Steve Goodson is a thief
ssr...@bellsouth.net
I'm a new member here, strictly for the purpose of letting you know
what a sorry bast**d Steve Goodson is.
In 1998 I took my old band horn, a Selmer MKVII, to him to sell on
consignment. We agreed on a price for me and anything above that was
his commission. He gave me a receipt for it written in his own
handwriting. Not long after that I noticed it listed on his website
for sale along with all the other horns he was selling.
I kept a check on it over the years, probably checking his site every
month or two, and it was always there. (It wasn't hard to find since
he never had a bunch of MKVII's for sale). I figured it would take a
while to sell since the late production VII's weren't terribly popular
compared to other models, so I let it rock on for several years,
always checking on it on the site periodically.
Almost a year ago, I emailed Steve about getting it back since it
apparently had never sold. He didn't bother responding to the first
email. I waited a few days and re-emailed him and he finally
responded with a brief, but excuse-filled, dismissal. He claimed that
he had lost all his records in Katrina and that anything left with him
that long would be considered abandoned anyway. I responded that I
still had the original paperwork that he gave me so the "lost in
Katrina" probable lie was of no importance. I further asked what did
it matter how long he'd had it? He either still had it or he didn't.
If he still had it, it was *STILL* my property. If he did not still
have it he had apparently sold it, in which case he owed me my cut as
agreed upon.
I emailed him back offering to send him a copy of the paperwork via
snailmail or fax. I got no response. I emailed him again, again
offering to send it via email or fax, or even bring him a copy in
person since I was going to be in New Orleans in the near future.
Again, no response. I emailed him once or twice more, thinking maybe
I could convince him to do the right thing. Still no response.
I filed a consumer complaint with the Louisiana Attorney General's
consumer fraud division and they attempted to contact him and received
no response either, advising me that if I wished to pursue the matter
further I should hire an attorney.
I'm not a wealthy man and whatever I could possibly recover from the
deadbeat known as Steve Goodson would probably get eaten up in
attorney's fees since we're not talking about many thousands or tens
of thousands of dollars. As such, hiring an attorney probably would
end up costing me more than the horn is worth, which the piece-of-sh*t
Steve Goodson surely knows so he thinks he's sitting pretty.
Well, I'm here to let all of you know just what a piece-of-sh*t Steve
Goodson is. If any of the moderators or administrators of this site
would like me to, I can send you a copy of the original agreement I
had with SG via snailmail or fax. I don't have a scanner so I can't
post it here, and it's not necessarily the sort of thing that should
be posted for the general public anyhow. But, I will send a copy to
any of the people who run this site as proof that I'm not just making
this all up in some attempt to groundlessly smear SG's name.
Thank you,
SteveR
saxxs...@yahoo.com
If I understand you correctly, you have not personally contacted Steve
G. in the ten years he has had the sax to inquire about it? Did the
website listing the horn for sale all those years have the serial
number posted to verify that was indeed your sax?
I am not taking sides, I am asking some pertinant questions that any
attorney might ask. There are specific laws that deal with consigment
sales. I would do some legal research in the Louisiana State Lawbooks.
Should be able to search on the net. Then you can proceed from there.
Do you live in Louisiana?
BTW, JBT is just giddy with joy. Happy new year, JBT.
For full disclosure, I have never sent a horn to be repaired or sold
to Steve G, but I have bought 8 horns from him or his distributer. Had
one problem with the finish on one horn and it was promptly replaced
with a brand new one. The horns I have, a Steve Goodson Alto, A
Saxgourmet Alto, A Saxgourmet Tenor and a Steve Goodson Bari are the
best I have ever played. I even bought a Vespro tenor as a practice ,
backup horn that I am very impressed with.
saxxs...@yahoo.com
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Chuck-
> I know you may well take my leaping on to the "Goodson has issues"
> bandwagon hard. It's not something I do lightly. Your questions on
> this latest instance are good ones and this instance as a stand alone
> wouldn't sway me. But taken as a whole I just can no longer stay on
> the fence; I firmly believe that he's a colorful, talented,
> experienced, ambitious, well spoken, charlatan... but regrettably the
> last characteristic outweighs all the former qualities.
>
> I too have had several Goodson products. Two tenors,, two altos, a
> baritone, and a host of accesories. All had interesting features and
> the baritone was a nicely made and playing horn. The necks were the
> worst kind of generic crap.
>
> There are satisfied customers out there; "You can fool .....".
>
> Again- sorry to desert you- I've always tried to maintain an
> objective position. My objective assessment now, based upon the
> preponderance of what I've seen is that the guy is just out there.
>
> Enjoy your horns- interesting designs and they may well play just
> great for you -sloppy QC means that some will be dogs and some may be
> great- and I'm happy they do. Reasonable men can disagree and we
> happen to in this case-
> Henry- Hide quoted text -
>
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I respect your opinion Henry and you have every right to it.
Reasonalbe men can disagree. The jury is still out on this one for
me.
As I stated on another forum if I was SG I would make it right if I
knew for sure that this has not been taken care of even if I knew I
legally didn't have too. If I thought this matter had been previously
resolved and couldn't find evidence of such I would hide behind the
cloak of law and not give in. I don't know which is true. I know the
OP has posted this exact diatribe on two other forums that steve g
cannot respond to and that he stated he has lurked on them for a long
time and knew all about Steve G. I am very surprised that knowing that
he still did not contact him until 2008, TEN YEARS AFTER HE LEFT THE
HORN FOR SALE.
