Mike Portnoy Slams Peart In Metal Sludge
Dougeman
10. Rate the following drummers on a scale of 1 to 10. 1 being somebody with
no rhythm and 10 being the man. Peter Criss = Criss 1976 was a 10 and a god to
me, Criss 1996 gets an 8 for effort, and Criss 2000 is a 3 and should've quit
while he was ahead
Joey Kramer = 5 - OK drummer, but I never cared much about Aerosmith
Vinnie Paul = 9 - Vinnie fucking rocks! Great feet, great power and cool
grooves...Gotta lose the bandana though.. Rikki Rockett = 2 - Gimme a break!
Nice guy though...met him in '93
Tommy Lee = 8 - Rock solid (no pun intended!) Loved the first 2 Motley albums
at the time ('82ish) and he got me started with double bass back then..
Neil Peart = Once again, like Peter Criss - A big whopping 10 back in the
day...nobody could've been a bigger influence on me back then....but now he
should give it a rest and try to play something new (forget that jazz crap)
Lars Ulrich = An 8 pre-Bob Rock, and a 3 post-Bob Rock and Live
Eric Singer = Was never a no-makeup Kiss fan, but I liked the first Badlands
album. Plus Eric's a nice guy to me....so I'll say 7
Charlie Benante = 9 - Charlie was a big influence for me back in the
mid-80's...I loved the 1st SOD album and the first 3 Anthrax albums...I also
respect his writing and think he's a cool guy...We have alot of the same
interests (same music, films, TV shows, etc...)
Nicko McBrain = An 8 just for the Piece of Mind and Powerslave albums
alone...Nicko's also a great guy who's alot of fun to hang out with....
11. Since you were extremely involved in the project, how do feel in regards
to Neil Peart's comment that all the bands on the Rush tribute album were "bar
bands"?
Yeah that was fucked up...Especially because Dream Theater, Skid Row, Mr. Big
and alot of the other musicians and bands involved on that tribute sell ALOT
more records outside of North America than Rush does...Once you go to Europe or
South America or Japan or wherever, Rush is not popular at all...and I figured
by putting this tribute together, we'd introduce a whole new generation of kids
to who one of our big influences was.... I guess Neil's people-skills are
really lacking...I feel sorry for him with all the personal shit he's been
through recently, but I lost all respect for him as a person after all the work
I put into that CD.... We were just paying tribute and trying to say thanks,
but he apparently took it as us trying to make money off Rush's name which
certainly wasn't the case...
12. Was Sebastian Bach a pain in the ass to work with on the Rush tribute
album?
haha! Actually, I really like Baz and think he's a fucking pisser... But the
fact of the matter is: most of these stupid tribute albums are all done through
the mail..meaning none of these line-ups ever even play together! His vocal
tracks were done months after my drum tracks... On this particular CD though,
me and Billy Sheehan DID actually do our tracks together which was very cool
because Billy's fucking awesome and I really enjoyed working with him for those
couple of days...
Douglas Maher
"I still think metallica have turned into a bunch of fucking corporate pigs.
You sold out to your record company and lawyers with this lawsuit. In fact,
you sold out years ago. Suck my dick." - Nikki Sixx
The Professor
Been listening to a lot of DT on Netradio and I've come to the following
conclusion:
They are MUCH better when covering material than when doing their own stuff.
They are very fine musicians, but they just can't write songs that grab me
with any feeling. Others may disagree, but they just leave me cold. Their
covers (Elton, Zep, and others) are awesome though.
The Professor (ziiiiiiiip)
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YYZkid
<< They are MUCH better when covering material than when doing their own stuff.
They are very fine musicians, but they just can't write songs that grab me
with any feeling. Others may disagree, but they just leave me cold. Their
covers (Elton, Zep, and others) are awesome though. >>
Whoa...imagine that. Prof missing the mark. Again. ;)
Actually, my little Bro turned me on to DT's Images and Words CD which, IMO, is
a brilliant collection of superb musicianship intertwined with abstract lyrics
that conjure up images of romance, chivalry, and fantasy. Prof, please give
"Surrounded" another listen.
DT's latest works, however, do seem to be a confusing mess of one instrument
trying to out-perform the other. Shame, that.
And as for Portnoy, well, take away one of his bass drums and suddenly he's not
that great anymore.
