Question behind the song "Possession."
Steph
of Sarah's songs. When possession came on my friend informed me about
a story she once heard about possession being influenced by an
obsessed fan? Any truth to this? Any evidence that sarah stated this
herself? Perhaps a website where the info is given? Would greatly
appreciate anyone who knows the whole story behind this. You can
e-mail me at Valle...@hotmail.com or in here. Thanks, Steph.
godcha
"Steph" <Valle...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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true. on the VH-1 storytellers clips she explains why she wrote Possession,
indeed for trying to understand some obsessed fans: "...a couple of letters
where stating that we should be together and that nothing was going to stand
between that happening. I wrote this song Possession, sort of...for me
trying to get into their shoes, trying to get into their head, trying to
understand where they coming from..."
you can get the videoclip(s) from Sarah's Depot.
laterrr
Michel
Judith Fitzgerald
> I was out driving with a friend last weekend and we were playing some
> of Sarah's songs. When possession came on my friend informed me about
> a story she once heard about possession being influenced by an
> obsessed fan? Any truth to this?
None whatsoever.
It was a tragic publicity stunt that cost a harmless letter-writer his life --
the question you need to ask is who murdered Uwe Vandrei (as others have
asked, and discovered, to their horror, he was, in fact, murdered):
<quote>
Urban legend has it Canadian computer-programmer Uwe Vandrei, pop-diva Sarah
McLachlan's so-called psycho stalker, turned into her worst nightmare when he
obsessively bombarded his goddess with hundreds of letters, tracked her every
move, had a restraining order on the books against him and, in December 1994,
literally died for love (or lack thereof) – blasting his head off – hidden in
the backwoods 90 kilometres from his home in Vanier (a suburb of Ottawa), ON.
It is commonly held the 34-year-old committed suicide because he had failed to
make contact with the object of his adoration despite his general menacement.
Not true. Firstly, Vandrei's death was officially ruled an "apparent suicide"
by "presumed carbon-monoxide poisoning"
[ http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/thecoronerssummary.html ] because
investigating officers could not conclusively determine whether a suicide or a
homicide had taken place. Secondly, although it is widely believed Vandrei
departed the planet because he had failed to make contact with McLachlan in
order to discuss his concerns with her, nothing could be further from the
truth.
Vandrei – who, incidentally, sent McLachlan no more than 35 letters and poems
over a three-year period and attended but a handful of her concerts including
the one where McLachlan bestowed "a little hug" upon him – never telephoned
McLachlan. He never followed her. He never stalked her. There was never a
restraining order issued against him. What there was, however, was the fact
that McLachlan, through her attorney, Vancouver's Andrew S. Atkins, had indeed
contacted Vandrei via his lawyer, Ottawa's Kenneth J. Bickley, on 14 September
1994, the day Vandrei was last seen alive.
Twelve days earlier, on 2 September 1994, Vandrei had commenced a legal action
against the woman of his dreams in which he cited "breach of confidence" and
claimed McLachlan had allegedly used his correspondence (copyrighted by him
once he affixed his signature to it) as both source and resource for several
songs [ http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/thelabel.html ] on Fumbling Towards
Ecstasy, most notably, "Possession" [
http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/possession.html ]." Additionally, it is a
fact of public record that the papers and documents regarding Vandrei's
Statement of Claim (File No. 85502/94 – Vandrei vs McLachlan) had been
personally served upon McLachlan following the show she gave at Montreal's St.
Denis 11 September 1994.
The following morning, 12 September 1994, in a last-ditch effort to attract
someone's assistance and to preserve a public record of his ordeal, Vandrei
posted a copy of his Claim with an explanatory background note to the
Fumbling-Towards-Ecstasy listserv, a subscription-based Internet discussion
group. Two days later, 14 September 1994, after months of lawyerly
pussy-footing between the two parties, the legal cats acting in behalf of
Vandrei and McLachlan miraculously reached an agreement in principle
[http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/theletter.html] to quietly settle the
matter. McLachlan would write a letter to Vandrei explaining her actions; in
exchange, Vandrei would – to cut to the chase – zip a lip.
According to Bickley, he and Vandrei celebrated the victory by busting open a
bottle of champagne Vandrei had brought along for the occasion. "He left my
office a happy man. No way in hell did he kill himself. He'd gotten what he
wanted. A promise of an explanation for her actions. He didn't care about the
money. In my opinion, the suit would not have been taken seriously if he did
not press his claims and rights for compensation. When he left – Uwe was a
nice guy – he was jubilant and euphoric. I was happy he was happy. He was a
happy man."
The happy man who'd done a decade in the Canadian forces [
http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/thestalker.html ] in high-tech computer
security as well as a stint in then-prime minister Brian Mulroney's office
during Desert Storm did not drink and drive. That was the last time he was
seen alive. When his skeletal remains [
http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/theautopsyreport.html ] were discovered in
the back of his pickup (by a crew of surveyors, apparently) 3 November 1994,
the coroner's summary would state that he had died in Vanier (and not, as is
widely and erroneously reported, 90 kilometres from his suburban home) and
that he had been deceased five or six weeks. It would list his official cause
of death as "presumed carbon-monoxide poisoning" or "apparent suicide."