Believe it or not, there are a lot of scammers out there who would do
anything for a buck.
saxxs...@yahoo.com
> On Feb 4, 2:52 pm, saxxsym...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Believe it or not, there are a lot of scammers out there who would do
> > anything for a buck.
>
>
> At least the net nanny from SOTW can't lock this thread and end the
> discussion. Woo hoo. If threads like this one keep one person from
> being cheated by this individual then it is worthwhile. Those people
> who are tired of reading about this topic need to realize that there
> are new people coming to these saxophone forums all the time who can
> benefit from the experience of others.
Happy New Year John, Enjoy.
Toby
<saxxs...@yahoo.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
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-I respect your opinion Henry and you have every right to it.
-Reasonalbe men can disagree. The jury is still out on this one for
-me.
-As I stated on another forum if I was SG I would make it right if I
-knew for sure that this has not been taken care of even if I knew I
-legally didn't have too. If I thought this matter had been previously
-resolved and couldn't find evidence of such I would hide behind the
-cloak of law and not give in. I don't know which is true. I know the
-OP has posted this exact diatribe on two other forums that steve g
-cannot respond to and that he stated he has lurked on them for a long
-time and knew all about Steve G. I am very surprised that knowing that
-he still did not contact him until 2008, TEN YEARS AFTER HE LEFT THE
-HORN FOR SALE.
The OP claims to have the original receipts, which would constitute pretty
good evidence, it seems to me.
This thing about a ten-year period doesn't wash with me. A horn on
consignment is on consignment, no matter what the time period. I'm no
attorney, but it seems to me that only if the consignee tries to actively
contact the owner and receives no answer after a certain period of time
(which I suppose to be spelled out somewhere in the law), could the property
be considered abandoned.
The sad thing, as the OP points out, is that to pursue a claim would almost
certainly cost much more than the sale of the horn would recoup. Sometimes
life is truly not fair...
Toby
Toby
Stephen Howard
<snip>
>The OP claims to have the original receipts, which would constitute pretty
>good evidence, it seems to me.
>
>This thing about a ten-year period doesn't wash with me. A horn on
>consignment is on consignment, no matter what the time period. I'm no
>attorney, but it seems to me that only if the consignee tries to actively
>contact the owner and receives no answer after a certain period of time
>(which I suppose to be spelled out somewhere in the law), could the property
>be considered abandoned.
>
Seems reasonable to me.
If a horn is taken in for repair and subsequently left for a number of
years then there's a case for the repairer selling the instrument to
recoup any costs ( such as the cost of the job, storage, insurance
etc. ) - but a horn accepted on the basis of a commission sale is a
very different matter.
I'd agree that ten years is an extraordinarily long time to leave a
horn in limbo, but unless the owner requests its return the onus falls
on the seller to keep the horn safe or endeavour to contact the owner
with a view to returning it and closing the contract.
For as long as seller makes no credible attempt to return the horn the
assumption must be that the seller is content to maintain the
contract.
If the latter had been tried, and failed, I would expect to see
details of what steps were taken to contact the owner - and I would
expect them to be pretty comprehensive.
The occurrence of a natural disaster in the meantime is unfortunate,
but as it hasn't resulted in the cessation of the seller's business I
don't see how the contract can be dismissed.
Regards,
--
Stephen Howard
Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
saxxs...@yahoo.com
Does anybody know the OP? Has his story been verified by anyone yet?
Is it possible that Steve has already paid this guy but lost receipt
during Katrina ? Still no explaination as to why he waited ten years ,
if he did ,especailly since he stated on another forum that he's has
lurked these forums for a long time and knew all about Steve's antics.
Why would he not panic after Katrina and hearing of the other lost
saxophone incident did he not contact Steve and send certified
letters, etc?
The whole thing doesn't pass the smell test for me. I think there is
more ( or less ) to the story than we are led to believe. It is easy
to jump in and crucify Steve becuase it is fun to pick on people and
it sounds like something he might do. We should tread more lightly
here until we know all the facts.
This could easily be an extortion attempt.................... just
saying.
I would like to see and hear more proof before I jump on the bandwagon.
SteveR
> knew for sure that this has not been taken care of even if I knew I
> legally didn't have too. If I thought this matter had been previously
> resolved and couldn't find evidence of such I would hide behind the
> cloak of law and not give in. I don't know which is true. I know the
> OP has posted this exact diatribe on two other forums that steve g
> cannot respond to and that he stated he has lurked on them for a long
> time and knew all about Steve G. I am very surprised that knowing that
> he still did not contact him until 2008, TEN YEARS AFTER HE LEFT THE
> HORN FOR SALE.
>
> Believe it or not, there are a lot of scammers out there who would do
> anything for a buck.
I didn't know about Goodson's bad reputation until I didn't see my
horn listed for sale on his site anymore.
Back when he changed things around where he sells the horns through
another site/dealer/whatever, he used to show the used and consignment
horns on his original own site, saxgourmet. That's where my horn was
listed. It was AFTER he quit listing used and consignment stuff on
his site and started selling his new and refurbished horns of Nations
of Music that I noticed my horn was no longer listed.
This was around the time of Katrina (and I knew full well the impact
of that because I only live 2 hours north of N.O. and had my truck
totaled by a fallen tree during it) and was also around the time that
the site changeover was going on, so I didn't worry too much about it
thinking that they were still just working bugs out, getting all the
old stuff relisted to the new site, etc., or just swamped under with
personal storm recovery issues. And I do remember the site change-
over taking a long time.
