This whole Barone v. Sugal thing...
Bob & Liz Fowler
say one little thing:
CHILL! There are plenty of players that play the mouthpieces that each of
you make, but FAR MORE who don't. If I've learned one thing in life, it's
that nobody's shit doesn't stink. Therefore, there is no reason to smear
shit on each other in public, you both just come up looking (and smelling)
bad.
Sorry if I offended anyone...
--
őżó
Bob Fowler
sax...@superlink.net
http://mars.superlink.net/saxman
Glenn Wilson
Glenn
Bob & Liz Fowler <sax...@superlink.net> wrote in message
news:s4det6...@news.supernews.com...
Lincoln
to do is to side with the first guy who offers me the tenor mouthpiece
of my choice free of charge. In exchange, they will receive my
complete unbiased devotion, and I will bad-mouth his foe.
Lincoln
B.B. Bean
Bodacious Big-time Bold Blues Blower" mouthpieces. I use only the
finest Rico Royal Graftonite mpcs, carve my name in the shank with a
pen knife, mumble vaguely carribean/african/french/yiddish curses and
blessings in its general direction, and leave it overnight on a speaker
playing your favorite tenor player. I am currently asking $1000 a
piece for these wonders, but offer a 30 minute money back guarantee.
Mail order only.
Since you'llbe my first endorsee, I'll expect you to loudly sing my
praises in any and all public forums, tell what sniveling dogs my
competitors are, and to be available for public appearances and
performances (unless you can't play, in which case you should develop a
health condition that renders you unable to perform).
Just send the address, player preferences, zodiac sign and $100 to
cover shipping and handling and I'll get right to work on your piece.
BBB
-
B.B. Bean - Have horn, will travel bbb...@beancotton.com
Peach Orchard, MO http://www.beancotton.com/bbbean.shtml
Glenn Wilson
Glenn
B.B. Bean <bbb...@beancotton.com> wrote in message
news:ooornaornapbggbap...@news1.i1.net...
B.B. Bean
"Ernie Watts couldn't blow this thing with an air compresser and a
steel spring bear trap" facing. My favorite faving alsocomes wit a
petrified reed, guaranteed to last you through the next millinium.
Jazz Disciple
parties involved could use a little...anal cleansing? After all, this has just
boiled down to a flame war between two competitors, and is really contributing
little to this group, except as fodder for bad jokes.
Jazz Disciple
Glenn Wilson wrote:
> Does this have anything to do with that enema post?
>
> Glenn
>
> Bob & Liz Fowler <sax...@superlink.net> wrote in message
> news:s4det6...@news.supernews.com...
> > I was going to stay out of this (I'm not taking sides), but I just want to
> > say one little thing:
> >
> > CHILL! There are plenty of players that play the mouthpieces that each of
> > you make, but FAR MORE who don't. If I've learned one thing in life, it's
> > that nobody's shit doesn't stink. Therefore, there is no reason to smear
> > shit on each other in public, you both just come up looking (and smelling)
> > bad.
> >
> > Sorry if I offended anyone...
> >
> > --
> > õ¿ó
John Crone
And the price of each is beyond any normal persons wildest dreams! Don't
say I haven't tried them, hell I even played on a Sugal for a while, but
it only cost me a hundred bucks!
Where do these guy's get off with these prices? And why do we idiots pay
them? Is the perfect sound that elusive? Just what the hell is going on
here anyway!
God...I feel better now.........
JC
Bob & Liz Fowler wrote:
>
> I was going to stay out of this (I'm not taking sides), but I just want to
> say one little thing:
>
> CHILL! There are plenty of players that play the mouthpieces that each of
> you make, but FAR MORE who don't. If I've learned one thing in life, it's
> that nobody's shit doesn't stink. Therefore, there is no reason to smear
> shit on each other in public, you both just come up looking (and smelling)
> bad.
>
> Sorry if I offended anyone...
>
> --
> őżó
MidiOpera Co.
> You know what is really sad, neither of there pieces are that shit hot!
Leave it to JC to sum things up concisely.
