow...@lynx.dac.neu.edu) wrote:
Yeah, they make white Docs, but they're patent leather
(the onesi've seen at least) and have black stitching
with black laces.
White Docs, eh? Just the thing if you work in a
hospital....or drive a Mr. Softee Ice Cream truck...
From: dave, Oink! 'Zine <avi...@haven.ios.com>
OXBLOOD!!
Joellen Welch (jow...@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
Greasy leather, if I'm not mistaken, is just smooth and
shiny, right? Well, in any case, i like my boots 10-
hole, black, and so shiny you can see yourself in them,
until i walk out the door and my showroom shine gets
scuffed... I'm also ordering the three-hole oxbloods
(cherry red?) from Sheely's soon... rumor has it that
they're going to stop making three-hole steel-toes
soon, so get 'em while you can -- you never know what's
true or not these days! They're only 34.99 in pounds,
good deal!
Out of eleven responses the top two most popular styles were
the 14 or 8 holes in Black or Oxblood.
3.1.1 Anybody know where I can find DM oxbloods in either 3
or 4i? I can find cherry reds everywhere, it's oxbloods I'm
looking for. Hell, I'll even consider a used pair if they
are 10 1/2 US and don't stink too bad.
(bae...@plains.nodak.edu (The Werewolf of London)
Graham Wilson (gra...@dircon.co.uk) writes:
I don't think you will find any. I think they haven't
been made as oxbloods for about 7 - 8 years now.
You can turn cherry reds into oxbloods by putting a
fine coat of black polish on them and then a coat of
oxblood polish. They don't go black, just darker red.
Bullskn (bul...@aol.com) writes:
Umm granted i picked mine up like a year and a half
ago...im still pretty sure they sell em at the Dr
Marten store in chicago..if anyone really wants the
address email me..ill have to dig it up
3.2: Boots and Braces don't make a Racist.
Boot Laces
------------
kamui (k...@escape.com) wrote:
what's the deal with the color of boot laces? i hear
that if you had white laces, it used to mean white
power? can someone clear this up for me on what
different colors are supposed to stand for? thanks.
Common concensus seems to be that the colour coding of boot
laces amongst skinheads is a thing of the distant past. The
most sensible post on this subject read:
From: dj jurgen <jur...@io.org>
This whole perceived meaning of colours of laces is
childish and ridiculous! Being a skin is not about
the colour of laces in one's boots.
The funniest posts, however, came from Graham Wilson
(gra...@dircon.co.uk), and jagd...@ecnet.com (wrath of
god), who wrote:
gra...@dircon.co.uk (Graham Wilson) wrote:
Acete...@msn.com (Acetes Man) wrote:
White lace -> White power (or supremacy if
you like)
Red lace -> Fascist / Fascism
and yellow laces in red rangers means you're Ronald
McDonald....next....
Hey whats wrong with yellow laces in red rangers? Every cool
skin is wearing them these days. They look really cool with
my rainbow 3" wide braces( I unfortunately have this urge to
wear a red rubber nose every time I wear this outfit).
Bryan
If I had one of those silver flights, I could be a raver
also.
Graham did shed this bit of light upon the whole subject:
The original lace thing started when English skins
started choosing the colour of their laces depending on
which football team they supported.
When I was younger and used to support Watford (I know,
we all make mistakes) I used to wear yellow. As a
Coventry supporter (known as the 'Sky Blues') if I
wear my black docs I have blue laces in them.
Very few English skins do this anymore. I know a few
old'uns who do.
As for what they mean today in terms of media
perception to your politics it is a load of wank.
The meaning of colours vary from area to area. I've
know places in England where white means white pride,
but NOT white power (parts of North London). In other
places white can mean white power and white can mean
gay.
Perhaps the colour thing was true when the laces were
first linked to which football team you supported. Some
of the football crews did have a particular strong
political bias and people there assumed that because
you wore "X" colour you ran with "X" crew who, in
political terms, were mainly "Y". I guess this is where
the politics/lace thing must have started off.
gra...@dircon.co.uk (Graham Wilson) writes:
gre...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Gregory Gardner) wrote:
Well, back in my day (1980-84), the _ONLY_ color
were red laces, and the _ONLY_ boots were 10-hole
DM steel-cap "Blackguards", which I don't think
Doctor Martens even makes any more.
