Rush influence on Metallica
Jonathan Patil
kirk hammet and he mentioned that he got the idea for a solo
from alex for their song The Shortest Straw from the album
And Justice For All.. wicked solo starting off with lots of
pick harmonics.. kirk could not recall the name of the song
however.. but my guess was Kid Gloves or maybe Big Money was
the name he was searching for. Anyone else hear this before?
Erasmus Brown
Jonathan Patil wrote:
solos on Natural Science & Between the Wheels also start off w/pick
harmonics
Debora
It was the intro to "Sanitarium" that led Kirk to give a thank you to
Rush. It says so in the liner notes. Not specifically that song, but I
think it's close.
Kirk can blow Alex's ass out of the water, BTW. Not by feel, of course,
but by his ability to shred. I met him once. Most likely the skinniest
most unhealthy little person I've ever seen. He was in Minneapolis,
looking for heroin (have I got on a heroin thread recently?) in a BAD
way. My bartender was disguisted. Wow, did I used to hang out in
reputable places of what? What a shame, as their show earlier that
evening kicked ass. 3+ hours, with Queensryche giving them a tough act
to follow.
Debora the Drum Rat
Mikel G
I seem to remember that in Metallica's Cliff 'em All video when asked who
there influences were, one of them said "don't forget Rush." I am not sure
who because like I said I have not seen the video in a while.
Mike G
Flukker
>but by his ability to shred. I met him once. >Most likely the skinniest
>most unhealthy little person I've ever seen. >He was in Minneapolis,
>looking for heroin (have I got on a heroin >thread recently?) in a BAD
>way.
I watched an interview once with Metallica where (I think it was) Lars Ulrich
said that Metallica didn't do drugs anymore. HAHA. Of course, maybe your
meeting was several years ago?
Debora
> I watched an interview once with Metallica where (I think it was) Lars Ulrich
> said that Metallica didn't do drugs anymore. HAHA. Of course, maybe your
> meeting was several years ago?
Many years ago. 1990? Wow.
Actually, Met were never a big drug band. I remember an interview where
Hetfield said they used to be "Alcoholica." Some kid printed up T-shirts with
the logo "Drink 'em all" with a bottle of booze coming up from the toilet. They
loved it, and gave that kid free tickets and other assorted stuff.
I really believe that they cleaned up. Lars and James don't even drink too much
anymore, hence their lame recordings lately.
At the time, Kirk looked pretty goddamn sick. I reconigized the signs of H
withdrawal. If I remember correctly (this was during the "..And Justice For All"
tour) he had recently gotten married. Poor guy.
Just to mention, he was very short. Now why did I mention that?
Debora the Drum Rat
PMetz81646
>but by his ability to shred.
Funny, I've never been impressed by Kirk's ability to "shred". If I want to
hear some fast licks I'll take Megadeth,Malmsteen, George Lynch or Eddie Van
Halen anyday. I'm sick of hearing a fucking Wah-Wah petal used on EVERY guitar
solo Kirk does, it's past "getting old". To me, Metallica stopped being a
vital band with the release of the "black" album. They completely pussied out.
They are repeating themselves a lot lately, much like AC/DC who have been
playing the same riffs for 25 years. Their lyrics and riffs are boring me to
tears. What happened to the good old days of "fuck em all and fucking no
regrets"??????????
Debora
> Funny, I've never been impressed by Kirk's ability to "shred".
I don't know, the solo on "Master of Puppets" is pretty damn fast. I can think of
many others but I can see this is getting off-topic. Someone pretty soon will
rudely intrude "What's this got to do with Rush?"
> If I want to
> hear some fast licks I'll take Megadeth,
Yuck. Mustaine does not have a good tone at ALL!!! His solo's tend to be
wuddle-fests.
> Malmsteen,
Absolutely no feeling in his work. He is damn fast, though, and doesn't really
give anyone a chance to forget it. I liked his work in "Alcatraz," though.
> George Lynch
He's alright, but tends to layer his guitar work in an outragous manner. Must be
hard to play 5 guitar parts in concert.