But...new King's X...very interesting...
Kid
Rhammes99
gotten better over the years, not worse!
Josh Cable
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> This is from Mike's 20 questions on Metal- Sludge.com
> Neil Peart = Once again, like Peter Criss - A big whopping 10 back in the
> day...nobody could've been a bigger influence on me back then....but now he
> should give it a rest and try to play something new (forget that jazz crap)
So he's contradicting himself.
Matthew D. Sullivan
>Peter Criss = Criss 1976 was a 10 and a god to me
No comments necessary here.
>Neil Peart = Once again, like Peter Criss - A big whopping 10 back in the
>day...nobody could've been a bigger influence on me back then....but now he
>should give it a rest and try to play something new (forget that jazz crap)
Uh, he IS playing something new. And it's not jazz. I guess we can
only conclude from this that Mike Portnoy doesn't like jazz. Oh well.
>11. Since you were extremely involved in the project, how do feel in regards
>to Neil Peart's comment that all the bands on the Rush tribute album were "bar
>bands"?
(Of course this was not Neil's comment, but why let the truth
interfere...)
>Yeah that was fucked up...Especially because Dream Theater, Skid Row, Mr. Big
>and alot of the other musicians and bands involved on that tribute sell ALOT
>more records outside of North America than Rush does...Once you go to Europe or
>South America or Japan or wherever, Rush is not popular at all...
You'd think he'd know better. Neil was not criticizing the Working
Man musicians on the basis on their popularity. For a fan, he doesn't
seem to know much about the man.
>and I figured
>by putting this tribute together, we'd introduce a whole new generation of kids
>to who one of our big influences was.... I guess Neil's people-skills are
>really lacking...I feel sorry for him with all the personal shit he's been
>through recently, but I lost all respect for him as a person after all the work
>I put into that CD.... We were just paying tribute and trying to say thanks,
>but he apparently took it as us trying to make money off Rush's name which
>certainly wasn't the case...
Obviously, the members of Rush objected to the piece-work nature of
the album, with no real interpretations. Just a hodgepodge of
musicians recording their individual part and mailing it in. This
truly was an insult to the songs themselves, and I am amazed that a
professional musician would not recognize this.
He may be right that Neil doesn't have "people skills" in the
mainstream sense. But it sure shouldn't change one's respect for the
man.
You can also recognize that familiar bitterness that occurs when
someone you love doesn't love you back...
-Matt S.
SonicJam
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> Been listening to a lot of DT on Netradio and I've come to the following
> conclusion:
>
stuff.
Isn't it a sign that they do a better job with those songs than the original
artists did? Heh
> They are very fine musicians, but they just can't write songs that grab me
> with any feeling. Others may disagree, but they just leave me cold.
Their
> covers (Elton, Zep, and others) are awesome though.
I really like the Elton John covers, they did Goodbye Yellow Brick Road on
the '98 Fanclub CD, and it's even better than Love Lies Bleeding on A Change
of Seasons.
As for 'feeling,' I kind of see what you mean. I love DT, and they do it
for me, but I had an experience similar to yours with Fates Warning. The
first album I got, didn't do it for me at all. . .but it was just that
album. Give them another chance, and listen to Scenes from a Memory in the
dark.
--
arattle
Enterpreneur Extraordinaire
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And racing around to come up behind you again
The sun is the same in the relative way but you're older
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death' --Roger Waters
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tim gueguen
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> "The Professor" <sgho...@aol.comrade> wrote in message
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> > Been listening to a lot of DT on Netradio and I've come to the following
> > conclusion:
> >
> > They are MUCH better when covering material than when doing their own
> stuff.
>
> Isn't it a sign that they do a better job with those songs than the
original
> artists did? Heh
>
tim gueguen 101867
Rich
Dougeman wrote in message <20000620033325...@ng-cv1.aol.com>...
>This is from Mike's 20 questions on Metal- Sludge.com
>
>10. Rate the following drummers on a scale of 1 to 10. 1 being somebody
with
>no rhythm and 10 being the man. Peter Criss = Criss 1976 was a 10 and a god
to
>me, Criss 1996 gets an 8 for effort, and Criss 2000 is a 3 and should've
quit
>while he was ahead
>Joey Kramer = 5 - OK drummer, but I never cared much about Aerosmith
>Vinnie Paul = 9 - Vinnie fucking rocks! Great feet, great power and cool
>grooves...Gotta lose the bandana though.. Rikki Rockett = 2 - Gimme a
break!
