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Mark Hoza

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Sep 2, 2003, 11:01:18 AM9/2/03
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Hello all,

I am a wooden flute maker from Australia, and have recently put together a
web site for my friend who has just released a new prestige saxophone
collection. If you want to have a look, visit:

http://JohnLehnerSaxophones.com/
John Lehner Saxophones Australia, The Don Burrows Collection.

These saxophones are of the highest quality, with reasonable prices,
especially if your currency is stronger than the Australian dollar!

Cheers,

Mark Hoza

--
Mark Hoza's Kything Flutes
Wood headjoints for concert flutes and Irish style wooden flutes
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(alternate email: hoza...@ozconnect.net)


Gary Morrison

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Sep 3, 2003, 10:25:24 AM9/3/03
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The detachable bell sounds interesting, even if only for cleaning. I'm used
to vintage instruments, including a Buescher curved soprano which doesn't
even have a detachable neck!

Are these really made in Australia, or are they, like the Cannonball line,
actually from a eastern-Asian maker?


JG

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Sep 1, 2003, 4:16:12 PM9/1/03
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As far as I know, they are made in AU, Richard Booth tells me the saxello
he's just got from John, is by far the BEST playing sop he has ever owned.

JG
www.jgerber.com

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Gary Morrison

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Sep 3, 2003, 4:16:52 PM9/3/03
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According to a well-versed Aussie saxophonist who in fact has one of these,
they're made in Taiwan, but Lehner has visited the factory and made
improvements on how they're designed and manufactured. He says that they're
excellent horns.


JG

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Sep 1, 2003, 4:53:18 PM9/1/03
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Quote from Bootman

"The John Lehner horns are made in Taiwan, it is seriously the best Sop I
have yet played. I sent you a little clip, Did you get it?

This is a ripper of horn and will knock you out, admittedly I picked this
one out of 10 or so in offer. It also has no high F# key and the altissimo
pops out impressively and easily. It is also very loud. The metal Link is
the best on this horn so far."

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Stephen Howard

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Sep 4, 2003, 5:18:56 AM9/4/03
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On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 14:25:24 GMT, Gary Morrison
<mr8...@austin.rr.com> wrote:

>The detachable bell sounds interesting, even if only for cleaning. I'm used
>to vintage instruments, including a Buescher curved soprano which doesn't
>even have a detachable neck!
>

Most modern horns have detachable bells - but it's really a feature
that's only of any use to the repairer.
Removing the bell to clean a horn would require that you know how to
refit and realign it, and have the means to ensure a good seal.
Pop it back together a fraction of a degree out of line and you'll
throw the low B/Bb cups out of line.

Regards,


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simgab

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Sep 4, 2003, 6:19:05 AM9/4/03
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Been done before - Temby saxes from Australia : same story. Manufactured in
Taiwan under strict supervision from Mr Temby, over 5000 miles away. Lehner
flutes are great though...
Simon


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Gary Morrison

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Sep 4, 2003, 7:44:13 AM9/4/03
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> Pop it back together a fraction of a degree out of line and you'll
> throw the low B/Bb cups out of line.

Are the bell-key linkages still attached to the body of the horn?


Stephen Howard

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Sep 4, 2003, 10:31:29 AM9/4/03
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Yes they are - you can remove the bell and leave the bell keys intact.
Generally, the only keys that need to be removed are the low C/Eb
keys.

The problem arises that when reassembling the horn, the bell key cups
are set to seal with the tone holes at a very particular angle in
relation to the body. Given that there's always a bit of leeway in the
bell to body joint, it can ben hard to get it back exactly in the same
spot.
Granted, the bell stay will help to align the bell, but this too can
be subject to slight movement.

In other words, it's not safe to assume that if you remove the bell
and refit it, the bell keys will simply work as before.

BONB

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Sep 4, 2003, 3:20:09 PM9/4/03
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There's a Australian company called Temby Australia who make saxophones as
well, sourced from Taiwan.

Greg Strange,
Hamilton, North Island, New Zealand (1000 miles east of Australia).

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TR

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Sep 6, 2003, 7:57:36 AM9/6/03
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Since I live in Sydney I thought I might as well drop by Brent Lang's shop
('Prestige Woodwind and Brass') and give the Lehners a go, having become
curious after reading the original post. This morning I tried the student
model tenor and the baritone, both in the gold lacquered version. Altos were
out of stock (business seems to have been quite brisk), and since I haven't
touched a soprano for over 20 years I'm not in a position to make a judgment
on John Lehner's saxello's - any intonation problems would be more likely to
be mine rather than the horn's.