And yes, there were extended periods of time when it wasn't forefront
in my mind - I'm not still a current player, I was just trying to sell
my old horn. He did still have a "used horns for sale" flyer type
announcement on his old site, to the effect of email or call and see
what we have without any listings posted. Anyhow, after about two
years post-Katrina and I still never saw my horn posted for sale that
was when I got worried.
I did try calling an old number that I had for him, but I got various
phone company recorded messages that strung me along for awhile like
"this line is temporarily out of service" or "your call did not go
through", until after a couple of months I finally got the "this line
has been disconnected or is no longer in service" repeatedly on
several tries over the course of a few weeks. So, by now it's early
last year and that's when I first contacted him via email, after
having done some research on the 'net and seeing what a shitty
reputation he has.
Yes, I'm fully aware that there may be some sort of law regarding
"abandoned property" reverting to the holder of it after some period
of time, but this was never abandoned property and there is *NOTHING*
on the paperwork he gave me about an expiration date for a consignment
contract or anything like that. And even if there is something in the
law that would let him keep my horn after a period of time, ONLY A
DISREPUTABLE, COWARDLY, THIEVING, NO-CLASS PIECE-OF-SHIT LIKE STEVE
GOODSON hides behind legal technicalities like that.
It's not like he called me even once and said, "Dude, I don't think
your horn's ever gonna sell. Come get it." I'm willing to bet
dollars to navy beans that the f***ing bum piece-of-shit sold it and
pocketed the money, knowing that Louisiana law is completely f***ed up
in favor of pieces-of-shit like himself.
SteveR
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An extortion attempt? Well, well, well..... Looks like we have a
Steve Goodson suck-up trying to muddy the waters.
Listen up, asshole: I posted this here under a real email address,
unlike your cowardly ass who hides behind some bullshit, invented
yahoo addy.
You email me your fax number or snail mail addy and I'll fax or mail
you a copy of the original paperwork. You can even come search my
house and see that I don't have the horn. And, if you're real nice
about it, after you don't find the horn I just might NOT stomp your
ass into a greasy spot for accusing me of being an extortionist.
SteveR
Does anyone hear actually know this jerk-off in real life?
I'm just wondering if "saxsymbol" is actually the piece-of-shit
Goodson himself.
????????
SteveR
hear, here......whatever
:^)
Stephen Howard
wrote:
<snip>
> It sort of fits in with the usual tenor of this forum though, regrettably enough.
Would that be a 'Con', by any chance?
Couldn't think of a brand that would wrap around 'rant'.
Regards,
--
Stephen Howard
Woodwind repairs & period restorations
Stephen Howard
<snip>
>I would like to see and hear more proof before I jump on the bandwagon.
The OP kindly offered to send copies of the relevant documents to
interested parties. I'm bettting that's probably a good place to
start.
Regards,
--
Stephen Howard
Woodwind repairs & period restorations
Joe Blow
>
> > It sort of fits in with the usual tenor of this forum though, regrettably enough.
>
> Would that be a 'Con', by any chance?
>
Profanity, blasphemy, total loss of personal composure accompanied by
hysteric vitriolic slander, outright lies and calumnies I can put up
with. But puns like that.......? Below the line behaviour.
Stephen Howard
wrote:
>On Feb 5, 2:35 pm, Stephen Howard <seesig...@email.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > It sort of fits in with the usual tenor of this forum though, regrettably enough.
>>
>> Would that be a 'Con', by any chance?
>Profanity, blasphemy, total loss of personal composure accompanied by
>hysteric vitriolic slander, outright lies and calumnies I can put up
>with. But puns like that.......? Below the line behaviour.
Would that be ( cough ) low behaviour?
Aye thang yew...
--
Stephen Howard
I suspect your post was intended for the OP Steve, but as none of his
posts were quoted in your reply and mine were, I will say this much:
I know neither Saxxsymbol ( SS ), the Original Poster or SG
personally - but I do know that SS's desire to see more documentation
is a reasonable one.
I draw no conclusions on the evidence that's been posted and confined
my comments to the ins-and-outs of the law as I understand it - whilst
at the same time remaining aware of both how easy it is for anyone to
post whatever they like here without recourse to evidence, and
previous posts from other apparently disgruntled SG clients.
As with most discussions in this forum that relate to various
misdeeds, I have my own evidence - but will only share it if and when
the people who provided me with it wish to discuss their experiences
here.
Regards,
>Steve, don't waste your time on Saxxsymbol aka Chuck White owner of
>Cue Time Billiards in Sebring Florida. He is like the little boy
>shoveling through the pile of manure that represents the evidence of
>Goodson's dishonesty for the past twelve years saying "there must be
>an honest person in here somewhere".
>
>I am personally acquainted with Andy Warr who lost a tenor sax and
>hundreds of dollars to Goodson in a manner similar to your experience,
>and Chuck in his childlike adoration of everything having to do with
>Goodson doesn't believe that story either. Joe Blow called him a
>"reasonable man". In order to be deemed reasonable, a person must
>first have the capacity to listen to reason---an attribute that Chuck
>unfortunately has yet to develop.
>
>Thank you for posting your experience on this and other websites. If
>it prevents just one other person from being cheated or scammed by
>Goodson, then it is well worth the effort.
>
>John
SteveR
>
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Stephen,
If I can find a scanner to scan my paperwork from Goodson into my hard
drive, I'll email you a copy of it.
