Mp3 debate
Jungle Jim
wondering whether SG have a view on this, in other words, are they leaning
towards Metalica (anti) or David Bowie (pro).
What I feel about Napster is that it helps us lot to access all the music in
the world which is not a bad thing for us. I feel Metalica and other
anti-napster people are going too far because the way I see it, taking
Napster to court in order to close the site down is like closing a post
office because it allows people to send copied tapes or campaigning against
having a record button on your Hi fi system.
If you ask me, Mp3 will not kill sales because there are people like me who
prefer to put my Hi fi on instead of my computer to listen to music,
don't have the time & patients to download a full album,
not willing to buy an Mp3 player or a CD writer.
This may sound a bit arse licking but there's something about spending your
hard earned cash on a CD you've been after, having the original artwork and
putting it alongside your other CDs.
Mp3s are great for getting songs which are hard to find or if they are no
longer available. The other day, I downloaded Chesney Hawkes "The one &
only" which was released in 1990 (correct me if I'm wrong Stu). A 1 hit
wonder from 10 years ago like this not easily available.
Final point, Napster can work in favour for the record companies. For
example, someone recommended Ronan Keating because their is a song which
was co-written by Bryan Adams (you must know how much of a fan I am).
Therefore I downloaded a song called "the way you make me feel" which I now
considering buying his album.
Thank you for your time.
laYter
Ali
Kyall Glennie
I am AGAINST Napster. I say that, being a user of Napster, and having
downloaded hundreds upon hundreds of MP3's.
WHY would I be against something that I use so frequently?
Because Napster is going to make money.
I don't have the effort to expand on that, for I have to grossly detail a
dream I had in another message and I don't have the energy in me to expand
in grave detail twice. So, I'll just say I think it's wrong for Napster to
make money off something that they shouldn't. They can and will make
revenues from ads now that they integrated their home page into their
program; that's not fair to the artists which we are stealing from (Napster
should pay them!!!)
kyall
Ross D.
>
> They can and will make
> revenues from ads now that they integrated their home page into their
> program; that's not fair to the artists which we are stealing from
Um... maybe I'm out of it... but where are their advertisements in the
Napster program itself? I've been using it since Beta 3, and I'm on Beta
7 now, and I've never come across any sort of advertisement. Actually,
at that, I've never seen an advertisement on Napster's website either.
-Ross
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Julie Robert
find rare songs. I often download live tracks which, of course, have never
been released. So I don't use Napster to avoid paying for music (well, not
always) , I use it to listen to what Virgin and Amazon don't sell.
The problem is that record companies don't think about the people who love
music, they only want to make money, so releasing a live CD for every artist
every time they go on tour would be too expensive. If the songs I download
existed on a CD, I wouldn't mind buying it.
But I also download two or three songs from the same album to see if it's
worth buying it. And if I happen to download songs only because I don't want
to spend money, it's because of the price. I don't know how much you pay for
a CD in Australia, UK, USA, Italy...but I find the prices in France too
high. For an album, we have to pay about 140 francs ($20).
Julie
Pat Wong
between all the artists and record labels is to have music available for
download for a "reasonable" fee. That would surely remove the need for
legal, moral and philosophical discussions on Napster or any other such
site.
I've seen websites where you could customize your own CD. There was limited
song selection, to be sure, but US$4.00 per song is ridiculous! (As a point
of reference, that's about £2.67 or Au$6.87) I'm sure there are people out
there who won't visit a site such as Napster because they feel it's stealing
songs (and let's be honest, it is), but they'd be willing to pay for the
music at a reasonable price. It's time the music industry heeded the wake up
call.
Kyall Glennie wrote in message ...
>Here's my take, as if anyone cares.
>
>I am AGAINST Napster. I say that, being a user of Napster, and having
>downloaded hundreds upon hundreds of MP3's.
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Tara
In the end what the RIAA is doing is much worse for them. If they
hadn't sued Napster, they would only have to deal with one major file
sharing program. Instead, they've done two major things. First, think
of all the free publicity that Napster has gotten from this lawsuit.
Second, they've made people aware of all of the other programs too.
Scour Exchange, iMesh, Napigator, Gnutella, AudioGnome, and many
others. So instead of leaving one major program the record companies
have inadvertently helped publicize all of the other programs.