The named boots like "Blackguards" were made by Joe
Hawkins under licence. They also used to make a pair
called Blackwatch. Can't recall the name of the 8 or 14
holes.
If you go back in history then you'll find that the
only original colours were football team colours.
And you absolutely NEVER laced them in cross-overs
(that still annoys me when I see some kid with DM
boots laced crossed over. Kind of sad.)
I know of one crew that did. It was done to piss
everyone else off...and it worked.
Of course, after a while I started using
flourescent orange laces. They seemed original at
the time.
...or a Wolvey supporter....
Wolverhampton girls - The essex girls of the midlands
(;-)
Y'know, I'm getting tired of this semiotic hair-
splitting. Wear what you like.
... so long as it is the colour of the football team
you support...
An old man.
I'm getting there
Graham
Common concensus, again, seemed to indicate the following
colour codes:
black - You have just bought these
boots and the laces aren't
worn enough to necessitate
buying a new pair.
white - white power, white pride,
Boneheads, nice contrast with
black leather/you avoid mud
puddles with admirable dexterity.
red - white power, Nazi, National Front,
Boneheads, Communists
yellow/black/blue - S.H.A.R.P. (circa 1990,
Sacramento and most of
Northern California)
yellow laces/red rangers - you're Ronald McDonald
yellow laces/blue rangers- you're Batman!
pink laces - gay skin or fag-bashing skin
blue laces/black docs - Chelsea/Coventry supporter
blue laces - cop killer, sXe
yellow laces - Columbus Crew/Watford
supporter, cop/asian basher
green laces - keep on skanking? Environmentalist?
Celtic Pride?
flourescent orange - Wolverhampton supporter
There are some who say that the following codes also exist:
Yellow: Anarchy, looking for ultraviolence
Green: Sharp, Gay basher
Orange: Biohazard fan
But there has been no colloboration of this.
Braces
--------
kamui <k...@escape.com> wrote:
braces?
From: bb...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Jenn Starkman)
Braces is just a synonym for suspenders. Any kind of
suspenders. They could be 3 inches wide and they'd
still be braces. Skinheads just happen to be partial
to the ultra-skinny kind, but they're *all* braces,
'cause they're all still suspenders.
3.3: The Late Great Burgundy Flight
From: ja...@uno.edu
flu...@nyc.pipeline.com (James F. Dugan) writes:
Sylvia Rowe writes:
I don't know of ONE self-respecting guy who would
wear a burgundy flight. I think of them as girls
flights, as do a lot of people I know. Maybe it's
not PC to make gender distinctions, but I like to
think that we girls can have something a little
feminine that's all ours. We used to have monkey
boots, but you men took to wearing them too. BTW,
nobody ever said your choices were limited to
burgundy or green flights. Why not black or blue?
Well I'm not a big fan of burgundy flights in general,
but I never thought of them as a "girl" thing. Now
monkey boots on the other hand...
Jim Dugan
NO, no, I'll have to go with Sylvia here about the flight,
and Jim about monkey boots.... JOE
From: mros...@ix.netcom.com(Michael Rosener )
ric...@netcom.com (Richard Collins) writes:
BRicha6796 (brich...@aol.com) wrote:
I got a burgundy flight and a black flight and
Oxblood Docs and black Getta grips. I dunno Is
that cool. I don't wear them all at once. My
Burgundy flight has about had it anyway. So have
my Getta Grips so I guess it's oxblood Docs and a
black flight for me. >
Another dude with a burgandy flight. Some people out
therer have this strange notion that it is a feminine
color. Now maybe, pink, or magenta would be feminine
but good old burganday rocks. I dated a girl named
Burgandy, but that is another story .....
Well hell, if we're all coming out with our burgandyness (is
that even a word?) i had one, but it's toast now. I'm going
with a good ol' blue now.
sketch
And so everyone started coming out of the "burgundy flight"
closet. American President William "Bill" Clinton was even
heard to remark: "I had a burgundy flight once, but I didn't
wear it."
Chris, CRM9...@UConnVM.UConn.Edu summed it all up best when
he said:
I'm basically in the same boat as Sketch. I had a
burgandy flight, then I got my green one (which was a
piece of shit) but I have to say that the best lookin
one has to be the blue. Throw on a pair of oxblood
london undergrounds, a box hat, and yer good to go!