> or Eddie Van
> Halen anyday.
Too much hammering. To really do it right, every note should be picked. Good
musician, though.
> I'm sick of hearing a fucking Wah-Wah petal used on EVERY guitar
> solo Kirk does, it's past "getting old".
I'll give you a break on that comment. He does use that effect a lot, though.
> To me, Metallica stopped being a
> vital band with the release of the "black" album.
I think they lost it around "...And Justice for All." What an absolutely horrid
mix they got on that record, eh? I still cannot listen to it. Maybe the remaster
is better. I friggin' hope so.
The mix on the "Black" album is absolutely perfect. What a deep, thundering drum
sound. Other than that, it's still a downhill slide for James and the boys.
> They completely pussied out.
Yep. Could be having to do with getting older. But, they still play 3 hour shows
and tour in places like Aberdeen Washington and Fargo N. Dakota. That's cool in my
book.
> They are repeating themselves a lot lately,
I stopped buying their stuff after the "Black" release. I dub them now. Not worth
the cash.
> much like AC/DC who have been
> playing the same riffs for 25 years.
Ummmmm, ok. I really like them riffs, though. Nothing succeeds like excess.
> Their lyrics and riffs are boring me to
> tears. What happened to the good old days of "fuck em all and fucking no
> regrets"??????????
They got old, got married, stopped using drugs, cut down on their drinking...
I'm getting kinda sad. At least I haven't done the "married" part yet. I'm still
waiting for Nep to become of legal age. His little jail-bait ass is looking pretty
good lately.
Debora the Drum Rat
DUtter2112
guitar part that sounds like a snippet from By-Tor. Speaking of Pearl Jam
saying Madonna ripped off Rush, but the intro to rearviewmirror on Pearl Jam's
Vs. CD sounds a lot like the intro to New World Man. Any body comment on any
groups that directly influence Rush?
CW
>
> I was reading an old article somewhere on Metallica's guitarist
> kirk hammet and he mentioned that he got the idea for a solo
> from alex for their song The Shortest Straw from the album
> And Justice For All.. wicked solo starting off with lots of
> pick harmonics.. kirk could not recall the name of the song
> however.. but my guess was Kid Gloves or maybe Big Money was
> the name he was searching for. Anyone else hear this before?
Nope, never heard Kirk say that before, but I have heard that
tune, and the "...And Justice For All" album was, for me at
least, Metallica's last great album. I'll have to go back
and listen to that solo again & pick up the Alex in it.
If anyone has Metallica's version of "The Prince" on tape/cd,
check out the slow break in the middle if you get a chance.
Very Rush-esque.
"Thanks to...<long list snipped>...Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson,
and Neil Peart of Rush..."-- Metallica giving thanks in the
liner notes of "Master of Puppets"
--Chuck
Geezer Butler
count them as an influence. I think Pat Benatar helped shape their
little world, too.
H.V.C.
<35E888BC...@ix.netcom.com>...
> PMetz81646 wrote:
>
> > Funny, I've never been impressed by Kirk's ability to "shred".
>
> I don't know, the solo on "Master of Puppets" is pretty damn fast. I can
think of
> many others but I can see this is getting off-topic. Someone pretty soon
will
> rudely intrude "What's this got to do with Rush?"
>
> > If I want to
> > hear some fast licks I'll take Megadeth,
>
> Yuck. Mustaine does not have a good tone at ALL!!! His solo's tend to be
> wuddle-fests.
The lone guitarist in a quintet... man.
--
High Voltage Cable
AIM: NepVolt or JoshCable
Think the time is right for a palace revolution
But where I live the game to play is compromise solution
H.V.C.
still
> waiting for Nep to become of legal age. His little jail-bait ass is looking
pretty
> good lately.
She will be mine. Oh yes, she will be mine. *straps on leather*
Debora
> I guess Deb is really on heroin for the comment that Alex is not able to shred
> like Kirk.