>Nice guy though...met him in '93
>Tommy Lee = 8 - Rock solid (no pun intended!) Loved the first 2 Motley
albums
>at the time ('82ish) and he got me started with double bass back then..
>Neil Peart = Once again, like Peter Criss - A big whopping 10 back in the
>day...nobody could've been a bigger influence on me back then....but now he
>should give it a rest and try to play something new (forget that jazz crap)
>Lars Ulrich = An 8 pre-Bob Rock, and a 3 post-Bob Rock and Live
>Eric Singer = Was never a no-makeup Kiss fan, but I liked the first
Badlands
>album. Plus Eric's a nice guy to me....so I'll say 7
>Charlie Benante = 9 - Charlie was a big influence for me back in the
>mid-80's...I loved the 1st SOD album and the first 3 Anthrax albums...I
also
>respect his writing and think he's a cool guy...We have alot of the same
>interests (same music, films, TV shows, etc...)
>Nicko McBrain = An 8 just for the Piece of Mind and Powerslave albums
>alone...Nicko's also a great guy who's alot of fun to hang out with....
>
>11. Since you were extremely involved in the project, how do feel in
regards
>to Neil Peart's comment that all the bands on the Rush tribute album were
"bar
>bands"?
>Yeah that was fucked up...Especially because Dream Theater, Skid Row, Mr.
Big
>and alot of the other musicians and bands involved on that tribute sell
ALOT
>more records outside of North America than Rush does...Once you go to
Europe or
>South America or Japan or wherever, Rush is not popular at all...and I
figured
>by putting this tribute together, we'd introduce a whole new generation of
kids
>to who one of our big influences was.... I guess Neil's people-skills are
>really lacking...I feel sorry for him with all the personal shit he's been
>through recently, but I lost all respect for him as a person after all the
work
>I put into that CD.... We were just paying tribute and trying to say
thanks,
>but he apparently took it as us trying to make money off Rush's name which
>certainly wasn't the case...
>
>
michael york
7 string bass
>DUUUDES! This is a made up article! It ain't real! Hahahahaha
>
uh, where do you see that? the official dt site and the official
"mike portnoy" site both treat it as something real.
___________________
john turner
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remove the 'x's to email
lord only original music
JC Martin
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> I think that Mike is an idiot for telling Neil Peart to retire. Neil Peart
has
> gotten better over the years, not worse!
He's sacrificed a lot of originality though. I can see what Mike is saying,
even though I disagree with the way he said. Of course, I disagree with
Neil for cutting down The Beatles and The Stones, who were great sounding
units IMO.
BTW, I think Mike is an extremely boring drummer, with little to say on the
instrument. He seems to care more about how he sounds over how the band
itself sounds.
-JC
Atrox
album like Space Dye Vest on Awake. Very intelligent and moody.
Moore left Dream Theater after _Awake_. I don't think it's a
coincidence that _Awake_ is their last album with any
originality and atmosphere.
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>
> Rhammes99 <rham...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > I think that Mike is an idiot for telling Neil Peart to retire. Neil Peart
> has
> > gotten better over the years, not worse!
>
> He's sacrificed a lot of originality though. I can see what Mike is saying,
> even though I disagree with the way he said. Of course, I disagree with
> Neil for cutting down The Beatles and The Stones, who were great sounding
> units IMO.
JC Martin
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I'm not sure exactly, but I thought I remembered someone posting some quotes
here relating to those bands.
-JC
jago...@dcc.uchile.cl.com
: Just another reason not to like DT. :)
: Europe or
:> South America or Japan or wherever, Rush is not popular at all...and I
: figured
I'd be delighted to tell him no one knows about DT in South America, and
that every DT fan I've met here (all four of them :) like Rush better :)
--
Javier Gonzalez Nicolini
Ingenieria Civil en Computacion - Universidad de Chile
jago...@dcc.uchile.cl.com
remove the .com to reply
Dougeman
site and do 20 questions every 2 weeks or so with an artist.
The Professor
later said he regretted saying.