Sergeant Michael Brehmer (of the Ontario Provincial Police's Long Sault
detachment) sets the record straight: "An 'apparent suicide' means it appears
like a suicide. Appears. It could well have been a homicide. We use 'apparent'
because, you know, we're just not sure."
What is sure is that in the week prior to his September 1994 death, Vandrei
purchased luggage, priced wedding rings, practised packing an efficient
suitcase, highlighted sections of a popular guide to Vancouver's best places
(McLachlan's home base), invested $500 in a brake job on his 1986 pickup,
collected a cheque for four grand from his former employer (Nu-Tat
Technologies), procured an application for a Firearms' Acquisition Certificate
he never completed, and placed ten microcassettes as well as full
documentation supporting his allegations in a safety-deposit box.
What is also sure is that he left his lawyer's office late that afternoon
"walking on air" concerning the successful conclusion to his drawn-out action
regarding McLachlan's alleged breach of moral rights and copyright
infringement. Apparently, Vandrei was so pleased with the results his lawyer
had achieved, he'd jumped into his truck, driven to a secluded backwoods area
[http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/thesite.html] said to be frequented by
hunters, turned his vehicle into a carbon-monoxide death chamber, made himself
comfortable with a cassette of Fumbling Towards Ecstasy playing on his
Walkman, closed his eyes, and went to sleep.
In his letter [ http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/theletter.html ] to Vandrei's
lawyer dated 14 September 1994 (but not faxed to Bickley until 15 September
1994 at 3:19 PM [EST]), McLachlan's lawyer, Andrew S. Atkins, states that at
the same time Vandrei was conducting his correspondence campaign, McLachlan
was telephoned by another individual who had expressed a like interest in her.
Further, this particular individual had specifically requested McLachlan meet
with him at a certain time and place. That request resulted in a police
report being filed and the police intervening. The police attended the meeting
and convinced him to cease his activity.
According to McLachlan's lawyer, said series of events occurred at the time
when the demos for "Possession" were being created; further, it is this series
of events which inspired "Possession." As Atkins himself states, in his letter
to Bickley concerning Vandrei, "Ms. McLachlan's allusion to a stalker, while
perhaps appropriate, was not in reference to your client [Uwe Vandrei]."
Atkins explains he will suggest to McLachlan that she write Vandrei a letter
stating the background for the song "Possession" as well as indicating to him
personally how she feels with respect to the entire matter. He goes on to
state he will make this recommendation "on the condition that, prior to this
letter issuing, a full release of all causes of action of any kind or nature,
the content of which is to be approved by us in advance, be executed and held
by you in trust for immediate delivery to my attention upon your receipt of a
carbon copy of the letter in question." In his letter, Atkins also clearly
indicates a copy of his letter has been c.c.'ed to McLachlan, presumably the
"us" to whom Atkins refers.
Vandrei's parents, Anita and Gerhard, provided Vandrei's authorised biographer
with a certified true copy of the letter in question (which, apparently,
Vandrei never saw) as well as the microcassettes and supporting documentation
he'd placed in the safety-deposit box just prior to his death. It is the
Vandreis' expressed hope their only son's reputation be cleared and his
actions be framed in their proper context.
You are cordially invited to view the FAQ [
http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/thefaq.html ] containing verbatim transcripts
from Vandrei's cassettes as well as pertinent photographs and documentation
which not only prove Vandrei was NOT McLachlan's stalker as she has allegedly
claimed in dozens of interviews granted various North-American media
representatives (including CTV's W5, VH1's Special-Presentation series
entitled NOWHERE TO HIDE: Stalkers and Stars, Keyboard Online, Maclean's,
Alternative Press, etc.), [
http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/fromstalkertostar.html ] they also
collectively demonstrate that it may prove beneficial to both the surviving
family members as well as Vandrei's reputation to re-open the investigation
into his apparent suicide (which should not be confused with its sister legal
terms, suicide and homicide).
</quote>
-- CONNECTIONS: Uwe Vandrei (1960-1994)
http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/
Uwe is dead. It is enough that SM and her family, not to mention Uwe's
family, have to live with this nightmare. I am convinced SM knew nothing of
the events surrounding Uwe's murder. It *is* a tragic miscarriage of justice.
It happens (more often than we care to believe -- look no further than Ian
Halperin's book concerning Kurt Cobain).
LET IT GO!
What goes around comes around.
Count on it.
Judith Fitzgerald, authorised biographer
p.s. BigA? You're wrong on the volume thing -- doubt I'll believe anything
you say again -- but, not to worry, doubt I'll ever read or post there again
either :(
p.p.s. 'Maniacs, I will not discuss Vandrei further since it's a painful
reminder to all involved, including his elderly parents (who do have friends
who read this NG and do not need to be reminded of events that destroyed their
lives as well all those years ago). Have a heart :(
p.p.p.s. S*lv*r? Why don't we tell the world your name is M**k F**tm*n and,
YES, if you peep one peep, I'll out the rest of your family, too
pennie
computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit of wisdom:
Hi Steph,
Grabbed this tidbit from the newsgroup FAQ....it comes straight from
Sarah's mouth (who would be *the* only person knowing why she wrote
the song =)
""Possession" was inspired by fan letters from overenthusiastic male
admirers.
