That asshole Jared Lee Loughner...
Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger
Mike Smith
> ...makes Libby seem like Ben Stein in comparison.
That would've been a more apt analogy before I discovered that Stein is
a fan of ID.
--
Mike Smith
Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger
Yeah, Ben was the first person that popped into my head. I would have
typed Bill Buckley or George Plimpton, but they don't produce much
work anymore...
Artisan
"Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger" <damon...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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You just know that somehow the EIB network will find a way to spin this
incident to make it look like a simple case of the lefties got what they
deserved. I sure hope against it, but I'm not betting against it.
The Professor
> "Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger" <damonhy...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:04154018-400b-4612...@g26g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
Wanna bet on it?
The Professor (I'll take the side that Limbaugh does not say anything
like "the lefties got what they deserved")
Artisan
"The Professor" <shor...@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 9, 3:07 pm, "Artisan" <ar...@nospamplease.net.invalid> wrote:
> "Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger" <damonhy...@gmail.com> wrote in
> messagenews:04154018-400b-4612...@g26g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...
>
> >On Jan 9, 12:25 am, Mike Smith <smit...@optonline.net> wrote:
> > On 1/8/2011 5:38 PM, Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger wrote:
>
> > > ...makes Libby seem like Ben Stein in comparison.
>
> > That would've been a more apt analogy before I discovered that Stein is
> > a fan of ID.
>
> > --
> > Mike Smith
> >Yeah, Ben was the first person that popped into my head. I would have
> >typed Bill Buckley or George Plimpton, but they don't produce much
> >work anymore...
>
> You just know that somehow the EIB network will find a way to spin this
> incident to make it look like a simple case of the lefties got what they
> deserved. I sure hope against it, but I'm not betting against it.
>Wanna bet on it?
No, I explicitly said I'm /not/ betting. I really do hope they take the
high ground.
The Professor
> "The Professor" <shorw...@twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
You said you're not "betting AGAINST" it. I took that to mean you
might be willing to bet FOR it.
The Professor (my offer stands - put your confidence in Limbaugh's
evil and your money where your mouth is :) )
Artisan
You took wrong.
>The Professor (my offer stands - put your confidence in Limbaugh's
>evil and your money where your mouth is :) )
What makes you think I've ever talked about Limbaugh? I just plain detest
all of the leftie/rightie radio rant-slant shows. Political party and
on-air personality don't enter into it. Whenever a tragedy happens to
anyone in politics, the first thing I see is people from the opposing side
celebrating. It's always a "victory" of some kind for the opponents of
either political party, and the blogosphere just amplifies it even more.
That "Confidence in Limbaugh's evil" snipe was out of left field. It ends
here.
~M~
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>>The Professor (my offer stands - put your confidence in Limbaugh's
>>evil and your money where your mouth is :) )
>
> What makes you think I've ever talked about Limbaugh?
Probably what you said:
"You just know that somehow the EIB network will find a way to spin this
incident to make it look like a simple case of the lefties got what they
deserved."
> I just plain detest all of the leftie/rightie radio rant-slant shows.
Your distaste for the rightie ones is apparent.
> Political party and on-air personality don't enter into it.
It does when you assign tasteless celebrations to the political party or
on-air personality.
> Whenever a tragedy happens to anyone in politics, the first thing I see is
> people from the opposing side celebrating.
You even see it before it happens...
--
"He was a wise man who invented beer"
- Plato
John Nichel
The first thought which popped into my head when my wife told me about
this was, "Arizona elected a Democrat?"
iDonkey
> this was, "Arizona elected a Democrat?"
Ever hear of the King of all RINOs, John McCain (D)?
The liberals are trying to leverage the murder of people including a
9-year old girl blaming Palin and Angle for "hate" speech, etc.
However, this idiot appears to be a liberal pothead:
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/01/jared_loughner_alleged_shooter.php
Donkey
--
"I'm a Donkey on the edge..."
iDonkey
>
> No, I explicitly said I'm /not/ betting. I really do hope they take
> the high ground.
"Liberals" already trying to politically profit from murder:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47338.html
norborder
"John Nichel" sayed:
Well, she's young and has a nice tan.
