STEVE GARTIN lies & lies & lies
LIBERATOR
no explanation of timing, footwork, cadence, telegraphy, fight
history, but instead a lot of ancient history of which Gartin is
claiming his style has no authentic lineage, that he himself has made
it up by two different countries.
Dutch & Indonesia.
So, as it's reported by Gartin/Jundt in the magazine, they made it up,
and they've never fought themselves and proven it works.
And here in Denver we have 4 schools all Korean domineering experts in
knife fighting, yet Gartin & Chas & their crackpot propaganda bullshit
platoon do everything they can to make sure they never cross paths
with all these schools.
Essentially, when the government commits fraud against trusting
people, they hire propaganda artists. Chas has proven to be one of
these types of people. He talks real pretty, trys to display a higher
education, and out of what he would like you to believe is random,
talks a real good anti-Jeffco story. But I know for a fact Jeffco and
all officials in Jeffco are knowingly taking part in high levels of
fraud in almost all channels of government regarding all activity of
government (county).
And I believe Chas is one of their hired "he's just a citizen" stooge,
who talks a good show, who now that they are shuffling in new
presences for the sheriff, they need to make it look as if this
sheriff and the last sheriff who was removed because they say he was a
drunk (he wasn't, it was all staged, apparently many shuffles of power
is believed to be a true change in power), and the last sheriff
(Stone, the hired fall guy paid 2 million for his psyop work), are not
working together but instead separate interests or "new presence". But
the truth of the matter is they're all front men hired by Hollywood
people to play act. And Chas is support staff and I believe he's being
supplimented someway.
But that's irrelevant to his self-propping of his abilities, all talk
and propaganda. No fighting, he refuses to fight anyone, and like I
said, Tiger Kim, JW Kim, Ki Martial Arts, U.S. Tae Kwon Do Center,
Martinez TKD are all highly skilled in knife fighting, yet Chas won't
spar with them, compete with them, simply because his lies won't hold
up once he's been beaten publically.
Look at the photos in Inside KungFu of Gartin, they are absolutely
hilarious. Clearly by these photos he does not have a clue about real
fighting.
Chas & Gartin are con-artists, and I believe Chas is a government
propaganda person who plays "just ordinary citizen who is pissed".
It doesn't really matter, the guy can't fight if his life dependended
on it.
Dougie®
help you that day because no TKD would stop them from skinning you
alive.
LIBERATOR
ARe you one of the silat practitioners?
You are in Denver?
I'm wide open for challenges. Talk is cheap.
Dougie®
>ARe you one of the silat practitioners?
Nope. I have had the chance to be shown some grappling silat
and visited a silat school but that's about it.
>You are in Denver?
Nope.
>I'm wide open for challenges. Talk is cheap.
Bring it.
Steve Gartin
"LIBERATOR" <jidok...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I re-read the story in Inside KungFu Magazine, and noticed there was
> no explanation of timing, footwork, cadence, telegraphy, fight
> history, but instead a lot of ancient history of which Gartin is
> claiming his style has no authentic lineage, that he himself has made
> it up by two different countries.
My lineage is posted on www.kuntaosilat.com
>
> Dutch & Indonesia.
Wrong again. China and Indonesia - my teachers are Dutch/Indonesian and
Chinese/Indonesian.
> So, as it's reported by Gartin/Jundt in the magazine, they made it up,
> and they've never fought themselves and proven it works.
Wrong again. Joe is a consumate martial artist who has had more fights than
you've had delusions Lib.
>
> And here in Denver we have 4 schools all Korean domineering experts in
> knife fighting, yet Gartin & Chas & their crackpot propaganda bullshit
> platoon do everything they can to make sure they never cross paths
> with all these schools.
I'm sure they are fine schools Lib; I have other interests to occupy my
time.
>
> Essentially, when the government commits fraud against trusting
> people, they hire propaganda artists. Chas has proven to be one of
> these types of people. He talks real pretty, trys to display a higher
> education, and out of what he would like you to believe is random,
> talks a real good anti-Jeffco story.
That's because he has been an eye-witness to the pervasive criminal conduct
of every level of government in Colorado.
> But I know for a fact Jeffco and
> all officials in Jeffco are knowingly taking part in high levels of
> fraud in almost all channels of government regarding all activity of
> government (county).