Someone else was talking about the high cost of CDs. 27 US states have
now filed lawsuits against many record companies and retailers for what
amounts to price fixing. "The lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court in
New York, alleges that traditional retailers pressured the record
companies to set advertising prices after a brought by discount
retailers dropped the average price of CDs from $15 to $10."
http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,38103,00.html
The other thing is as some guy on CNN said: The genie is out of the
bottle and the bottle is smash all over the floor, and super glue isn't
going to put it together. Napster was able to be sued because it had a
central server, Gnutella (for example) has no central server. This
means that the only way to shut it down is to sue all of the millions of
users. And from there the problem gets international, but I'm not going
there! :-)
I'm different than most users, Napster hates me! :-) I've never gotten
it to work on my computer, have no idea why it just doesn't. iMesh
however is the only program that work for me. So I use that, or friend
send me files through ICQ.
(I didn't mean for this message to be this long!!!)
Back to lurking!
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Stupy
I could write all day about the mp3/Napster debate. I actually did a little
presentation at university on it the other day.
Record companies are scared of Napster because the Internet provides a
chance for artists to communicate directly with the customers. THis makes
money mad record companies redundant. Really, they are running scared.
Yes, attacking Napster is like trying to stop post offices because copies
are sent through them. Or taking legal action against a gun manufacturer
because someone uses a gun to kill someone.
I will mention that I use Napster a heck of a lot, it's great stuff. So what
do I use it for? New music, mainly. Radio sucks, pure and simple. Local
radio stations may add 3 or 4 new songs a week, which is absolutely
pathetic. With those sort of rates of new music, it's surprising that our
charts move at all. So I get on Napster and source out alternative music,
music finding its way into the UK and US charts, etc. I picked up Space's
"Diary Of A Wimp" that flopped in the UK and probably won't even make it
here. Mp3's form my radio, really. I have never downloaded a commerically
available album in mp3. I buy a lot of CD's, the only change here is that I
use mp3's instead of the radio and get exposed to a lot more music. I've
also picked up many older CD's as a result of what I've got off Napster.
Unfortunately, not everyone uses Napster this way. I know many people who
use it to download mp3's and then they NEVER buy ANY CD's - this annoys me.
It's people like this who make the rest of us Napster users look bad.
The Offspring are incredibly pro-Napster... they are now even selling "Save
Napster" shirts on their website, proceeds going to charity.
Here's some things I wrote in that presentation about the whole thing:
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On the pro-Napster side, Napster provides an excellent service for rare
recordings and unsigned artists. An Internet research firm Jupiter's
Communications found that Napster users actually buy more music, which goes
directly against the thought that online music deprives the industry of due
money (Hansen, 20 July 2000). Napster also provides a basis for people to
sample music that they may or may not have heard otherwise...
In the anti-Napster argument, numerous statistics such as piracy being a
US$4.5 billion business in 1998 point towards piracy being a massive problem
for the recording industry. Some musical artists are also scared of Napster
and are publicly against it...
Confusing matters more are people like Courtney Love from the rock band
Hole, who claim that the record industry itself is the real problem for
artists (Love, 14 June 2000). Many other artists keenly watch Internet
developments and some already use the Internet for music distribution
(Mitchel, Aug. 1999, pp. 68-84), completely avoiding the record companies.
... The serious lack of any sort of precedent and the underlying complexity
of the issue is creating a very interesting situation...
If the RIAA is successful, it has to be wondered what the next target will
be. Internet Service Providers (ISP's) with MP3's on their sites? MP3 making
software? Because it would no longer be important that the software is being
used for legitimate purposes, it would be more relevant if can be used
illegally.
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Stuart
Jungle Jim wrote in message <39959...@news2.vip.uk.com>...
Stupy
:)
CD's are expensive here too - Australia - $23.23 to $30.00 for new releases.
Stuart
Julie Robert wrote in message <8n5n1f$9bm$1...@wanadoo.fr>...
Crys Pitre
go to http://www.romp.com
LOL!
FUnny Napster thingy,
Jungle Jim wrote:
> With all what's going on about Mp3's and the Napster controversy, I was
> wondering whether SG have a view on this, in other words, are they leaning
> towards Metalica (anti) or David Bowie (pro).
