Exposing Sax on the Web-What they really are and stand for, and who funds them
ansermetniac
unethical policies of their owner and moderators which include but
were not limited to:
1) Allowing and participating in the trashing of the playing
ability and character and integrity of the late Michael Brecker
2) Allowing and participating in humor at the expense of the
victims of Dave Guardala
3) Allowing and participating in trashing the expertise and
character and integrity of successful members of the industry to
advance the imagined expertise of their moderators and columnists who
have no qualifications except titles bestowed upon them by the owner
of SOTW
After I exposed them with a post in alt.music.saxophone, my temporary
ban became permanent. In addition, my IP address was banned so I could
not read new posts and see if these policies were continuing or if I
was being libeled
Nevertheless, I made a request for registration using what 95% of SOTW
users use instead of their real name, a handle. Due to an error on my
part, during registration, I received an infraction which then
requires my posts to be reviewed for approval by a moderator.
Below is the text of private messages sent to me showing that the
infraction was forgiven and that the moderators were not aware,
despite by satiric handle, that this member was their "Scourge"
Recipients: Bill Mecca, Chris S, drakesaxprof, fballatore, Harri
Rautiainen, kcp, Pete Thomas, wannabeiam
Wannabeiam,
It has come to our attention that you have opened another account in
the form of user "IAMAWANABEE".
This is very much against the forum rules and regulations that you
agreed to abide by upon applying for membership to this forum board. I
have locked the IAMAWANABEE account, and will be forced to do the same
with your current one if you do not contact site owner Harri and sort
this out asap.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
__________________
Mike S.
SOTW Administrator
My response
When I joined under the other name, I typed in an incorrect email
addy. So I just redid it. Delete IAMAWANABEE
Their response
Will do, thank you for your fast reply.
Cheers.
__________________
Mike S.
SOTW Administrator
I attempted to post a response to thread that at first asked for
opinions of the Steve Goodson Sax Mouthpiece but deteriorated into an
utethical thread trashing Mr. Goodson's character and integrity. The
thread now contained a list of what is expected ethically, from
industry members. This list was seconded by many
My response (as best as I can recreate as it was not posted was this)
I joined SOTW yesterday. I have reviewed many of the archived posts to
ascertain what I may expect in this forum.
I have seen an almost 100% disapproval of Steve Goodson. I have also
found an almost 100% approval of Phil Barone. In other Sax forums I
have seen evidence that Barone and Gary Sugal are counterfeiters
including mp3s of phone calls where Sugal and Barone plotted their
scheme, which happened, and was the subject of:
Dave Guardala Mouthpieces Inc. v. Sugal Mouthpieces Inc and Phil
Barone et al., 22 U.S.P.Q.2d 1149 (S.D.N.Y. 1991)
Can someone explain to a SOTW newbie why this is so.
Wannabieiam
When I hit the post button I was given a message that said my post
would be held until approved for posting by a moderator. I have
experienced this before with the account I was banned from when I
received infractions for posting objections to libel against myself
and Michael Brecker
This post was killed by the moderators of SOTW. It is quite clear that
the anti-Guardala bias and Pro-Barone worshiping of the owner and
moderators has progressed past ethical behavior. The owner has stooped
to the allowing and participation by his moderators and columnists in
:
1) Condoning of counterfeiting and killing of posts exposing this
tort and now banning th person whe made that post
2) Trashing of proven industry members
3) Trashing of the most influential Saxophonist of the last 40
years to discredit his mouthpiece maker and advance their anointed
King
4) Banning from membership, the designer of Brecker's mouthpiece
and allowing and participating in a campaign to discredit the ability
integrity and character of this person
5) Killing all posts that may hurt the reputation of their
anointed King of Saxophone Equipment, even if their contents are true
The methods of SOTW's owner are funded and sponsored by the following:
Kessler Music
Roo Pads
P. Mauriatt Saxophones
Jeffrey "Abbedd" Powell
Design, Manufacturing, Acoustical Engineer
Introducer of CNC to the Music Industry
mike
ansermetniac
wrote:
>it makes me nostolgic for the good old M15 Persecution days...
SOTW is a fraud and is bad for the industry. One day their advertisors
will realize that.
I am the only who has the guts to expose them for what they are.
The more they antagonize me the more I will expose them
Is creating your credibility by trashing members of the industry and
their expertise to protect the self procalimed expertise of your own a
good thing?
Should the trashing of Brecker, who is dead and not able to a answer
to ruin his mouthpiece makers reputation to build up the guy you wish
was him, something you would support monetarily.