I tried the tenor with my Berg Larsen 115/2 SMS mpc, and even though the
tenor is no longer in my arsenal I had surprisingly little trouble with
intonation, something to which my ears quite sensitive; in the altissimo
register I could easily keep all notes in tune without trying hard. Once the
horn began to warm up the tone was smooth, and remarkably consistent across
the whole range.

The baritone is my main axe these days, and the only Taiwanese bari I had
ever tried (earlier this year) was a Jupiter 893 pro model, which I found
lacking body in the lower register - it sounded thin. I tried the Lehner
with a Link Tone Edge 5 mpc, and I was immediately blown away by the punch
this horn delivers! Full bodied, consistent sound across the range, all the
way up to altissimo, and again, even tuning throughout. The tone was overall
a bit more edgy than on my Yamaha bari, and very much what I feel a bari
should sound like - a bit 'rough around the edges', not too clean. Very
crisp response even at the lowest notes, on this horn I could jump around at
large intervals without missing a single low note.

Both horns were well set up, as I expected... otherwise there would be
little justification for the arrangement between John Lehner and his
suppliers. The action was quiet and reliable, and I checked for lateral and
longitudinal play in the key barrels, but I could not detect any - it was
all very tight. I don't know (yet) what type of screws have been used - I'm
no Stephen Howard and I don't think Brent would have been happy with me
taking the horn apart right in the middle of his shop on a busy Saturday
morning...
I also had a look at the detachable bell, but like Stephen indicated
elsewhere in this thread this has been designed as a help to repair
technicians, and not to facilitate easier cleaning; this joint is not meant
to be taken apart every other week or so.

All in all I am quite impressed, particularly with the baritone. I ended up
with two (minor) gripes: on both horns the LH thumb action (octave keys and
on the bari the low A) felt 'mushy' rather than crisp, but I'm sure this can
be improved by changing the spring tension, and on top of that it is a
matter of preference - I am used to the notoriously high tension on the
Yamaha.
The second concern is that even though I am by no means a small bloke (6'2")
the C/D# keys on the bari felt a bit distant; I could imagine people with
smaller hands having some trouble reaching down. To some extent this can be
compensated by adjusting the thumb rest I guess, or perhaps it is just a
matter of getting used to.

At the current price setting here in Australia, i.e. significantly below
Yamaha and Yanagisawa saxes in comparable brackets, these horns look like
good bang for the buck, certainly worth considering. Some time soon a new
shipment is expected, including altos - I'll be back giving them a try - TR

Stephen Howard

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Sep 7, 2003, 7:45:49 AM9/7/03
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On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 11:57:36 GMT, "TR" <tjm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

<snip>


>
>At the current price setting here in Australia, i.e. significantly below
>Yamaha and Yanagisawa saxes in comparable brackets, these horns look like
>good bang for the buck, certainly worth considering. Some time soon a new
>shipment is expected, including altos - I'll be back giving them a try - TR
>
>

Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to share your impressions
- I'd be very interested to read your opinions of the rest of the
horns when they arrive.

Regards,

--
Stephen Howard - Woodwind repairs & period restorations

http://www.shwoodwind.co.uk

Paul

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Sep 11, 2003, 10:06:22 PM9/11/03
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Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't these run of the mill
Tawainese saxophones "tarted up" with fancy prices?

Can't anybody can get there name on these saxes for a few dollars?
there seems to be an awfull lot of this going on. come guys lets have
the full story I hate being deceived :-(

Paul

P. Tung

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Sep 12, 2003, 3:09:10 PM9/12/03
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A Google Groups search for "cannonball big bell" and "unison tenor," or
"Cannonball unison winston," or similar, will address your question in a
general way. As phrased, it's unlikely your post is going to encourage
Lehner to comment, if he reads here.

Lots of past discussion on this, and the notions imbedded in phrases like
"run of the mill Taiwanese saxophones," in the past. Read up & rephrase, is
my advice. If you really want to know the story, asking a more pointed
question, without the "tarted up" language, will be more likely to encourage
useful answers.

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simgab

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Sep 13, 2003, 4:26:19 PM9/13/03
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Well, I can't comment specifically on Lehner saxes - I can say his flutes
are great. BUT I do have experience with Temby saxes - another Australian
bloke sourcing saxes outta Taiwan and selling them as something special.
Here in New Zealand they sell at $1500-2000 US but having played a few,
aren't anything special. They're meant to be intermediate level horns, but
beginner/intermedate series Yamahas are just as good IMO, and can be found
for less. They have all the same features as them, although Mr Temby talked
about some new 'cylindrical lathing' process (?) that would produce a more
even intonation than handmaking bells / bodies etc. He got endorsements
from various pros (including Adam Simmons) and alot of yadda yadda
marketing went with it. Local stores here in NZ were personally visited by
David Temby a coupla years back. Most of his stock is still sitting on the
racks.
Simon


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