Thanks,
SteveR
Stephen Howard
wrote:
<snip>
>Stephen,
>
>If I can find a scanner to scan my paperwork from Goodson into my hard
>drive, I'll email you a copy of it.
>
>Thanks,
>
Got or know anyone with a digital camera? It's usually a great deal
easier just to take a piccy - even a modest camera will produce an
image large enough to allow you to read the text on a document.
Regards,
saxxs...@yahoo.com
I GO TO WORK FOR A FEW HOURS AND SOMEONE WANTS TO BEAT ME UP AND
SOMEONE WANTS TO GIVE MY PERSONAL INFO.
Let's see if I have your address rigth John , in case any body wants
to know.Still work at Summerhays music in Salt Lake City, Utah
Last four digits of your phone 9681, shall I go on? Shall I post your
home address too?
I don't take threats well at all, I tend to confront them head on. If
Steve, the original poster, would like to discuss his ideas of fun
further, by all means, drop by and say hi and we can discuss it.
saxxs...@yahoo.com
Thank you Henry, for the kind words and your calming influence.
Stephen Howard
>On Feb 6, 12:15 am, Stephen Howard <seesig...@email.uk> wrote:
>> On Thu, 5 Feb 2009 20:59:01 -0800 (PST), SteveR <ssr...@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>>Stephen,
>>
>> >If I can find a scanner to scan my paperwork from Goodson into my hard
>> >drive, I'll email you a copy of it.
>>
>>
>> Got or know anyone with a digital camera? It's usually a great deal
>> easier just to take a piccy - even a modest camera will produce an
>> image large enough to allow you to read the text on a document.
>>
>
>I GO TO WORK FOR A FEW HOURS AND SOMEONE WANTS TO BEAT ME UP AND
>SOMEONE WANTS TO GIVE MY PERSONAL INFO.
>
>Let's see if I have your address rigth John , in case any body wants
>to know.Still work at Summerhays music in Salt Lake City, Utah
>Last four digits of your phone 9681, shall I go on? Shall I post your
>home address too?
>
>I don't take threats well at all, I tend to confront them head on. If
>Steve, the original poster, would like to discuss his ideas of fun
>further, by all means, drop by and say hi and we can discuss it.
Nothing in my posts that even imply as much - so I really don't know
why you referenced my post in yours.
Given that there seems to be a number of 'Steves' in this thread it
could all get a bit confusing!
Regards,
--
Stephen Howard
Woodwind repairs & period restorations
Stephen Howard
wrote:
>
>
>Man- it’s like an old Leone flick in print; “The Good, the Bad, and
>the Ugly.” No place for a sax in that score though……
>
>It sure would be nice if Steve the Aggrieved could actually send an
>image of some confirming paperwork off to Stephen the Rapidly Becoming
>Potentially Aggrieved through the sloppy quoting mechanism endemic to
>this BB’s quote system so that the latter could, as a neutral party in
>good standing with all (except Buffet S1 tenor fans), weigh in on the
>evidence; probably to the overwhelming majority’s satisfaction.
Don't forget the Keilwerth fans...
Regards ( amigo ),
saxxs...@yahoo.com
>
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Stephen Howard I wasn't refering to you, the OP name is Steve also. I
repect your opinion always. The OP is the one who threatened me.
saxxs...@yahoo.com
> Suggesting that Steve R may be trying to extort money from Steve
> Goodson by posting about his experience on discussion forums given
> Goodson's history in the music business was over the top even for you
> Chuck. Steve R has every right to be offended by your asinine
> comments. Your continuing denial of Goodson's sordid business history
> actually is quite entertaining. Your knee jerk defense of attacking
> anyone and everyone who writes anything negative about him is
> infallible.
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Stephen Howard I wasn't refering to you, the OP name is Steve also. I
>
> - Show quoted text -
Happy new year John. Christmas is real early for you this year.
SteveR
"I don't take threats well at all, I tend to confront them head on.
If
Steve, the original poster, would like to discuss his ideas of fun
further, by all means, drop by and say hi and we can discuss it."
Nice little chickenshit tapdance there, 'symbol.
You conveniently leave out the part about you suggesting that I'm an
extortionist. Well, I don't take baseless accusations well either.
And you want to whine when someone calls you out for being a prick?
Please.....
You're like the whiny little shit that everyone knew in school who
liked to go around slapping someone in the back of the head, and then
when the other person finally has enough of it and turns around and
punches you in the nose, you go running to the teacher like he hit you
for no reason.
SteveR
"Got or know anyone with a digital camera? It's usually a great deal
easier just to take a piccy - even a modest camera will produce an
image large enough to allow you to read the text on a document."
I'll try that, Stephen. My phone has a camera, but I'm not sure of
the quality.
:^)
saxxs...@yahoo.com
I said it may be an extortion attempt as we dont know you or your
history. Your story is far fetched to me. You can cuss all you want.
You don't scare me nor would I run to the teacher, or the cops. I am
trained to deal with folks like you. I have always stood up to
bullies, I was never one myself.
My invitation stands if you would like to discuss this in person. I
think you said you may just stomp me into a grease spot. I would like
to discuss that with you in person and see if you still feel that way.
And if so, you would certainly have a chance to express that feeling.
We could talk about your feelings in a open field or a boxing ring,
whatever you prefer. I am not violent by nature, but I can deal with
it just fine.
If Steve G. ripped you off I am truly sorry about it. As far as
respecting you or your opinions, I have to pass on that. I am sure
that feeling is mutual.