'tis all a matter of opinion. It's not a popular one of this NG for sure, but I
listen to other stuff too. I still play a lot of metal and consequently jam with
guitarists who play both Kirk and Alex. Shredding is in my opinion the consistant
quickness during solo's. Sure, Alex does it (e.g.The Analog Kid, La Villa) but not
to the level of Kirk. Opinion.
> And I guess Neil is not as fast as Lars on double bass too?
Close call. But Charlie from Antrax beats them both.
> Metallica didn't credit Rush for that Sanitarium shit, drum rat. ..
> they wanted to get produced by Gedd who declined but they had several
> conversations around the time through an arrangement with Cliff Burnstein.
> The boys in Metallica have always been respectful to Rush (Cliff Burton was the
> biggest fan-he's the one saying Rush in that video).
Hence the liner notes on MuP. When I mentioned Sanitarium in an earlier post it
was in relation to a harmonic that Kirk and Alex use that are similar. I wasn't
very clear on that.
> But they lack the balls
> to mention Rush these days in a forum like MTV.
I'm really glad they don't. Metallica pretty much suck these days and I wouldn't
want them to mention Rush. Especially on MTV. God, would you really want to see
that??
> Then again, most bands do.
> Their album from 1991 shouldve been called Sad But True. What kind of bullshit
> Witch Hunt rewrite is Holier Than Thou?
Some may say that comparison is equally bullshit.
Debora the Drum Rat
Romerodead
they wanted to get produced by Gedd who declined but they had several
conversations around the time through an arrangement with Cliff Burnstein.
The boys in Metallica have always been respectful to Rush (Cliff Burton was the
to mention Rush these days in a forum like MTV. Then again, most bands do.
yeah right
really impressed with metallica at thier blinding speed andmusical
ability
H.V.C.
<35EB860D...@ix.netcom.com>...
> Romerodead wrote:
>
> > I guess Deb is really on heroin for the comment that Alex is not able to
shred
> > like Kirk.
>
but I
> listen to other stuff too. I still play a lot of metal and consequently jam
with
> guitarists who play both Kirk and Alex. Shredding is in my opinion the
consistant
> quickness during solo's. Sure, Alex does it (e.g.The Analog Kid, La Villa)
but not
> to the level of Kirk. Opinion.
Fact. He can shred as fast, or faster.
> > And I guess Neil is not as fast as Lars on double bass too?
>
> Close call. But Charlie from Antrax beats them both.
We all love Charlie. Who is Charlie?
> > Metallica didn't credit Rush for that Sanitarium shit, drum rat. ..
> > they wanted to get produced by Gedd who declined but they had several
> > conversations around the time through an arrangement with Cliff Burnstein.
> > The boys in Metallica have always been respectful to Rush (Cliff Burton was
the
> > biggest fan-he's the one saying Rush in that video).
>
> Hence the liner notes on MuP. When I mentioned Sanitarium in an earlier post
it
> was in relation to a harmonic that Kirk and Alex use that are similar. I
wasn't
> very clear on that.
>
> > But they lack the balls
> > to mention Rush these days in a forum like MTV.
>
> I'm really glad they don't. Metallica pretty much suck these days and I
wouldn't
> want them to mention Rush. Especially on MTV. God, would you really want to
see
> that??
Haven't they already done that?
> > Then again, most bands do.
> > Their album from 1991 shouldve been called Sad But True. What kind of
bullshit
> > Witch Hunt rewrite is Holier Than Thou?
>
> Some may say that comparison is equally bullshit.
>
> Debbie the Drum Rat
kram
>>quickness during solo's. Sure, Alex does it (e.g.The Analog Kid, La Villa) but not
>>to the level of Kirk. Opinion.
there's good shredding, (satriani,vai,friedman,eric johnson et.
al.).....and then
there's not so good shredding (Hammett).
H.V.C.
<6s83uu$3...@news-central.tiac.net>...