It's what we all need - a U$99 Barodala New JC model ($120 in Canada).
Happy HDazed all.
RS
only gonna be in the 70s today JC.
--
Robert Steinberg
MidiOpera Co.
http://www.evcom.net/~midiopra/
http://www.tcol.net/~midiopra/
Glenn Wilson
sound like Sanborn or Albert Ayler or Alan Eager. The petrified reed sounds
good. Does it come in flavors?
B.B. Bean
recommend vintage champagne corks for use in the bell of your horn.
Lincoln
density that it defies gravity. I want that "ernie watts" facing, and
please include a ligature that will make it sound like a McCulloch
chainsaw.
Lincoln
B.B. Bean
I think you'll actually prefer our Husky motorized lig - lots of people
ask for the McCullogh when what they really want is that big Husky
power.
Sugal
makes no difference to me if you got a new car from Barone.
He is the one who viciously made defamatory remarks about me in this
news group.
If "folks" up here think he is a ok thats fine -but I have three huge
files of both public and private documents proving otherwise. Remember
I was never in this NG and didn't ask to be slandered.
Gary Sugal
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LeliaLoban
>recommend vintage champagne corks for use in the bell of your horn.
>
Absolutely, and, of course, if it's a Selmer Paris sax, it must have only a
*French* champagne cork, not one of those California corks.
;-)
Lelia
Please delete NOSPAM from my address to reply by e-mail.
George C. Kaschner
Sugal wrote:
> Look friend or foe- this is not about mouthpieces nor competition...
And your argument doesn't seem to be about saxophones or music either...
> Remember I was never in this NG...
Ah, those were the good ol' days...
Cheers,
George
Lincoln
the first offer, so I'm going to have to go with him.
B.B. the husky sounds fine to me.
Lincoln
Paul Lindemeyer
>
> In that case, you'll be the first endorsee of "Bear "BB" Bean's
> Bodacious Big-time Bold Blues Blower" mouthpieces. I use only the
> finest Rico Royal Graftonite mpcs, carve my name in the shank with a
> pen knife, mumble vaguely carribean/african/french/yiddish curses and
> blessings in its general direction, and leave it overnight on a speaker
> playing your favorite tenor player. I am currently asking $1000 a
> piece for these wonders, but offer a 30 minute money back guarantee.
> Mail order only.
What, no yak hide?!! 'Tain't worth it...
--
LINDEMEYER PRODUCTIONS INC.
Orchestras Ensembles Graphic Design
C.G. CONN Saxophones "Choice of the Artist"
Paul Lindemeyer <pau...@cyburban.com>
Sugal
This is not about mouthpieces or competition, after all I am the one
who was rear ended here !
You see this is not the first time Barone attacked me or any of my
friends.
The last time I talked with Barone was in front of the Federal
courthouse in New York in 8/93 after I settled a two-year court case in
which Barone dragged me and Guardala into.
My advise to him at the time was to stop mailing players who did not
endorse his mouthpiece "dead fish" and stop making life threatening
phone calls to famous players...(yes I still have the tape recordings
he left on an answering machine-sorry the fish )
I further stated he could develop a nice mouthpiece business if he
would mind his own business and just do his thing. Words he listened to
up until 11/99.
The "folks" up here may think he is a OK kind of guy but I have three
huge files of both public and private documents proving all of the
allegations made in 1991-1994 about Barone...
Further, with the permission of a number of players who were viciously
attacked by Barone I plan on finishing a WEB site containing all of
the police department reprots, private investigators, and a FBI
investigation --all of the transcripts of the trial- so that the
"folks" like you will at least know the truth... a leopards spot never
changes!
Understand this is not about a competitor but about a person who has
viciously defamed and hurt not only myself but a long list of beautiful
musicians over the past decade .....and its because they didn't like
his stupid mouthpiece or wouldn't endorse it!
I've gotten lots of email about PB shit in the past week. I am only
going to put up scanned factual pages of the truth.... no stories, no
bs... just the facts.
Then you decide! ..
Understand I don't want you to buy, use or endorse my mouthpiece....I
don't care and that is not what this about!