"Some of the letters were really over the top, in terms of what they
expected and demanded from me,"[Sarah] McLachlan says cautiously. "The
song is written from the point of someone who's so obsessed with
another person that they might become violent in order to obtain that
person." Courtesy: The Detroit News 13 June 1996"
Pennie
"Maybe dead's like being really high without the low"
Kristin Hersh - Flipside
Steph
for asking a question that may be too painful for some Sarah M. fans
but unfortunately I don't know much about Sarah at all. I came to find
out about her wait too late in her career. Sarah came into my life two
months before she came to West Palm Beach, FL for what would be her
last "Lilith Fair" tour (awesome show!). Then as we all know she went
into Hiatus. I was curious to find out a little bit more about the
song "Possession" since my friend had mentioned that it was about an
obssessed fan when all the while I thought the song was about two
people who are passionately in love with one another and who are at
the same time thousands of miles apart. I guess to each his own when
it comes to interpretations. I realize now that I was way off base.
Thanks again for taking the time to clarify. Steph.
pennie
computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit of wisdom:
>First of all I want to thank everyone for their responses. I am sorry
Hi Steph,
No, please don't think you were off base...yours was a question a lot
of people have asked...no harm meant to anyone...so please don't feel
bad about asking it. In fact, until I read the article Sarah talks
about I thought the same thing you did...kind of reminds you of The
Police song "Every Breath You Take"...which is really about obsessive
love.
Sarah has given interpretations to quite a few of her songs, but she's
also stressed the importance of what the song means to each
listener...so again...please don't feel badly about interpreting her
song the way *you* want to interpret it =)
So...who was playing the Lilith Fair you went to?! I had seen Sarah
in concert in 1997 with the release of Surfacing. If you ever get the
opportunity to see her solo you really should...she's even more
awesome =)
Silver
computer out of two gum wrappers, a rotary telephone, a Ouija board, and a
wristwatch, and sent this top secret coded message, which says:
Jeez, please don't start all this crap again. Deity knows we've heard enough of
it. Something I find odd - in the part where you're whinging on about "*we is
dead" and "LET IT GO" - is the fact that you, yourself, seem unwilling and
unable to do that very thing. You can't very well exhort us to do something
that you yourself refuse to do, especially seeing as nothing vicious or cruel
was said about *we in response to this question.
>p.p.p.s. Silver? Why don't we tell the world your name is M**k F**tm*n and,
Sweetheart, are you calling me Mark Fuhrman, because I would have to take that
as an insult! Or maybe that's supposed to be Milk Fartman? Mork Feltmen?
C'mon, give me some clue as to my purported identity! Don't let me keep
guessing, it could go on like this forever...Meek Footman!
>YES, if you peep one peep,
Peep one peep about what? How completely unhinged you are? I should think
that's quite obvious by this point.
>I'll out the rest of your family, too
What??? You'll "out the rest of my family"? I didn't even know they were all
gay! How and why have they been hiding it from me for all these years!?! Are
you sure about this? All of them or just my parents? My sister could be, but
you just can't tell with those rich, successful corporate types, know what I
mean?
Wait...so, you're saying that Aunt Lily and her roomie Tanya might be more than
just friends? Well, d'oh...that explains everything.
Thanks for the info, it's cleared up a lot of questions about those pesky family
sexual orientations. Wait...hmmmm...does that mean I'm gay too? Or is it Sarah
who's gay?
Hush now, Judy, I have to go meditate on the meaning of all this. Not a peep
out of you, or I'll have to start all over.
But you've brightened my day, fer sure, Judy Patootie.
Silver
P.S.
Read this quote the other day, and thought of you, Judy Judy Bo Bootie...
"I won't say anything because no one ever listens to me anyway! I might as well
be a Leonard Cohen record!" - Neil Pye (Nigel Planer), The Young Ones
> From: "Judith Fitzgerald" <boogie...@sympatico.ca>
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pennie
wand over their computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit
of wisdom:
>Sweetheart, are you calling me Mark Fuhrman, because I would have to take that
>as an insult! Or maybe that's supposed to be Milk Fartman? Mork Feltmen?
>C'mon, give me some clue as to my purported identity! Don't let me keep
>guessing, it could go on like this forever...Meek Footman!
But...but...but Silver, I thought you were me.....when did I change
into a male...why do I still have breasts this morning....oh my =)
Steph
in concert in 1997 with the release of Surfacing. If you ever get the
opportunity to see her solo you really should...she's even more
awesome =) Pennie
Natalie Merchant, Queen Latifah, Bonnie Raitt, and the girl who sings
"Bitch."