I remember Lars doing an interview with WRIF over here, and Lars went on about
how great Neil's drum solos are, and that he usually can't even listen to his
own without falling asleep. He didn't say Neil was an influence (or maybe he
did, I don't remember *surfs on over to www.wrif.com to look for the
interview*), but he said Neil is really great. I also remember a thing on
another rock station called "Drum Wars". Neil beat Lars, then lost to the
Dream Theater guy.
Snowdog
lars, so what. its all great music just the same. although, my favorite met is
MuoP. new stuff is good, not like it used to be.
wonder what it'd be like if cliff was still around....................
peace
sd..........greg
Erasmus Brown
H.V.C. wrote:
> Mikel G <mi...@tiac.nospam.net> wrote in article
> I also remember a thing on
> another rock station called "Drum Wars". Neil beat Lars, then lost to the
> Dream Theater guy.
WHAT?!?!
Dave
I'm not a big Metallica fan, but I 'appreciate' their abilities and
stage presence. As far as Benetar is concerned, blow it out your ass.
You obviously don't understand, unique, one of a kind talent when you
hear it. don't tell me, you like Green Day and Squirrel Nut Zippers,
there real 'musical genieuses' right?
How old are you anyway sonny? We're you in high school in 80-81 when
'hell is for children' came out? Or Precious Time? Have you ever played
a fucking guitar or sang a note where people weren't actually screaming
at you to shut up cuz you were hurting them?
Grundman
Dave
Rock and Roll Scream'. I am the worlds biggets Rush fan, and like
Triumph, but the HANDS down winner, even if you don't like them, is
Bruce Macdonald (is that right?) the front man/singer for Iron Maiden.
Put on headphones and listen to 'The # of the Beast' or 'Flight of
Icarus' and you'll see. .. er, hear what I mean. It's just hands down,
now contest, even better than what I felt was second best which was
Roger Daltry's EPIC scream in 'The Kids are Allright' (is that the right
song name? the one with the last line of 'meet the new boss.... same as
the old boss'?). And NO, I really ain't big on the who.
Refresh your memory by listening to the Maiden before you flame or
disagree....
Grundman
H.V.C. wrote:
>
> Erasmus Brown <c...@monmouth.ebrown> wrote in article
> <35EC7045...@monmouth.ebrown>...
> Oops... I was wrong. Neil beat the Dream Theater guy. See, this was back in
> 1993, so I don't remember much. But, I do remember calling in to vote for
> Neil. Mazen knows some of this stuff. He has it on tape (still).
>
> Also, there was another call-in deal on the same station (ZRock 102.7) called
> the Nightly Nuke with Wipeout (every Friday). Johnny Cash got nuked with our
> help. Cool. So did Dolly Parton (sp?). Alot of old crappy bands like Warrant
> got nuked. I wish Howard Stern didn't take over that station. Oh wait.... he
> didn't. He took over the all 70's music station. That's good.
H.V.C.
Geezer Butler
opinion about music. Yeah, P.B. has talent. But no substance. I guess
you could say Metallica has a lot of substance, but I don't really
appreciate their talent. I will take this time to apologize to all the
Met and P.B. fans for my rudeness. But really, dude, you need to switch
to decaf. Your underwear is bunched way too tight.
Mikel G
Erasmus Brown wrote in message <35EC7045...@monmouth.ebrown>...
>
>
>H.V.C. wrote:
>
>> Mikel G <mi...@tiac.nospam.net> wrote in article
>> I also remember a thing on
>> another rock station called "Drum Wars". Neil beat Lars, then lost to
the
>> Dream Theater guy.
>
>WHAT?!?!
>
I don't even like or listen to dream theater so I have no idea why my name
is associated with this?
Mike!!!
Debora
> I always wanted to have a radio station 'worlds best Studio recorded
> Rock and Roll Scream'. I am the worlds biggets Rush fan,
Ummmm, okay....And I am The Lizard King.
> and like
> Triumph, but the HANDS down winner, even if you don't like them, is
> Bruce Macdonald (is that right?) the front man/singer for Iron Maiden.