The Professor (I think the above is right)
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sponge...@my-deja.com
Apparently that example was just more proof that metal is dead,
in case you didn't know...
Dream Theater is the kind of band that gives the shitiest Russian
metalists hope of getting a record deal.
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Before you buy.
michael york
Michael York
Erasmus Brown
>
> Neil once called Paul McCartney a "musical whore," something he, I believe,
> later said he regretted saying.
>
7 string bass
i think the actual reference was to the stones, this was at the time
of their "disco" period, so it sorta fit.
did he say that about sir paul too? i didn't hear that, just in ref
to the stones.
The Professor
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> Erasmus Brown <ebr...@monmouth.com> wrote:
>
> >The Professor wrote:
> >>
> >> Neil once called Paul McCartney a "musical whore," something he, I
believe,
> >> later said he regretted saying.
> >>
> >WHy would he regret saying it? He was absolutely correct...
>
> i think the actual reference was to the stones, this was at the time
> of their "disco" period, so it sorta fit.
Shit, it fits the Stones for 35 years....
> did he say that about sir paul too? i didn't hear that, just in ref
> to the stones.
I"m sure I read the story as being about Paul. I may well be wrong, and I
don't have the citation or anything handy.
The Professor (Available Light is one awesome song)
JC Martin
> The Professor wrote:
> >
> > Neil once called Paul McCartney a "musical whore," something he, I
believe,
> > later said he regretted saying.
> >
> WHy would he regret saying it? He was absolutely >correct...
And yet Rush can't write a song without The BEatles having existed.
You may not like The Beatles, but you can't ignore their massive influence
nor their growth as a band in a relatively short amount of time. Side Two
of "Abbey Road" is a *massive acievement.
-JC
Dark
> And yet Rush can't write a song without The BEatles having existed.
If you'd said led zep, I'd have agreed. As it is, I don't.
- Dark
Max C. Webster III
>I"m sure I read the story as being about Paul. I may well be wrong, and I
>don't have the citation or anything handy.
NP said Paul McCartney was a prostitute in a Creem interview. It was posted on
this newsgroup a few months back. Neil was portraid as a total prick, Geddy
refused to talk to Creem, but Alex was painted as an okay guy.
- Max -
=======
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JC Martin
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Even Zep owes something to the Beatles. Sorry, you can disagree, but that
doesn't change music history.
-JC
7 string bass
can't write a song? what, did the beatles invent the concept of a
song? what about all the musicians that influenced the beatles?
elvis, motown, beach boys?
Erasmus Brown
>
> Erasmus Brown <ebr...@monmouth.com> wrote in message
> news:39524988...@monmouth.com...
> > The Professor wrote:
> > >
> > > Neil once called Paul McCartney a "musical whore," something he, I
> believe,
> > > later said he regretted saying.
> > >
> > WHy would he regret saying it? He was absolutely >correct...
>
>
the only group I listened to. SINCE the Beatles McCartney HAS been a
musical whore.
> but you can't ignore their massive influence
> nor their growth as a band in a relatively short amount of time. Side Two
> of "Abbey Road" is a *massive acievement.
I agree!!!
> -JC
John A. and Marianne Sievers
>
> _Dead Air for Radios_ is Kevin Moore's solo album. It's a whole
> album like Space Dye Vest on Awake. Very intelligent and moody.
> Moore left Dream Theater after _Awake_. I don't think it's a
> coincidence that _Awake_ is their last album with any
> originality and atmosphere.
>
> Sound samples here: http://www.chromakey.com
That's his first solo album. The second one just came out this month.
It's called You Go Now. I've only had time to listen to it twice. It's a
bit different than the first one so far. I'll need to give it some more
spins. Scenes From A Memory has originality and atmosphere. At least
more than Falling Into Infinity did. The lyrics have been mostly subpar
since Kevin left.
John A. and Marianne Sievers
> news:20000620033325...@ng-cv1.aol.com...
> > This is from Mike's 20 questions on Metal- Sludge.com
> > Neil Peart = Once again, like Peter Criss - A big whopping 10 back in the
> > day...nobody could've been a bigger influence on me back then....but now he
> > should give it a rest and try to play something new (forget that jazz crap)
>
I'm surprised Portnoy said this considering the musical background he
has. Perhaps he's taking personally those general comments Neil made
about the Magna Carta tribute which I think were directed more at the
label involved than the musicians who participated in it.