BRicha6796 (brich...@aol.com) writes:
Well off the subject of wet dreams etc. I got this
catalog and they have flights in Silver, Desert camo,
and woodland Camo. That's much worse than burgundy.
BEN
3.4: Patches
Joellen Welch (jow...@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
I've been dying to find a backpatch that says "better
dead than red", but other than that, i just have an
American flag. I have POW-MIA patch (yes, I've been a
supporter since six, not since i cut my hair off), but
I just ordered a green and black one that's gonna go on
my flight. As for bands, i just stick with the little
sleeve pins, of which I currently have none.
"AudioWhore, M.D." <man...@cs.tufts.edu> writes:
I love patches with the name of the band on them, but
because I'm a music snob, personally, I would have to
know -a lot- about the band before I put it on my
flight. I saw a nifty Scofflaws patch, but I didn't
get it, because 1> I don't own any of their material,
2> I don't know them well enough as a band-- ie. # of
albums, members, history, 3> Because it would be just
plain embarassing a huge fan of there (who knows
everything about them) started talking to me about
them....
The Werewolf of London <bae...@plains.nodak.edu> wrote:
Well, I have a US Flag on my left shoulder, a Union
Jack (or Butcher's Apron as some call it) on my right
shoulder, a pin that says Oi! and a pin with a skin,
Union Jack and "The Last resort" on it...
Jen/Ed has a Canadian flag on her left sleeve, a patch
with a skin and Oi! on her right sleeve, an Oi button
and skinhead girl button on her flight (she can't get
her newsgroups anymore so I thought I'd speak for her)
sc...@panix.com (Schroedinger Cat) writes:
Let's see... I have a Skinhead Moonstomp (small, square
one) on the back of my flight, with a Vespa: Foremost
in Performance patch underneath it; a Chelsea:
England's Pride patch on my right sleeve, with a
Deutscher FuBball-Bund patch underneath it... on the
front is yet another Chelsea patch, and on the left
sleeve is Ajax, with a smaller vespa patch right above
the pocket. On the collar I have my grandmother's
coast guard pins from WWII, a Chelsea badge (surprise
surprise), America/Germany crossed flags, and my Cum
Laude pin (I had to put it somewhere or I'd lose it!)
3.4.1: The Spirit of 69:
Michelle Chen (vox...@nyc.pipeline.com) wrote:
One of my friends in school has a yellow and black,
circular patch that reads "69" on his backpack.
Everyone seemed to assume that it represented the --
er, sexual position, "69". However, at a show, I saw a
skinhead with the same patch displayed prominently on
his flight jacket. I came to the conclusion that he
thought it stood for the "Spirit of 69". Could it be
either, or was that skinhead just humiliating himself
8)?
Richard Collins (ric...@netcom.com) writes:
Well funny you should ask that little girl. Many of my
friends and I have those "69" patches on our flights.
We wear them in refrence to "Spirt of 69" to indicate
that we are traditional skinheads, in the same way a
SHARP would have a SHARP patch or a nazi a swastika.
Somehow there is a connection however with the
astrological symbol of the Cancer. I do not know what
it is to be honest. And ironically I am a Cancer so
when people ask me am I a Cancer I sometimes think "How
did they guess ... duh !" I guess that patch has a dual
meaning for me, but generally it is a trad thing !
The Werewolf of London (bae...@plains.nodak.edu) writes:
paul (pma...@gl.umbc.edu) wrote:
i thought the sham skins started the 69 patch thing.
the sham army and so on.
yeah, that's what i thought too....The Sham Army started
it...
3.4.2: Crucified Skin:
SmokeyL (smo...@aol.com) writes:
what is the history behind the crucified skinhead? I
saw on one of the tatoos of a crucified skin, blood
and honor, which kind of sounds like something racist?
please fill in me on what the significance about it is?
napoles lisa m (nap...@students.uiuc.edu) writes:
The crucified skinhead symbol was used by the Oi! band
Last Resort, but it's pretty much become a universal
skin symbol.