Mike Smith
> On Jan 9, 12:25 am, Mike Smith<smit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On 1/8/2011 5:38 PM, Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger wrote:
>>
>>> ...makes Libby seem like Ben Stein in comparison.
>>
>> That would've been a more apt analogy before I discovered that Stein is
>> a fan of ID.
>
> typed Bill Buckley or George Plimpton, but they don't produce much
> work anymore...
Well, especially not Buckley! <ba-dum-tish!>
--
Mike Smith
Mike Smith
Agreed. He's smart enough not to *say* it...
--
Mike Smith
Artisan
"~M~" <~M~@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Artisan" <ar...@nospamplease.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:igd8t3$62v$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>>>The Professor (my offer stands - put your confidence in Limbaugh's
>>>evil and your money where your mouth is :) )
>>
>> What makes you think I've ever talked about Limbaugh?
>
> Probably what you said:
> "You just know that somehow the EIB network will find a way to spin this
> incident to make it look like a simple case of the lefties got what they
> deserved."
EIB (at least the local affiliate up here) is not a 24-hour Limbaugh
station, it's also a combination of Sean Hannity and Jason Lewis and Matt
Drudge and so on. Just like Air America was not just Al Franken but also
people like Mark Green and Arianna Huffington and that stupid Mike Malloy
idiot.
>> I just plain detest all of the leftie/rightie radio rant-slant shows.
>
> Your distaste for the rightie ones is apparent.
And yet you don't seem to have any problem with any of the things I said
criticizing Obama's lavish vacations when he should be staying in the White
House and not wasting the taxpayer money during a double-dip recession.
It's funny how quickly you assume I'm some kind of socialist today but never
called me a neocon when my criticisms went the other way. You are cherry
picking today.
>> Political party and on-air personality don't enter into it.
>
> It does when you assign tasteless celebrations to the political party or
> on-air personality.
And I did neither. EIB is not a political party and it's not Rush Limbaugh,
it's multiple broadcast personalities that balance out the lefty loonies
announcers from MSNBC and Air America.
I'll type it for you one more time: MY OPINION IS THAT BOTH OF THESE SIDES
SUCK. They are flip sides of the same grimy coin. You never complained any
of the times I said anything against the Obamabots. The one time I mention
the local EIB station, you accuse me of being partisan.
Despite how anti-FOX a lot of people are, I noticed they handled this story
with dignity and civility while the "blogosphere" made with their usual
holy-war fingerpointing and cursing and shouting. FBN was a model of
professionalism here, so props to FOX.
(One more thing to mention... I was out of town for a memorial service all
day Saturday and so the first I heard about this was on Usenet way after the
fact. So I am still playing catchup here. I'm sure its been discussed to
death elsewhere and that I've missed most of it. But this weekend it
couldn't be helped.)
So, are we all cleared up, or do you need to make any more "partisan" shots
at me based on cherry-picking my comments? I'm running out of tolerance for
it very quickly.
Jeff Blanks
Mike Smith <smi...@optonline.net> wrote:
Uh, Plimpton, too, alas...
--
"When someone serves you coffee, don't go looking for beer in it."
--Anton Chekhov
Jeff Blanks
iDonkey <don...@thistlebush.com> wrote:
Who keeps going on about the Fed and the gold standard and
nullification, AIUI. Point is, right-wing leaders stoke an atmosphere
of violent rhetoric toward Dems and liberals, and nuts respond by
shooting Dems and liberals. It's an established pattern by now--what
the shooter particularly believes is, to be blunt, of secondary
importance.
Jeff Blanks
No, but I've already seen a Facebook post from an acquaintance that
essentially boiled down to "the lefties should've *expected* it". As if
*health care reform* was something that should Push Good People To The
Edge...
Mike Smith
> In article<feydnTLyLfnQFbfQ...@supernews.com>,
> Mike Smith<smi...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/9/2011 12:44 PM, Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger wrote:
>>> On Jan 9, 12:25 am, Mike Smith<smit...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>> On 1/8/2011 5:38 PM, Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...makes Libby seem like Ben Stein in comparison.