Do you always react with such anger when folks question you or your
motives. I think my questions were legitimate, and the same ones any
attorney would ask.
sdm_sax
> If a horn is taken in for repair and subsequently left for a number of
> years then there's a case for the repairer selling the instrument to
> recoup any costs ( such as the cost of the job, storage, insurance
> etc. ) - but a horn accepted on the basis of a commission sale is a
> very different matter.
Here in the UK the period after which you can claim an abandoned
instrument is 6 months but you can't do so without first contacting
the owner. IIRC you should write to the twice before doing anything
else.
>
> I'd agree that ten years is an extraordinarily long time to leave a
> horn in limbo, but unless the owner requests its return the onus falls
> on the seller to keep the horn safe or endeavour to contact the owner
> with a view to returning it and closing the contract.
> For as long as seller makes no credible attempt to return the horn the
> assumption must be that the seller is content to maintain the
> contract.
I don't know about US law but ten years is a hell of a long time to
leave an instrument with someone. If it hadn't been sold after a year
the owner should have got it back and tried elsewhere. It's hard to
believe a decent horn was kept for that long. Was the price too high?
regardless, if the agreement was to sell the sax on commission then
that is the agreement. You can't turn round and make a new arrangement
without consulting the owner - surely?
kcpel...@gmail.com
Do you miss the net nanny now?
Joe Blow
> On Feb 6, 5:35 pm, Joe Blow <ima...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 6, 6:26 pm, kcpellet...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > Posting eachother's personal info = Not cool
>
>
> > As Glinda would put it; "YOU HAVE NO POWER HERE! BEGONE, BEFORE
> > SOMEBODY DROPS A HOUSE ON YOU!"
>
> Well said Joe. Your post would have been simply elegant had you just
> posted those words and stopped---but then it wouldn't have been you,
> would it?
Nope.
>
> I understand there are some excellent 12 step programs out there for
> people with control issues.
> John
We can enroll together. I'll bring the doughnuts if you spring for
coffee.
saxxs...@yahoo.com
> Posting eachother's personal info = Not cool
>
> Do you miss the net nanny now?
I agree 100%. John has done this before to try and get my goat .I
didn't know any other way to stop him than to treat him in kind. He
has given out that info of himself freely in the past. I didn't reveal
anything he hasn't already, except the last four digits of his phone,
which would benefit no one, but let John know I know.
we have a little history, if you didn't know.
Joe Blow
> your goat ... is
> "used goods" by now anyway.
>
.
A man must be judged in large part, in the absence of first hand
evidence, on his enemies.
In this latest incident the only truly known thing is that JBT's drool
cup overfloweth......
Until some neutral third party verifies some aspect of the allegations
of the event, having JBT as an enemy raises Mr. Goodson's potential
standing noticeably.
Joe Blow
>
> Pseuo-intellectual:
>
> One who uses more words than necessary to tell more than he knows.
"Stupid"- one who hurls insults he can't spell........
saxxs...@yahoo.com
LOL.......
saxxs...@yahoo.com
LOL....It is shocking to me that John would so carelessly post a
misspelling. I could link to a least ten posts in different forums
where John has insulted folks who mispell. Maybe we just
"misunderestimate" him !
SteveR
Dear Suxsymbol,
If you don't want there to be any shit, don't *START* any shit.
All the best,
SteveR
kcpel...@gmail.com
> ... I noticed that Harri revived Steve R's
> post over there. Tres interessant, n'est ce-pas.
Très intéressant that you think so.
Anyway, I'm out of here. Have fun.
kcp
Joe Blow
> On Feb 7, 9:59 am, SteveR <ssr...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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> > On Feb 7, 10:34 am, saxxsym...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > > On Feb 7, 10:59 am, Joe Blow <ima...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Feb 7, 9:21 am, jbt...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > > > > Pseuo-intellectual:
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> > > > > One who uses more words than necessary to tell more than he knows.
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> > > > "Stupid"- one who hurls insults he can't spell........
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> PSEUDO-INTELLECTUAL
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> There. Does that make you happy?
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-If on the usage of "on" Webster; On, 7 a—used as a function word to
indicate reason, ground, or basis (as for an ....opinion...)
-If your meaning is that we are to judge you on the basis of your
enemies....... too numerous to poll.
saxxs...@yahoo.com
saxxs...@yahoo.com
> write instruction manuals?
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> Chuck, why don't you check Goodson's prostate while your nose is so
> far up there?
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John, John, John.................temper, temper,..........I think you
have missed too many days of your meds.
PLEASE CALL YOU DOCTOR RIGHT AWAY.
saxxs...@yahoo.com
> On Feb 7, 8:43 pm, jbt...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > On Feb 7, 6:56 pm, Joe Blow <ima...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > On Feb 7, 7:54 pm, jbt...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> > > > On Feb 7, 6:40 pm, Joe Blow <ima...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > > > > John, as he's stated himself, views the whole site as a game. If
> > > > > he can irritate you into incoherence; "HE WINS!!!!"
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> > > > > Blow by him and let him piss in the wind and most everone else
> > > > > wins. Almost everyone vice one? A no brainer.
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> > > > > Steve the Allegedly Aggreived probably was screwed over in some
> > > > > way, shape, or form. There may be a partial expalnation for it, if
> > > > > not an excuse, but we'll never know since Mr. Goodson has wisely
> > > > > decided to simply igonore the site. Why state your case when it'll
> > > > > certainly simply get a plethora of profanity laced diatribes heaped
> > > > > upon it?