Schroedinger Cat (sc...@panix.com) writes:
The crucified skinhead thing is getting co-opted by
freshcuts. If there's one patch you SHOULDN'T put on
your first flight, it'as a crucified patch... that's
about having suffered persecution and the like for a
LONG TIME because of being a skinhead... I have no
particular time frame in mind, but let me just say that
I've been wanting one for a few years now, and think
I'm going to wait a few more just in case.
You get a crucified skins patch when you know you're in
it for life; and frankly, no matter how dreamy-eyed you
may be at the prospect of boots and braces, after your
first month with a shaved head you can't really know if
a year from now you'll find it equally appealing.
(booro...@cobra.uni.edu) writes:
I've never actually heard of wearing a crucified skin
patch. Around here you get it tattoed after about 5 or
6 years. But most of the skins that have stuck it out
that long don't have the patch or the tattoo. The
patch seems kinda dumb.
Last word on "Patches and Pins" goes to paul
<pma...@gl.umbc.edu> who writes:
well right now i have a red stripe, and a skinhead
moonstomp pin. the busters and selecter patches, and a
guinness bar towel on the back under an embroidered
fred wreath.
Which brings us to:
3.5: FREDS!
>From the home office in Sioux City Falls, Nebraska (NO, not
really), "James F. Dugan" <flu...@nyc.pipeline.com> writes:
I suppose I can take a stab at this ... I realize this is
way too long, feel free to edit it.
Fred Perry's:
Probably the single most popular "skinhead" shirt around,
particlarly in the US. Despite a recent popularity among
Ravers, Skaters, and television personalities, that laurel
wreath crest is pretty much synonymous with skinheads, and
feartures prominantly in zines t-shirts and tattoos.
History:
Fred Perry was arguably the greatest English tennis player
of the 20th century. He died last year in Australia, in his
early 80's, and despite persistant rumor, was not black.
Like many athletes today, he lent his name to a line of
tennis related apparel with the ubiqitous laurel wreath, a
traditional symbol of victory, as it's logo. The original
line were standard tennis shirts, made from an open weave
pique knit fabric that "breathed" and absorbed sweat.
Contrary to anther rumor, Perry did not "invent" this style
of shirt, it was popularized in fact, by Izod Lacoste, as an
alternative to playing tennis in long pants, long sleeved
shirts and sweaters. Today, the company that owns the
trademark makes every thing from wool sweaters to golf
shirts, to warm up suits.
The shirts were very popular in the early to mid 60's,
particularly in, England, but as English Fashion was
dominant at the time, the sold well all over. Sean Connery
can be seen wearing a white one on the beach in Dr. No (look
closely in this scene and you can also see his tats on his
forearm, which are "Scotland Forever" and "Mum and Dad") and
they appear often in "period" films such as Air America (a
ghastly yellow with an aqua crest) and Quadrophenia (several
shirts on Mods and Rude Boys) The shirts, as can be seen in
Quadrophenia, were very popular as everyday wear with the
fashion concious (obsessed?) mods. As hard mods grew away
from their more intellectual and wealthier counterparts,
they continued to wear the shirts. This is in part due to
the "I'm not going to dress like a peacock all the time"
mentality and partly because many fo the shirts came in
fabric and piping combinations that matched football team
colors.
Even when the shirts fell out of mainstream fashion, skins
continued to wear them, and they essentially became a part
of skinhead culture. Particularly here in the US, theyre
sort of a status item, because theyre not easy to find, and
unless you find one at TJ Maxx, rather expensive due to the
exchange rate and import duties. Also, Ben Shermans, the
only other contender for an "official" skinhead shirt, are
less distinctive, despite stitching the Ben Sherman logo on
the newer shirts, more expensive, and harder to find.
Finding/Buying Fred Perry's:
Fred Perrys aren't easy to get a hold of, and a shirt can
cost you up to $50 when you do find them. Your options are
basically: tennis shops, mail order, TJ Maxx, or thrift
stores. Things to keep in mind: Your best bet is at TJ
Maxx in the early spring. Many get good selections in and
they run $12-20 as opposed to $35-50 for a new shirt. This
is especially useful if you live in an area with few skins.