SOTW is a serious threat to the industry Be glad that I hav the guts
to defend it
Abbedd
Steve Marshall
"ansermetniac" <anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote
> SOTW is a fraud and is bad for the industry. One day their advertisors
> will realize that.
For goodness sake, Jeff. It's just a forum for people to chat about stuff.
It seems there are plenty of arguments there and then people come in here
and moan about it. We've heard plenty of tales about lurkers/ trolls and
folk up to no good.
Google has sent me looking at different forums before and I've found bad
information in probably all I've visited.
What you need to accept is that some people don't agree with everything
someone writes. People can tell when someone is being unjust to one of the
great players. Most people can happily ignore such nonsense. Arguing with
them just draws attention to what they said.
> SOTW is a serious threat to the industry Be glad that I hav the guts
> to defend it
I don't think reads as you intended.
I doubt a forum is any threat to the industry at all.
Steve M
ansermetniac
Did you read what I have beeen writing. They are trashing industry
members and Michael Brecker for their own benefit
A complaint gets you banned so you can't see the new posts. I am
smarter than them. When they ban me I get right back in
Many want to learn there and think because they see banner ads from
legitimate companies it is a legitimate place The crap that their
self proclaimed experts are spewing is ridiclous
What they did to Michael-with the blessing and copperation and posts
of the owner and moderators is disgraceful. The sponsers should say,
bullshit man, I don't dig that, Maybe they are gutless too, I am not
Abbedd
Joe Blow
the search engine for the terms "Michael Brecker" . About 80% were
references to "the greatest saxophone players of all time"in that he
wasn't always first I suppose you could claim that he was insulted
according to your lights. I'd have called it pretty flattering (and
also pretty much correct). Searching for "Michael Brecker Barone" it
was as a great saxophonist and musician that Barone portrayed Brecker
without exception. I found no negative remarks about Michael Brecker
anywhere.
I did find a mixed set of opinions on Guardala mouthpieces- most of
the disparaging remarks centering on the price to value ratio;
something which is in the eye (or wallet) of the purchaser. Quite
frankly Mr Barones takes seemed remarkably evenhanded for a
manufacturer of competing products. Given your relationship to tha
Guardala line and conviction that all others are guilty of design
theft you clearly disagree and that's understandable.
The application of CNC technology to mouthpieces? if that is your sole
claim, is a weak reed to stake any claim to fame. The designers of
CNC controlled milling machines deserve credit- you're way down the
line as (an active and innovative) user of some one elses
inspiration. The forum is intended primarily for saxophone playing
BS- with a focus on intermediate/ younger players. It also hosts a
number of "gee my horn don't toot- what can I do?" "Will vise grips
suffice to adjust the pad height?".... and similar issues. Given that
your posts appear to have been: assertions that you deserved repect,
statements to the effect that "x makes a major difference." without
any discussion whatsoever on why, how, or any other aspect, assertions
that you deserved great respect, commentary on other mouthpiece
manufacturerers bieng dishonest scum who weren't worthy to kiss the
ground your feet had trod upon, assertions that your really derserved
great respect, commentary on current politics with a Cassandra point
of view, assertions that you really for sure were worthy of
unbelievable respect bordering on worship, and no commentry whatsoever
on actually playing the sax, its not surprising that you were an iffy
fit. Most discussion boards depend upon discussion- give and take.
You idea was to speak that others might listen. To question was
disrespectful.
To sum up; pound sand poopyhead.
Joe Blow
Greg Evans
> To sum up; pound sand poopyhead.
Ha - see? I *knew* that was coming!!
;)
ansermetniac
wrote:
I see that you are the usenet distributor of crapola
Abbedd
ansermetniac
Yeah, that's the most offensive phrase of his prose
Abbedd
Lance Hoopes
How in the Hell do you have time design, engineer or introduce
anything? This little feud is consuming you and controlling your
life. IMO you need to see a counselor and get some of this behind you
before you explode. I actually am afraid that we'll see you on the
news someday.
Get back to designing, engineering and introducing things. Use you
talents to out design and out sell the people you are railling
against. LIve your life instead of trying to ruin theirs.
I didn't read your whole post 'cause I could see it was all stuff
you've said before and I have read some of your ranting posts in their
entireties.
Anyway, I hope your life gets better for you soon.