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> > > > > While I took your point that Steve might have been cooked up by
> > > > > John or be a fraud or some such, and I noted that he immediately went
> > > > > ballistic- I figure you or I would also be touchy if we'd just been
> > > > > ripped off for a Selmer VII tenor- which is what happened if he
> > > > > actually is telling the truth. Quite frankly, unless he turns out to
> > > > > have a Utah address I'm believing the guy at this point.
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> > > > > In the next few days he'll either cough up satisfactory proof to
> > > > > Mr. Hawkins- a trustworthy neutral party- or won't. If so I
> > > > > personally will write Steve G off to the discard bin. You'll take
> > > > > your own path whatever that turns out to be.
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> > > > > Meantime- go blow a few bars and enjoy life. Let JBT froth on his
> > > > > own.
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> > > > > Henry
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> > > > Henry,
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> > > > If Kim Pelltier is the net nanny Henry, you are the net's "wet nurse".
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> > > > I see you have deleted more of your posts. Are you still trying make
> > > > up your mind? Charlie Brown might be a good choice for an avatar---
> > > > you know Mr. Wishy Washy.
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> > > > Just one question for Chuck---a simple one. Do you or do you not
> > > > believe that Steve Goodson is a dishonest man?- Hide quoted text -
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> > anecdotal evidence going back 12 years of Goodson's lies and dishonest
> > business dealings I view with disbelief you or Chuck or anyone else
> > giving him the benefit of the doubt. He has worked hard to earn the
> > reputation he has in the industry. The only person who can refute the
> > testimony of those persons who have been ripped off by him is Goodson
> > himself. His pattern is to either tell baldfaced lies or to remain
> > silent as he has in this case. You can bet he reads every word
> > written about him on these saxophone forums. He has every opportunity
> > to come here and tell his side of the story. I suspect he lacks the
> > courage to do so or maybe he has run out of lies to tell.
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> > If the question is to believe either Goodson or Steve R, I would
> > direct you tohttp://www.nationofmusic.com/tothe forum to read Steve
> > having conversations with himself since his false identities and their
> > avatars did not transfer to the new format. He posed as 42 people to
> > give the impression that the forum was popular and to shill his
> > products. Two of his sockpuppets Sam Chirella and Thomas Bowles both
> > wrote that they purchased a Vespro saxophone and discussed what a
> > great horn it is. That is fraud plain and simple.
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> > Remember these discussion forums are courts of public opinion and not
> > courts of law. Remember also that it is highly unlikely that anyone
> > would wake up in the morning and say "Today I'm going to go to the
> > internet and falsely accuse someone of ripping off my instrument". It
> > just doesn't work that way.
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> > This thread did not go down the toilet until Chuck began his asinine
> > interrogation of the OP. He wrote "I'm not taking sides here. . . "
> > and then immediately took Goodson's side as he always does. For Chuck
> > to admit Goodson's thievery and dishonesty to himself would mean that
> > he would also have to acknowledge that he has led the charge to
> > publicly support a man with these qualities over the past months. He
> > has built a box around himself whereby any stain on Goodson's
> > character is a smudge on his own as well by association. This is
> > unfortunate since it has put him in an untenable position and forced
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Preponderance of evidence you say............................. So more
customers of Steve's ( or nations of music) have been ripped off than
treated fairly?
Surely you jset. Would he be in business? I would suffice to say that
far fewer than 1/10 of 1% of his customers has had any problems that
were not taken care of fairly in their own eyes. If any business
exceeds that ratio they will not be in business very long. A
dissatisfied customer will tell many others. A happy one may not tell
anybody. If he is ripping people off why is he still working and
designing saxes.
John keeps equating my liking SG horns to my liking and defending
everything thing SG does. I don't know the man. He just likes to link
the two. I don't care about his lifestyle, or the beer he drinks, or
the god he does or doesn't worship. If he ripped of the OP I think
that is wrong. I have stated that in previous posts. I don't care who
did it. It would be wrong.
I am asking relevant questions because it is the right thing to do.
If a man is accused of rape and the story sounds good than any woman
who cries rape from this same man is to be believed without checking
out the story? That's insane.The police investigate even in cases of
confession.
I ask for evidence or if anybody even knows the guy. His story still
doesn't smell right. After ten years of not caring about a horn that
is not very valuable by his own admission, he is really upset now?
saxxs...@yahoo.com
> own bullshit. Even your friends on Saxquest are trying to point out
> to you that you are on the wrong track. The more you stand up for
> Goodson the more foolish you look Chuck. Look around. You are the
> only one in these discussion forums rationalizing and making excuses
> for what he does and what he represents. You are just like Bush in
> the fact that you can't admit when you have made a mistake.
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> Type Goodson in the SOTW search engine and go back to the beginning
> and read the history on the guy. Then go to alt music sax and type in
> hornsmasher. All of the rationalizing you come up with does not
> change the fact that he is an incredibly dishonest person and your
> financial support of him and his products help to enable him to
> continue what he is doing. Obviously it is more important for you to
> save face than to look at and accept the truth about Steve Goodson.
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Happy New Year to you too, John.
saxxs...@yahoo.com
> Somehow my one simple question got lost in the fray.
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> Do you or do you not believe Steve Goodson his an honest man?
Steve has always been honest and open with me and my dealings with
him. Nothing but professional, courteous service. I have referred
several customers to him and they reported the same thing. That is all
I can go by. His horns are the best I've played. Each time I tell you
this you seem to lose your mind.
Sorry if that is not the answer you had hoped for.