They don't get bought up and you can often get them on the
clearence rack for next to nothing. Conversely, go to
tennis stores at the *end* of the summer when they have all
of their sales. Thrift stores just require persistance. I
personally hate mail order. You have to wait forever,
often they send the wrong thing or size and theyre
expensive. Unfortunately, some people have no other
alternative, particularly if you want a sweater, socks or
basically anything other than a plain shirt. A few tips,
call first and be very specific. If its out of stock, then
decide if you want to substitute. Also, keep in mind that
if you order from Shelly's or the Merc *you* are responsible
for the cusoms duties, its not included in the price, and
they *won't* tell you. Its really an unpleasant surprise to
have to go to the post office and pay $30 bucks over what
you've already paid to ransom your new shirt/suit/
hat/whatever from the Government.
In general, be persistant, and buy what you like when you
see it, but don't buy something just' cause its got the logo
on it. Some of that shit is UGLY and youre not going to
get cool points for wearing a black Fred with neon lime
green piping (true story) just 'cause its got a crest on it.
I've gotten a ton of gear over the years and I think I paid
full price for exactly one of the shirts I still have.
Jim Dugan
3.5.1: What the freak is a "wifebeater" ;p? (Michelle Chen)
James F. Dugan (flu...@nyc.pipeline.com) writes:
A wifebeater is an "A" shirt (as opposed to a"T" shirt,
[yes these names actually mean something]) otherwise
known as a ribbed tank top or a "(least favorite ethnic
group here) formal shirt" For some reason they are
particularly popular with skinheads, and IMHO, the most
comfortable undershirt you can get (unless of course
you have to worry about tats showing through your
shirtsleeves)
3.6: Where can I get ???
>From the Skinheads on the Internet web page, Skinhead gear
web page, TreySkin (voo...@phatjunkie.net),
bigs...@northcoast.com (MIke), Michelle Chen, dj jurgen
(jur...@io.org), and Kate Lloyd (kal...@lynx.dac.neu.edu):
Probably the most difficult thing for skinheads, at least
those not living in large cities or on the coasts, is
finding traditional skinhead clothing. Even in large cities
it is sometimes hard to find places that carry a good
selection or reasonably priced clothing. This list is to
help skins find the clothes they want to wear. It is a
little skimpy at the moment, so I hope that people will send
me some mail with more places to add to the list.
The Merc
19-21 Ganton St.
London W1V1LA
England
071-439-7750 or 071-734-1469
FAX 071-734-1476
The skinhead store. They have everything you could
possibly want including Fred's, Ben Sherman's, foot
wear, T-shirts, etc. I've never ordered anything but
everyone that I've talked to says that the service is
good. The catalog has some cute girls in it too.
At Ganton St & Camden Lock London A top shop dedicated
to skinhead gear at good prices and a range not to be
beaten. Own brand suits, exclusive ben sherman gear,
hard to find fred perry oddities! Also stocks books,
fanzines and cds/tapes. Well Worth a visit .
Sherrys
Ganton St,
London.
Similar to and across the street from, The Merc. A
smaller shop with large range of Freds, Bens and own
brand suits, all the usual skinhead gear.
Shellys
Several around central London. Oxford St (2), Covent
Garden. A huge range of boots and shoes all at about
the best prices available.
Holts
Camden Lock
London
A small shop that sells a large range of docs and other
quality boots / shoes with a skinhead / mod customer
base in mind and at good prices.
Army Surplus, Millets
Everywhere, Ideal for good cheap boots, camo & combat
trousers and of course MA1 Jackets.
99X
84 East 10th St.
New York, NY 10003
212-460-8599
A friend of mine went to NY and ordered a bunch of
stuff from them. The prices seemed to be a little
inflated, but he got a bunch of cool stuff. Fred Perry,
Ben Sherman, Lonsdale and various things. The 3/4"
braces are sharp (and of good quality). I guess they
only do COD for mail order.
Crash And Burn
3184 Roswell Rd.
N.E. Atlanta, GA
30329
404-365-8502
From the people I've talked to, this seems to be a
complete skinhead store. Some have even compared it to
the Last Resort shop. The have everything: Music,
Boots, Perry's, Ben Sherman's, donkey jackets, etc. I'm
pretty sure they are cool about mail ordering, though
I've never done it myself. If you are looking for
something, you'll probably find it here.
They have screen printed patches, backpatches and
buttons together with a bunch of stuff. I'm not sure
about their prices, just call and ask for
Frank/Hillary.