It was an awesome concert. Never seen so many women in one place at
one time before. I haven't had the pleasure of seeing SM in a solo
concert but I am hoping she will tour again. I would be willing to fly
out to see her in some other state should she decide to leave Miami
out of her touring plans. Steph.
Silver
computer out of two gum wrappers, a rotary telephone, a Ouija board, and a
wristwatch, and sent this top secret coded message, which says:
>
>wand over their computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit
>of wisdom:
>
>>Sweetheart, are you calling me Mark Fuhrman, because I would have to take that
>>as an insult! Or maybe that's supposed to be Milk Fartman? Mork Feltmen?
>>C'mon, give me some clue as to my purported identity! Don't let me keep
>>guessing, it could go on like this forever...Meek Footman!
>
>But...but...but Silver, I thought you were me.....when did I change
>into a male...why do I still have breasts this morning....oh my =)
>
>Pennie
Well, I believe the dictionary term is "transgendered". ;) Hehehe. Or maybe
I'm the bottom half and you're the top half? LOL! But where do we keep the
other two halves? (In a freezer, I hope, so they don't rot. :p)
Silver
computer out of two gum wrappers, a rotary telephone, a Ouija board, and a
wristwatch, and sent this top secret coded message, which says:
Just wanted to take a bit o'time to correct Judith's post, and her "FAQ". I'm
doing this because Judith so often commits the sin of lying through omission,
presenting facts in the light she wants them to be seen in, and not in their
entirety.
>Steph wrote in message news:1d3883f6.02041...@posting.google.com...
>
>> I was out driving with a friend last weekend and we were playing some
>> of Sarah's songs. When possession came on my friend informed me about
>> a story she once heard about possession being influenced by an
>> obsessed fan? Any truth to this?
>
>None whatsoever.
That's where you're wrong, Judy. You contend that *we isn't the basis for the
song, with which I agree, however there may have been other obsessed fans, of
which you know nothing. You cannot unequivocally state that this song is not
about an obsessed fan or fans, and in fact you mention later in your FAQ that
Sarah's lawyer, Andrew Atkins, has verified that there are other individuals
besides *we that the song may be about. In fact, you cannot say for sure what
was or wasn't in Sarah's mind at the time that she wrote the song, since you are
not her, do not know her, and have never spoken to her.
To quote the ng FAQ:
"Possession" was inspired by fan letters from overenthusiastic male admirers.
"Some of the letters were really over the top, in terms of what they expected
and demanded from me,"[Sarah] McLachlan says cautiously. "The song is written
from the point of someone who's so obsessed with another person that they might
become violent in order to obtain that person." Courtesy: The Detroit News 13
June 1996"
>It was a tragic publicity stunt that cost a harmless letter-writer his life --
>the question you need to ask is who murdered *we *and*ei (as others have
>asked, and discovered, to their horror, he was, in fact, murdered):
Whom are these others who have asked and discovered, then, so that they may
confirm your claims? Are you never going to disseminate your alleged facts? If
this is so true, please name the person or persons responsible for his death.
Do it anonymously if you must, because I would like to know. For once and for
all tell us in some way, shape, or form who it was that allegedly committed this
crime! Stop beating around the bush, just have out with it, already. For
years, you've droned on and on about him being murdered, but you won't say who
it is. The only reason you won't is because there isn't anyone, is there? You
have no proof, do you? Where is it? What is it? Who did it? Out with it,
woman! Either put up, or shut up.
>Twelve days earlier, on 2 September 1994, Vandrei had commenced a legal action
>against the woman of his dreams in which he cited "breach of confidence" and
>claimed McLachlan had allegedly used his correspondence (copyrighted by him
>once he affixed his signature to it) as both source and resource for several
>songs [ http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/thelabel.html ] on Fumbling Towards
>Ecstasy, most notably, "Possession" [
>http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/possession.html ]."
It was not just several songs, as you state, it was EVERY song but "Fumbling
Towards Ecstsasy". That's 11 out of 12 songs, or 91.7% of the songs from the
album. The following is taken directly from the Statement of Claim:
"On the CD, "Fumbling towards Ecstasy", and in the accompanying literature, with
the exception of the song called "Fumbling towards Ecstasy", the Defendant
claims authorship and copyright of all the songs in the CD including the song
"Possession"."
>The following morning, 12 September 1994, in a last-ditch effort to attract
>someone's assistance and to preserve a public record of his ordeal, Vandrei
>posted a copy of his Claim with an explanatory background note to the
>Fumbling-Towards-Ecstasy listserv, a subscription-based Internet discussion
>group. Two days later, 14 September 1994, after months of lawyerly
>pussy-footing between the two parties, the legal cats acting in behalf of
>Vandrei and McLachlan miraculously reached an agreement in principle
>[http://www.onlink.net/uwevandrei/theletter.html] to quietly settle the
>matter. McLachlan would write a letter to Vandrei explaining her actions; in
>exchange, Vandrei would – to cut to the chase – zip a lip.
Again, you leave out important facts here, instead choosing to throw them in
later on in your "FAQ" - giving the technical details like names, dates,
lawyers, etc., without explaining that they pertain to the above paragraph.