>>>>
>>>> That would've been a more apt analogy before I discovered that Stein is
>>>> a fan of ID.
>>>
>>> Yeah, Ben was the first person that popped into my head. I would have
>>> typed Bill Buckley or George Plimpton, but they don't produce much
>>> work anymore...
>>
>> Well, especially not Buckley!<ba-dum-tish!>
>>
>> --
>> Mike Smith
>
> Uh, Plimpton, too, alas...
Oh, mmm, yeah, right. <grimace> Maybe we can get Christopher and
Martha to stand in...
--
Mike "and get Alan Alda to make a movie about Martha" Smith
~M~
> So, are we all cleared up, or do you need to make any more "partisan"
> shots at me based on cherry-picking my comments? I'm running out of
> tolerance for it very quickly.
I can't imagine why someone would think you are talking about Rush Limbaugh
when you talk about the EIB network, since he is the EIB network, and it's
just a way for him to describe his own show. I wouldn't call your comments
partisan - I would call them misguided. My criticism isn't about your
opinion of Rush Limbaugh or the EIB Network, it's of the fact that you
think there is a difference between the two. I'll be perfectly to put any of
those other hosts on my shit list though, if any of them insinuated that any
of those victims had it coming. Well?
--
"Men generally believe what they wish."
- Gaius Julius Caesar
Artisan
> "Artisan" <ar...@nospamplease.net.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ige2p0$tmv$1...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
>> So, are we all cleared up, or do you need to make any more "partisan"
>> shots at me based on cherry-picking my comments? I'm running out of
>> tolerance for it very quickly.
>
> I can't imagine why someone would think you are talking about Rush
> Limbaugh when you talk about the EIB network, since he is the EIB network,
> and it's just a way for him to describe his own show.
I have most definitely heard other broadcasters doing the EIB program, even
as late as last week. And as I already explained, it's besides the point. I
say again, BOTH SIDES SUCK as far as rant-radio goes. Why you keep snipping
that, I may never know.
> I wouldn't call your comments partisan - I would call them misguided.
Ah. okay, that's fair enough I guess.
My criticism isn't about your
> opinion of Rush Limbaugh or the EIB Network, it's of the fact that you
> think there is a difference between the two. I'll be perfectly to put any
> of those other hosts on my shit list though, if any of them insinuated
> that any of those victims had it coming. Well?
(argh...)
For the last time, I wasn't making a challenge or a "bet" of any kind. I got
back in town late Saturday night from an all-day service. When I finally
read about the shooting online, my cynical world-weariness kicked in. "I
hope not, but I wouldn't bet on it" is a /figure of speech/, nothing more
nothing less. Treat it as one. (You might rightly argue that I should keep
idle thoughts to myself, or learn to express myself with greater clarity,
but what's done is done.)
Left or right doesn't matter to me. Rant is still rant, slant is still
slant. It wasn't always like this. We used to have Edward Murrow. Today we
have "infotainment" instead.
Today's topic appears to have been "vitriol" in the media and public
discourse. As no surprise, the lefties were trying to paint every single
Republican with the same broad brush, while the righties made the case that
Obama also uses very aggressive language, all while the rant broadcasters
were doing angry defensive tirades against the Arizona sheriff who was
simply speaking out against all the vitriol. I got tired of it all, and
switched over to the Fox news channel which has been consistently dignified
in its daytime coverage. And that's where I shall leave this.
~M~
> I have most definitely heard other broadcasters doing the EIB program,
> even as late as last week. And as I already explained, it's besides the
> point. I say again, BOTH SIDES SUCK as far as rant-radio goes. Why you
> keep snipping that, I may never know.
Because I wasn't addressing it. Quoting a lengthy passage of discourse that
I see no need to address is just a waste of space. I wish everyone would do
that.
> For the last time, I wasn't making a challenge or a "bet" of any kind. I
> got back in town late Saturday night from an all-day service. When I
> finally read about the shooting online, my cynical world-weariness kicked
> in. "I hope not, but I wouldn't bet on it" is a /figure of speech/,
> nothing more nothing less. Treat it as one.
That is what I will do.