I was never part of this group (& don't advertise my web site in
NG-even in this post) nor do I care if you bought his mouthpiece or
John Doe's Super Duper,... but I have been viciously attacked and
defamed by Phil Barone...he attacked me and my customer from out of
nowhere, first...so if you get nothing out of this other than some
insight into this person's character you will have learned what human
(in-human) nature is like.
Mitch
>
> Hey guys wake up and smell the roses.
I can smell fine, and it ain't roses.
> The "folks" up here may think he is a OK kind of guy but I have three
> huge files of both public and private documents proving all of the
> allegations made in 1991-1994 about Barone...
Burn 'em.
> Further, with the permission of a number of players who were viciously
> attacked by Barone I plan on finishing a WEB site containing all of
> the police department reprots, private investigators, and a FBI
> investigation --all of the transcripts of the trial- so that the
> "folks" like you will at least know the truth... a leopards spot > never changes!
A waste of disc space.
> Understand this is not about a competitor but about a person who has
> viciously defamed and hurt not only myself but a long list of > beautiful
> musicians over the past decade .....and its because they didn't like
> his stupid mouthpiece or wouldn't endorse it!
Small fish, huge ocean. Ticks on an elephant. You think someone like
Brecker gives a crap??
>
> I've gotten lots of email about PB shit in the past week. I am only
> going to put up scanned factual pages of the truth
Pull the other one.
> .... no stories, no, bs... just the facts.
>
> Then you decide! ..
Must I??? How about if I just ignore this stuff?
>
> Understand I don't want you to buy, use or endorse my mouthpiece....I
> don't care and that is not what this about!
If it isn't about mpc., saxes, or getting me to play better, what the
f**k are you posting this HERE for???? Place an ad in the NY Times.
> I was never part of this group (& don't advertise my web site in
> NG-even in this post) nor do I care if you bought his mouthpiece or
> John Doe's Super Duper,... but I have been viciously attacked and
> defamed by Phil Barone
....Defamed by Barone in front of a dozen news groupers who really don't
care. I don't care if he stood on the top of his house taunting you for
a solid month. Your feeling were hurt, not your reputation. I'm going to
guess that 99.9% of the players likely to try one of your mpc. have
never heard of Phil Barone, and visa-versa, and 99.9% of THOSE don't
even know this NG exists.
Turn off the computer and take a walk around the block... Meet anyone
that knows you and Phil are pissing at each other??? No.
Take a Midol and get some rest.
Mitch
tex...@my-deja.com
I had a Barone for a while (that's another story) and I feel sure it
would have been a much better piece if I had done the cryogenic
treatment on it. It was an OK mouthpiece, but seemed to need that
little extra that comes from the deep freeze.
Wade
In article <38426073...@home.com>,
John Crone <2big...@home.com> wrote:
> You know what is really sad, neither of there pieces are that shit hot!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Sugal
through other means such as lost wax casting forging or injected
moulding they would cost less than $100.00. The material and parts are
very inexpensive....read on..
However, for me to run the CNC machine (see some photos
at:www.gis.net/~schwartz) cost about $85.00 an hour.
I am what you call a bonafide manufacturer and that means I buy the raw
material in the form of square bar stock, machine it from a square into
a round mouthpiece, reface the external part as well as drill the
internal moutpiece in order to achieve any color of sound you desire.
All the manufacturing operations are done in-house....we buy nothing
on the outside except the bar stock.
Mr. Barone is not a bonafide manufacturer, has never poured metal nor
has he owned or ran a CNC machine. In fact Barone purchases pre-formed
sized mouthpiece parts from the Babbitt Company and does some minor
hand re-facing...but according to his ads has everyone believing he is
a bonafide manufacturer!!
So if you want to save some very serious money call Babbitt and buy
some pre-formed saxophone blanks (they should cost from $8.00-$18.00)
and send them to a reputable mouthpiece maker for refacing... I'll be
happy to send you a few names of some very fine technicians who have
refaced many of Barones work along with other makers.(email me your
request)
GARY SUGAL
Phil Barone
really own. Jeezus, I must be crazy!