Lance in Arizona
ansermetniac
I am out of the business and therefore am seeing this from outside the
bubble
I keep from exploding by living these two thoughts which maintains my
self esteem. Your concern is appreciated byt uneccasary
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men
Abraham Lincoln
The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of
moral crisis, remained neutral
Dante
Abbedd
P.s Why did I spend so much money and effort* to Stop Barone and Sugal
even though I did not benefit from it nor need to? . Because it was
the right thing to do and did it for the industry. Anuthing
iligitimate is bad for the industry. The tort of counterfeiting
although targeted at me was really on the entire industry. As was the
false and stolen advertisng of Gary Sugal
* Having to deal with lawyers and judges and their world of confusion
and illogic is purely distasteful. Avoids it all costs if possible.
In my case it was not
"It is a maxim among these lawyers, that whatever hath been done
before, may legally be done again: and therefore they take special
care to record all the decisions formerly made against common justice
and the general reason of mankind."
Jonathan Swift
Steve Marshall
"ansermetniac" <anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Did you read what I have beeen writing. They are trashing industry
> members and Michael Brecker for their own benefit
Don't you think Brecker's reputation is strong enough to withstand such
onslaughts?
I wouldn't have thought a few hecklers would stand a chance in hell of
affecting Brecker's status.
Steve M
ansermetniac
True true true. Does that justify its existence, with the help of the
Owner, Moderators and advertisors of SOTW. What is the intent of the
Owner and moderators. To discredit Brecker in order to discredit
Guardala to advance Barone.
Disgusting
I exposed them there and told them it was disgusting. I am now banned.
I tried to teach those who wanted to learn but was shot doiwn by their
moderators and their qualifications of nil bestowed upon them by
Harri. He protects then no matter what they say, by definition
People should write nasty letters to their advertisors (Funders)
Kessler Music
Roo Pads
P Mauriat
When I was at Sam Ash, they sponsered a sales thing at D'Addario, who
then distributed Vandoren. All the store managers were flown in. The
Education department sent my collegue because I did not have to be
told about mouthpieces and reeds. My collegue told me that to build
up the V-16 Mouthpiece, the new D'Addario expert spent the whole time
trashing the Guardala Mouthpieces.
Good thing I was not there. i would havve marched into John
D'Addario's office and told him what was happening and asked him if
THAT is how he does business. My assumption was that this crap was not
from up above.
When I told Paul Ash, Ash's president , he said, "That is too bad, we
don't do business that way"
Abbedd
>
>
>Steve M
>
Barry Isaac Levine
BL
in article ed8c5361-a34b-4968...@u6g2000prc.googlegroups.com,
Lance Hoopes at lan...@gmail.com wrote on 5/11/08 8:48 AM:
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> On Tue, 13 May 2008 22:19:08 +0100, "Steve Marshall"
>
> <s...@atmosBlockA.plus.com> wrote:
>
>
> - Show quoted text -
I went through the SOTW archives to see for myself exactly what Barone
said about Brecker. The only post I could find was this:
http://www.saxontheweb.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=616429&postcount=62
I'll save my commentary for the most part, as I think the reader can
come to their own conclusions about the what, why, etc of the whole
debacle.
For the record, the only products I own of each party are a Barone
neck and a Guardala (studio) mouthpiece... and they get along just
fine.
ansermetniac
Much of what Barone said was deleted to protect SOTW
Did you know that Barone counterfeited my products?
Abbedd
foad
"ansermetniac" <anserm...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e09e34ttn4i24koit...@4ax.com...
> Did you know that Barone counterfeited my products?
Did you sue him?
ansermetniac
Yes.
I received a 20-30 page document with injuctive and permanent relief
as agreed upon in a court sponsered settlement before trial.
Many of the things he agreed upon , has been violated.
The same goes for his partner Gary Sugal
Would you like to hear phones calls between Sugal and Barone plotting
their evilness. The transcript is a matter of public record as it was
attached in defense of a motion to dismiss for venue and jurisdiction
made by Sugal, which he lost . Many use that decision in THEIR briefs,
today.
Dave Guardala Mouthpieces, Inc. v. Sugal Mouthpieces, Inc., Phil
Barone, et al., Inc., 779 F.Supp. 335, 336 - 37 (S.D.N.Y. 1991).
Abbedd
Barry Isaac Levine
anserm...@hotmail.com wrote on 5/23/08 4:52 PM:
> Would you like to hear phones calls between Sugal and Barone plotting
> their evilness. The transcript is a matter of public record as it was
> attached in defense of a motion to dismiss for venue and jurisdiction
> made by Sugal, which he lost . Many use that decision in THEIR briefs,
> today.