I'm shocked! The Liberator has at last spoken the truth. (it can't last)
>
> And I believe Chas is one of their hired "he's just a citizen" stooge,
> who talks a good show, who now that they are shuffling in new
> presences for the sheriff, they need to make it look as if this
> sheriff and the last sheriff who was removed because they say he was a
> drunk (he wasn't, it was all staged, apparently many shuffles of power
> is believed to be a true change in power), and the last sheriff
> (Stone, the hired fall guy paid 2 million for his psyop work), are not
> working together but instead separate interests or "new presence". But
> the truth of the matter is they're all front men hired by Hollywood
> people to play act. And Chas is support staff and I believe he's being
> supplimented someway.
>
Whew, non compos mentis doesn't begin to describe your problems Lib.
> But that's irrelevant to his self-propping of his abilities, all talk
> and propaganda. No fighting, he refuses to fight anyone, and like I
> said, Tiger Kim, JW Kim, Ki Martial Arts, U.S. Tae Kwon Do Center,
> Martinez TKD are all highly skilled in knife fighting, yet Chas won't
> spar with them, compete with them, simply because his lies won't hold
> up once he's been beaten publically.
Lib, with YHVH's good grace our fighting days are over. We have absolutely
nothing to prove to you. You could not afford to pay tuition . . . what do
we owe you? I'm taking my time to answer your more cogent ravings, but I'm
tiring of you rapidly. You're even more stupid than Hal (IH).
>
> Look at the photos in Inside KungFu of Gartin, they are absolutely
> hilarious. Clearly by these photos he does not have a clue about real
> fighting.
Tell me Lib, when have you ever conducted or participated in a photo shoot.
Show me the URL . . . you goffy fake.
>
> Chas & Gartin are con-artists, and I believe Chas is a government
> propaganda person who plays "just ordinary citizen who is pissed".
>
No, he jest plays one on TV . . . on the MKUltra Manchurian Movement.
> It doesn't really matter, the guy can't fight if his life dependended
> on it.
It has and he did. He's still here Lib and you would be well advised to
just leave that old man alone. You just want a sound drubbing and that you
can get from the youngsters at the schools IF nothing else will satisfy your
silly ass.
Stop the government drugs Lib and you'll start coming back to reality.
Steve
www.kuntaosilat.net
Steve Gartin
You're right about finding him IF we wanted to, but he's an avowed TKD
pimp - worthy of spanking maybe, but not skinning. :-)>
Steve
www.kuntaosilat.net
"Dougie®" <dougee...@canada.REMOVE.com> wrote in message
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Steve Gartin
Just wanted to let you all know that I teach every Wednesday at 5:00PM at
9350 W. 20th Street in Lakewood. The practice leader is Travis Crosby and
the classes are held at his massage therapy office. Please call Travis at
303-232-9520 for any additional information.
Have a wonderful day,
Steve Gartin
www.kuntaosilat.com
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Steve Gartin
with my name on them, I'll take advantage of the free advertising and tell
you all about the Offensive/Defensive Force Course in Longmont on 7 February
from 10 - 3 PM. Pak Vic is coming to Denver to meet with the prototype
people who are building the first of the Sangat Blades for the SHOT show
this year. He will take one day out to present an ODF course for the public
and another day to work with the local seniors on Serak.
The ODF course was originally designed to teach law enforcement personnel
how to safely deal with a knife attack. The streets are getting no safer
and the Citizens have need of the same knowledge, so Pak Vic has now opened
ODF up to the public. This will be the first public viewing of this
technology and is a must-see for anyone who has ever thought it would be
wise to learn how to defend against a knife attack.
It's a short course, lots of information for further practice, but several
keys that you can walk away with that will make a difference in the sad
event that you may need them.
As a bonus for those instructors and gurus attending, Pak Vic will
demonstrate several principles from the 2nd and 3rd level of Serak at the
conclusion of the ODF seminar and provide instruction by appointment either
before or after the seminar. Click on the link at: www.kuntaosilat.com call
Jim about details.
And by the way, Danny Inosanto does INDEED study Serak with Pak Vic every
week. He also teaches Serak up to level 6 or 7. From what Pak Vic tells
me, Danny teaches verbatim the Serak curriculum.
