The Wall Movie
Shawn Leventhal
questions/comment....first of and most importantly, this movie is awesome
and does an amazing job explaining what everything in the album is
about....BUT, why couldn't Roger have played Pink??? Bob Geldof just didn't
have that great of a voice, and their Roger's songs anyway...it would have
been much better if Roger did it. After all, if Daltrey can be Tommy, then
Roger can be Pink. Second...are the lyrics to Mother changed for the movie?
And has Mother ever been performed live other than when being performed as
part of the Wall? I would love for Roger to do this for this upcoming tour.
Roger sings a lot about being sick as a kid...was Roger sick with some
disease or something? Did he almost die of something? Or is it just the
character. I noticed during the credits that Roger and Dave were listed as
producers, but never Rick or Nick. Why was this? Surely they all had the
same amount of money at this point, right?
LotaSonata
>I just finished watching the wall
<snip>
>why couldn't Roger have played Pink???
He was going to, but then realized he couldn't act and probably shouldn't be
the one actually in the film. (Not that the Wall demanded great acting, so I
would agree with you too bad he didn't star!) I wonder how much of it had to
do with losing the anonymity they all cherished back then.
>Second...are the lyrics to Mother changed for the movie?
"Ooh, ah, mother am I really dying?" I believe those were the original lyrics
printed on the inside of the album but never sung.
>And has Mother ever been performed live other than when being performed as
>part of the Wall?
Yes. Rog has performed this on solo tours.
>Roger sings a lot about being sick as a kid...was Roger sick with some
>disease or something? Did he almost die of something?
Good question, I'd like to know!
Maikel Aarts
Shawn Leventhal heeft geschreven in bericht ...
>I just finished watching the wall movie for about the 10th time. A few
>questions/comment....
<snip>
>I noticed during the credits that Roger and Dave were listed as
>producers, but never Rick or Nick. Why was this? Surely they all had the
>same amount of money at this point, right?
>
>
Perhaps because Rick and Nick weren't really member of the band anymore at
that time.
Maikel
SFeigh
<< because Rick and Nick weren't really member of the band anymore at
that time. >>
Nick was still a PInk Floyd member in good standing. Only Rick had been
dismissed for lack of meaningful contribution to the band during the recording
of THE WALL.
Ironically, because of his dismissal as an official member of the band, Rick
was placed on a wage during the performances of THE WALL, therefore, was the
only band member to make money during the "tour"
As I wrote the above paragraph, I had this "vision" of what it must have been
like in Richards shoes. He was told he couldn't be in the band any longer,
BUT, he was hired to play keyboards with his former bandmates during the
shows....must have really been an emotional tightrope he was walking at the
time......
scoot
Bleech_
<sml...@stern.nyu.edu> spewed forth:
>BUT, why couldn't Roger have played Pink???
Because his screen tests were, by all accounts, horrifyingly bad
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>>I noticed during the credits that Roger and Dave were listed as
>>producers, but never Rick or Nick. Why was this? Surely they all had the
>>same amount of money at this point, right?
>>
>>
>Perhaps because Rick and Nick weren't really member of the band anymore at
>that time.
You're half-right, at least
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>
> On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 03:57:45 -0400, "Shawn Leventhal"
> <sml...@stern.nyu.edu> spewed forth:
>
> >BUT, why couldn't Roger have played Pink???
>
> Because his screen tests were, by all accounts, horrifyingly bad
Not to mention the fact that if Rog had gotten the part, we woulda had to
watch HIM in his underwear, and I don't think my mind could take that.
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>and does an amazing job explaining what everything in the album is
if you have seen live in berlin you wouldnt be asking this question. he tried.
he's just a really bad actor.
Shawn Leventhal
better than Geldof. Geldofs screams were NOTHING compared to Rogers, and
his singing sucked. There really wasn't that much acting involved, Roger
could have handled it.