--
How was such a (presumably) private conversation between defendants
discovered?
And secondly, how then entered as evidence against the defendants?
BL
ansermetniac
<barry...@LuncheonMeat.Norwoodlight.com> wrote:
>in article i2be34lrcfiidkr5k...@4ax.com, ansermetniac at
>anserm...@hotmail.com wrote on 5/23/08 4:52 PM:
>
>> Would you like to hear phones calls between Sugal and Barone plotting
>> their evilness. The transcript is a matter of public record as it was
>> attached in defense of a motion to dismiss for venue and jurisdiction
>> made by Sugal, which he lost . Many use that decision in THEIR briefs,
>> today.
When Barone was caught selling the counterfeits on 48th st, Dave
called him. He got scared and told us about the phone calls he taped.
Later,I called Barone and preyed upon his need to be liked and
befriended him enough for him to send me copies.
Sugal and Barone denied being the countefeiters. Barone to this day
denies it even though HE sold them and these tapes prove he helped
plan it.
Sugal made a frivolous motion to dismiss the lawsuit for venue and
jurisdiction To discredit his and Barone's credibility we enclosed a
transcript of these tapes. In addition, as Justice Lasker's decision
stated, we had a responsibility to show a prima facie case. This did
it in spades.
After the motion was filed, Sugal advertised "See my pieces at Manny's
NY City". When I faxed it to my Lawyer, he immediately called back and
asked, "What the hell is the matter with this man. If I was HIS
Lawyer I would have killed him".
Justice Lasker ruled that if you target another state by advertising
or at trade shows, your torts in that district are actionable in than
district. In layman's. tongue, there are very few local businesses
and don't come into the Southern District of NY and create a tort and
expect to get away with it.
Next up: Sugal's harassment of the witnesses against him by sending
letters to them and their employers on Barone's stationary. Sugal is
barely literate. We hired a professor of English from Oxford and
Columbia to prove that Sugal wrote the text typed onto a photostat of
Barone's letterhead and signature. Letter's went to Branford Marsalis,
Michael Brecker and Jerry Ash Chairman Sam Ash employer of one of the
affidavit signers against Sugal and Barone
My biggest mistake was to be nice to Barone for giving us the tapes.
His Lawyer wanted to knwo why I did not put him out of business, as he
was afraid I would and he could not stop. Did I know he would later
try to gain credibility by createing an army of soldiers brainwashed
by his bullshit that exist to discredit Dave, Michael and Myself
The settlement conferences was funny. The magistate and Barone were
the only non-Jews there. Between the Lawyers, Plaintiffs and Sugal we
could have had a minyan
Abbedd
Barry Isaac Levine
anserm...@hotmail.com wrote on 5/26/08 2:59 PM:
> On Mon, 26 May 2008 13:53:18 -0400, Barry Isaac Levine
> <barry...@LuncheonMeat.Norwoodlight.com> wrote:
>
>> in article i2be34lrcfiidkr5k...@4ax.com, ansermetniac at
>> anserm...@hotmail.com wrote on 5/23/08 4:52 PM:
>>
>>> Would you like to hear phones calls between Sugal and Barone plotting
>>> their evilness. The transcript is a matter of public record as it was
>>> attached in defense of a motion to dismiss for venue and jurisdiction
>>> made by Sugal, which he lost . Many use that decision in THEIR briefs,
>>> today.
>> How was such a (presumably) private conversation between defendants
>> discovered?
>> And secondly, how then entered as evidence against the defendants?
>
Definition: Minyan: the quorum required by Jewish law to be present for
public worship. Traditionally, 10 males who are at least over the age of 13.
Glenn
Glenn
> moral crisis, remained neutral
>
> Dante
>
ansermetniac
wrote:
http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/11125
Abbedd
Barry Isaac Levine
anserm...@hotmail.com wrote on 5/27/08 10:34 AM:
Touché.
Somehow, I get the idea that you might also like this quote on the same
page:
"I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking
them."
:)
BL
--
ansermetniac
<barry...@LuncheonMeat.Norwoodlight.com> wrote:
>in article it6o34hm89glh0d5v...@4ax.com, ansermetniac at
>anserm...@hotmail.com wrote on 5/27/08 10:34 AM:
>
>> On Tue, 27 May 2008 05:46:18 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <Kill...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of
>>>> moral crisis, remained neutral
>>>>
>>>> Dante
>>>>
>>> Dante never said this, or anything much like it. Google the quotation.
