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Rovner Eddie Daniels I vs II ligature

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Toni Linder

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Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
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I recently switched from a Rovner Eddie Daniels I ligature on my Ron Coelho
alto mouthpiece to a Rovner Eddie Daniels II. The new model gives a bigger
sound, but it seems to be much less indulgent with reeds. As a matter of
fact, some of the reeds that play well on the ED I speak very badly on the
ED II - it's as if the reed would not seal the mouthpiece properly.

The people at Rovner told me that contrary to the ED I, you have to tighten
the new ligature quite strongly. This helps for some of the reeds, but not
for all.

Any explanation or similar experience?--
Toni Linder
Toot Sweet!

hea...@in-tch.com

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Feb 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/13/00
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Toni,
When did they release the ED II. I bought my ED I about two years ago. How do I
know which I have? I also play an RPC on my tenor and would like to try the ED
II if I don't have it already. What kind of reeds are you using? Maybe that is
a factor. The new ligature might be more picky.
Thanks,
Heath

Bud

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Feb 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/14/00
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The EDII was about a year ago. The EDI has little plastic ribs. Mine
broke, so I got the EDII. It has a metal piece where it hits the reed that
can have a couple of different pieces put in the change it. Pretty cool
lig. I use it and the Dark model.

Bud

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hea...@in-tch.com

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Feb 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/14/00
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Bud,
I believe I have the EDI then. It has black plastic feeling ribs and two metal
ribs at the bottom where it touches the reed. Does the EDII have black metal
ribs? If so, I'd best make certain mine are plastic and not metal before I order
another.
Thanks,
Heath

Lincoln

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Feb 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/14/00
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I have the ED I. There are no ribs at all. Just the metal pieces that
actually hold on the reed.

The ED II is the one with the plastic ribs that float lig on the sides
of the mouthpiece.

check: rovnerproducts.com

They have pictures.

When I first ordere the ED, I loved it. I was way into Rovner. But
then after a while I realized it wasn't really all that much better. I
have about 6 different rovner ligatures, and I used to experiment with
all of them. I was convinced that the looser the reed was held on, the
better off you were.

But I've discovered the beauty of having the reed held on tight. I use
the Selmer lig that they make for metal mouthpieces on my Metal Link.
It's awsome. It's long and holds very tight. I get a better seal, it's
louder, sounds MUCH better, and it makes more reeds playable that
otherwise wouldn't be.

Try the Selmer, it's only $20 from WW & BW.

I would try the EDII. It looks cool, but I'm a strict devotee of
tightening the lig very tight now. You couldn't do that with the ED I;
you would crush the little metal plates that contact the reed.

Are the contact rails on the ED II similar to the ED I? Are they thin
and flexible, or solid?

Lincoln

SaxManEd

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Feb 14, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/14/00
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Michael Brecker uses the Selmer metal ligature on his Guardala mouthpiece. He
can afford any ligature out there but he chooses the Selmer and his sound is
together.

Bud

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Feb 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/15/00
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Lincoln,
I beg to differ. I had the ED model with the ribs. Rib broke, and I sent
it back to Rovner for wty repair. They offered the ED without the ribs as
the new model/upgrade. which they called the ED II. Their web site is
currently being updated, and the pics are not correct.

However, in the spirit of things, I will fire off an email to them to find
out the answer. (call me obstinate, everyone else does) Let you know what
I find out.

Bud

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Lincoln

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Feb 15, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/15/00
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Well,

Maybe I have the EDII. Now, I"m not sure. It doesn't have the plastic
ribs. I would have thought the ribbed concept would be better, but I
guess it didn't work out.

In any case, I'm not much of a fan anymore of Rovner. I like the
selmer.

Lincoln

Bud

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Feb 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/16/00
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Now that I haven't tried. I agree, the ribs made sense, but when did that
matter. They broke pretty easy. Got a reply back from Rovner today, but it
was blank. Do you think they are trying to tell me something? : )

On a side bar, thanks to everyone in the NG. This is one of the few that I
have seen where it is (usually) civil, not obscene and helpful. It has
taken me nearly 2.5 years to begin to open my virtual mouth, but the wait
was worthwhile.