Your phrasing implies that Sarah used his letters, and that she was going to
write him a letter explaining why she had done so. This is not the case, and
you should clarify that rather than trying to insinuate with half-truths that
Sarah was guilty of your (and *we's) unprovable allegations.
>According to Bickley, he and Vandrei celebrated the victory by busting open a
>bottle of champagne Vandrei had brought along for the occasion. "He left my
>office a happy man. No way in hell did he kill himself. He'd gotten what he
>wanted. A promise of an explanation for her actions. He didn't care about the
>money. In my opinion, the suit would not have been taken seriously if he did
>not press his claims and rights for compensation. When he left – Uwe was a
>nice guy – he was jubilant and euphoric. I was happy he was happy. He was a
>happy man."
Of course he didn't care about the money. Wouldn't his sole desire have been to
force a face-to-face confrontation with Sarah? Money wouldn't have been
important to him, seeing Sarah would have.
>What is sure is that in the week prior to his September 1994 death, Vandrei
>purchased luggage, priced wedding rings, practised packing an efficient
>suitcase, highlighted sections of a popular guide to Vancouver's best places
>(McLachlan's home base), invested $500 in a brake job on his 1986 pickup,
>collected a cheque for four grand from his former employer (Nu-Tat
>Technologies), procured an application for a Firearms' Acquisition Certificate
>he never completed, and placed ten microcassettes as well as full
>documentation supporting his allegations in a safety-deposit box.
Does it not seem in the slightest bit odd to you that he was looking for the
best places of Vancouver? Where better to spot Sarah than at the best
restaurants, acommodations and attractions? It doesn't seem odd that he was
going to look at wedding rings when he wasn't getting married? What better
present to offer Sarah to make her love him? It doesn't seem odd that he wanted
to BUY A GUN, in addition to buying luggage, practicing packing a suitcase,
looking at wedding rings, picking out Vancouver's best places and making sure he
had access to money and viable transportation? All in the same week?
>Vandrei's parents, Anita and Gerhard, provided Vandrei's authorised biographer
>with a certified true copy of the letter in question (which, apparently,
>Vandrei never saw) as well as the microcassettes and supporting documentation
>he'd placed in the safety-deposit box just prior to his death. It is the
>Vandreis' expressed hope their only son's reputation be cleared and his
>actions be framed in their proper context.
What is their proper context? That it's a completely reasonable possibility
that a disturbed, obsessed individual who wanted more than anything to make
Sarah love him would go so far as to kill himself when he couldn't do so? There
is no proper context for any of his behavior. Normal people don't go around
doing this kind of thing, Judy. Normal people realize that they're not going to
get Leonard Cohen or Sarah McLachlan or Judge Judy to love them by writing them
letters and sending them gifts and filing lawsuits against them for imagined
"breaches of confidence".
>Uwe is dead. It is enough that SM and her family, not to mention Uwe's
>family, have to live with this nightmare. I am convinced SM knew nothing of
>the events surrounding Uwe's murder. It *is* a tragic miscarriage of justice.
>It happens (more often than we care to believe -- look no further than Ian
>Halperin's book concerning Kurt Cobain).
Well, you weren't so convinced that Sarah had nothing to do with it that long
ago. Are you jumping on the wagon with the Soviet Revisionists?
>LET IT GO!
Right back at'cha, kiddo. I don't remember *we being mentioned once in this
discussion until you brought him up...so who's the hypocrite? That would be
YOU.
>What goes around comes around.
Exactly.
>Count on it.
I do. So when is Sarah going to write a half-assed book about you alleging that
you murdered Keith Whitley?
>Judith Fitzgerald, authorised biographer
Of *we, but not Sarah. Too bad it wasn't the other way 'round, eh? Guess you
had to take what you could get.
>p.s. BigA? You're wrong on the volume thing -- doubt I'll believe anything
>you say again -- but, not to worry, doubt I'll ever read or post there again
>either :(
How many times have you said *that*? It never works. You've said the same
thing about *this* ng at least 5 times by now.
>p.p.s. 'Maniacs, I will not discuss Vandrei further since it's a painful
>reminder to all involved,
So, then, why did you feel the need to discuss him this time when nothing bad
was said about him? Nothing was even said about him, as I pointed out earlier,
until you brought him up. Who's the one reminding everyone of it, then?
>including his elderly parents (who do have friends who read this NG and do not
>need to be reminded of events that destroyed their lives as well all those years
>ago).
Look, you're the one bringing *we up, not us. Give it a rest. You can't just
bring him into a perfectly civil conversation that hasn't seen hide nor hair of
his name and expect to yell at *us* for what *only you* are guilty of.
Also, if his "parent's friends" are so bothered by what we *haven't* been saying
about him, then why don't they tell us themselves, and not you? If they're so
horrified by this nonexistent discussion of him, why do they keep reading this
ng? And if they think what we haven't been saying about him is so "upsetting"
then why would they mention it to his parents in the first place? You, and "his
parent's friends who read this NG" don't make much sense to me.