>
> What I feel about Napster is that it helps us lot to access all the music in
> the world which is not a bad thing for us. I feel Metalica and other
> anti-napster people are going too far because the way I see it, taking
> Napster to court in order to close the site down is like closing a post
> office because it allows people to send copied tapes or campaigning against
> having a record button on your Hi fi system.
>
Kelly Campion
"Julie Robert" <julie.m...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
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> I totally agree with you. Napster is very useful for music fans who want
to
> find rare songs. I often download live tracks
That's exactly what I use napster for. Most of my mp3's are rare or live
songs. I have about 50 U2 mp3's and 80 Crowded House/Neil Finn mp3's. And
I think any of them are from an officially released album. But I pretty
much own all of these artists albums anyway. Sometimes I download an mp3 of
a song I have on CD anyway, just for the convenience. But I would never
download a whole album, it's just not right. I have got into a lot of bands
by sampling songs off napster, some bands that I only knew a couple of
songs, and I wanted to check out a couple more before I paid $30 for an
album - Travis, Radiohead, Pearl Jam.
But I pretty much only use mp3's for rare and live music. But I know that a
lot of people use mp3's because then they don't have to buy music anymore
> been released. So I don't use Napster to avoid paying for music (well, not
> always) , I use it to listen to what Virgin and Amazon don't sell.
> The problem is that record companies don't think about the people who love
> music, they only want to make money, so releasing a live CD for every
artist
> every time they go on tour would be too expensive. If the songs I download
Pearl Jam are actually releasing live albums of all their European shows
this year to try and stop the bootleggers making money. But I don't think
that every artist could afford to do this. Pearl Jam will sell a lot of
albums this way, even if it is just over the internet, because the Pearl Jam
trading community is pretty large, so a lot of people will want these live
albums
Anyway, just my thoughts
Kelly
Pat Wong
the time to find an ad from a back issue of Discoveries magazine (that's a
magazine for CD and record collectors, if you're not familiar with it). This
company quotes prices on mass production of CD's. All prices are in US
dollars, as follows:
10 copies for $40
25 copies for $75
50 copies for $135
100 copies for $235
This is a very small investment, and any band can do it! If money is tight
for the band, they could have a small number of copies done initially and
turn around the profit from the sale of those to produce more copies if the
demand was high enough for them. I'm not sure what format the original copy
would need to be in from which the multiples copies could be made but hey, a
lot of people such as myself have capability of transferring any kind of
recording to CDR, so getting the master copy isn't that difficult either.
Marketing wouldn't be much of a problem IMO. The band could put up a website
and offer their CD's for sale on it. The internet is a powerful tool at any
band's disposal. They're crazy not to use it.
>Pearl Jam are actually releasing live albums of all their European shows
>this year to try and stop the bootleggers making money. But I don't think
>that every artist could afford to do this. Pearl Jam will sell a lot of
>albums this way, even if it is just over the internet, because the Pearl
Jam
>trading community is pretty large, so a lot of people will want these live
>albums
>
>Anyway, just my thoughts
>
>Kelly
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Stupy
OK OK OK
I shouldn't go on the net when I'm this tired
Stuart
PS. Telstra employee or what? :)
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EBeresky
napster have climed i think they said it was 9% over last years figures. If
they REALLY want to protect music, they would go after the people who supply
programs that rip mp3's to wavs and transfer them to cds. Napster is a big
music sharing club that has saved me ALOT of money not buying crappy albums!
eric ps anyone interested roxette will be performing sept 23rd in boston
Jungle Jim
record sales. I think Its more to do with the prices. As far as I'm aware,
chart single CD's have been retailing for £14.49 for the last 4 years as a
maximum retail price. Therefore, we pay a lower price in real terms when we
take inflation into account. Before, album prices used to rise by 50p every
year but it hasn't been the case recently.
laYter
Ali
PS: Eric, anything new to expect from our favourite import from Sweden soon?
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Ross D.
>
> Napster is a big
> music sharing club that has saved me ALOT of money not buying crappy albums!
Yeah same here. And at the sametime it's introduced me to alot of bands
I'd probably never hear a thing from otherwise, like the Solar Twins and
Art Of Noise(Their album The Seduction of Claude Debussy is awesome!).
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