Ya'll have a great day,
Steve Gartin
www.tendjek.com
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Steve Gartin
joyfully meet with you at the ODF seminar on February 7, 2004 at 10 PM in
Longmont, Colorado to show you either art, your choice. Be there, or
forever bear the ignominious defeat that you and all TKD people you foist
upon us here will inevitably bear after meeting with Serak. If you think
silat and Serak are the same thing, you have an awakening awaiting. You
asked for a time and place: 10AM 7 February 2004 - Longmont, Colorado:
www.kuntaosilat.com
Maha Guru Steve Gartin - Tendjek SerMal
www.tendjek.com
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story
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> upon us here will inevitably bear after meeting with Serak. If you think
> silat and Serak are the same thing, you have an awakening awaiting.
????? I thought that Serak was a kind of Silat. Is it not? If not then what
is the difference?
.................Tom...................
Chas
> > upon us here will inevitably bear after meeting with Serak. If you
think
> > silat and Serak are the same thing, you have an awakening awaiting.
> ????? I thought that Serak was a kind of Silat. Is it not? If not then
what
> is the difference?
'Silat/silek' just means 'fighting' (in simple).
Serak(tm) is a particular system of silat, of which there are, literally,
hundreds.
If you've seen 'silat', that doesn't necessarily mean that it was Serak.
Even if you've seen serak from other practitioners- Suwanda lineage, Wetzel
lineage, Reeders lineage, it doesn't mean that you've seen the Serak of Mas
Djoet, Mas Roen or of Pak Serak himself. They are from different senior
students of Pak Serak and emphasize different aspects of his art than we do.
It's all real complicated, and doesn't mean much to anyone but us <g>
Another aspect is that 'tendjekan' is the very old word for fighting- it
means to 'obliterate' or 'crush'; to 'stomp' or 'pound'. It kinda predates
the use of the word 'silat', and kind of implies a 'rough' or 'brusque' art
predicated on attack rather than defense. It's an attitude of a warrior
(pangau); rather than being responsive, it's far more pro-active.
A lot of people feel that silat has become diluted, mitigated. The practice
of 'pentjak' (choreography) has become the end unto itself (like kata
queens), and using a different word differentiates the sorts of practice.
Chas
Steve Gartin
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Actually, any martial art from Indonesia can be termed *silat* - even kuntao
is often called silat. Most of the silat people here have seen is the
*flower* - the practice. Serak principles are taught from the beginning
with the *tendjekan* or striking/grappling - the platform, giving the
student an understanding of angles and levers so that they can train
application of the core concepts. Serak is also known for the *pukulan* or
*poekoelan* - colliding or *crashing in* principle, which seems to be a
consistent thread in the de Thouars family of silat systems. Although Serak
is technically silat, it is as different from most silat as muy thai is from
wushu.
So basically, Pak Vic is adamant about drawing a distinction between the
dancers and magicians of silat and Serak.
Have a great day,
Steve Gartin
www.tendjek.com
Chas
>....Serak is also known for the *pukulan* or
> *poekoelan* - colliding or *crashing in* principle, which seems to be a
> consistent thread in the de Thouars family of silat systems.
And it's one that makes it particularly suitable for opponents that want to
engage from a very close combative distance. Much of silat is concerned with
evasion/avoidance, and the pukulans are very different from that- everything
is done from close contact distance.
Chas
+-
with Libby's grasp of reality, wouldn't Pokemon be more appropriate?
--
+-; the point where things begin and end, where the end is start and start
comes to it's final end.....
story
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> "story" <Enough no more porn spam> wrote
> > > upon us here will inevitably bear after meeting with Serak. If you
> think
> > > silat and Serak are the same thing, you have an awakening awaiting.
> > ????? I thought that Serak was a kind of Silat. Is it not? If not then
> what
> > is the difference?
>
> 'Silat/silek' just means 'fighting' (in simple).
> Serak(tm) is a particular system of silat, of which there are, literally,
> hundreds.
O.K. then Serak is Silat but Silat is not necessarily Serak
> If you've seen 'silat', that doesn't necessarily mean that it was Serak.
I know this. The Silat I have seen is not Serak
> It's all real complicated, and doesn't mean much to anyone but us <g>
IOW just like the differences between some styles of Karate. Doesn't mean
squat unless you actually practice one of the arts under discussion.