I imagine SG sells thousands of items each year. Probably does
hundreds of repairs, Defintetly is a type A personality that would not
always mesh with other individuals. He seems to have a temper much
like you, John. He does not suffer fools well at all. Of course,
neither do you. Ce' La Ve.
I am an honest man, and that has been my experience.
SteveR
> your logic the holocaust never really happened since the Nazis didn't
> do those things to you personally. C'est la vie? Vous êtes un
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All,
I will be sending the scan of my receipt to Stephen Howard early this
coming week - probably tomorrow. One of my coworkers at another part
of the plant has a printer that also scans documents. I tried taking
pics of the receipt, but the camera in my phone is a typical cell
phone cam; not very good.
I may even decide to post it here if that's possible.
It will be fun to see what suxsymbol does in light of documentary
evidence. I'm sure he'll cook up some sort of "oh that looks like a
fake to me" nonsense.
Later,
SteveR
SteveR
"His story still doesn't smell right. After ten years of not caring
about a horn that
is not very valuable by his own admission, he is really upset now?"
You have to be the most prevaricating person I've had the displeasure
to come across in many years.
Where do you get "after ten years of not caring about a
horn".....?????
I checked on it regularly on his website listing for used horns and it
was always there. Was there really any use in pestering the hell out
of someone who, as far as I knew AT THAT TIME, was an aboveboard
businessman?
And where do you get "not very valuable by his own
admission"......?????
What I actually said was that the late model Mark VII's weren't much
sought after compared to a lot of other stuff. How does that make it
"not very valuable"???? Hell, any Selmer sax out there that is in
playing condition and not in need of a lot of repairs is probably
worth a grand, minimum.
You twist people's words to the point that you're as a big a liar as
Steve Goodson himself.
When you get your tongue out of Steve Goodson's ass drop back by this
thread and let us read your latest lies, distortions, and half-truths.
SteveR
saxxs...@yahoo.com
> your logic the holocaust never really happened since the Nazis didn't
> do those things to you personally. C'est la vie? Vous êtes un
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Like I said John,.... you lose your mind !!!
You disrespect the jewish people and what happened to them by
comparing SG's antics to the horrors thrust upon the jewish people.
Millions were killed and tortured. They lived through unspeakable
horror in the concentratiion camps.THERE IS NO COMPARISON HERE.
Like I said... You lose you mind.
HOW MANY TIMES do you want it said?. If Steve G ripped off Steve R. he
was wrong.
You want to talk about dishonesty? Stones in the key pads change the
intonation of a horn , now there is a whopper for you.
SteveR
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Oh good God!
You have really gone around the bend, 'symbol.
John has not equated SG's behavior with what the Nazis did to the Jews
- no matter how many lies you tell to the contrary.
And quit changing MY thread title. I don't go around changing yours.
Quit messing with mine.
saxxs...@yahoo.com
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I did not change the title. I guess when I responded to John's post
( under that title) it changed itself.
SteveR
> I did not change the title. I guess when I responded to John's post
> ( under that title) it changed itself.
If you didn't change it I apologize for wrongly accusing you.
SteveR
SteveR
I just emailed the scan of the original agreement between Steve
Goodson (the piece of shit) and me for the consignment sale of my horn
to each of you who have posted to this thread - I think.
It's a .tif file. If you have any trouble with it, let me know and
I'll see if I can rescan it as a .jpg or .bmp. I use Windows XP and
it worked just fine.
SteveR
Stephen Howard
wrote:
I received the file this morning - it appears to be what the OP claims
it is...a ticket from SG acknowledging receipt of a Selmer MKVII
saxophone for sale on commission.
Regards,
--
Stephen Howard
Woodwind repairs & period restorations
www.shwoodwind.co.uk
sdm_sax
Except it doesn't have contact details or proper instrument serial
number or specify what the agreement was.
Stephen Howard
<ste...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>On 10 Feb, 09:26, Stephen Howard <seesig...@email.uk> wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 Feb 2009 16:18:04 -0800 (PST), SteveR <ssr...@bellsouth.net>
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>> >Alrighty, folks.......
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>> >I just emailed the scan of the original agreement between Steve
>> >Goodson (the piece of shit) and me for the consignment sale of my horn
>> >to each of you who have posted to this thread - I think.
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>> >It's a .tif file. If you have any trouble with it, let me know and
>> >I'll see if I can rescan it as a .jpg or .bmp. I use Windows XP and
>> >it worked just fine.
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>> I received the file this morning - it appears to be what the OP claims
>> it is...a ticket from SG acknowledging receipt of a Selmer MKVII
>> saxophone for sale on commission.
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>Except it doesn't have contact details or proper instrument serial
>number or specify what the agreement was.
Indeed - it looks a bit informal, and I don't quite understand why the
serial number isn't complete, but it does state "consignment" and give
a value.
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sdm,
It plainly says at the top of the page "consignment" and further down
the page it says "$1100 net".
Pretty plain except for one who wants to quibble intentionally.
SteveR
Apparently some of you had trouble receiving the .tif file that I
emailed you. It *WAS* rather huge.
I'm going to try to rescan it as a .jpg and resend it, hopefully as a
smaller file size also.
Thanks,
SteveR
sdm_sax
Again - it doesn't have contact details or proper instrument serial
sdm_sax
> took possession of a Saxophone from Steve R to sell on consignment.