--

Bud
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Lincoln

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Feb 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/16/00
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>Now that I haven't tried. I agree, the ribs made sense, but when did that
>matter. They broke pretty easy. Got a reply back from Rovner today, but it
>was blank. Do you think they are trying to tell me something? : )
>
>On a side bar, thanks to everyone in the NG. This is one of the few that I
>have seen where it is (usually) civil, not obscene and helpful. It has
>taken me nearly 2.5 years to begin to open my virtual mouth, but the wait
>was worthwhile.
>
>
>--
>
>Bud
>sa...@hotmail.com


Come to think of it, you're right. SCREW YOU!!!!!!!!

Back on topic, I would imagine that they are just personalizing the
information in an e-mail that they have already listed on the web
site; which is NOTHING.

I have no clue whether it's a case of them actually improving the EDI
by switching to the EDII, or they just decided they had sold all the
EDI's that could sell so they made another one. Like all the golf
equipment companies. The Big Bertha, then the Great Big Bertha
Titanium, then the Great Biggest Bertha, Then (whoops) they discovered
that you need a smaller head, and made of steel. UH OH, now you need a
med size head with weighted inserts. They keep reinventing the market.

See if rovner comes up with an EDIII made of titanium.

I still advocate the Selmer. It's the best lig for the money.

Lincoln

B.B. Bean

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Feb 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/16/00
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:29:01 GMT, Lincoln wrote:

>Maybe I have the EDII. Now, I"m not sure. It doesn't have the plastic
>ribs. I would have thought the ribbed concept would be better, but I
>guess it didn't work out.

My girlfriend always told me ribs were over rated.

BB
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B.B. Bean - Have horn, will travel bbb...@beancotton.com
Peach Orchard, MO http://www.beancotton.com/bbbean.shtml

Richard Bush

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Feb 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/16/00
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So, BB,

Does that mean your girlfriend is fat?

B.B. Bean

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Feb 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/16/00
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Kansas City wouldn't know BBQ if it bit them. You have to get down to
my end of the state and into TN and Arkansas for serious ribs.

BB

On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:57:51 GMT, Lincoln wrote:

>
>B.B. aren't you sort of from Rib country? I've sampled Ribs all over
>the midwest, and I had some lulu's in Kansas City.

Scott Marlowe

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Feb 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/16/00
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"B.B. Bean" wrote:

> On Tue, 15 Feb 2000 19:29:01 GMT, Lincoln wrote:
>
> >Maybe I have the EDII. Now, I"m not sure. It doesn't have the plastic
> >ribs. I would have thought the ribbed concept would be better, but I
> >guess it didn't work out.
>

> My girlfriend always told me ribs were over rated.

Yes, most are far more interested in what you do with your mouth. ;^) Like saxophones...


Bud

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Feb 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/19/00
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I don't download for a couple of days, and this is where the thread goes!?

Did I mention not too obscene? ; )
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Ted Thompson

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Feb 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/21/00
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Ribs maybe, BB, but everybody knows serious BBQ is only found in North
Carolina. Even your own web site talks about N.C. BBQ. Admit it!!
"B.B. Bean" <bbb...@beancotton.com> wrote in message
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>
> Kansas City wouldn't know BBQ if it bit them. You have to get down to
> my end of the state and into TN and Arkansas for serious ribs.
>
> BB
>
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:57:51 GMT, Lincoln wrote:
>
> >
> >B.B. aren't you sort of from Rib country? I've sampled Ribs all over
> >the midwest, and I had some lulu's in Kansas City.
> >
> >>My girlfriend always told me ribs were over rated.
> >>

Paul Lindemeyer

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Feb 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/21/00
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Ted Thompson wrote:
>
> Ribs maybe, BB, but everybody knows serious BBQ is only found in North
> Carolina. Even your own web site talks about N.C. BBQ. Admit it!

> "B.B. Bean" <bbb...@beancotton.com> wrote...


> >
> > Kansas City wouldn't know BBQ if it bit them. You have to get down to
> > my end of the state and into TN and Arkansas for serious ribs.

You two are being smug, provincial, and chauvinistic -- in other words,
saxophonists to the core! ;-)

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Paul Lindemeyer <pau...@cyburban.com>

Mark Rybiski

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Feb 21, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/21/00
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I have had good results with the Consoli dark with the lig ramp reversed
with the wide part facing me on my RPC's.

Mark Rybiski soul...@webtv.net
Stay on the scene like a sax machine.


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