It's "Bruce Dickinson", and yeah, he had a hell of powerful scream, though I thought
the ending of "Run to the Hills" was the most powerful on that on # of the Beast.
That was a great record, but each release after that went a step lower, and then
lower, and then... Dickinson dipped lower and lower into singing with that awful
vibrato voice of his instead of belting out the tunes like his debut with the band.
The only real Maiden was their first 2 releases, and both were a big influence on
Metallica (so were The Misfits, but that's another story). Met released "Garage
Days" and they asked Iron Maiden if they could cover "Run to the Hills." Maiden said
no, so Met kinda hacked it up on that release. Kinda humorous.
> Refresh your memory by listening to the Maiden before you flame or
> disagree....
I can flame you and disagree with you anytime at all, Mr. Bruce "MacDonald", research
guy. My memory is pretty fresh the way it is, thank you very much.
Debora the Drum Rat
Beast of Bourbon
>now contest, even better than what I felt was second best which was
>Roger Daltry's EPIC scream in 'The Kids are Allright' (is that the right
>song name? the one with the last line of 'meet the new boss.... same as
>the old boss'?)
"Won't Get Fooled Again" from 'Who's Next'
Snowdog
to. Examples:
Freewill
Analog Kid
Parts of Natural Science
Camera Eye
Parts of 2112
Parts of The Necromancer
Parts of La Villa
The one thing that separates Alex from some other "shredders" is that A) They do it
constantly and B) He does it more tastefully.
This is my opinion so take that flame thrower you are pointing at me and stick it up yer
bum.
M
Caesar
"Blackout"?
Mike Smith
>I always wanted to have a radio station 'worlds best Studio recorded
>Triumph, but the HANDS down winner, even if you don't like them, is
>Bruce Macdonald (is that right?) the front man/singer for Iron Maiden.
>
>Icarus' and you'll see. .. er, hear what I mean. It's just hands down,
Both top-notch screams.
How 'bout the scream at the end of Cygnus X-1? That used to drive my mother
fucking *nuts*! ;-)
--
Mike Smith. No, the other one.
Debora
> The one thing that separates Alex from some other "shredders" is that A) They do it
> constantly and B) He does it more tastefully.
>
> This is my opinion so take that flame thrower you are pointing at me and stick it up yer
> bum.
This is what I said to begin with., with the exception that I believe there is more than one
thing that seperates Alex and the other "shredders." And Kirk does not do it constantly.
It's kind of a sweeping statement which leads me to believe you know little of what you
say. To do a fair comparison, you need to know about BOTH ends of the spectrum. In case
you also possess a short memory, I wrote that Kirk has Alex beat in an ability to shred, but
not by feel (i.e. taste). This is my opinion so take that pea-shooter you have pointed at
me and go outside and play kickball.
Debora the Drum Rat
Snowdog
a listen to bruce's latest, i think you might like it!!
peace
sd.......greg
H.V.C.
<6sitji$g...@news-central.tiac.net>...
Maybe it's another Mike G using the same ISP... or something...
Debora
> and if you had
> a listen to bruce's latest, i think you might like it!!
Bruce's singing after # of the Beast is the main reason I don't have the stomach for them
anymore. "Tattooed Millianaire?" Puke!!!!!! I'd like to see a complete revamp of the old
'Maiden. Dennis Stratten, Clive Burr, Dave Murray, Paul Di'Anno, and of course, Steve
Harris. How many of these guys are in the current line-up anyway. One? These guys are the
ones that made them and should reunite. Just a dream...
Debora the Drum Rat
analogkid2112
If Bruce Dickinson's next tour stops in San Francisco again, I suggest you
attend. I went to his show at Slim's last January, and I swear, his voice
has come back! He closed with Flight Of Icarus and did the final scream
from the record (I mean, CD... I'm showing my age here!) Maiden canceled
their show at the Maritime Hall last month, so I haven't had a chance to see
the latest "incarnation" live, but I hear that they kick ass! I guess it
would be a disappointment if people are expecting a repeat of their 1985
tour!
Debora wrote in message <35EDF96C...@ix.netcom.com>...