>>
>>
>> http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/11125
>>
>> Abbedd
>
>
>Touché.
>
>Somehow, I get the idea that you might also like this quote on the same
>page:
>
>"I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking
>them."
>
>:)
>
>BL
"Please judge me by the enemies I make"
FDR
Kramer: If you say your birthday wish out loud it won't come true
FDR*: That is just a silly superstition
* Franklin Delano Romanowski
"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the
people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it
becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its
essence, is Fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a
group, or by any other controlling private power"
FDR-predicting the Bush Administation and the effect of Lobbyists on
Congress, since the killing of JFK
"If FDR had lived, there would be no Israel"
FDR Bigrapher as quoted by Rabbi Jossph Telushkin
"Truman used the Jews to win the 1948 election and then, afterward,
doomed them to death with his arms embargo. He is a true Haman. Israel
was saved by the arms provided to them by 'Mordechai' Stalin"
Yaackov ben Ephraim
"Franklin Delano Rosenfeld!!!!!"
Archie Bunker to Maude
Abbedd
Glenn
President Kennedy in a speech.
Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Dante knows that his ninth and
lowest (not "hottest"!) circle is for traitors. Since Dante pretty
much follows the traditional 7 deadly sins and is concerned with sins
of commission, not omission, he has no place in Hell for those who are
neutral. I think he would put them in Purgatory on level 4 (Canto
XVII)
If you want to live by a quotation from Dante, you might consider
actually reading him. I think you would personally find the discussion
of the wrathful in Canto VII and VIII relevant to this newsgroup and
your postings to it.
Glenn
> > On Tue, 27 May 2008 05:46:18 -0700 (PDT), Glenn <Killer...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>> The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of
> >>> moral crisis, remained neutral
>
> >>> Dante
>
> >> Dante never said this, or anything much like it. Google the quotation.
>
> >http://www.quoteworld.org/quotes/11125
>
> > Abbedd
>
> Touché.
>
> Somehow, I get the idea that you might also like this quote on the same
> page:
>
> "I do not want people to be agreeable, as it saves me the trouble of liking
> them."
>
> :)
>
> BL
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foad
"Glenn" <Kill...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:181720df-1fa0-4368...@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>The link you cite is incorrect. It repeats an incorrect remark made by
> President Kennedy in a speech.
> Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Dante
If you're going to be condescending it helps if you're vaguely correct.
"One of President Kennedy's favorite quotations was based upon an
interpretation of Dante's Inferno. As Robert Kennedy explained in 1964,
"President Kennedy's favorite quote was really from Dante, 'The hottest
places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of moral crisis preserve
their neutrality.'" This supposed quotation is not actually in Dante's work,
but is based upon a similiar one. In the Inferno, Dante and his guide
Virgil, on their way to Hell, pass by a group of dead souls outside the
entrance to Hell. These individuals, when alive, remained neutral at a time
of great moral decision. Virgil explains to Dante that these souls cannot
enter either Heaven or Hell because they did not choose one side or another.
They are therefore worse than the greatest sinners in Hell because they are
repugnant to both God and Satan alike, and have been left to mourn their
fate as insignificant beings neither hailed nor cursed in life or death,
endlessly travailing below Heaven but outside of Hell. This scene occurs in
the third canto of the Inferno (the following is a translation from the
original written in the Italian vernacular):
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Historical+Resources/Archives/Reference+Desk/Dante+Quote.htm
Greg Evans
> "One of President Kennedy's favorite quotations was based upon
> an interpretation of Dante's Inferno.
Say, I wonder if there's a variant of Godwin's Law for invoking Dante's
'Inferno' in a thread....
ansermetniac
Thanks FOAD
Virgil? Wasn't he Ted DiBiasi's sidekick
Abebdd
ansermetniac
>If you're going to be condescending it helps if you're vaguely correct.
Knowing a fact and understanding that fact are two different things
Dante de Abbedd
bearti...@gmail.com
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 15:06:36 GMT, "foad" <j...@sdjkfh.com> wrote:
> >If you're going to be condescending it helps if you're vaguely correct.
>
> Knowing a fact and understanding that fact are two different things
Is there any forum anywhere where you have not annoyed and alienated
practically everyone?