I'll admit Neil looked stagnent and bored at times during the Presto
Tour. I think the Buddy Rich Concert in 1991 was a watershed event in
Neil's drumming career and inspired him to reinvent himself. His new
style may have cost him some power, but I think's he's more than made up
for it in subtlety and fluidity. I think he needed the challenge.
Giovanni
"7 string bass" <7str...@bellsouth.netX> schreef in bericht
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> "JC Martin" <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
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> >Dark <da...@direct.ca> wrote in message
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> >>
> >
> >
> >Even Zep owes something to the Beatles. Sorry, you can disagree, but
that
> >doesn't change music history.
> >
> >-JC
>
> can't write a song? what, did the beatles invent the concept of a
> song? what about all the musicians that influenced the beatles?
> elvis, motown, beach boys?
>
>
> ___________________
> john turner
>
Sure, the Beatles took a lot from Motown and a lot of other artists and
musical genres but after just copying them in their early career they
started combining them. The results were very original but still influenced
(Elvis though? Wasn't he just a copycat, quite good but not very original?)
And the Beatles were one of the first popular bands that wrote their own
music, becoming a role-model for most rock and pop-bands. The Beach Boys, I
believe, were pushed to write better music by the popularity and genius of
the Beatles. To my ears they made better music than the Beatles but I don't
think they would have achieved that without the Beatles breathing down their
necks. The earlier Beach Boy hits were just copies of other bands (surf city
and Barbara-Ann were copies of the Jan and Dean originals, even the
harmonies were copied).
Dark
> Even Zep owes something to the Beatles. Sorry, you can disagree, but that
> doesn't change music history.
Zep owes far more to the erm... blues bands(? brain is not functioning.
Almost certain it was blues, not jazz) than to the beatles. Sure, the
beatles were big, and made a large mark on music. So does a bug on a
windshield. Sure, they made some good songs. So do a dozen garage bands
around here that'll never get signed. If not the beatles, there'd have been
someone else. Saying Rush wouldn't be here today without the beatles is
nonsense. Zep still would have been around, just slightly different
sounding. Early Rush would have sounded slightly different as well, but Neil
Peart was probably the biggest influence (aside from the original gestalt
that got alex and geddy together) on early Rush. Now if he was claiming the
beatles as his inspiration, then I'd believe that Rush wouldn't be here
without the beatles. I'm pretty sure his major influences were quite
different, though.
- Dark
7 string bass
>
>
>Sure, the Beatles took a lot from Motown and a lot of other artists and
>musical genres but after just copying them in their early career they
>started combining them. The results were very original but still influenced
>(Elvis though? Wasn't he just a copycat, quite good but not very original?)
>And the Beatles were one of the first popular bands that wrote their own
>music, becoming a role-model for most rock and pop-bands. The Beach Boys, I
>believe, were pushed to write better music by the popularity and genius of
>the Beatles. To my ears they made better music than the Beatles but I don't
>think they would have achieved that without the Beatles breathing down their
>necks. The earlier Beach Boy hits were just copies of other bands (surf city
>and Barbara-Ann were copies of the Jan and Dean originals, even the
>harmonies were copied).
>
>
and jan and dean wrote their own songs, that john and paul were trying
to emulate.
everything you say is all wonderful and true, but... how does rush
become unable to "write a song" without the beatles having existed. i
mean, come on. the concept of popular music wouldn't have just
disappeared if the beatles never came about. they weren't the only
ones writing their own music then.
the who would've still been a band, they would've still wrote songs.
i still want to know how they beatles enabled rush to be able to write
songs, which is what the original poster stated.
Daniel McConnell
I think Neil's major influences as a drummer were Keith Moon and Bill
Bruford. I would think that King Crimson and Yes (esp KC) didn't care
much for the Beatles. The Who were contemporaries of the Beatles and had
their own thing going.
Geddy and ALex were clearly influenced by Zep. Geddy's comments in
Visions make this clear, as does the sound on RUSH.
So does that make Rush a combination of The Who, King Crimson, Yes, and
Led Zeppelin? Well, its an interesting thought. There's something to it.