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StncIdcrzy
because he had started up on a bad coke habit and Roger wasn't fond of that. I
was told that is what the line is about in, Nobody Home. I've got a grand
piano to prop up my mortal remains. He wrote that directed towards Wright and
what he was doing to himself.
I may be wrong but I feel this to be true til told otherwise.
Jon G. Kade
<ttp...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>Mmm, I still don't understand why Roger kicked him, of all people.
Roger kicked him out because Rick was becoming a complete druggie and
didn't contribute anything to the band. HTH.
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Earl Leighton
"Jon G. Kade" wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 00:36:19 +1200, "TT PARTNERSHIP"
> <ttp...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
>
> >Mmm, I still don't understand why Roger kicked him, of all people.
>
> Roger kicked him out because Rick was becoming a complete druggie and
> didn't contribute anything to the band. HTH.
I wonder how much it was "Roger" that kicked him out, or if it was a
group
effort like I have read. I know there are interviews from right after The
Wall
era in which Dave conceded that they all wanted Rick out, but of course
now
the story is recalled a little differently. It also very well may be that
Rick's
reportedly heavy cocaine use may have left them with no other options.
Bradley Kaplan
TT PARTNERSHIP wrote:
> Mmm, I still don't understand why Roger kicked him, of all people. I mean,
> the keyboards have always been pretty important in Floyd. I mean, the whole
> start and finish of WYWH depends on Wright, for example. And his work on TDB
> is incredible. Even Broken China is pretty impressive (though a little flat
> overall). I actually think he's as much a muso as Gilmour, but I'd say more
> of an intellectual.
> Isn't he great on Inside Out?
>
> ~
Well, when you are trying very hard to do something and someone else is
interferring with you because they are constantly high on drugs you get rid of
that person
mark johnson
friend, Syd Barrett, and what drugs did to him over the years, therefore
I sincerely believe that they simply were not going to put through that
hell again.
Through out The Wall, there are dozens of references to Syd's erie past;
playing on the train tracks, picking up a dying diseased rodent,
the crushed, powdery pills that he put in his hair
that would actually melt during a show, (a.k.a.
Comfortably Numb), and various childhood illnesses.
PA Floydian MJ
TT PARTNERSHIP
the keyboards have always been pretty important in Floyd. I mean, the whole
start and finish of WYWH depends on Wright, for example. And his work on TDB
is incredible. Even Broken China is pretty impressive (though a little flat
overall). I actually think he's as much a muso as Gilmour, but I'd say more
of an intellectual.
Isn't he great on Inside Out?
~Mike T
TT PARTNERSHIP
So it all makes sense now :P
~Mike
Jon G. Kade
<kaosR...@poboxes.com> wrote:
>I wonder how much it was "Roger" that kicked him out, or if it was a
>group effort like I have read. I know there are interviews from right after The
>Wall era in which Dave conceded that they all wanted Rick out, but of course
>now the story is recalled a little differently. It also very well may be that
>Rick's reportedly heavy cocaine use may have left them with no other options.
Yes. I should have made that clear. Dave and Roger kicked Rick out,
and I'm sure Nick agreed or at least gave his permission.
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Jon G. Kade
(mark johnson) wrote:
>Let us not forget, both Nick & Roger saw the demise of their long-time
He's not dead.
>friend, Syd Barrett, and what drugs did to him over the years, therefore
Syd was already a borderline schizophrenic. The drugs just pushed him
over the edge.
>Through out The Wall, there are dozens of references to Syd's erie past;
Eerie. Erie is a lake.
>playing on the train tracks,
How do you know it's not Roger?
>picking up a dying diseased rodent,
Ditto.
>the crushed, powdery pills that he put in his hair
>that would actually melt during a show, (a.k.a.
>Comfortably Numb)
No, he mixed psycobalin with Brylcreem. The Brylcreem melted.
> and various childhood illnesses.
That WAS Roger.
Warren
magazine, he wanted the whole band to wear the faceless masks of "pink".