>Have a heart :(
Have a heart for what? Are we call him naughty names and urinating on his
remains while beating his grieving parents with sticks? No. For the last time,
it's you bringing him up, not us.
>p.p.p.s. S*lv*r? Why don't we tell the world your name is M**k F**tm*n and,
>YES, if you peep one peep, I'll out the rest of your family, too
And I believe I've already addressed this bit of kookiness.
To quote you, "have a lice knife" Judy.
Beep beep beep boop boop boop,
Silver
TNFergus
>well
>be a Leonard Cohen record!"
lmfao
pennie
computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit of wisdom:
>Natalie Merchant, Queen Latifah, Bonnie Raitt, and the girl who sings
>"Bitch."
Ohhhh...I would have loved to see Bonnie Raitt and Meredith Brooks!!
Did get to see Sheryl Crow and The Pretenders though...which was very
cool.
Also got turned on to Bertine and....uh...darn...can't remember the
name of the other band on the second stage. I'll have to go through
my cd's and figure it out.
>It was an awesome concert. Never seen so many women in one place at
>one time before. I haven't had the pleasure of seeing SM in a solo
>concert but I am hoping she will tour again. I would be willing to fly
>out to see her in some other state should she decide to leave Miami
>out of her touring plans.
Oh I know, Lilith was awesome! Yes, do make a point of seeing Sarah
solo. I had goosebumps the entire concert when she performed.
Pennie
"Maybe dead's like being really high without the low"
Kristin Hersh - Flipside
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Serge
POV of several 'over the top' male fans, as she said. Vandrei's apologist here,
and apparently Vandrei himself when he was alive, make a big accusation - that
Sarah basically plagiarized V's ideas to make the whole album! This seems
far-fetched, but incidentally, as much as I love the albums 'Touch' (her first)
and 'Possession', wasn't there a similar controversy about 'Touch' in which
someone claimed the studio hired him to write/rewrite several of the songs
('cos they thought her songwriting wasn't up to speed yet) but he didn't get
any credit or royalties?
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DeMoN LaG
news:1d3883f6.02042...@posting.google.com, on 20 Apr 2002:
> and the girl who sings
> "Bitch."
Meridith Brooks?
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Ken
<snip>
>and 'Possession', wasn't there a similar controversy about 'Touch' in which
>someone claimed the studio hired him to write/rewrite several of the songs
>('cos they thought her songwriting wasn't up to speed yet) but he didn't get
>any credit or royalties?
This always seems to happen when an artist breaks out. People seem to
come out of the woodwork stating that they helped in some aspect of
the album, and want royalties.
And yes, there have been cases where this truly happened, and they did
work on the album, but in most cases, it's just someone wanting money.
Ken
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<trying to lighten things up>
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Steph
> Valle...@hotmail.com (Steph) wrote in
> news:1d3883f6.02042...@posting.google.com, on 20 Apr 2002:
>
> > and the girl who sings
> > "Bitch."
>
> Meridith Brooks?
Yes, MB. If I recall correctly she was the first act. It was extremely
hot that day. The concert was held outside in the Florida heat but it
was well worth it. For me the fun started when NM came out with her
swing and SM came out on stage while she was singing and spun her
around a couple of times. They looked like a couple of school girls
having fun. It was sweet. Lilith has been one of my best concert
experiences. I went to see NM in Columbus Ohio and that would probably
be the next best concert experience. I saw Tori last year in West Palm
Beach as well and she was awesome too. I wish Tori A. would have been
at Lilith as well. Would have made a totally awesome experience all
around having all three girls on stage. Does anyone know if Tori A.
has ever played Lilith? Steph.
Vocalizer3
he was a fuckin' nut, he blew his head off, let it rest
blu...@megsinet.cutcaps.net
> Funny, I always thought 'Possession' was
> about a car. Go Figure.
>
> <trying to lighten things up>
>
>
Michael,
How dare you! Lurkers! Cease him!
Actually, I kind of prefer my unenlightened reading of the
"Possession" lyrics. When I first heard the song, I assumed it was
Sarah honestly expressing wild lust for her lover:
> And I will be the one to hold you down
> Kiss you so hard
> I'll take your breath away
I always pictured Sarah pushing a guy against the wall and passionately
kissing him. The song still works that way if you let it.
Jay
4/20/02
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DeMoN LaG
news:3cc38...@goliath.newsgroups.com, on 21 Apr 2002:
> I always pictured Sarah pushing a guy against the wall and
> passionately kissing him. The song still works that way if you
> let it.
>
Going further off topic, I kinda like that sometimes. I'm not much of
one for like, bondage and whips and stuff, but not much else is better
than my girlfriend pushing me back or pulling me to her to kiss me.
Something sorta primal about it, makes it fun :)
Michael Kammes-Post Sound for Film
Rumbles, so there :P As well as a Sarah Rarity MP3 page, which was shut down by
my host. Bastages.
heheh.
BTW, did anyone ever Download that Sarah Mix that I uploaded to the depot...I
think I had it labeled as the 'Sarah College Mix', I also had a text FAQ on it.