J
ansermetniac
wrote:
Welcome to John Harrington, troll and resident anti-Semite of
rec.music. recordings.classical
I see he has trolled over here, after me
Abbedd
bearti...@gmail.com
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:14:01 -0700 (PDT), beartiger....@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >On May 28, 8:20 am, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 May 2008 15:06:36 GMT, "foad" <j...@sdjkfh.com> wrote:
> >> >If you're going to be condescending it helps if you're vaguely correct.
>
> >> Knowing a fact and understanding that fact are two different things
>
> >Is there any forum anywhere where you have not annoyed and alienated
> >practically everyone?
>
> >J
>
> Welcome to John Harrington
Pleased to meet you all.
> ...resident anti-Sem<snip>
I am actually not in any sense an anti-Semite, as will be shown, since
jeffrey will be unable to cite any post of mine anywhere that has
anything anti-Semitic in it. jeffrey calls a number of posters on
rmcr anti-Semites, and none of them are, either, as near as I can
tell.
You should know, however, purely FYI, that jeffrey is:
an anti-Semite:
No one likes a whining Jew." -abbedd
(http://tinyurl.com/ez445)
"There ain't nothing worse than a WHINING JEW." -abbedd
(http://tinyurl.com/jnkvg)
"I have experienced whining Jews for 45 years" -abbedd
(http://tinyurl.com/jnkvg)
"The worst anti-semites are Jewish. Wel,l they don't kill 6 million
at a time, but they say some nasty things." -abbedd
(http://tinyurl.com/3k6lg6)
anti-Arab:
"anamalistic [sic, meaning Arabs]" -abbedd
(http://tinyurl.com/3z3blg)
and, in general, stupendously racist:
"I will vote for the jigaboo [sic, meaning Obama], eat a banana and
swing from the chandeleir [sic]." -abbedd
(http://tinyurl.com/6sa3va)
John
ansermetniac
wrote:
>On May 28, 9:21 am, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:14:01 -0700 (PDT), beartiger....@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>
>John
John Harrington posted a very long diatribe about the lowness of my
character. His closing was, "I knew someone else like Abbedd once and
hew was Jewish too"
Make your own conclusions. He also makes insipid remarks against all
posters in RMCR who are Jewish. None against non Jews.
Abbedd
bearti...@gmail.com
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:29:35 -0700 (PDT), beartiger....@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> >On May 28, 9:21 am, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:14:01 -0700 (PDT), beartiger....@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
>
> >John
>
> John Harrington posted a very long diatribe about the lowness of my
> character. His closing was, "I knew someone else like Abbedd once and
> hew was Jewish too"
As I was saying....
As to your character, I'm certain the denizens of this group are very
familiar with it.
> Make your own conclusions. He also makes insipid remarks against all
> posters in RMCR who are Jewish. None against non Jews.
Bullshit. I have made no insipid remarks on rmcr, and I have had
vigorous debates with all the posters there, including TD, Bob
Lombard, Bob Harper, and Don Patterson, none of whom is Jewish.
J
ansermetniac
wrote:
Troll, anti-semite. Worthless piece dof doo-doo.
What are you doing here but proving my point. This is a sax group.
Abbedd
bearti...@gmail.com
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 13:26:38 -0700 (PDT), beartiger....@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >On May 28, 12:45 pm, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:29:35 -0700 (PDT), beartiger....@gmail.com
> >> wrote:
>
> >> >On May 28, 9:21 am, ansermetniac <ansermetn...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:14:01 -0700 (PDT), beartiger....@gmail.com
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >John
>
> >> John Harrington posted a very long diatribe about the lowness of my
> >> character. His closing was, "I knew someone else like Abbedd once and
> >> hew was Jewish too"
>
> >As I was saying....
>
> >As to your character, I'm certain the denizens of this group are very
> >familiar with it.
>
> >> Make your own conclusions. He also makes insipid remarks against all
> >> posters in RMCR who are Jewish. None against non Jews.
>
> >Bullshit. I have made no insipid remarks on rmcr, and I have had
> >vigorous debates with all the posters there, including TD, Bob
> >Lombard, Bob Harper, and Don Patterson, none of whom is Jewish.
>
> >J
>
Your signature should go below the body of your post, antisemiteniac.
J
ansermetniac
wrote:
mentally deficient troll
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
Abbedd
bearti...@gmail.com
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 14:34:30 -0700 (PDT), beartiger....@gmail.com
You simply don't learn, antisemiteniac. *BELOW* the body.
J
Glenn
fabricated the "quotation."
Glenn
On May 28, 11:06 am, "foad" <j...@sdjkfh.com> wrote:
> "Glenn" <Killer...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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