Mikel G
Smith.
H.V.C. wrote in message <01bdd6bf$e07c9300$19434c0c@default>...
>Mikel G <mike...@tiac.nospam.net> wrote in article
><6sitji$g...@news-central.tiac.net>...
>>
>> I don't even like or listen to dream theater so I have no idea why my
Dan Iwerks
> Snowdog wrote:
>
> > and if you had
> > a listen to bruce's latest, i think you might like it!!
>
stomach for them
> anymore. "Tattooed Millianaire?" Puke!!!!!! I'd like to see a complete
revamp of the old
> 'Maiden. Dennis Stratten, Clive Burr, Dave Murray, Paul Di'Anno, and of
course, Steve
> Harris. How many of these guys are in the current line-up anyway. One?
These guys are the
> ones that made them and should reunite. Just a dream...
>
> Debora the Drum Rat
I remember picking up "Tattooed Millionaire" and feeling dirty for a week.
What crap. Then Bruce got his solo album guitarist on for No Prayer for
the Dying. Geez, I remember when A Real Live One/Dead One/Absolute Shit
One came out. Listened to it once, managed to make it most of the way
through a second time. Bruce encouraging the crowd to sing along in Heaven
Can Wait was painful.
I'll take Somewhere in Time and Powerslave over Killers any day. The
IM/Killers era was pretty good, but I hear it and it sounds like it could
be someone else. Good rockin' metal and all. Somewhere in Time has a real
distinctive sound to me, all the harmonizing guitars and Dickinson's voice
actually working well. Plus the lyrics are more intriguing--Heaven Can
Wait, Wasted Years, The Loneliness etc etc.
--
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"Everything is funny, it just depends to whom."
Dan Iwerks <*> dan_i...@ncs.com
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wonky...@my-dejanews.com
Yeesh... I hope we're not talking about Kirk "Hi, I'm The Most Overrated
Guitarist On The Planet" Hammett. I generally tend to not ever join into "He
Sucks/No...HE sucks" musicianship arguments. However, the on-going deification
of Kirk Hammett has stuck in my craw for a VERY long time.
The guy has some technical facility, I will give you that. Some of the things
he has played on Metallica records are VERY VERY fast, but to me, that's the
extent of nice things I can say about him.
I know lots of 13 year-old guitar players that can play some very fast licks.
All it takes is some dedication and practice with a metronome, and you too
can play at "Hammett speed". What Kirk has obviously never learned to do
however, is play with any kind of groove or feel. He never learned about good
vibrato. He never learned good taste when it comes to note choice. His solos
sound like long chains of "Hot Licks" that have no relation to the
surrounding material... "OK, here's lick number one... NAILED IT!! ON TO
NUMBER TWO!! Boy, WON'T THE KIDS BE IMPRESSED BY THIS ONE!!!"
I am not a crusader against fast guitar playing. I find it very exciting when
it's used by a guitarist who is obviously a thoughtful player... like a Steve
Morse, an Eric Johnson, or a Steve Vai. I've never felt that Alex Lifeson's
"fast" stuff was his strongest (to me, "Limelight" has one of the greatest
guitar solos of all time -- it's got wonderful taste, note choice, tone, and a
nice little zippy lick at the end). I don't think Hammett deserves to even be
mentioned in the same breath as these other players. I'd actually prefer it if
he never picked up a guitar again. I am offended by his playing.
I LOVE James Hetfield, though. Now THERE'S a guitar player! ;-)
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Debora
> I remember picking up "Tattooed Millionaire" and feeling dirty for a week.
His remake of the Bowie "All the Young Dudes" was so disrespectful.
> What crap. Then Bruce got his solo album guitarist on for No Prayer for
> the Dying. Geez, I remember when A Real Live One/Dead One/Absolute Shit
> One came out. Listened to it once, managed to make it most of the way
> through a second time. Bruce encouraging the crowd to sing along in Heaven
> Can Wait was painful.
He's kinda funny that way in concert...