Dark
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> So does that make Rush a combination of The Who, King Crimson, Yes, and
> Led Zeppelin? Well, its an interesting thought. There's something to it.
I've yet to hear KC, and only have heard a few Who songs, so I can't really
comment on them... as for Yes/LZ, I can definitely hear some similarities in
sound, depending on the album/song.
- Dark
SoumenT
a fan of his for a while, but what does he mean Neil should forget that "jazz
crap" ? Besides taking a jazzier approach to his overall playing (at least in
his physical movements over the drums), everyone knows that Neil was paying
tribute to the late great Buddy Rich, whose work was so far superior to
anything I've ever heard from Portnoy.. "jazz crap" ??? That's especially
ridiculous considering a lot of the cheesy double bass crap I've heard from
Portnoy. Neil HAS "given it a rest" and tried new things. He already did the
ferocious progressive metal type of drumming, back in the 70's and early 80's
(with more feeling that Portnoy). But then he did a fabulous job with more
straight forward poppy stuff. He's incorporated African, Latin, and R&B
influences into his prog rock drumming, and done some truly unique things
(listen to the drum parts in Mystic Rhythms for example) and most recently he
started playing more gracefully, more circular.
Rush Signals
<Aa545.23408$FC6.4...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>:
>BTW, I think Mike is an extremely boring drummer, with little to say on the
>instrument. He seems to care more about how he sounds over how the band
>itself sounds.
>
I don't buy that at all, after watching the Liquid Drum Theater I got a better
understanding of his playing as I did after watching Neil's video after TFE came
out. I think Mike is what Neil would be if he were 20 years younger and had the
same influences as Mike does.
Give the guy a break!
EMarie2112
>Date: 6/27/00 2:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <J1665.96434$WS3.8...@typhoon.we.rr.com>
Except that Mike cannot write lyrics and he is more than a bit conceited.
Ellen (watched Portnoy look at the audience and melodramatically yawn when he
thought the part he was playing was too simple)
JC Martin
> "JC Martin" <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Dark <da...@direct.ca> wrote in message
> >news:u0E45.15975$Xe.3...@brie.direct.ca...
> >> > And yet Rush can't write a song without The BEatles having existed.
> >>
> >> If you'd said led zep, I'd have agreed. As it is, I >don't.
> >
> >
that
> >doesn't change music history.
> >
>
> can't write a song? what, did the beatles invent the concept of a
> song? what about all the musicians that influenced the beatles?
> elvis, motown, beach boys?
I never said there was only one influential band existence. Where did you
read that?
BTW, Elvis didn't write songs and most Motown acts didn't as well.
JC Martin
> JC Martin <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
> > Even Zep owes something to the Beatles. Sorry, you can disagree, but
that
> > doesn't change music history.
>
> Almost certain it was blues, not jazz) than to the beatles. Sure, the
> beatles were big, and made a large mark on music. So does a bug on a
> windshield. Sure, they made some good songs. So do a dozen garage bands
> around here that'll never get signed. If not the beatles, there'd have
been
> someone else. Saying Rush wouldn't be here today without the beatles is
> nonsense. Zep still would have been around, just slightly different
> sounding.
That's my point.
-JC
Dark
> That's my point.
My, you certainly have a linear method of stating what you mean... If going
the opposite way can be considered linerally approaching your goal. (I never
took calc, so I'm not very good at it or the higher maths... anyone want to
tell me if you _can_ reach your point by going the other way? :)
- Dark
Charles Mercieca
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>7 string bass <7str...@bellsouth.netX> wrote in message
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>> "JC Martin" <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Dark <da...@direct.ca> wrote in message
>> >news:u0E45.15975$Xe.3...@brie.direct.ca...
>> >> JC Martin <subs...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:V7B45.28546$FC6.6...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net...
>> >> > And yet Rush can't write a song without The BEatles having existed.
>> >>
>> >> If you'd said led zep, I'd have agreed. As it is, I >don't.
>> >
>> >
>> >Even Zep owes something to the Beatles. Sorry, you can disagree, but
>that
>> >doesn't change music history.
>> >
>> >-JC
>>
>> can't write a song? what, did the beatles invent the concept of a
>> song? what about all the musicians that influenced the beatles?
>> elvis, motown, beach boys?
>
>
>
>I never said there was only one influential band existence. Where did you
>read that?