It may count as a receipt, but it's not the contract or agreement that
was stated. There's nothing to say whether the instrument would be
returned after a period if not sold. Having no contact details on the
form or a proper serial number is really poor. Using what appears to
be the wrong form is poor too. It shouldn't have been accepted. It's
probably far too late to do anything about it now. IIRC I think you
have seven years in this country to take legal action.
Stephen Howard
<ste...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>On 12 Feb, 14:45, jbt...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Feb 12, 7:28 am, sdm_sax <stev...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
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>> > > It plainly says at the top of the page "consignment" and further down
>> > > the page it says "$1100 net".
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>> > > Pretty plain except for one who wants to quibble intentionally.
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>> > Again - it doesn't have contact details or proper instrument serial
>> > number or specify what the agreement was.
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>> In any event it is more than sufficient to prove that Steve Goodson
>> took possession of a Saxophone from Steve R to sell on consignment.
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>It may count as a receipt, but it's not the contract or agreement that
>was stated.
There seems to be some consensus, at least, that it's a receipt then -
acknowledging that SG has a horn of somewhat vague identity that's
worth the sum stated.
> There's nothing to say whether the instrument would be
>returned after a period if not sold.
By the same token there's nothing to say that it wouldn't, nor is
there any suggestion of a time-scale in relation to anything other
than a repair job.
> Having no contact details on the
>form or a proper serial number is really poor. Using what appears to
>be the wrong form is poor too. It shouldn't have been accepted. It's
>probably far too late to do anything about it now. IIRC I think you
>have seven years in this country to take legal action.
I agree, it's a poor document - but then I've written out even less
well-drafted receipts that I've nonetheless honoured. That's not to
say that I don't keep far more detailed records on my system ( I ain't
that daft! ).
There's a squiggle by Address that appears to read 'On file' - but I
think it's safe to assume that the owner's details would have been
stored somewhere.
I would think that if a company lost the contact details of a client
who was under no stated obligation to contact them, the onus falls
upon the company to retain the client's property until such times as
they get in touch. There may well be a legal 'reasonable period', but
that would be something to be discussed with a lawyer.
I still don't understand why the serial number should be incomplete.
It's common practice when advertising horns to truncate serial numbers
( to prevent people dishonestly claiming it's their horn ), but on any
kind of business document relating to the trade it's practically the
one thing that pins the document to a specific instrument.
saxxs...@yahoo.com
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:13:37 -0800 (PST), sdm_sax
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No serial number is very interesting isn't it. Could it be that S.G.
was fencing this horn for Steve R. and the deal went sour?
saxxs...@yahoo.com
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I am just speculating. It is a plausable theory. It is very unusual
not to write down the full serial number on a receipt. Why would he
only write 3 numbers?
We still have heard only one side to this whole deal.
NONE OF US KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, INCLUDING ME.
So now you advocate violence? So it is ok to attack physically or
verbally anyone who disagrees with you or your beliefs? We don't know
if these guys had a beef with each other. We don't know anything but
one side.
In my experience 99% of folks will not admit any mitigating factors
for their adversary when telling their story in a dispute. ie: "I
don't know why Chuck hit me. I never said anything to him. He hit me
just out of the blue." While he fails to disclose that he had
threatened to beat Chuck into a greasespot when he saw him. That kind
of thing.
WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. John, as much as you hate it, SG
doesn't have to answer to you just as the owners of Cannonball don't
have to answer to me or anybody else about their claims regarding
stones and such.
It is good that you have some mission in life. Most folks pick a
more positive one though.
Either way, I will continue to play my SG horns just like players do
with their Guardala mouthpieces.
saxxs...@yahoo.com
> more foolish and immature Chuck. Why don't you send your friend Steve
> an email and invite him to tell his side of the story at altsax if you
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Why don't you.............................
saxxs...@yahoo.com
> ATTENTION SAXSYMBOL,
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> First you accuse me of being an extortionist and now you accuse me of
> being in cahoots with Steve Goodson claiming I was trying to sell a
> stolen sax.
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> MARK MY WORDS, YOU DETESTABLE LITTLE CUNT, IF I EVER COME ACROSS YOU
> IN REAL LIFE I *WILL* STOMP YOU INTO *LESS THAN* A GREASY SPOT!!!!
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> YOU HAVE TO BE JUST ABOUT THE MOST WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT I HAVE EVER
> ENCOUNTERED IN MY EXPERIENCES ON THE 'NET.
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> FUCK YOU, FUCK EVERYONE IN YOUR FAMILY, FUCK YOUR WORTHLESS WHORE OF A
> MOTHER IN THE DISEASED SEWER OF A CUNT SHE SHIT YOU OUT OF!!!!
I look forward to meeting you too Steve....................
saxxs...@yahoo.com
Steve, I haven't accused you of anything. I am asking questions here.
You have an anger management problem. If you can't take someone
questioning you or your motives in a public forum then you shouldn't
be here.
If your business communications with SG or anyone else were like this,
I am sure you were treated fairly. If you came into my business and
ranted and cussed over something we did wrong, you would be thrown out
and would not get the rememdy you desire.
The customer is always right until he/she gets personal or offensive,
then the customer is no longer wanted. When someone owns their own
business they don't have to answer to anyone else and can legally
refuse to do business with anyone.
Do you have a history of violence ? Have you beat down many folks who
didn't agree with you or dared to ask a question ?
You have threatened me, insulted me and my family over questions about
your story. I am only asking the same things that many folks are
thinking, but may be afraid to ask or simply don't care about the
answer but nonetheless, think about asking the same things.
Seriously, you shouldn't threaten or personally attack people you
don't know.