Bottom line seems to be that Silat is a collective word like Karate whereas
Serak is a more specific word like Jundokan.
...............................Tom.........................
Chas
whereas
> Serak is a more specific word like Jundokan.
Exactly.
c.
George
> So basically, Pak Vic is adamant about drawing a distinction between the
> dancers and magicians of silat and Serak.
Mr Steve,
I KNOW Pak Vic has shown you Serak magic. I KNOW you can do Serak magic.
Don't ever forget the magic of Serak, it's most important. IIRC, Jerry
McCleary taught a bit of Serak magic on the Blades of Thunder tape.
George
Steve Gartin
for coffee tomorrow at 11AM, so I'm going to continue my very busy day
without scheduling Lispi in. I'll be spending the day with my attorney . .
. you all have his number if you want to contact me . . . and you have my
number, and Chas' . . . AND you all know where my classes are and where the
ODF Seminar is.
Any questions?
Steve Gartin 720-404-1812
www.kuntaosilat.com
www.thunderrock.net
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Steve Gartin
www.kuntaosilat.com/Dougco.htm
Steve Gartin : -)>>>>>>>
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LIBERATOR
Steve Gartin
Once again Mark Zahn has issued challenges and then failed to appear.
www.tendjek.com/kempofirst.htm
Good night.
Steve :-)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
www.kuntaosilat.com
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Earl Camembert
<st...@thunderrock.net> wrote:
>Good day all,
>Once again Mark Zahn has issued challenges and then failed to appear.
>www.tendjek.com/kempofirst.htm
>Good night.
>Steve :-)>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
OK, I will take up the challenge. I don't believe ZZ Top can fight.
LIBERATOR
> Good day all,
> Once again Mark Zahn has issued challenges and then failed to appear.
lol. I didn't appear, so then who did you fight? Who sparred? Oh,
there wasn't any sparring because you don't fight, you only dance.
You didn't give "I accept your challenge and will fight you",
therefore it's clear you're attempting to charge me with assault.
All you have to do is say "I accept your challenge", but we all know
you won't. You made that quite clear by your friend claiming to be a
lawyer saying "I will not waive any laws for Steve Gartin to be hurt".
Remember Gartin? Want me to pull up that post if you've so
conveniently forgot?
But show us the fighting that took place at this seminar. Give any
photo reference of any fighting that took place. Can't can'ya. Cuz you
don't fight, cuz you dont know how.
Invite me for a challenge match if you do. What's wrong?
Steve Gartin
some LIE-BERATOR, et al posts that I didn't respond to, so I'll do my
obligatory 'thanks' for starting a new thread with my name on it and
IDENTIFY LIE-BERATOR, et al as operatives of the Joint Terrorism Task Farce
www.jointterrorismtaskforce.com working en masse under the code name
LIBERATOR, as disinformationalists. This is Jefferson County Sheriff's
Intelligence Donald L. Estep, who can't keep the capslock under control,
working the night shift. Notice the timing of his posts.
I'll also take the time to point out that there has been a long history of
'Libby' stalking us and not showing up at any of *their* challenges
www.kuntaosilat.com/libby.htm.
And, as usual, I'll throw in a plug for posterity ~ or prosperity, to-wit:
Lanka Dua DVD is done and ready for shipment and a special on the Four
Heartless Monkey Knife DVDs is available at: www.kuntaosilat.com/DVDs.html
and at www.heartlessmonkey.com
Ya'll have a nice day now: www.docslaw.com/images/RICO.pdf
Steve Gartin
www.willemdethouars.com
KunTao Lai Lai
Those who have knowledge, don't predict. Those who predict, don't have knowledge.
Let us study firther Moral and mental Strategy which is NEVER taught in American Martial Arts:
The outcome of a fight between warriors was decided by the severity of their wounds.
...one must look beyond the wounds to win the fight. “The purpose of today’s training is to defeat yesterday’s understanding.”
To win any battle, you must fight as if you are already dead. You win battles by knowing the enemy’s timing, and using a timing which the enemy does not expect. The important thing in strategy is to suppress the enemy's useful actions but allow his useless actions.
The path that leads to truth is littered with the bodies of the ignorant.
"Silence is better than unmeaning words."
-Pathagoras
"A system of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mere illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and nothing true."