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ansermetniac

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Jan 24, 2005, 6:46:04 PM1/24/05
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1958 # 7 Poni-Tails Born too Late

http://home.earthlink.net/~toscaninny/btl.mp3

This record is one of my gulity pleasures.When you hear it on the
radio you can't hear that it is a superb session man. Here it is in
stereo, and mellowed out. I would not bet the farm, but I would be
surprised if it were not Skeets and his cigar cutter and Brillhart.

Anyone know for sure?

Abbedd
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Brian Axelrod

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Jan 25, 2005, 10:56:01 AM1/25/05
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John Laughter, where are you when we need you for an answer!!!
Jeff, you are not alone, this alto solo has been a favorite of mine since I
was a kid and it always showed that any style of playing, as long as it was
great, would fit with most anything and whoever played this was a wonderful
player with a beautiful alto sound!
Don't feel guilty Jeff, after all some of us that have been all over the
place with some pretty good name bands, still get chills when hearing works
by Boots Randolph, King Curtis, Jesse Powell and many other VERY underrated
players. If it has a good sound and is well done, what's wrong with it.
Screw those few elitist jerks out there, pardon my passion on the topic, too
many years of doing oldies and lounge shows that are looked down on by the
so called "purist" lovers and other elitist types.
Brian
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Jan 25, 2005, 11:20:44 AM1/25/05
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Similar category, the Columbia George Young LP's from the early 60's
where they
were attempting to make him the Al Hirt of the alto. Looks like your
dentist on the cover but excellent playing. I remember him showing up
on Ed
Sullivan, etc.

Tim

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Jan 25, 2005, 2:48:04 PM1/25/05
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Brain Ax-your right....let me add,,IF you can't play a "bag" like
this.Then you sure as hell can't play jazz or anything related.
This is basic " meat & taters" ..soloing.No more, no less.
~~~~~ WHOEVER ~~~~~ This alto player is...he set the stage for a
generation to come.

Kinda time less in a way~ ya know?
Guys like George Young etc had the trail blazed by guys like this.
George was probally _the best_at this when he hit but kept going into
the new scene.
Who ever this guy is....he's great.
What the heck would ya call this bag?
DOO WOP-SOUL-OLDIES??!??? LOL. I dunno,,

TP

Steve Marshall

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Jan 25, 2005, 8:08:59 PM1/25/05
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"Brian Axelrod" <bar...@optonline.net> wrote

> John Laughter, where are you when we need you for an answer!!!
>

This is one of the solos where we haven't been able to identify the player.
If anyone knows for sure, please let us know !


Steve M


Steve Marshall

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Jan 27, 2005, 8:02:16 PM1/27/05
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"ansermetniac" <anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote

> 1958 # 7 Poni-Tails Born too Late
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~toscaninny/btl.mp3

Asking around I got this information. I can't verify it.

From Jon Kutner, chart supremo:
Re the other question, this is what I've managed to come up with: The
arranger/producer was a guy named O.B. Masingill who would have been brought
in by ABC-Paramount. It sounds like Billy Mure on guitar & Andy Ackers on
Hammond B3, plus possibly Seldon Powell on tenor sax. The first two were
regular white session frontliners in New York at the time, whilst Seldon was
one of the few black musicians who turned up on these kind of dates.


Steve M


ansermetniac

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Jan 27, 2005, 8:35:14 PM1/27/05
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 01:02:16 -0000, "Steve Marshall"
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> plus possibly Seldon Powell on tenor sax.

It is an alto. Did Seldon play alto

Steve Marshall

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Jan 28, 2005, 9:07:30 PM1/28/05
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"ansermetniac" <anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote

"Steve Marshall"


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> > plus possibly Seldon Powell on tenor sax.
>
> It is an alto. Did Seldon play alto
>

I was guessing the guy just made a mistake about the sax type. I know next
to nothing about Seldon so can't say how reasonable a suggestion this is. To
me it sounds like the guy that played for Paul Anka, but we haven't
established who that is either.

Steve M


ansermetniac

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Jan 28, 2005, 9:20:50 PM1/28/05
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Talk to someone who knew Skeets

John McCoy

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Jan 30, 2005, 1:05:08 AM1/30/05
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You got me thinking about it.... so I asked them.... here is the answer.....
John
Just for the records,we are the 2nd. generation of Poni Tails. We did redo
the song to an album.However we are not the originals. They have since
retired,and one has passed away.
We used two sax players.Tommy Trotta & Joe Armo.
We are trying to get our florida booking agency"Rapp Enterprizes "
to bring us to do shows in Fla. . If we do ,we would love to meet you.
Thank you.
Noela

Johnnie

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Steve Marshall

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Feb 1, 2005, 6:29:51 PM2/1/05
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"John McCoy" <jh.m...@verizon.net> wrote
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> You got me thinking about it.... so I asked them.... here is the
answer.....
> John
> Just for the records,we are the 2nd. generation of Poni Tails. We did redo
> the song to an album.However we are not the originals. They have since
> retired,and one has passed away.
> We used two sax players.Tommy Trotta & Joe Armo.


Cheers. Can anyone tell us more about these guys ? Is one alto and the other
tenor - or both alto players ?


Steve M


John McCoy

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Feb 1, 2005, 9:27:06 PM2/1/05
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Don't know anything about them, myself.... ask the poni tails at:
no...@theponitails.com
Johnnie

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Steve Marshall

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Feb 4, 2005, 12:24:06 PM2/4/05
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"John McCoy" <jh.m...@verizon.net> wrote

> Don't know anything about them, myself.... ask the poni tails at:
> no...@theponitails.com

OK, I did and got this reply.

Sorry,I wish I could help you ,however, MY PONI-TAILS GROUP IS NOT THE GROUP
OF THE 50`s, . we are a tribute to the girl groups of that time . We
Rerecorded a CD with many songs but only one of the original Poni Tails song
which was Born Too Late is on that CD .The sax players names that I
mentioned were on the remake not the original.

So back to square one !


Steve M


John McCoy

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Feb 5, 2005, 12:25:30 AM2/5/05
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....oops
Johnnie

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ronmk...@shaw.ca

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> >I too am trying to nail down this Sax player. Take a listen to the Sax on Dodie Stevens 'Too Young'. I will bet it is the same guy?
Ron

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It could be Plas Johnson playing alto. Does anyone know where it was recorded? That could help us nail it down. Believe it or not that is a Charles Strouse song.
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David Jencen

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Jul 14, 2021, 11:16:23 PM7/14/21
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On Monday, July 6, 2020 at 6:15:19 AM UTC-4, neil...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2005 at 7:46:04 AM UTC+8, ansermetniac wrote:
> You can be sure that the sax player on Born Too Late is the Late Frank Jencen as part of Al Tercek Orchestra, who are the backing group. He can be heard on some other of their tracks, such as "Your Wild Heart", but he really nailed it on this track.

Hello, I'm in the process transferring 8mm film from the 50s-60s that I inherited from my father Frank Jencen. I came across this thread, and would appreciate it if someone could send me the link to the song you refer to above. While I was aware of most of their recordings and appearances, I had no knowledge of Al Tercek's band sitting in as a backing group.
Thanks for your help,
David Jencen
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