> I'll take Somewhere in Time and Powerslave over Killers any day. The
> IM/Killers era was pretty good, but I hear it and it sounds like it could
> be someone else.
It WAS someone else. The drummer. No one can do a heavy metal slow song like
Clive Burr. He had such a touch. I used to play that stuff when I was 17 or
something. I was studying jazz and stuff and tried to play along with some
early (well, it was newer at the time. The first Maiden was 1980) Maiden.
"Charlotte the Harlot" really blew me away, as did "Phantom of the Opera (try
and find a band to cover that properly)". Clive was the quintessential metal
drummer. Aggressive, feel, nice hair, and all. Then came Nicko, and it all
fell apart.
> Good rockin' metal and all. Somewhere in Time has a real
> distinctive sound to me, all the harmonizing guitars and Dickinson's voice
> actually working well. Plus the lyrics are more intriguing--Heaven Can
> Wait, Wasted Years, The Loneliness etc etc.
Dickinson's lyrics are better, but again, his voice. Ug. Actually, to
compliment Nicko McBrains drumming skills, the intro the "Wasted Years" is
freakin' tough to do. To break it down, his left HH foot is, ummmmmmmm, well,
his bass drum foot is keeping straight time with the meter with 16th notes on
the HH with, ...DAMN. Just listen. It's not easy to do. The rest of his
drumming is predictable, though. But THAT song...whew.
Debora the Drum Rat
David Tremaine
>It WAS someone else. The drummer. No one can do a heavy metal slow song like
>Clive Burr. He had such a touch.
Clive's drumming always sounds heavy-handed and deliberate to me. Listen
to his version of "Hallowed be thy Name" and compare it to Nicko's
masterful one on "Live After Death."
>I used to play that stuff when I was 17 or
>something. I was studying jazz and stuff and tried to play along with some
>early (well, it was newer at the time. The first Maiden was 1980) Maiden.
>"Charlotte the Harlot" really blew me away, as did "Phantom of the Opera (try
>and find a band to cover that properly)". Clive was the quintessential metal
>drummer. Aggressive, feel, nice hair, and all. Then came Nicko, and it all
>fell apart.
Yeah, then came Nicko, a heavy-metal drummer with great technique,
creativity, speed, and a light touch. With Nicko, Maiden were able to
explore the more progressive side of metal and produce their two greatest
albums: _Somewhere in Time_ and _Seventh Son of a Seventh Son_.
>> Good rockin' metal and all. Somewhere in Time has a real
>> distinctive sound to me, all the harmonizing guitars and Dickinson's voice
>> actually working well. Plus the lyrics are more intriguing--Heaven Can
>> Wait, Wasted Years, The Loneliness etc etc.
>
>Dickinson's lyrics are better, but again, his voice.
Dickinson's lyrics are better? Listen to _Accident of Birth_ - it'll
cure you of that opinion. :)
>Ug. Actually, to
>compliment Nicko McBrains drumming skills, the intro the "Wasted Years" is
>freakin' tough to do. To break it down, his left HH foot is, ummmmmmmm, well,
>his bass drum foot is keeping straight time with the meter with 16th notes on
>the HH with, ...DAMN. Just listen. It's not easy to do. The rest of his
>drumming is predictable, though.
More predictable than Clive's? That's a laugh. Listen to the title track
of SSoaSS and tell me honestly that Clive could have acquited himself as
well as Nicko on this difficult song. Or check out the song "Wasted
Years." Most drummers would have just played a straight-forward 4/4 beat
during most of that tune, but Nicko adds in all these fills right when you
least expect it. Awesome!
David (a HUGE Maiden fan!)
Debora
than Clive. Even one of my favorite guitarists (I stuck my boot up his ass, but
that's a different story). Perhaps I'm reminiscing to a simpler time in heavy
metal, when all was kind and good <birds chirping>. Perhaps I'll just say, the
first 2 records were Iron Maiden to *ME*. And we all know that's important, eh?