--
Check out WWW.Philbarone.com for all your mouthpiece needs. Virtually hand
made brass and sterling silver mouthpieces and custom saxophone mouthpiece
work.
Call and speak to Phil at (212) 686-9410 Fax: (212) 679-9439
My mouthpieces are set up to be used with Rico Select Jazz reeds and
traditional ligatures but I also recommend Vandoren's Optima ligature.
Sugal <schwartz...@gis.net.invalid> wrote in message
news:0237dd28...@usw-ex0102-012.remarq.com...
Tom Savonick
You're digging a deep hole for yourself. Many people in this NG, self
included, have been to Phil's apartment and know he has a CNC machine.
Please take this argument offline unless you're just bound and determined to
destroy your reputation. There are people who delight in watching that sort
of thing, but I'm not one of them.
Tom Savonick
Sugal <schwartz...@gis.net.invalid> wrote: "Mr. Barone is not a
Andy Harman
<bbb...@beancotton.com> wrote:
>It comes in three facings: Weenie, Slacker, and my favorite facing, the
>"Ernie Watts couldn't blow this thing with an air compresser and a
>steel spring bear trap" facing.
That kinda sounds like a stock Rico Royal to me. Are you sure these
are "custom"? :-)
Andy
----------------------------------------------------
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Or my personal site at http://www.hhcustom.com/nspmg
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Steve Carmichael
sell it to buy Opera CDs?
Steve
Phil Barone wrote:
>
> That's interesting, I make I big payment every month on a machine I don't
> really own. Jeezus, I must be crazy!
>
> --
>
> Check out WWW.Philbarone.com for all your mouthpiece needs. Virtually hand
> made brass and sterling silver mouthpieces and custom saxophone mouthpiece
> work.
> Call and speak to Phil at (212) 686-9410 Fax: (212) 679-9439
> My mouthpieces are set up to be used with Rico Select Jazz reeds and
> traditional ligatures but I also recommend Vandoren's Optima ligature.
>
> Sugal <schwartz...@gis.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0237dd28...@usw-ex0102-012.remarq.com...
> > Hey! I agree my mouthpieces are very expensive and if we produced them
> > through other means such as lost wax casting forging or injected
> > moulding they would cost less than $100.00. The material and parts are
> > very inexpensive....read on..
> >
> > However, for me to run the CNC machine (see some photos
> > at:www.gis.net/~schwartz) cost about $85.00 an hour.
> >
> > I am what you call a bonafide manufacturer and that means I buy the raw
> > material in the form of square bar stock, machine it from a square into
> > a round mouthpiece, reface the external part as well as drill the
> > internal moutpiece in order to achieve any color of sound you desire.
> > All the manufacturing operations are done in-house....we buy nothing
> > on the outside except the bar stock.
> >
> > Mr. Barone is not a bonafide manufacturer, has never poured metal nor
Sugal
Didn’t know they made a CNC 440 3 phase CNC machine under 7500 pounds
you can carry up to an apartment!
My little CNC tipped the scales at 9500 pounds.
( visit :http://www.gis.net/~schwartz/stepmfg.html)
We must be talking about one of them lightweight retrofits that plugs
into your kitchen toaster outlet!
Or is it the new portable lap top version coming in from China?
Gary
Sugal
<PhilB...@PhilBarone.com> wrote:
> That's interesting, I make I big payment every month on a machine
> I don't
> really own. Jeezus, I must be crazy!
> --
the "Jeezus part" ... are you asking or confessing? ...cause I can fill
in the dates for you !
monk...@my-deja.com
but this is getting stupid!!! you both make awesome mouthpieces i wish
i could afford, and you both have your issues with yourselves and one
another. this is just cluttering the NG, and getting pretty
annoying...you are grown men, tryin to kill weach others reputations on
this is just plain nuts, both you bickering back and forth seems so
immature! please stop before this gets anymore m essed up ok ??? please?
Chuck Hollocker
IMHO BvS=B.S.