David Gilmour was very sick as a child, almost died, remember dave wrote
part of Comfortably Numb!
As to who is PINK we all know that SYD is pink, the founder, the creator,
and musical genouis, etc...
As to the drug thing, well who was smoking all the hash (the scene w/pink at
the piano buring that BIG CHUNK "rember me from the registry office")??? And
as I recall David also did a lot of COKE, he had a mason jar behind the
speakers on stage with a straw in it! though the last is rumor, it tells of
a lot about them. At least none of them EVER got busted!! not like hawkwind
(lol)
Can anyone out there find the hammers in almost EVERY scene?
Bob Purcell
> and musical genouis, etc...
I thought the character was molded mostly after Waters and the events in
his life.
> Can anyone out there find the hammers in almost EVERY scene?
EVERY scene? I guess I'll have to go watch it again. Damn! ;-)
Just today, I've heard people say the sickly kid was Syd, Waters, and
Gilmour. Does anyone know for sure, and actually have proof of it?
Just to clear the air and for the record more than worrying about who's
right.
-Bob
Bleech_
forth:
>David Gilmour was very sick as a child, almost died, remember dave wrote
>part of Comfortably Numb!
David Gilmour did not write a single line of lyric for CN. HTH.
>As to the drug thing, well who was smoking all the hash (the scene w/pink at
>the piano buring that BIG CHUNK "rember me from the registry office")??? And
>as I recall David also did a lot of COKE, he had a mason jar behind the
>speakers on stage with a straw in it!
You're just making it up as you go along, aren't you ?
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forth:
>Watch the movie, look at what is on top of the piano, what is he burning??
What he's burning on top of the piano has nothing to do with your
allegation that Gilmour was a cokehead, fuckwit.
>> >As to the drug thing, well who was smoking all the hash (the scene w/pink
>at
>> >the piano buring that BIG CHUNK "rember me from the registry office")???
>And
>> >as I recall David also did a lot of COKE, he had a mason jar behind the
>> >speakers on stage with a straw in it!
>>
>> You're just making it up as you go along, aren't you ?
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Jon G. Kade
>David Gilmour was very sick as a child, almost died, remember dave wrote
>part of Comfortably Numb!
That was Roger. Not Syd, not Dave. Roger.
>As to who is PINK we all know that SYD is pink, the founder, the creator,
>and musical genouis, etc...
"Pink" is rather a mix of Syd and Roger, with dashes of Rick.
>As to the drug thing, well who was smoking all the hash (the scene w/pink at
>the piano buring that BIG CHUNK "rember me from the registry office")??? And
>as I recall David also did a lot of COKE, he had a mason jar behind the
>speakers on stage with a straw in it!
Just out of curiosity, do you know that Rick, the keyboard (and piano)
player, WAS a cokehead?
>Can anyone out there find the hammers in almost EVERY scene?
No. I can find them in the scenes in which they are present, though.
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worked at the colliseum during the wall shows, I would tend to believe him.
though you may not want to.
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Bleech_
forth:
>the tale of the coke behind the speakers is from a friend of mine who has
>worked at the colliseum during the wall shows, I would tend to believe him.
>
>though you may not want to.
How silly of us not to believe that world-famous musical expert "your
friend".
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Jon G. Kade
>the tale of the coke behind the speakers is from a friend of mine who has
>worked at the colliseum during the wall shows, I would tend to believe him.
>
>though you may not want to.
Well, we had an eyewitness account that the Animals and Wall tours
were gathering places for Neo-Nazis. Should we believe that as well?
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Kjell Ove Hattrem
>I do remember his poor acting during Berlin, but it still would have been
>better than Geldof. Geldofs screams were NOTHING compared to Rogers, and
>his singing sucked. There really wasn't that much acting involved, Roger
>could have handled it.
According to Geldof's autobiography, he deliberately fucked up the
first takes of "In the Flesh?" before doing a decent recording.
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