I've also received a few e-mails recommending that I see the Bruce Dicksonson band
and the current IM line-up. Maybe I will. I haven't seen Steve Harris in a
looonnggg time. Has he gotten fat and pock marked yet? If all my facts are right,
he's the only original member left.
Please, David, don't take my Clive Burr from me!!! (he's better, ya know)
Debora the Drum Rat
David Tremaine
>Okay, ok, ok....You got me. I've heard many a musician say that Nicko is better
>than Clive. Even one of my favorite guitarists (I stuck my boot up his ass, but
>that's a different story). Perhaps I'm reminiscing to a simpler time in heavy
>metal, when all was kind and good <birds chirping>. Perhaps I'll just say, the
>first 2 records were Iron Maiden to *ME*. And we all know that's important, eh?
Actually, if you visit alt.rock-n-roll.metal.ironmaiden, you'll find a
reasonably large contingent of people who also think that Clive is the
best, so you're not alone! But I still think most fans would agree that
you can't beat Nicko's work during Maiden's so-called "golden era", i.e.
_Piece of Mind_ - _Seventh Son of a Seventh Son_. But some fans have
recently been complaining that Nicko hasn't been doing enough of his fancy
tom fills recently. I'm not sure I really agree with this.
>I've also received a few e-mails recommending that I see the Bruce Dicksonson band
>and the current IM line-up.
Bruce's band now includes the much-worshipped Adrian Smith, and his last
solo album, _Accident of Birth_, is a pretty cool metal album. He even
managed to get Derek Riggs to do the cover art.
Bruce's followup to AoB is due out in September is called _Chemical
Wedding_ (I think).
>Maybe I will. I haven't seen Steve Harris in a
>looonnggg time. Has he gotten fat and pock marked yet?
Nahh...he looks to be in good shape (plays a lot of soccer, I think).
>If all my facts are right,
>he's the only original member left.
No, Dave Murray is also still in the band. The current line-up is as
follows:
Steve Harris (bass)
Dave Murrary (lead guitar)
Janick Gers (lead guitar)
Nick McBrain (drums)
Blaze Bayley (vocals)
>Please, David, don't take my Clive Burr from me!!! (he's better, ya know)
Actually, I don't want to be too hard on Clive. He did have his moments,
and he definitely knew how to keep a rock-solid beat.
David
analogkid2112
has always wished he'd picked up the drums. Aren't most bass players in
this predicament?) I think Nicko's better though, but then again, the band
recorded their most intricate stuff with him.
In the official biography, "Run To The Hills", the author says that nowadays
Clive can be found driving a cab. It's not too bad I guess, I used to play
in a semi-popular local band, and now I can be found doing accounting!!!
: )
JustSayOz
"Countdown to Extinction," I was pretty sure that Megadeth's lineup
would stay the same for a long time. It just blew me away that they
could get rid of him, just like that, but I guess if things aren't
working out in a band, then you have to do something... Now, I haven't
heard Jimmy Degresso (I think that's how it's spelled) play with deth
yet, but he's got some big shoes to fill!
-JustSayOz
analogkid2112
health issues? It might be old news though.
JustSayOz wrote in message <35F2E1C8...@hotmail.com>...
JustSayOz
health issues. Jimmy took over during that period, but things worked
out so well, that they decided to make him a permanent replacement.
Doug Taylor
> It WAS someone else. The drummer. No one can do a heavy metal slow song like Clive Burr. He had such a touch.
I liked a lot of his drumming on the Number of the Beast album,
especially for The Prisoner.
But my favourite (sounding) lineup was for Piece of Mind. Maybe it was
Nicko's slightly more legato-like fills, or the pitch range of the drums
he used, or the rhythm guitar and bass fitting underneath the solos.
Steve Harris and Dave Murray are the only original guys in the band.
And I thought it was mainly Steve who used to write the lyrics.
What about his lyrics on the early albums? They seemed to have a kind
of tongue-in-cheek evilness about them, but with an intelligence that
made it work more like a story, not a million miles away from Neil's
sword and sorcery stuff perhaps?
Doug