Fred Perry Outlets
1589 Sulpher Spring Rd.
Baltimore, MD
410-247-4479
The outlet store has every piece of Fred Perry clothing
that you can imagine. Everything from shirts, jackets,
boxer shorts, and even socks. I picked up a sharp pair
of Fred Perry wool pants for $15. There are several
problems with this location however. The first is that
they have really weird hours. I can't remember exactly,
but I think they are open only on Tuesdays, Thursdays
and Fridays. The other problem with visiting the outlet
is that they only sell the lower class merchandise. I
don't know how these things work, but the standard
cotton knit Fred Perry is considered, higher class, so
you can't buy those at the outlet. Things I did buy
here were a really sharp long-sleeve rugby shirt, a
nice V-neck long-sleeve, and a few cotton (not knitted)
tennis shirts. From what I understand business can
order direct from them and get the higher class
merchandise. I had great fun laughing at all the ugly
warmup jackets they had.
Trash Vaudeville
4 St. Marks Place
New York, NY 10003
212-982-3590
From what I understand it is more of a punk store
carrying Docs, laces, braces and various other things.
I don't have a lot of information about them.
Two-Tone Mailorder
251 Main Ave
Passaic, NJ 07055
(201) 778-7478
I don't have the address right now, but you can order
Perry's, Sherman's, music, and all kinds of skinhead
related stuff from them. I'll put the address and phone
number up as soon as I find it.
As to whether or not they are cool to deal with,
idunno, i just ordered my first item the other day, and
the girl was pretty nice and friendly, sooo....
Er, they carry a fairly good selection of clothing, but
it's kind of expensive. They sell Fred Perrys and
workpants and porkpie hats. They also have a little
leather-bondage section (heh heh). They sell a lot of
records, too. More punk than ska, but they have a lot
of stuff on vinyl. They also sell books from S.T.
publishing, as well.
Air Wair Chicago
3240 N. Clark
Chicago, IL
312-248-6599
Fred Perry's and boots. Probably more stuff but I don't
really know.
Top Skin Mailorder
Top Skin, P.O. Box 20234
Cincinnati, OH 45220
I've never used them, neither had the person who gave
me the info. If anyone has ordered from them let me
know what they have.
HORROR SHOW badges
Frank Bruno
P.O. Box 1095
Chelsea,NY 1011-1095
You can get buttons from HORROR SHOW badges. They
mostly have Oi!. There are black/white and also full
color. The buttons are $1.00 each and when you buy 5
you get 1 free. Its a minimum of $5.00 for mail
orders. Just write and they'll send you a list and
information
Cole & Decker
1520 Lonsdale ave.
P.O. Box 3742
North Vancouver, BC
CANADA
V5M 3I7
(604) 985-0259
They're currently offering for retail gingham in red,
navy and black for short sleeved shirts, $60 Canadian
and $45 US. In long sleeve, they have navy blue, mars
green, black and white for $65 Canadian and $47.50 US.
Doc's Here
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
D&M Clothing
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
ICL Clothing
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
Le Shoe Store (3 - locations)
Toronto, Ontario
Canada
SYMS
New England
For all you skinheads out there looking for some fine
wear that is actually within your budget, check out
SYMS. I know it has several depots in New England, I
don't know about anywhere else. So if you don't know
about it, go there. Shirts run about $15-20 and
sweaters are about $20-25, usually a pretty good
selection to.
3.6.1: Anybody have a source for Sta-Prest trousers or
Dickies?
(CRM9...@UConnVM.UConn.Edu) writes:
Dickies are good pants for really cheap. I've had mine
for a while, and the the things have still held their
crease without ironing the damn things! Plus they look
pretty good, too.
Joellen Welch (jow...@lynx.dac.neu.edu) writes:
You don't want Sta-Prest. They're such crappy quality
now. Get Dickies. they rock.
4.0: About the Newsgroups
4.1: alt.skinheads
As the number of mindless crossposts and silly gits with
nothing better to do than come trolling onto the newsgroup
ground upon my (and a whole heck of a lot fo other peoples)
nerves, I wished that I could use a killfile.
Unfortunately, the Freenet software doesnt allow one that
luxury, so I just scan the subjects/authors for those that
interest me. And so...