Just curious :)
Serge
come out of the woodwork stating that they helped in some aspect of
the album, and want royalties.
And yes, there have been cases where this truly happened, and they did
work on the album, but in most cases, it's just someone wanting money.
But was it true re: Sarah and 'Touch'?
blu...@megsinet.cutcaps.net
> <blu...@megsinet.CUTCAPS.net> wrote
> > I always pictured Sarah pushing a guy against the
> > wall and passionately kissing him. The song still
> > works that way if you let it.
> >
>
> Going further off topic, I kinda like that sometimes.
> I'm not much of one for like, bondage and whips and
> stuff, but not much else is better than my girlfriend
> pushing me back or pulling me to her to kiss me.
> Something sorta primal about it, makes it fun :)
>
DL,
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. You come home and your wife or
girlfriend just jumps you at the door, ripping your shirt off while
kissing passionately. That's what I always pictured going on in the
"Possession" lyrics. When Sarah sings it live, I get much more of that
kind of vibe from her.
Jay
4/21/02
Coises
>Funny, I always thought 'Possession' was about a car.
No, no, that was "Repossession":
And I would be the one
In your garage
With the lights off.
I'll take your car away,
And after you wipe away the tears,
Just pay your bills, dear.
It was never all that popular.
--
Peace,
Ra...@Coises.com
Why does Coises have a web site? Why do peanuts come with directions?
Pages at http://www.coises.com/ were updated 5 March 2002.
pennie
computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit of wisdom:
>he was a fuckin' nut, he blew his head off, let it rest
Um, no, he hooked the exhaust of his truck up with a hose and ran it
into the back of the pick up. He died from CM poisoning.
Michael Kammes-Post Sound for Film
pennie
computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit of wisdom:
> Actually, I kind of prefer my unenlightened reading of the
>"Possession" lyrics. When I first heard the song, I assumed it was
>Sarah honestly expressing wild lust for her lover:
Me too...I think I mentioned before, kind of like the lyrics for the
Police "Every Breath You Take". Was kind of shocked when I heard it
was more about jealousy then love or lust.
Pennie
Poor is the man whose pleasures depend
on the permission of another.
~Madonna
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pennie
computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit of wisdom:
>No, no, that was "Repossession":
>
> And I would be the one
> In your garage
> With the lights off.
> I'll take your car away,
> And after you wipe away the tears,
> Just pay your bills, dear.
>
>It was never all that popular.
<wiping coffee off the monitor so I can see to type> You should warn
people before opening that you post could cause a choking hazard =)
Thanks for the morning laugh...
pennie
computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit of wisdom:
>But was it true re: Sarah and 'Touch'?
Yes, that would have been David Neudorf, but he lost the case. You
can read about it here:
http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicSarahMcLachlan/aug28_trial.html
Serge
Thanks, Pennie. I tried searching Google but only got links to stories from the
trial when it was going on, not the verdict.
DeMoN LaG
news:3cc39...@goliath.newsgroups.com, on 22 Apr 2002:
> Yeah, that's what I was getting at. You come home and your
> wife or
> girlfriend just jumps you at the door, ripping your shirt off
> while kissing passionately. That's what I always pictured going
> on in the
>
I like being jumped at the door. I would dislike the shirt ripping
thing cause it'd probably make a button or three fly off my shirt, and
A) I don't sew much these days and B) I don't own a lot of white
collared shirts.
DeMoN LaG
news:saj7cukgr07gqhhhj...@4ax.com, on 22 Apr 2002:
> No, no, that was "Repossession":
>
> And I would be the one
> In your garage
> With the lights off.
> I'll take your car away,
> And after you wipe away the tears,
> Just pay your bills, dear.
>
> It was never all that popular.
That was damned funny. Things like the above are why Coises has a
website!
Steph
In your garage
With the lights off.
I'll take your car away,
And after you wipe away the tears,
Just pay your bills, dear.
Pennie, that was hysterical! Steph
blu...@megsinet.cutcaps.net
> <blu...@megsinet.CUTCAPS.net> wave their magic
> wand over their computer keyboard and came up with
> this wonderful bit of wisdom:
>
> > Actually, I kind of prefer my unenlightened reading
> > of the "Possession" lyrics. When I first heard the
> > song, I assumed it was Sarah honestly expressing
> > wild lust for her lover:
>
> Me too...I think I mentioned before, kind of like the
> lyrics for the Police "Every Breath You Take". Was
> kind of shocked when I heard it was more about
> jealousy then love or lust.
>
Pennie,
Talk about possession! Sting aimed this song at his ex-wife,
singing as if she was his possession ("you belong to me"). The irony is
that so many people use this song at weddings. I remember Sting even
cautioning that this might not be the song with which to establish a
healthy relationship.
Jay
4/22/02
pennie
computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit of wisdom:
>Pennie, that was hysterical! Steph
LOL...I wish I could take credit for that one, but it was Coises who
was the genius behind "Repossession"
pennie
computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit of wisdom:
>Pennie,
> Talk about possession! Sting aimed this song at his ex-wife,
>singing as if she was his possession ("you belong to me"). The irony is
>that so many people use this song at weddings. I remember Sting even
>cautioning that this might not be the song with which to establish a
>healthy relationship.