>
>BTW, Elvis didn't write songs and most Motown acts didn't as well.
>
>
this is exactly what you posted earlier...
--->
And yet Rush can't write a song without The BEatles having existed.
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or did you not say that? so tell me, how does the existence or lack
thereof of the beatles affect whether rush can write a song or not?
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Gotta love all the Neil Peart fanboys who immediately run to his defense at the smallest perceived slight to Pearts talent or general cuddly awesomeness. Anyone who thinks he has gotten better over the years is freakin' deluded but I think that just comes with being a Rush boot licker. It must be really hard to type while on your knees and Neils balls a bangin' off the chin! At one time he was an slightly above average rock drummer. That time passed a long ago. While he is certainly still a solid rock drummer his forays into things like jazz were pitiful (talk about an abysmal lack of swing and groove) Anyway having an opinion is fine. Insulting someone who has one that differs from yours just makes you look silly.
Rob nee Petard
Rob (!Petard) is just sayin'...
Damon Hynes, Cyclone Ranger
>
> Rob (!Petard) is just sayin'...
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williamf...@yahoo.com
> This is from Mike's 20 questions on Metal- Sludge.com
>
> no rhythm and 10 being the man. Peter Criss = Criss 1976 was a 10 and a god to
> me, Criss 1996 gets an 8 for effort, and Criss 2000 is a 3 and should've quit
> while he was ahead
> Joey Kramer = 5 - OK drummer, but I never cared much about Aerosmith
> Vinnie Paul = 9 - Vinnie fucking rocks! Great feet, great power and cool
> grooves...Gotta lose the bandana though.. Rikki Rockett = 2 - Gimme a break!
> Nice guy though...met him in '93
> Tommy Lee = 8 - Rock solid (no pun intended!) Loved the first 2 Motley albums
> at the time ('82ish) and he got me started with double bass back then..
> day...nobody could've been a bigger influence on me back then....but now he
> should give it a rest and try to play something new (forget that jazz crap)
> Eric Singer = Was never a no-makeup Kiss fan, but I liked the first Badlands
> album. Plus Eric's a nice guy to me....so I'll say 7
> Charlie Benante = 9 - Charlie was a big influence for me back in the
> mid-80's...I loved the 1st SOD album and the first 3 Anthrax albums...I also
> respect his writing and think he's a cool guy...We have alot of the same
> interests (same music, films, TV shows, etc...)
> Nicko McBrain = An 8 just for the Piece of Mind and Powerslave albums
> alone...Nicko's also a great guy who's alot of fun to hang out with....
>
> 11. Since you were extremely involved in the project, how do feel in regards
> to Neil Peart's comment that all the bands on the Rush tribute album were "bar
> bands"?
> Yeah that was fucked up...Especially because Dream Theater, Skid Row, Mr. Big
> and alot of the other musicians and bands involved on that tribute sell ALOT
> more records outside of North America than Rush does...Once you go to Europe or
> South America or Japan or wherever, Rush is not popular at all...and I figured
> by putting this tribute together, we'd introduce a whole new generation of kids
> to who one of our big influences was.... I guess Neil's people-skills are
> really lacking...I feel sorry for him with all the personal shit he's been
> through recently, but I lost all respect for him as a person after all the work
> I put into that CD.... We were just paying tribute and trying to say thanks,
> but he apparently took it as us trying to make money off Rush's name which
> certainly wasn't the case...
>
>
> 12. Was Sebastian Bach a pain in the ass to work with on the Rush tribute
> album?
> haha! Actually, I really like Baz and think he's a fucking pisser... But the
> fact of the matter is: most of these stupid tribute albums are all done through
> the mail..meaning none of these line-ups ever even play together! His vocal
> tracks were done months after my drum tracks... On this particular CD though,
> me and Billy Sheehan DID actually do our tracks together which was very cool
> because Billy's fucking awesome and I really enjoyed working with him for those
> couple of days...
>
>
>
> Douglas Maher
>
> "I still think metallica have turned into a bunch of fucking corporate pigs.
> You sold out to your record company and lawyers with this lawsuit. In fact,
> you sold out years ago. Suck my dick." - Nikki Sixx
This thread must be ancient, because the posters were talking about music. Bad music, but music (DT) nonetheless.