People to Read in alt.skinheads
Name Address
Audiowhore, M.D. man...@cs.tufts.edu
The Werewolf of London bae...@plains.nodak.edu
Chris CRM9...@UConnVM.UConn.Edu
Gerrard A. Lindsay gal...@is.nyu.edu
Dare jad...@vt.edu
Ivon Kalalang ikal...@sierra.valleynet.com
James Dugan flu...@nyc.pipeline.com
Jennifer Jewkes jje...@orion.it.luc.edu
Jo Welch jow...@lynx.dac.neu.edu
Goddess of alt.skinheads
Jen Lyons/Moonstomper jlo...@emerald.tufts.edu
Cheeky Princess leah_r...@bc.edu
OhioSkin ohio...@aol.com
db d...@progeny.demon.co.uk
Eric Coomer coo...@nuc.berkeley.edu
Michelle Chen vox...@nyc.pipeline.com
Graham Wilson gra...@dircon.co.uk
Jenn Starkman bb...@freenet.carleton.ca
Official Welcome Wagon Hostess,
Co-Goddess of alt.skinheads
Jason M. Garner cd...@freenet.carleton.ca
Sylvia Rowe
Kali Holloway skh...@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Dominic Green demoni...@cix.compulink.co.uk
DJ Jurgen jur...@io.org
Modstyle68 modst...@aol.com
Stephen "Donny" Donaldson spr...@ix.netcom.com
Schroedinger Cat sc...@panix.com
Elizabeth Marie Richardson e...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu
Horse ho...@charm.net
Your mileage may vary, but these are the only people posting/
who have posted that I make a point of reading and that I could
remember off the top of my head. Any additions to the list are
encouraged.
4.2: alt.skinheads.moderated
>From the desk of the moderator, d...@progeny.demon.co.uk:
ALT.SKINHEADS.MODERATED
Alt.skinheads.moderated was the brainchild of a group of
alt.skinheads contributers who found that, as with many
Usenet newsgroups, the 'signal to noise ratio' (i.e., the
amount of unrelated and off-topic garbage being posted to
the group) was making it a difficult forum for Skinhead
related discussion between Skinheads.
At present alt.skinheads attracts about 100 new postings per
day - a large number of which are crosspostings, spams, get
rich quick scams and mass postings of flame baits.
This is not to say that there isn't a platform for
discussion somewhere in there - it just makes finding it a
lot harder! (the joy of KILLFILES)
So in order to created a group whose postings could be
controlled in some manner, alt.skinheads.moderated was
created by Graham Wilson (gra...@dircon.co.uk) in 1994.
It works in the same manner as a regular Usenet group -
except that there is a nominated 'moderator' who monitors
what is posted to the group. The moderator sees all the
messages before they become publicly available. At that
point they are either posted intact and unedited to the
group or zapped.
Anyone is welcome to post messages too
alt.skinheads.moderated and there is no secret censorship or
hidden agenda, but in fairness to all, the following obvious
guidelines apply to all postings..
The moderator will not post your message if it:
* is WAY off topic.
* is a spam
* is a deliberate flame bait
* is a binary (although some exceptions could be likely)
* it is apparently a forgery (anon remailers are welcome)
* is a multiple posting (i.e., several copies sent of the
same message)
* a crossposting from an unrelated group on an unrelated
topic
In December 1995 Graham needed a rest from moderating and so
a new moderator 'db' (d...@progeny.demon.co.uk) took over.
If your service provider doesn't carry the group - then
hassle them! It is very low volume and it is not a platform
for racist propaganda.
4.3: alt.skinheads.arent.neo.nazis
Sources (cited and not):
TBD
[AMS] alt.music.ska, various postings.
[AMSF] alt.music.ska FAQ, maintained by Tomas Willis
[AS] alt.skinheads, various postings.
[HSBR] "The History of Ska, Blue Beat and Reggae,"
Various Artists, Esoldun S.A.R.L./Blue Beat
REG 101, (1992). Liner notes by Delroy Sion Eccles.
[SHG] Skinhead Gear Webpage
[WPF] White Power FAQ, maintained by Arthur LeBouthillier
[SOTN] Skinheads on the Internet webpage
End of FAQ: Skinhead (alt.skinheads) Frequently Asked
Questions
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