Ahhh...I wasn't aware it was aimed at his ex-wife, thanks for the
info. LOL, I'm sure more than a few people use Possession for their
wedding songs. In fact, Sue who posts here used a Sarah song, but I
can't remember which one it was.
Personally I think Fear would be a good song for a wedding ;)
pennie
>Does it not seem in the slightest bit odd to you that he was looking for the
>best places of Vancouver? Where better to spot Sarah than at the best
>restaurants, acommodations and attractions? It doesn't seem odd that he was
>going to look at wedding rings when he wasn't getting married? What better
>present to offer Sarah to make her love him? It doesn't seem odd that he wanted
>to BUY A GUN, in addition to buying luggage, practicing packing a suitcase,
>looking at wedding rings, picking out Vancouver's best places and making sure he
>had access to money and viable transportation? All in the same week?
Good questions Silver. Did some in depth searching on Google since
this can of worms was opened (again). Found the actual copy of the
complaint filed by *we:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=WretchAwry+%2BMcLachlan&hl=en&selm=CMM-RU.1.4.779808059.vickie%40pilot.njin.net&rnum=6
A copy of the email that *we sent out to the newsgroup explaining why
he had filed the claim and exactly how he felt about Sarah:
The Ottawa X Press story on #we after his death. The article states:
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=WretchAwry+%2BMcLachlan&hl=en&selm=CMM-RU.1.4.790956048.vickie%40pilot.njin.net&rnum=4
" So desperate was he for McLachlan's attention
that he thought nothing of exposing his obsession to
public scrutiny. He launched the lawsuit last
September, then he sent copies of his letters to CKCU
radio. All that mattered was reaching the siren of his
dreams."
Just thought I'd share information to show the other side of the
story.
Silver
computer out of two gum wrappers, a rotary telephone, a Ouija board, and a
No, no, no, my friend. It's the touching story of a boy and his dog. Sheesh,
thought everybody knew that by now! :)
Silver
Silver
computer out of two gum wrappers, a rotary telephone, a Ouija board, and a
wristwatch, and sent this top secret coded message, which says:
>
>
>he was a fuckin' nut, he blew his head off, let it rest
I'm sure someone else has corrected you already, since I haven't finished
reading old messages yet, but no, he didn't blow his head off. Get your facts
straight BEFORE you bitch people out, it helps keep you from looking dumb later.
Other than that, smile, it's nice a nice day out. I'm in a good mood.
Silver
Silver
computer out of two gum wrappers, a rotary telephone, a Ouija board, and a
wristwatch, and sent this top secret coded message, which says:
>
>Rumbles, so there :P As well as a Sarah Rarity MP3 page, which was shut down by
>my host. Bastages.
Ooooh, bastages. What a great word. *steals it*
>heheh.
>
>BTW, did anyone ever Download that Sarah Mix that I uploaded to the depot...I
>think I had it labeled as the 'Sarah College Mix', I also had a text FAQ on it.
> Just curious :)
Yeah, I did. So, did you get a good grade or mark or whatever for it?
>~Michael Kammes
Silver
Silver
computer out of two gum wrappers, a rotary telephone, a Ouija board, and a
wristwatch, and sent this top secret coded message, which says:
>
>>Funny, I always thought 'Possession' was about a car.
>
>No, no, that was "Repossession":
>
> And I would be the one
> In your garage
> With the lights off.
> I'll take your car away,
> And after you wipe away the tears,
> Just pay your bills, dear.
>
>It was never all that popular.
ROTFLMAO. I dunno, I kinda liked it. I used to watch "Repo Man" and listen to
that "Repossession" (at the same time, but it was only a little confusing) while
consuming beer and pizza at college on Friday nights.
Silver
Silver
computer out of two gum wrappers, a rotary telephone, a Ouija board, and a
wristwatch, and sent this top secret coded message, which says:
>
>computer keyboard and came up with this wonderful bit of wisdom:
>
>>But was it true re: Sarah and 'Touch'?
>
>Yes, that would have been David Neudorf, but he lost the case. You
>can read about it here:
>http://www.canoe.ca/JamMusicSarahMcLachlan/aug28_trial.html
David? Do you mean Daryl? Pennie, I think you've had enough coffee for the
day. ;)
Silver
Michael Kammes-Post Sound for Film
heh.
~Michael
JonWSample
Bono and the guitarist, and they were asked about what they thought with people
using that song at weddings. LOL, Bono literally put his face in his hands and
moaned, "People have told me that they use that song at weddings, and I'm like,
My Gosh, do you know what you are doing? Have you listened to the lyrics?" or
something to that effect =)
>Pennie,
> Talk about possession! Sting aimed this song at his ex-wife,
>singing as if she was his possession ("you belong to me"). The irony is
>that so many people use this song at weddings. I remember Sting even
>cautioning that this might not be the song with which to establish a
>healthy relationship.
"This moment contains all moments."
C.S. Lewis