> (You might rightly argue that I should keep idle thoughts to myself, or
> learn to express myself with greater clarity, but what's done is done.)
It wouldn't be fun if there were no idle thoughts to pick at.
> Today's topic appears to have been "vitriol" in the media and public
> discourse. As no surprise, the lefties were trying to paint every single
> Republican with the same broad brush, while the righties made the case
> that Obama also uses very aggressive language, all while the rant
> broadcasters were doing angry defensive tirades against the Arizona
> sheriff who was simply speaking out against all the vitriol. I got tired
> of it all, and switched over to the Fox news channel which has been
> consistently dignified in its daytime coverage. And that's where I shall
> leave this.
Agreed. It will be the first amendment, not the second, that is going to
face the biggest assault after this one.
--
"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."
- Voltaire
Artisan
> "Artisan" <ar...@nospamplease.net.invalid> wrote in message
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>
>> I have most definitely heard other broadcasters doing the EIB program,
>> even as late as last week. And as I already explained, it's besides the
>> point. I say again, BOTH SIDES SUCK as far as rant-radio goes. Why you
>> keep snipping that, I may never know.
>
> Because I wasn't addressing it. Quoting a lengthy passage of discourse
> that I see no need to address is just a waste of space. I wish everyone
> would do that.
>
>
>> learn to express myself with greater clarity, but what's done is done.)
>
> It wouldn't be fun if there were no idle thoughts to pick at.
Did you catch Jon Stewart's thoughts on the topic? When he drops the humor
he's a surprisingly thoughtful dude.
Handover Phist
>
> Did you catch Jon Stewart's thoughts on the topic? When he drops the humor
> he's a surprisingly thoughtful dude.
Understatement. He's got more influence than he admits to knowing, and
he has earned it. Seems to me it might be put in the right hands too.
--
I'm killing the Earth!
~M~
> Did you catch Jon Stewart's thoughts on the topic?
I haven't. I'm usually out cold by the time he comes on.
> When he drops the humor he's a surprisingly thoughtful dude.
I have seen that side of him. I would say his humor is often on the
thoughtful side, too. I tend to agree more with what the guys on South Park
have to say, but Stewart is not unreasonable much of the time.
--
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and
deserve to get it good and hard."
- H.L. Mencken
Artisan
"Handover Phist" <ja...@jason.websterscafe.com> wrote in message
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> Artisan :
>>
>> Did you catch Jon Stewart's thoughts on the topic? When he drops the
>> humor
>> he's a surprisingly thoughtful dude.
>
> Understatement. He's got more influence than he admits to knowing, and
> he has earned it. Seems to me it might be put in the right hands too.
Okay, I just found this today elsenet. I'm sure the writer is just
indulging in some "Usenet Performance Art", but since the libs are trying to
draw a direct line from Palin to the shootings, maybe this guy is offering
what he thinks is an honest counterpoint. Or perhaps he's just trying to
stir up trouble... anyway, here's the quoted text.
==================================================
"doug" <hogr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> What would you do if you're told this every day by people you vote
> for, by people you support, if the movies you go see tell you that
> your government was behind the downing of the [World] Trade Center and
> the Pentagon on 9/11 as the movie "Zeitgeist" did, the documentary? If
> you were told by Michael Moore that all of this was done on purpose,
> if you're told that the rich have taken what's rightfully yours, if
> you're bombarded with this every day as part of a political message,
> what would you be capable of doing? What might it drive you to do?
>
> We could easily say that the left is responsible for Tucson and events
> like Tucson because it is the left which routinely, regularly,
> continually agitates, abuses, punishes, fines, name-calls. The left
> creates this environment in which the individual is smothered, treated
> as worthless and degraded. The left is constantly telling us how
> horrible we are, how horrible our country is. The left's leader runs
> around the world apologizing for this country, how unfair and unjust
> our economic system is, how our major corporations are out to kill
> you, to screw you, to rip you off. They create this environment of
> pessimism, of self-hate and loathing, desperation. They turn citizen
> against citizen, blacks against whites, men against women, Hispanics
> against whoever, you name it. People are constantly at war with each
> other.
==================================================
I'm still not sure... would all that be trolling or actual opinion?