Regards,
Chuck Hollocker
Phil Barone
it but thank you for sharing. Phil
--
Check out WWW.Philbarone.com for all your mouthpiece needs. Virtually hand
made brass and sterling silver mouthpieces and custom saxophone mouthpiece
work.
Call and speak to Phil at (212) 686-9410 Fax: (212) 679-9439
My mouthpieces are set up to be used with Rico Select Jazz reeds and
traditional ligatures but I also recommend Vandoren's Optima ligature.
Chuck Hollocker <holl...@airmail.net> wrote in message
news:543DEA983DEDCB16.6C519819...@lp.airnews.net...
Sugal
> wish
> i could afford,
>>that should change in January... were working on some new models!
that will cost a lot less ....about half.. gold plated.
> ... just for the record in thirty years of being in business I never
threatened or tried to kill anyone...let alone there reputations!
Visit:
Sugal Mouthpieces on the Web at:
http://www.gis.net/~schwartz
for a custom made gold plated brass and copper mouthpiece...also check
out our incrediable Grenadilla Wood pieces...
Sugal
for the moment I wish it were!
write:
schw...@gis.net
or Visit..
Sugal Mouthpieces on the Web at:
http://www.gis.net/~schwartz
for a custom made gold plated brass and copper mouthpieces...also check
out our incrediable Grenadilla Wood pieces.
http://www.gis.net/~schwartz/output3/wsgnz.jpg.html
Piotr Michalowski
Enough already! Could you both please take this offline?
Thanks--Piotr
George K.
Sugal wrote:
As I said before this was never about mouthpieces....but lets just say
for the moment I wish it were!
So why not turn it around and start making your posts about mouthpieces, saxophones, or music? Anything else is simply not appropriate for this newsgroup.
write:Hmmm, when I did write to that address, I got back a steamin' reply with the header "Not interested in your business"! I was so impressed with Sugal's note that I decided then and there to honor his request and turn my interests elsewhere.
schw...@gis.net
or Visit..
Sugal Mouthpieces on the Web at:
http://www.gis.net/~schwart
Yep, it looks like a warmup for a real rant. Can't wait... <NOT>
Have a good holiday, Gary. I hope you're in better spirits in the new year.
All the best,
George
Andreas Parnow
schreibt:
>Enough already! Could you both please take this offline?
>Thanks--Piotr
But why?
I have a lot of fun counting the score for them. Deadline is Dec. 31.1999.
Who will make the highscore?
;-)
Sugal
> > schw...@gis.net
> Hmmm, when I did write to that address, I got back a steamin'
> reply with the
> header "Not interested in your business"! I was so impressed with
> Sugal's note
> that I decided then and there to honor his request and turn my
> interests
> elsewhere.
I’m in great spirits and didn’t mean to offend you-- but in order to
be precise do re-read your original
mail so as not to take what I said out of context (especially if your
going to re-post).Enjoy the Holiday
Gary
> > or Visit..
> > Sugal Mouthpieces on the Web at:
> > http://www.gis.net/~schwart
> Yep, it looks like a warmup for a real rant. Can't wait... <NOT>
> Have a good holiday, Gary. I hope you're in better spirits in the
> new year.
> All the best,
> George
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> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>As I said before this was never about
> mouthpieces....but
> lets just say
> <br>for the moment I wish it were!</blockquote>
> So why not turn it around and start making your posts about
> mouthpieces,
> saxophones, or music? Anything else is simply not
> appropriate for
> this newsgroup.
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>write:
> <br>schw...@gis.net</blockquote>
> Hmmm, when I did write to that address, I got back a steamin'
> reply with
> the header "Not interested in your business"! I was so
> impressed
> with Sugal's note that I decided then and there to honor his
> request and
> turn my interests elsewhere.
> <blockquote TYPE=CITE>or Visit..
> <br>Sugal Mouthpieces on the Web at:
> <br><a
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> </blockquote>
> Yep, it looks like a warmup for a real rant. Can't
> wait...
> <NOT>
> <p>Have a good holiday, Gary. I hope you're in better
> spirits in
> the new year.
> <p>All the best,
> <p>George
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